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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: STEMO on 13 January 2020, 12:47:06
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I've asked this question before, without receiving a satisfactory answer. How does a dpf stop particles being blown out of the exhaust when, surely, they must do it when self cleaning? Turns out they don't:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7879833/New-diesel-cars-exceed-particle-limits-EU-environmental-group.html
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I've asked this question before, without receiving a satisfactory answer. How does a dpf stop particles being blown out of the exhaust when, surely, they must do it when self cleaning? Turns out they don't:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7879833/New-diesel-cars-exceed-particle-limits-EU-environmental-group.html
What you have to consider is that particulates are combustible (but have not been combusted in the cylinders).
So when the DPF regens, it gets very hot (circa 600 degrees C) and this combusts them, they can only pass through the DPF once burnt
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I've asked this question before, without receiving a satisfactory answer. How does a dpf stop particles being blown out of the exhaust when, surely, they must do it when self cleaning? Turns out they don't:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7879833/New-diesel-cars-exceed-particle-limits-EU-environmental-group.html
What you have to consider is that particulates are combustible (but have not been combusted in the cylinders).
So when the DPF regens, it gets very hot (circa 600 degrees C) and this combusts them, they can only pass through the DPF once burnt
I understand that, Mark, but the side product of that combustion still must be pretty unpleasant.
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I've asked this question before, without receiving a satisfactory answer. How does a dpf stop particles being blown out of the exhaust when, surely, they must do it when self cleaning? Turns out they don't:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7879833/New-diesel-cars-exceed-particle-limits-EU-environmental-group.html
What you have to consider is that particulates are combustible (but have not been combusted in the cylinders).
So when the DPF regens, it gets very hot (circa 600 degrees C) and this combusts them, they can only pass through the DPF once burnt
I understand that, Mark, but the side product of that combustion still must be pretty unpleasant.
Mainly CO2 and water, not nearly as unpleasant as particulates and NOx
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I've asked this question before, without receiving a satisfactory answer. How does a dpf stop particles being blown out of the exhaust when, surely, they must do it when self cleaning? Turns out they don't:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7879833/New-diesel-cars-exceed-particle-limits-EU-environmental-group.html
What you have to consider is that particulates are combustible (but have not been combusted in the cylinders).
So when the DPF regens, it gets very hot (circa 600 degrees C) and this combusts them, they can only pass through the DPF once burnt
I understand that, Mark, but the side product of that combustion still must be pretty unpleasant.
Mainly CO2 and water, not nearly as unpleasant as particulates and NOx
These reports are wrong, then? If so, they should be challenged by the industry because, as far as I can see, a rush back to petrol would see CO2 levels go through the roof.
It's no good suggesting to people like me that an EV would be the way to go, because I've nowhere to plug one in. Hybrids are a waste of time, in my opinion. The battery has to be charged by a petrol engine while driving along so, by working to both propel the vehicle and charge the battery, they are emitting more CO2 than by just driving. You don't get the battery energy for free.
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As for the regenerative braking and charging going downhill, that wouldn't put enough charge in any hybrid I was driving. Nor Lord Opti, living in flat earth country.
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
Most regen without any fuss. I know when my 2.0 astra with the fiat engine is doing it because the revs are at 950 instead of 850 at idle. I also know if I've switched off before the regen is complete because the cooling fans have to bring down the temperature of the dpf when you stop, and they go into hyperdrive ;D
The wife's astra, with the GM 1.6 whisper engine, gives no indication whatsoever, and the fans never kick in when she switches off. It was the same with her Renault 1.5dci.
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If you interrupt the regen cycle too often, a symbol lights on the dash and you get a message telling you to keep driving.
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Far too complicated for the average commuter. As Nick W said, it's no use putting symbols, lights and messages on the dash, because people don't understand them, so there are scared of them, so they wouldn't sell many diesels.
And car salespeople will just quickly gloss over it.
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
I think in the future EV's will have a solar skin like a wrap, that will be suitably advanced to charge the battery even in a grim place on a grim day. :y
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
I think in the future EV's will have a solar skin like a wrap, that will be suitably advanced to charge the battery even in a grim place on a grim day. :y
Do the maths.....
The typical UK sunlight energy density is somewhere between 20W and 200W per square metre depending on time of year.
https://www.withouthotair.com/c6/page_38.shtml
A car is what? 2m wide and 4m long? So 8 sqM. Therefore the available energy hitting the car is somewhere in the 160W to 1.6kW range. At midday. On a sunny day.
GCSE question : Write your name in block capitals at the top of the paper...
O Level question...Modern Tesla cars use batteries in the 60-120KWh range. How long is it going to charge a 60KWh Tesla battery on a sunny noontime day in June.
AO/A level question...- it's only sunny 32% of the time in the UK (apparently). And sunlight distribution is basically raised Cosine distributed about noon. How long to reach 80% charge on a 120kwh battery in March?
Degree question : Where's the JCR/Student Union Bar?
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
I think in the future EV's will have a solar skin like a wrap, that will be suitably advanced to charge the battery even in a grim place on a grim day. :y
Do the maths.....
The typical UK sunlight energy density is somewhere between 20W and 200W per square metre depending on time of year.
https://www.withouthotair.com/c6/page_38.shtml
A car is what? 2m wide and 4m long? So 8 sqM. Therefore the available energy hitting the car is somewhere in the 160W to 1.6kW range. At midday. On a sunny day.
GCSE question : Write your name in block capitals at the top of the paper...
O Level question...Modern Tesla cars use batteries in the 60-120KWh range. How long is it going to charge a 60KWh Tesla battery on a sunny noontime day in June.
AO/A level question...- it's only sunny 32% of the time in the UK (apparently). And sunlight distribution is basically raised Cosine distributed about noon. How long to reach 80% charge on a 120kwh battery in March?
Degree question : Where's the JCR/Student Union Bar?
I said 'in the future'. I didn't say how far into the future. ::) :P
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
I think in the future EV's will have a solar skin like a wrap, that will be suitably advanced to charge the battery even in a grim place on a grim day. :y
Do the maths.....
The typical UK sunlight energy density is somewhere between 20W and 200W per square metre depending on time of year.
https://www.withouthotair.com/c6/page_38.shtml
A car is what? 2m wide and 4m long? So 8 sqM. Therefore the available energy hitting the car is somewhere in the 160W to 1.6kW range. At midday. On a sunny day.
GCSE question : Write your name in block capitals at the top of the paper...
O Level question...Modern Tesla cars use batteries in the 60-120KWh range. How long is it going to charge a 60KWh Tesla battery on a sunny noontime day in June.
AO/A level question...- it's only sunny 32% of the time in the UK (apparently). And sunlight distribution is basically raised Cosine distributed about noon. How long to reach 80% charge on a 120kwh battery in March?
Degree question : Where's the JCR/Student Union Bar?
I said 'in the future'. I didn't say how far into the future. ::) :P
Far enough into the future that it really won't matter any more :)
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
Think of the trees. They need to breath as well. :)
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
Think of the trees. They need to breath as well. :)
We're chopping all the trees down for oak furniture land, and burning what's left.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
Think of the trees. They need to breath as well. :)
We're chopping all the trees down for oak furniture land, and burning what's left.
Didn't you take any notice during the election when they all said they were going to plant lots of trees? ??? ::)
And think of all those poor burnt trees Down Under! :o They'll need plenty of quality CO2 to recover. :y
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
Think of the trees. They need to breath as well. :)
We're chopping all the trees down for oak furniture land, and burning what's left.
Didn't you take any notice during the election when they all said they were going to plant lots of trees? ??? ::)
And think of all those poor burnt trees Down Under! :o They'll need plenty of quality CO2 to recover. :y
There's no room to plant any trees because they also promised to build three billion affordable homes.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
Think of the trees. They need to breath as well. :)
We're chopping all the trees down for oak furniture land, and burning what's left.
Didn't you take any notice during the election when they all said they were going to plant lots of trees? ??? ::)
And think of all those poor burnt trees Down Under! :o They'll need plenty of quality CO2 to recover. :y
There's no room to plant any trees because they also promised to build three billion affordable homes.
How about three billion affordable tree houses? :)
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Good political compromise. Will these tree houses have solar panels? I guess the waste water would just be piped direct to the roots.
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Good political compromise. Will these tree houses have solar panels? I guess the waste water would just be piped direct to the roots.
Apparently solar power is no good (see above) so we could explore the idea of genetically engineering the trees to harvest wind power. :y
Another advantage of tree houses is that you're not going to get flooded out. :)
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Good political compromise. Will these tree houses have solar panels? I guess the waste water would just be piped direct to the roots.
so what gets the sunlight ? the tree ,or the solar array :-\
and waste water needs treating, best done as now ,on a large scale ,
rainwater harvesting for toilet flushing,summer irrigation etc could be implemented though
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All that is just difficulty stating.
All those problems could be addressed with some ingenuity. No difficulty with car parking or charging your ev.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Diseasels emit CO2 as well. :)
Nowhere near as much as petrol. That's why our government, in its infinite wisdom, tried to make everyone switch.
Think of the trees. They need to breath as well. :)
We're chopping all the trees down for oak furniture land, and burning what's left.
Didn't you take any notice during the election when they all said they were going to plant lots of trees? ??? ::)
And think of all those poor burnt trees Down Under! :o They'll need plenty of quality CO2 to recover. :y
There's no room to plant any trees because they also promised to build three billion affordable homes.
That's OK, they've stopped building bungalows so there's more space for sky scrapers with a thousand flats in each one ;)
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Won’t be long before you ( your car ) are banned from city centres. Mind you by then you will have an electric car.( charged wirelessly)
Back on the subject of regens, do some diesels do them without the driver noticing?
I think in the future EV's will have a solar skin like a wrap, that will be suitably advanced to charge the battery even in a grim place on a grim day. :y
Do the maths.....
The typical UK sunlight energy density is somewhere between 20W and 200W per square metre depending on time of year.
https://www.withouthotair.com/c6/page_38.shtml
A car is what? 2m wide and 4m long? So 8 sqM. Therefore the available energy hitting the car is somewhere in the 160W to 1.6kW range. At midday. On a sunny day.
GCSE question : Write your name in block capitals at the top of the paper...
O Level question...Modern Tesla cars use batteries in the 60-120KWh range. How long is it going to charge a 60KWh Tesla battery on a sunny noontime day in June.
AO/A level question...- it's only sunny 32% of the time in the UK (apparently). And sunlight distribution is basically raised Cosine distributed about noon. How long to reach 80% charge on a 120kwh battery in March?
Degree question : Where's the JCR/Student Union Bar?
I said 'in the future'. I didn't say how far into the future. ::) :P
It should work for a short period in the distance future, just after our star explodes into a red giant.
Until then, solar can and never will be able to :y
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
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Until then, solar can and never will be able to :y
I get a chuckle out of eevBlog Dave's debunking of "solar roadways" .. although I can only watch so much of him in one go before the accent and the idioms get a bit grating ("That's a bit how-you-doin!") - unlike AvE, whose idioms never get boring.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
This ^^^^
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Right. If that's the case, I can drive around Barnsley safe in the knowledge that I'm doing little harm. Unlike that Opti fella..... :-X
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As I understand it, even a modern diesel is not suitable for mainly short journeys, ie under 4 miles.
Makes you wonder how the mummy buses cope with only doing the school run twice a day.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
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Derv sales are still falling. :)
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
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Derv sales are still falling. :)
This is good news for those of us prepared to ignore the crap. Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
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Derv sales are still falling. :)
This is good news for those of us prepared to ignore the crap. Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
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Derv sales are still falling. :)
This is good news for those of us prepared to ignore the crap. Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
Asian lad in corner shop tells me that the 63 is not 6.3 litres any more. It's a 4 litre twin turbo.
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All of this is, by and large, moot. People (me) will only adopt eco friendly cars* when we are forced to. Why? Well 1) It costs money 2) Most people realise that, even if this country turned zero emissions overnight, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to the world as a whole.
My diesel emits particulates which harm people on busy roads in densely populated areas, I don't live in such a place. A switch to petrol would mean emitting CO2, which kills the whole planet, apparently.
IMO, hybrids are not eco friendly cars.
Except it doesn't......thanks to the DPF.
The bigger issue was NOx but, modern diesels with selective catalytic reaction plus AdBlue, output less NOx than petrols.
There are even a few new diesels (including one of ours), where the NOx levels are not even measurable.
Blame the press and politicians who are jumping on a band wagon they don't understand
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Derv sales are still falling. :)
This is good news for those of us prepared to ignore the crap. Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
Asian lad in corner shop tells me that the 63 is not 6.3 litres any more. It's a 4 litre twin turbo.
Citizen Khan is correct.
Originally a 6.3 litre N/A V8..........which became a 5.5 litre turbo V8.........now a paltry 4 litre V8, but with more power and torque.
That's progress for you. :)
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Don't know if he's had his exhaust doctored but, when he puts his foot down, it's sounds like the end of the world.
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One thing Merc do better than BMW - the standard exhaust sounds like armageddon when you nail it on their "hot" cars.
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I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
That should be a suitable replacement for the Sicknum M'lud! :) and due to the rarity factor they should offer you top dollar for P/X. :y
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I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
That should be a suitable replacement for the Sicknum M'lud! :) and due to the rarity factor they should offer you top dollar for P/X. :y
It would be a replacement for the elderly but still mighty Signum. Not sure an E class has the same 'WOW' factor though. ::)
In white they remind me of a wedding car or Taxi.
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One thing Merc do better than BMW - the standard exhaust sounds like armageddon when you nail it on their "hot" cars.
If I got one as a doggie transporter, I think I'd be cleaning dog shit up after every journey ;D
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I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
That should be a suitable replacement for the Sicknum M'lud! :) and due to the rarity factor they should offer you top dollar for P/X. :y
It would be a replacement for the elderly but still mighty Signum. Not sure an E class has the same 'WOW' factor though. ::)
In white they remind me of a wedding car or Taxi.
Would you gift Mrs Opti the old jag?
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I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
That should be a suitable replacement for the Sicknum M'lud! :) and due to the rarity factor they should offer you top dollar for P/X. :y
It would be a replacement for the elderly but still mighty Signum. Not sure an E class has the same 'WOW' factor though. ::)
In white they remind me of a wedding car or Taxi.
Would you gift Mrs Opti the old jag?
Ha ha is that a joke Uncle Stemo? :o ;D
Poor Mrs Opti will have to make do with her 03 Corsa as usual! ::) ;)
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03 Corsa?
Nah.....much newer than that, it wears a 53 plate. :)
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Just 29000 miles. :y
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I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
That should be a suitable replacement for the Sicknum M'lud! :) and due to the rarity factor they should offer you top dollar for P/X. :y
It would be a replacement for the elderly but still mighty Signum. Not sure an E class has the same 'WOW' factor though. ::)
In white they remind me of a wedding car or Taxi.
Would you gift Mrs Opti the old jag?
Ha ha is that a joke Uncle Stemo? :o ;D
Poor Mrs Opti will have to make do with her 03 Corsa as usual! ::) ;)
He may let her drive it on a wet day when it's behaving like Bambi on ice. One way of getting the money for the totalled jag, the life insurance for the totalled wife and, finally, the chance to get into sister in laws knickers. Win win. :-\
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I'm trying to save the planet with petrol. :)
Just been on the phone with Mercedes Lincoln who want to sell me an E63 estate in black. Only done 2200 miles.
I'm tempted. They are going to get back to me with a price. Car has been with them for 'some time' so probably want shot of it. Four wheel drive. :y
That should be a suitable replacement for the Sicknum M'lud! :) and due to the rarity factor they should offer you top dollar for P/X. :y
It would be a replacement for the elderly but still mighty Signum. Not sure an E class has the same 'WOW' factor though. ::)
In white they remind me of a wedding car or Taxi.
Would you gift Mrs Opti the old jag?
Ha ha is that a joke Uncle Stemo? :o ;D
Poor Mrs Opti will have to make do with her 03 Corsa as usual! ::) ;)
He may let her drive it on a wet day when it's behaving like Bambi on ice. One way of getting the money for the totalled jag, the life insurance for the totalled wife and, finally, the chance to get into sister in laws knickers. Win win. :-\
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I give you my word as a gentleman I would never act in such an underhand manner. :)
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I give you my word as a gentleman I would never act in such an underhand manner. :)
I'm (almost) sure you wouldn't, Opti, but when the trouser snake rises, it can affect your better judgement.
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I'd imagine that Mrs Opti would smell a rat the instant he suggested she take the Jaaag for a spin! ;D
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I'd imagine that Mrs Opti would smell a rat the instant he suggested she take the Jaaag for a spin! ;D
She'd smell more than that when she lost the back end. ;D
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I'd imagine that Mrs Opti would smell a rat the instant he suggested she take the Jaaag for a spin! ;D
She'd smell more than that when she lost the back end. ;D
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Whatever happened to the concept of hydrogen-run cars? Surely we are many moons away from being able to have electric cars for everyone.
Hydrogen (from what I’ve read) is renewable with the only thing being emitted being water.
As said only what I’ve read but at face value looks the most promising.
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Whatever happened to the concept of hydrogen-run cars? Surely we are many moons away from being able to have electric cars for everyone.
Hydrogen (from what I’ve read) is renewable with the only thing being emitted being water.
As said only what I’ve read but at face value looks the most promising.
And where do you suppose the Hydrogen is going to come from? Ok Hydrogen and Helium are the most common elements in the universe, but on Earth it's all tied up in other compounds - like water, or trees, or coal. To extract the Hydrogen requires energy - much more energy than you can get back by re-burning the extracted Hydrogen. Perpetual motion machines don't exist. It's much easier to extract energy (burn) from stuff like natural gas, oil, or coal because it comes out of the ground basically ready to go.
So at best you are moving the pollution from the point of fuel consumption (cars driving around cities) to the point of energy generation (power stations). If you can generate enough clean energy (solar, wind, hydro, thermal) to split enough water into H2 and O then fine it may work. But we're a long way from that at the moment.
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Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
mine wasn't cheap! ::)
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Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
mine wasn't cheap! ::)
It will be in a few years when the government has completed their war against dirty diesels.. :P :(
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Diesels are also getting cheaper. :y
mine wasn't cheap! ::)
Not cheap?
Even when sold in seventies BL brown.☺
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Whatever happened to the concept of hydrogen-run cars? Surely we are many moons away from being able to have electric cars for everyone.
Hydrogen (from what I’ve read) is renewable with the only thing being emitted being water.
As said only what I’ve read but at face value looks the most promising.
And where do you suppose the Hydrogen is going to come from? Ok Hydrogen and Helium are the most common elements in the universe, but on Earth it's all tied up in other compounds - like water, or trees, or coal. To extract the Hydrogen requires energy - much more energy than you can get back by re-burning the extracted Hydrogen. Perpetual motion machines don't exist. It's much easier to extract energy (burn) from stuff like natural gas, oil, or coal because it comes out of the ground basically ready to go.
So at best you are moving the pollution from the point of fuel consumption (cars driving around cities) to the point of energy generation (power stations). If you can generate enough clean energy (solar, wind, hydro, thermal) to split enough water into H2 and O then fine it may work. But we're a long way from that at the moment.
and on top of all that, who would be daft enough to pay for the infrastructure to provide such an inefficient process? Refining oil into fuel is just as poor, but that grew slowly and provides a whole range of other useful chemicals.
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There was a piece on the news last year/year before? where Honda[I think it was]had built a few Hydrogen powered cars for experimental purposes but were unwilling to commit to full production without the infrastructure being in place to fuel them.Of course the infrastructure suppliers wouldn't invest heavily in this until there was more demand from car owners buying them,so a bit of chicken and egg.It's easier and cheaper to install charging points for EVs as they're tapping into an already widespread network.
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Japan has 96 public filling stations and Germany 60.
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Japan has 96 public filling stations and Germany 60.
And the UK has...... ? ???
None? ;D
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Japan has 96 public filling stations and Germany 60.
And the UK has...... ? ???
None? ;D
They obviously require investment, i.e. money. We don't have any money, because it's all spent on the NHS. We even have to ask the public to pay for the clapper to be reinstated in Big Ben, so it can proclaim our leaving of the EU on January 31st. Quite an embarrassing start to our new prosperity.
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They obviously require investment, i.e. money. We don't have any money, because it's all spent on the NHS. We even have to ask the public to pay for the clapper to be reinstated in Big Ben, so it can proclaim our leaving of the EU on January 31st. Quite an embarrassing start to our new prosperity.
Big Ben doesn't have a clapper.
It's struck by hammer operated off the clock mechanism, which is why it will cost £1/2 million to get it all working again. Which makes spending money on HS2 look like a good investment.......... :)
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They obviously require investment, i.e. money. We don't have any money, because it's all spent on the NHS. We even have to ask the public to pay for the clapper to be reinstated in Big Ben, so it can proclaim our leaving of the EU on January 31st. Quite an embarrassing start to our new prosperity.
Big Ben doesn't have a clapper.
It's struck by hammer operated off the clock mechanism, which is why it will cost £1/2 million to get it all working again. Which makes spending money on HS2 look like a good investment.......... :)
Half a million? A working lunch for a committee of MP's.
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Not to mention the approx. £30 billion we have paid into the EU since the time we voted to leave it, but they used every trick in the book to stop it happening.. Half a million quid is a drop in the ocean.
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They obviously require investment, i.e. money. We don't have any money, because it's all spent on the NHS. We even have to ask the public to pay for the clapper to be reinstated in Big Ben, so it can proclaim our leaving of the EU on January 31st. Quite an embarrassing start to our new prosperity.
Big Ben doesn't have a clapper.
It's struck by hammer operated off the clock mechanism, which is why it will cost £1/2 million to get it all working again. Which makes spending money on HS2 look like a good investment.......... :)
For half that I'll nip up there with my sledgy and do the bongs! :y
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They obviously require investment, i.e. money. We don't have any money, because it's all spent on the NHS. We even have to ask the public to pay for the clapper to be reinstated in Big Ben, so it can proclaim our leaving of the EU on January 31st. Quite an embarrassing start to our new prosperity.
Big Ben doesn't have a clapper.
It's struck by hammer operated off the clock mechanism, which is why it will cost £1/2 million to get it all working again. Which makes spending money on HS2 look like a good investment.......... :)
For half that I'll nip up there with my sledgy and do the bongs! :y
learn all four Westminster chimes, check you can count to 12, buy some good ear defenders and make sure you've got your heart medication, as you will feel more than hear them. That would be even more true if they were rung rather than struck.
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They obviously require investment, i.e. money. We don't have any money, because it's all spent on the NHS. We even have to ask the public to pay for the clapper to be reinstated in Big Ben, so it can proclaim our leaving of the EU on January 31st. Quite an embarrassing start to our new prosperity.
Big Ben doesn't have a clapper.
It's struck by hammer operated off the clock mechanism, which is why it will cost £1/2 million to get it all working again. Which makes spending money on HS2 look like a good investment.......... :)
For half that I'll nip up there with my sledgy and do the bongs! :y
learn all four Westminster chimes, check you can count to 12, buy some good ear defenders and make sure you've got your heart medication, as you will feel more than hear them. That would be even more true if they were rung rather than struck.
I suspect that my 10lb sledge 🔨 would produce more of a bing than a bong! :)
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Japan has 96 public filling stations and Germany 60.
Unfortunately Hydrogen power is only zero emission at the car as the actual fuel it self, is created from natural gas (today) and is quite an inefficient process
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Surely the same thing can be said of electric vehicles?
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Surely the same thing can be said of electric vehicles?
I believe that it's called irony... ;D
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Surely the same thing can be said of electric vehicles?
No, no! The energy you use for an EV comes from thin air. It's magic, you see. Ask any vegan.
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Surely the same thing can be said of electric vehicles?
No, no! The energy you use for an EV comes from thin air. It's magic, you see. Ask any vegan.
In much the same way that no CO2 is expended in the extraction, transportation, refining or storage of Petrol/Diesel prior to it getting the the filling station forecourt. The fuel faeries are most efficient like that. :y
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Surely the same thing can be said of electric vehicles?
No, no! The energy you use for an EV comes from thin air. It's magic, you see. Ask any vegan.
In much the same way that no CO2 is expended in the extraction, transportation, refining or storage of Petrol/Diesel prior to it getting the the filling station forecourt. The fuel faeries are most efficient like that. :y
No one is denying the carbon footprint that petrol/ diesel produces, but greenies would have people think that alternative fuels have virtually no impact.
And what's a faery? ;D
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There is no vehicle solution which is zero emission, all we have today is the ability to move the emissions to locations away from the tailpipe.
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Yes even cyclists increase their carbon footprint when they start puffing out all that CO2 going up hills. :P ;D
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No one is denying the carbon footprint that petrol/ diesel produces, but greenies would have people think that alternative fuels have virtually no impact.
No, but it's misleading to compare tailpipe emissions to ev emissions from the point of generation all the way to the point of use as that isn't like for like. You will often see 'anti greenies' comparing the manufacturers' CO2 figures for a diesel car (which are not even realistically achievable in the real world) to the generation emissions for an ev. Which is nonsense.
And what's a faery? ;D
Since you asked so nicely (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy) :y
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No one is denying the carbon footprint that petrol/ diesel produces, but greenies would have people think that alternative fuels have virtually no impact.
No, but it's misleading to compare tailpipe emissions to ev emissions from the point of generation all the way to the point of use as that isn't like for like. You will often see 'anti greenies' comparing the manufacturers' CO2 figures for a diesel car (which are not even realistically achievable in the real world) to the generation emissions for an ev. Which is nonsense.
And what's a faery? ;D
Since you asked so nicely (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy) :y
I see. It's a spelling mistake then ;D
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No one is denying the carbon footprint that petrol/ diesel produces, but greenies would have people think that alternative fuels have virtually no impact.
No, but it's misleading to compare tailpipe emissions to ev emissions from the point of generation all the way to the point of use as that isn't like for like. You will often see 'anti greenies' comparing the manufacturers' CO2 figures for a diesel car (which are not even realistically achievable in the real world) to the generation emissions for an ev. Which is nonsense.
And what's a faery? ;D
Since you asked so nicely (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy) :y
I see. It's a spelling mistake then ;D
Only in certain areas though. ;)
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Surely the same thing can be said of electric vehicles?
No, no! The energy you use for an EV comes from thin air. It's magic, you see. Ask any vegan.
Yep, in the same way that living on beans and pulses cuts your greenhouse gas emissions. ;D