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[tooleater]

Hi gents, as a lot of know I had an unfortunate meeting with a central reservation barrier in the old Mv6 recently, although was I adamant about purchasing a another motor, partly due to 21 Peugeot Partner company van, with allowable private use, I now find my eyes straying once again to the Vx range. to be honest chaps the insignia saloon never held any appeal for me, even in Vrx clothing the body shape just doesn't tick any boxes .But the estate, something about it that brings the whole look of the thing altogether, like Baileys and Ice. I have zero experience of soot suckers, never even sat in an Insignia and at at lean 6ft 5in will I struggle for comfort. What are its gremlins or horror stories. Obviously appreciate any info provided, so as not to be wasting anyone's time, Im looking at least going to look at an Vx line Estate, 2 owners, Full service history.. 71k. I suppose I could call up Dr Serek, but he's a busy bunny these days. And rather than Dr google I think real world good or bad reviews isthe way to go
Cheers

[Rangie]

Mate of mine has one a saloon though, had it several years with no issues whatsoever he is also a big fella and never heard him complain, it's a diesel and extremely good on fuel.

[tooleater]

Thanks for the reply buddy, Stage 2. make call find out if still available and its local, big step up from Mig though 

[STEMO]

Is it the newer 1.6 diesel or the 2.0?

[tooleater]

2.0 Stemo, will view tomorrow

[STEMO]

2.0 Stemo, will view tomorrow

Same as my astra. As I've posted before, apart from the odd glow plug, I had no problems in around 100,000 miles.

[STEMO]

This thread:

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=150475.0

[TheBoy]

The 6 speed manual is what finishes off most.  If you catch the bearing wear early enough, it's a £400 repair.  If you don't, it's a replacement box, which most places won't do, as all the 2nd hand boxes are semi shagged.

Plenty of info out there how to prove if wear is back on the gearbox - just search for 'M32 gearbox bearing' or similar

[tooleater]

 OH S--t,   all that glitters is not gold, but thank you anyway, I admit omega mindset is hard to change, but I hardly used mine and seen it as cheap motoring, and certainly it would appear the manual box it came with didn't have bearings made from cheese, but it was taking on the look of a cheese grater.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd never ask about a car I was think of buying here, as you inevitably get loads of replies like the clutch is made of chocolate and bound to fail at 87500 miles or the hugimaflips are a bad design or the thingamebobs tend to overheat and fail!    and I'd never buy anything!   

The Vauxhall Insignia is a run of the mill family car like the Mondeo. There are millions of them going around and yes they do break down occasionally, but usually because of poor maintenance. If it's in good condition and looks like it's been looked after and has good history then what can possibly go wrong?   

Having said that there are 'friday' cars and some like my Mondeo have feelings!    Everytime I say I'm going to sell it, something goes wrong with it!   

[TheBoy]

I'd never ask about a car I was think of buying here, as you inevitably get loads of replies like

Most "common issues" you find on most models are not so common enough that you are very likely to be impacted...

...however, I do mention the M32 box because when we were looking at Zaf-B diesels last year, every single one had a failing box.  Not helped by the transporter that took our Zaf-A, aka The Battlebus, away was full of 10 year old Insignia 2l CDTi's all with knackered boxes.

It wouldn't stop me buying one, but I'd go into it at least knowing what to check for before buying, and accepting its probably worthwhile to get the bearings replaced

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd never ask about a car I was think of buying here, as you inevitably get loads of replies like

Most "common issues" you find on most models are not so common enough that you are very likely to be impacted...

...however, I do mention the M32 box because when we were looking at Zaf-B diesels last year, every single one had a failing box.  Not helped by the transporter that took our Zaf-A, aka The Battlebus, away was full of 10 year old Insignia 2l CDTi's all with knackered boxes.

It wouldn't stop me buying one, but I'd go into it at least knowing what to check for before buying, and accepting its probably worthwhile to get the bearings replaced

Settle down TB I wasn't having a dig at you.      Honest! 

[tooleater]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305060902294?hash=item47070bf596:g:ZpoAAOSwWJlk0MUo

[Kevin Wood]

One of my colleagues has an Insignia the same age and mileage as my jag.  I reckon he has a major "standing by the roadside"  breakdown about every 6 weeks. Vauxhakls clearly aren't what they were.

[Rangie]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305060902294?hash=item47070bf596:g:ZpoAAOSwWJlk0MUo

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Looks a nice tidy vehicle.

[STEMO]

One of my colleagues has an Insignia the same age and mileage as my jag.  I reckon he has a major "standing by the roadside"  breakdown about every 6 weeks. Vauxhakls clearly aren't what they were.

Neither Vauxhall nor Jaguar are high in the rankings

Reliability by brand for cars up to five years old
Rank   Brand   Score
1.   Lexus    98.4%
2.   Toyota   97.2%
=3.   Mini    97.0%
=3.   Mitsubishi   97.0%
=5.   Hyundai   95.8%
=5.   Suzuki   95.8%
7.   Kia   95.5%
8.   Mazda   95.2%
9.   MG   95.0%
10.   Dacia   94.4%
11.   Citroen    94.1%
12.   Honda   93.9%
13.   Skoda   93.8%
14.   Subaru   93.7%
15.   Seat   93.6%
16.   BMW   93.4%
17.   Volvo   92.9%
18.   Renault   92.5%
=19.   Porsche   91.6%
=19.   Tesla   91.6%
21.   Audi   91.1%
22.   Volkswagen    90.2%
=23.   Mercedes   89.5%
=23.   Vauxhall   89.5%
25.   Nissan    89.3%
26.   Jaguar   88.7%
27.   Ford   87.8%
28.   Peugeot   87.4%
29.   Alfa Romeo   87.3%
30.   Fiat   86.4%
31.   Land Rover   81.4%
32.   Jeep   77.0%

That's from 2022, btw

[STEMO]

Having said that, my last 5 cars have been Vauxhalls (Meriva, Astra H, Zafira B, Astra J, Astra K) and I've never had a major problem with any of them. Omega well before those five, which I did have problems with. Obviously never owned a Jag, so can't comment.

[Rangie]

Had 7 from that list over the last 10 years, and haven't broken down in any of them ,I just get them serviced properly & don't " tinker" with them myself.

[STEMO]

Had 7 from that list over the last 10 years, and haven't broken down in any of them ,I just get them serviced properly & don't " tinker" with them myself.

Same here, Mick. I don't want to risk breaking a fingernail 

[Rangie]

Had 7 from that list over the last 10 years, and haven't broken down in any of them ,I just get them serviced properly & don't " tinker" with them myself.

Same here, Mick. I don't want to risk breaking a fingernail 

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Heaven forbid..😂

[biggriffin]

Gearbox
https://www.wgmotorworks.co.uk/transmission/m32-gearbox/

[ronnyd]

What's the auto box like in the Insignificant?

[Andy B]

I've had my ML now for over 4 years & other than yearly servicing & tyres, I've not had to spend a penny on it .... 

[wingman]

I had my auto 2.0 CDti Insignia Elite saloon for 5 years with no problem apart from one faulty glowplug. Comfortable to drive, good economy, but not exciting.

[Marks DTM Calib]

The 6 speed manual is what finishes off most.  If you catch the bearing wear early enough, it's a £400 repair.  If you don't, it's a replacement box, which most places won't do, as all the 2nd hand boxes are semi shagged.

Plenty of info out there how to prove if wear is back on the gearbox - just search for 'M32 gearbox bearing' or similar

Insignia did not use the M32 (which was fully fixed as of around 2012), it had the F40 as the 2.0 CDTi had more then 320Nm of torque.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Lexus / Toyota is to be expected really. They have long had a reputation for reliability. Bit Mini in joint third ? ! Do me a favour. 

[Kevin Wood]

Lexus / Toyota is to be expected really. They have long had a reputation for reliability. Bit Mini in joint third ? ! Do me a favour. 

I can't decide if those tables reflect the reliability of the cars or the expectations of those who typically purchase them!

[Doctor Gollum]

What's the auto box like in the Insignificant?

Can't be any worse than the one in the Vectrum

[TheBoy]

The 6 speed manual is what finishes off most.  If you catch the bearing wear early enough, it's a £400 repair.  If you don't, it's a replacement box, which most places won't do, as all the 2nd hand boxes are semi shagged.

Plenty of info out there how to prove if wear is back on the gearbox - just search for 'M32 gearbox bearing' or similar

Insignia did not use the M32 (which was fully fixed as of around 2012), it had the F40 as the 2.0 CDTi had more then 320Nm of torque.

Well, if that transportr was anything to go by, the F40 aint much coop either

The M32 fix with larger (IIRC) bearings isn't a permanent fix, it just prolongs the inevitable.  I looked at loads of ZAF-Bs with the newer designed gearbox ends, and all had shagged boxes.  That said, our resident used car seller did tell me I was being ambitious with a £4k budget for a 100k, 10yr old car , so was probably looking at the tripe end of stuff.

Hence increasing our budget a bit, and actually getting something decent and more what she wanted....   ...but not stretch to her dream car of an Evoque

[Marks DTM Calib]

The 6 speed manual is what finishes off most.  If you catch the bearing wear early enough, it's a £400 repair.  If you don't, it's a replacement box, which most places won't do, as all the 2nd hand boxes are semi shagged.

Plenty of info out there how to prove if wear is back on the gearbox - just search for 'M32 gearbox bearing' or similar

Insignia did not use the M32 (which was fully fixed as of around 2012), it had the F40 as the 2.0 CDTi had more then 320Nm of torque.

Well, if that transportr was anything to go by, the F40 aint much coop either

The M32 fix with larger (IIRC) bearings isn't a permanent fix, it just prolongs the inevitable.  I looked at loads of ZAF-Bs with the newer designed gearbox ends, and all had shagged boxes.  That said, our resident used car seller did tell me I was being ambitious with a £4k budget for a 100k, 10yr old car , so was probably looking at the tripe end of stuff.

Hence increasing our budget a bit, and actually getting something decent and more what she wanted....   ...but not stretch to her dream car of an Evoque

There were no UK bound Zaf Bs ever built with the updated M32.

The fix (and it certainly does work) was a larger set of bearings, a new end plate to take them, improved bearing oiling and cooling.

I will send the apprentice around and she can try his Evoque, he has just had to order a new one and is a bit put out that he had to settle for the HSE as there were now Autobiographies available. 

[STEMO]

The 6 speed manual is what finishes off most.  If you catch the bearing wear early enough, it's a £400 repair.  If you don't, it's a replacement box, which most places won't do, as all the 2nd hand boxes are semi shagged.

Plenty of info out there how to prove if wear is back on the gearbox - just search for 'M32 gearbox bearing' or similar

Insignia did not use the M32 (which was fully fixed as of around 2012), it had the F40 as the 2.0 CDTi had more then 320Nm of torque.

Well, if that transportr was anything to go by, the F40 aint much coop either

The M32 fix with larger (IIRC) bearings isn't a permanent fix, it just prolongs the inevitable.  I looked at loads of ZAF-Bs with the newer designed gearbox ends, and all had shagged boxes.  That said, our resident used car seller did tell me I was being ambitious with a £4k budget for a 100k, 10yr old car , so was probably looking at the tripe end of stuff.

Hence increasing our budget a bit, and actually getting something decent and more what she wanted....   ...but not stretch to her dream car of an Evoque

There were no UK bound Zaf Bs ever built with the updated M32.

The fix (and it certainly does work) was a larger set of bearings, a new end plate to take them, improved bearing oiling and cooling.

I will send the apprentice around and she can try his Evoque, he has just had to order a new one and is a bit put out that he had to settle for the HSE as there were now Autobiographies available. 

Poor lad. Surely that will affect his mental health? 

[YZ250]

One of my colleagues has an Insignia the same age and mileage as my jag.  I reckon he has a major "standing by the roadside"  breakdown about every 6 weeks. Vauxhakls clearly aren't what they were.

My brother-in-law bought a brand new Jag XF around 2014/2015’ish and within three years of minimal mileage he’d got shot of it due to reliability issues. That stupid pop up automatic gear selector that they used in that era kept failing to pop up, so no gear could be selected. Also, the auto closing dash vents, that close automatically when you turn the ignition off, failed to close on some vents because of a cheap plastic cog that operates it split. He vowed he’d never own a Jag ever again.
At the same time that he purchased the new Jag he also bought a brand new Ford Transit Kombi Custom Sport. He still has the Transit so that tells you something. 

Oh, and a quick Google tells me that a million other XF’s suffered the same fate. 

[Viral_Jim]

So far (with many appendages clamped to the nearest wooden object), 'er Evoque hasn't been bad for an 8yr old/80k car. It had its original batteries replaced courtesy of the supplying dealer (possibly due to being stood for a while awaiting sale) and I've just changed the gearbox oil alongside the oil and filter service it was due- fixing the jerky gear change.

Beyond the above service items, the only thing that's actually gone wrong with it was a dpf error and some limp mode nonsense caused by a split hose. Annoying, but a simple inexpensive DIY fix.   

[TheBoy]

There were no UK bound Zaf Bs ever built with the updated M32.

The fix (and it certainly does work) was a larger set of bearings, a new end plate to take them, improved bearing oiling and cooling.

If that is the fix that has the obvious castings for the oil feed to the bearings, visible looking in by the NSF wheel, it was on all Zaf-Bs from about 2011, and some from 2010 registered ones.

I will send the apprentice around and she can try his Evoque, he has just had to order a new one and is a bit put out that he had to settle for the HSE as there were now Autobiographies available. 

Yeah, that could be expensive if he did pop round .  Poor DTM Junior, "only" an HSE

[Keith ABS]

 I have heard of many cases of the 2.0 diesesal Insignias being scrapped because of oil pump failure

[STEMO]

I have heard of many cases of the 2.0 diesesal Insignias being scrapped because of oil pump failure

That's because stupid people take no notice of the flickering oil light at around 100,000 miles. The oil pump and pickup used to be one unit, but newer ones are separate, for some reason. The seal between the pump and pickup perishes and lets in air. I had mine done by a chap in Keighley before it had a chance to kill the engine.
Every car/engine/gearbox has horror stories on the interweb, but these are usually the exception rather than the rule. Anyone looking at this forum over the last ten years or so would never consider owning an omega, but lots of people get them over 200,000 with the correct maintenance.