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Title: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 11:48:10
General election is now on the cards for December. So we can all go out and vote, return a hung parliament, and start fighting over Brexit again after Christmas. Yay!   ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Mister Rog on 29 October 2019, 11:52:41

He ran out of excuses. I see Richard Nobrainburgon is saying that Labour will press for 16yr olds and EU nationals to be able to vote. If true this is surely a delaying tactic, it would take a huge amount of work.

I'm now waiting for my facebook page to be flooded with Pro Corbyn crap   :-\
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 October 2019, 12:10:51
General election is now on the cards for December. So we can all go out and vote, return a hung parliament, and start fighting over Brexit again after Christmas. Yay!   ;D

I'd be more happy if the choice was between excellent and exceptional.

Sadly the choice is between dumb and dumber. :-\
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 12:48:37

He ran out of excuses. I see Richard Nobrainburgon is saying that Labour will press for 16yr olds and EU nationals to be able to vote. If true this is surely a delaying tactic, it would take a huge amount of work.

I'm now waiting for my facebook page to be flooded with Pro Corbyn crap   :-\
This cropped up last week and the electoral commission suggested it could take around six months to get everyone registered (not that I think EU citizens should be able to vote in UK elections). Labour seemed to take this on board and said, this morning, that they would vote for an election anyway.
I would say 'exciting times', but I can't get very enthusiastic about it at all.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: RossPhim on 29 October 2019, 12:53:51
Its a real shame David Edward Sutch isn't still kicking around, and was able to field a candidate in nearly all constituencies.
We have a choice to show all these fools currently in parliament, exactly what we think of them.
Sack the lot of them and start again, I say!

It couldn't really get much worse than the present lot....could it??
 ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Bigron on 29 October 2019, 13:02:50
Surely we have our full complement of Monster Raving Loonies already?  ;D

Ron.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 October 2019, 13:11:35
Surely we have our full complement of Monster Raving Loonies already?  ;D

Ron.

Comrade Corbyn?
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: redelitev6 on 29 October 2019, 13:20:03
We'll probably see the Lib dems score big time as they will be seen as the least offensive option  :-\
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 October 2019, 14:11:00
We'll probably see the Lib dems score big time as they will be seen as the least offensive option  :-\
They're just as culpable as the rest. Guy Fawkes had the right idea.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 29 October 2019, 14:11:32
Last poll I saw a couple of days ago, gave Cons a 96 majority, with Lib Undemocratics with 15 seats :)

But we all know what polls are like !!!
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 October 2019, 14:15:49
Last poll I saw a couple of days ago, gave Cons a 96 majority, with Lib Undemocratics with 15 seats :)

But we all know what polls are like !!!
Indeed, and reelecting the current bunch is as bad as not voting... They can't do anything now, so why would another five years help?

Brexit Party FTW, then, in about 18 months, we can have a genuine election based on actual, mutually beneficial policy.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 14:35:17
We'll probably see the Lib dems score big time as they will be seen as the least offensive option  :-\
How can revoking Art 50 be seen as the least offensive? I'd put them up against a wall and shoot them at the top of my offensive list.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 October 2019, 18:52:52
Electing the British parliament is something to be done by the British people. I cant see any coherent argument for allowing people who aren't British to elect the British parliament.
I can think of many good reasons to raise the voting age, but none at all to lower it.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 29 October 2019, 19:03:06
Electing the British parliament is something to be done by the British people. I cant see any coherent argument for allowing people who aren't British to elect the British parliament.
I can think of many good reasons to raise the voting age, but none at all to lower it.

Spot on :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 29 October 2019, 19:11:56
Electing the British parliament is something to be done by the British people. I cant see any coherent argument for allowing people who aren't British to elect the British parliament.
I can think of many good reasons to raise the voting age, but none at all to lower it.


I suppose the argument in favour of 16 year olds voting is if they work and pay tax they have a right to representation.

Not sure how that works for the lazy f*ckers who don't have a job before they are 30. :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 19:14:05
Electing the British parliament is something to be done by the British people. I cant see any coherent argument for allowing people who aren't British to elect the British parliament.
I can think of many good reasons to raise the voting age, but none at all to lower it.


I suppose the argument in favour of 16 year olds voting is if they work and pay tax they have a right to representation.

Not sure how that works for the lazy f*ckers who don't have a job before they are 30. :)
How many 16 year olds do you know that fall into that bracket? Let me guess......none? They should be in full time education or on an apprenticeship until at least 18.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 October 2019, 19:15:20
Not many 16 year olds go out to work these days. My system would be, you get the right to vote after having paid five consecutive years income tax.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 19:16:51
No worries anyway. From the bbc website:

Efforts by opposition MPs to lower the voting age to 16 and allow EU nationals to take part have failed.
Proposed changes to the PM's early election bill to extend voting rights were not selected for debate by the Deputy Speaker despite enjoying cross-party support.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Varche on 29 October 2019, 19:49:23
Not many 16 year olds go out to work these days. My system would be, you get the right to vote after having paid five consecutive years income tax.

Five years. How long for a resident foreign national to qualify to vote? Five years, fifteen years, never? They ( we) pay taxes, use services.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 October 2019, 19:52:32
I wouldn't have minded if 16 and 17 year olds were given the vote.  :)

But if they are considered old enough to vote, then they should be considered old enough for the full range of rights and responsibilities enjoyed by adults as well, like driving, buying alcohol, joining the armed forces and serving on the front line etc etc.  :y
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 20:11:37
The bill to hold the election on the 9th December has been defeated by 20 votes. MP's are out, voting for 12th and, as the SNP and Lib Dem's have remained seated(abstained), it looks as if it will go through easily.

So December 12th it is.



Edit: Sorry SNP and DUP abstaining.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 29 October 2019, 20:26:04
Rubber stamped, so get your long johns out.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 29 October 2019, 20:36:29
Got to vote but none of the t#@ts deserve a vote IMHO however Nigel Farage will get my vote.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 29 October 2019, 21:10:28
As long as Nigel Farage and Co don't screw it up and split the Cons vote. :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Rangie on 29 October 2019, 21:12:24
Corbyn & that stupid bitch Abbott need to be shipped of to an island surrounded by sharks that is sinking slowly, makes my blood boil every time I see them.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 29 October 2019, 21:14:11
Cons don’t deserve a single vote
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Olympia5776 on 29 October 2019, 22:14:42
Electing the British parliament is something to be done by the British people. I cant see any coherent argument for allowing people who aren't British to elect the British parliament.
I can think of many good reasons to raise the voting age, but none at all to lower it.

What a bizzarre , but in reality , truly desperate suggestion for Labour /Corbyn to make .
I cannot vote in any national election here in ireland , I can vote for MEP's and local elections , but not the former  and afaik that same situation applies in the other eu member states too.
Any remaining veneer of having any sense has been stripped from them .

Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Entwood on 29 October 2019, 22:23:54
Electing the British parliament is something to be done by the British people. I cant see any coherent argument for allowing people who aren't British to elect the British parliament.
I can think of many good reasons to raise the voting age, but none at all to lower it.

What a bizzarre , but in reality , truly desperate suggestion for Labour /Corbyn to make .
I cannot vote in any national election here in ireland , I can vote for MEP's and local elections , but not the former  and afaik that same situation applies in the other eu member states too.
Any remaining veneer of having any sense has been stripped from them .

Actually, from his point of view it makes total sense ..... he is a closet "remainer" and will no doubt push his party in that direction... so why not push to let EU nationals vote, as they will vote for the party offering the most serious "remain" option.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 29 October 2019, 22:38:28
Corbyn & that stupid bitch Abbott need to be shipped of to an island surrounded by sharks that is sinking slowly, makes my blood boil every time I see them.
.   

                  Me too, but I want them shipped out to the desert and buried up to their necks along with that Jess whatever and Ian blackford that Bercow and that little Tvat Rory Stewart, ...ahh fk it burn the lot of the fkers I could go on all night!!
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Mister Rog on 29 October 2019, 23:08:56
We'll probably see the Lib dems score big time as they will be seen as the least offensive option  :-\
They're just as culpable as the rest. Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

Gunpowder is a bit old fashioned. I've been in touch with Macron to see if he has some spare Exocets I can buy.

Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 October 2019, 23:33:14
I think the major players in Labour have talked Corbyn into going for the election because they know they will lose so they may as well get it over with, dump him and then start rebuilding their party. Problem is McDonnell is waiting in the wings and Momentum along with Len McLuskey are still steering the ship and holding the purse strings. Expect a civil war in Labour after the election.
Predictions are dangerous these days, but Im going to stick my neck out and predict an overall Tory majority.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 30 October 2019, 00:21:51
Can’t see that with Farage around
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 October 2019, 01:13:52
Tory/Brexit coalition perhaps...
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: aaronjb on 30 October 2019, 07:57:17
I can understand why Corbyn wants 16 year olds to vote - the young people I know think Stalin was a genius, and that Communism is the global ideal.. so he'd be a shoo-in on that basis.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: VXL V6 on 30 October 2019, 08:22:02
So, in this public vote known as an election, will they actually let the public vote and be bound by the public's democratic decision or will they ignore the majority vote and start voting between themselves? Just asking as I'm not sure if that's the done thing now!
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 30 October 2019, 09:21:48
Fat chance, it will go on until they get their way,  unless Farage can muster up a big support.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 October 2019, 09:34:05
Tory/Brexit coalition perhaps...

The perfect scenario, but I cant see it happening.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 October 2019, 09:49:50
No, Boris thinks he can crush the Brexit Party.  :-\

He might be right, as I think the cracks have started to appear with some BP MEP's support for Boris's version of the WA&PD.  ::)

Will the BP go the same way as UKIP?  ???
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 30 October 2019, 11:23:21
Tory/Brexit coalition perhaps...
Or, if no overall majority, Labour, SNP, Lib Dem coalition.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 October 2019, 11:33:00
Tory/Brexit coalition perhaps...
Or, if no overall majority, Labour, SNP, Lib Dem coalition.

Maybe Jo Swinson will be our next PM!  ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 30 October 2019, 11:36:02
That’s not funny >:(
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 30 October 2019, 11:38:39
That’s not funny >:(

Its distinctly not funny !!!
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 30 October 2019, 12:34:33
Moved
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 October 2019, 15:49:13
Tory/Brexit coalition perhaps...
Or, if no overall majority, Labour, SNP, Lib Dem coalition.


That would be time to call in the Generals.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: BazaJT on 30 October 2019, 17:06:15
If there's no majority how about pistols at dawn outside the houses of parliament? Last person standing wins
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 October 2019, 17:14:20
Tory/Brexit coalition perhaps...
Or, if no overall majority, Labour, SNP, Lib Dem coalition.


That would be time to call in the Generals.

We could probably rent some from Zimbabwe cheaply enough!  ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: BazaJT on 30 October 2019, 17:23:42
Saw one woman on TV this morning who said she wouldn't be voting and when asked why not said she had 3 kids and Christmas was looming so she wouldn't have time to vote :-X
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 October 2019, 19:14:28
The wee snotty bastids should still be in school... How much time does she need?
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 30 October 2019, 20:16:58
Saw one woman on TV this morning who said she wouldn't be voting and when asked why not said she had 3 kids and Christmas was looming so she wouldn't have time to vote :-X

And people in their millions have died and suffered so she has a right to vote  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Raeturbo on 30 October 2019, 20:17:40
Too true.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 October 2019, 21:14:29
Dozens of the useless specimens announcing they aren't standing again, before their constituents kick them out. The swamp seems to be draining itself.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 October 2019, 21:26:23
Dozens of the useless specimens announcing they aren't standing again, before their constituents kick them out. The swamp seems to be draining itself.

I do hope that the good people of Beaconsfield kick out Dominic Grief!  :y

He's standing as an independent now, but I read elsewhere that the Limp Dums aren't fielding a candidate against him.  :-\
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 11:28:11
Beaconsfield was always strong Tory. A majority of the properties around there are in the high 7/8 figure bracket. I hope he gets kicked into touch. Bastid :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 31 October 2019, 11:32:20
Beaconsfield was always strong Tory. A majority of the properties around there are in the high 7/8 figure bracket. I hope he gets kicked into touch. Bastid :)
The only part of Beaconsfield I'm familiar with is the magistrates court. Me and the hundreds of other poor bastids who get caught speeding on the motorways surrounding that place.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 11:37:47
After living 3 miles from Beaconsfield for 70 years, I am proud to say I don't even know where the Magistrates Court is. Could be in the Town Hall in New Beaconsfield, or, next to the Saracens Head in Old Beaconsfield. Other than that I would not have a clue. Enlighten me !! :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 31 October 2019, 11:42:00
After living 3 miles from Beaconsfield for 70 years, I am proud to say I don't even know where the Magistrates Court is. Could be in the Town Hall in New Beaconsfield, or, next to the Saracens Head in Old Beaconsfield. Other than that I would not have a clue. Enlighten me !! :)
No idea, Tony, I'm going back to the eighties, when I was living and working in London. I got the chiltern slug, as Jaime calls it, up there and asked for directions. The court might not even exist any more, as most driving transgressions are dealt with by post nowadays, and I think the vast majority of cases heard there were motoring related.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 31 October 2019, 11:43:49
This help?

https://www.beaconsfieldhistory.org.uk/content/beaconsfield-history/places/the-police-station-and-magistrates-court
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 11:46:14
Probably right, Steve....since they built the new Court in High Wycombe, I assume it all goes there. The Slug stops in New Beaconsfield, so if you did not have far to walk, the Town Hall come whatever is next to the station.
Us local carrot crunchers did not have time to get into trouble, as most of our time was spent tilling the land for the likes of Grieve and others.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 31 October 2019, 11:48:36
Probably right, Steve....since they built the new Court in High Wycombe, I assume it all goes there. The Slug stops in New Beaconsfield, so if you did not have far to walk, the Town Hall come whatever is next to the station.
Us local carrot crunchers did not have time to get into trouble, as most of our time was spent tilling the land for the likes of Grieve and others.
I remember it was quite tranquil and picturesque, a nice place to be punished  ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 11:49:36
Good linky mate....confirms my thought...next to the Saracens Head. Sadly had to go there to register Mum's death a couple of years ago. :(
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 11:55:33
I believe Grieve has property and land here, also in France. Think he has some frog blood, or his mother lives there. Hence EU payments.
Changing the subject, my friend who lives near you in a village called Man-Ches-ter went on a Lib Dem site yesterday, and just asked the polite question..'How much money does Jo Swinson's husband get in payments from the EU each year'. He said he was vilified, sworn at and goodness knows what else. Touched a nerve. !!!! :)
Notice how bias reporters never ask the question. Or same to Heseltine !!!
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 October 2019, 11:57:54
Beaconsfield is well posh!  8)

James changed my cambelt in a parking space on Beaconsfield high street outside a wine & cigar shop, and the owner kept looking out of the window at two blokes stripping down an old car outside his shop in the rain.  ::)

I think he must have been impressed with the speed and competence that James carried out the job!  :y  Bastid could have made us a cuppa though.  :-\  ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 31 October 2019, 11:59:15
The class system is alive and well, it never went away. No point in getting uptight about it, Tony, or you'll be out side the town hall with you Corbyn placard.  ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 12:00:22
I most certainly would.....if the placard read...'Corbyn dead'.....lol :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: STEMO on 31 October 2019, 12:00:55
Anyway, I'm off to have a beef dripping buttie for me dinner.  ;D
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 12:02:01
OMG !!!! :)
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 October 2019, 13:30:56
Beaconsfield was always strong Tory. A majority of the properties around there are in the high 7/8 figure bracket. I hope he gets kicked into touch. Bastid :)

Iirc his local party voted no confidence in him months ago. He just chose to ignore it. I doubt he will be standing in his seat as a Tory again.
Title: Re: Corbyn caves in
Post by: Terbs on 31 October 2019, 17:24:30
Yes...he was to be de-selected....but Theresa May stopped it :)