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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Diamond Black Geezer on 24 October 2019, 13:28:11
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As per title, really! Obviously there's the one which shall not speak its name, I seem to hear decent things about Autel, but that's not just one model of course. I would have to work a 1996 Omega V6 and probably a 2007 Volvo C30, ideally be a bit 'futureproofed' for anything else that may appear in the fleet in the coming years, I like to buy good once, not rubbish three times. :)
Thoughts? Experience? Ta in advance as always :y
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I have an Autel - don't know which model. Its seems quite impressive to me, and is certainly capable of providing more info than I can understand. Although that's not saying much tbh.
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;D
One vote for Autel, then. :)
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Also have an Autel .. old one, very old, but still works. They do a range from £30 to £3000..
One thought though - the 1996 Omega, does that actually support OBD2? I think beyond a certain age, support gets spotty.. TB or DG will doubtless know.
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I'm pretty sure mine's OBDII whatever compliant, it may be earliest models (with the IR central locking) don't but that may be rubbish.
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Also have an Autel .. old one, very old, but still works. They do a range from £30 to £3000..
One thought though - the 1996 Omega, does that actually support OBD2? I think beyond a certain age, support gets spotty.. TB or DG will doubtless know.
Was thinking that...
Does Tech 1 work on that age, and if so how much?
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It all depends on what you want to do with said reader. If you just want to read and turn off the light, then anything cheap and cheerful will work.
Look out for that mentions both KWP2000 and CANBus. The Omega will be KWP, the Lolvo will be CAN.
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Good point - if you want to speak to anything other than the engine ECU (esp. in the Ovlov) you'll need something more advanced; either manufacturer specific (Tech1/2 for VX, something else for Ovlov) or much more expensive than a £5-100 device.. or, if you're lucky, an app on your phone plus a generic adapter will do it (like Carly for BMW/MINI/VWAG)
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iCarsoft do a range of manufacture specific readers that will turn SRS lights off and the better/ more expensive will do a it more eg cycle ABS pumps. They also do a more generic reader.
I have the i980 Merc/Smart version that good enough for me though I wish I'd bought the next one up
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iCarsoft do a range of manufacture specific readers that will turn SRS lights off and the better/ more expensive will do a it more eg cycle ABS pumps. They also do a more generic reader.
I have the i980 Merc/Smart version that good enough for me though I wish I'd bought the next one up
I hadn't heard of them .. this one looks a bargain: https://www.icarsoft.com/Product/s-373-iCarsoft_C990_Elite.html (shows as $0.10 for me) ;D
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Hmmm, interesting...
Thought the Omega was the 'first'(ish) of the Tech2 cars - Carltons and Cavs etc were all Tech1.
I think I'd like to see live data, code reading just to save mis-counting eml light flashes, which I seem to manage to do an alarming about (thank God Britain didn't have to rely on me on one end of a Morse Code in The War) but to be perfectly honest I'm not sure what else I'd need/want.
I don't want to just get something totally beyond me (perhaps a postit note, I hear you cry) but equally nothing so basic that I suddently find it's really hardly better than just doing the paperclip test. Equally I don't want to actually get something I can screw my motor up with! I assume that only the likes of suspiciously-cheap chinese knockoff stuff can do that?
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And will look at this icarsoft jobbie :y
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Hmmm, interesting...
Thought the Omega was the 'first'(ish) of the Tech2 cars - Carltons and Cavs etc were all Tech1.
I think I'd like to see live data, code reading just to save mis-counting eml light flashes, which I seem to manage to do an alarming about (thank God Britain didn't have to rely on me on one end of a Morse Code in The War) but to be perfectly honest I'm not sure what else I'd need/want.
I don't want to just get something totally beyond me (perhaps a postit note, I hear you cry) but equally nothing so basic that I suddently find it's really hardly better than just doing the paperclip test. Equally I don't want to actually get something I can screw my motor up with! I assume that only the likes of suspiciously-cheap chinese knockoff stuff can do that?
you're going to struggle, as your car is too old to be OBD compliant which is what those readers rely on.
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Had an iCarsoft 980? For the 5 series, will do most things from a day to day point of view, gave it to my bro when I sold it and works on his '62 3 series.
The tablet one has more features, but decent make specific or multi make stuff is £500-1,500 depending on features...
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Hmm... so that one is too new/specific for newer models,
But the above statement that I need a KWP2000 compliant one is still right?
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I have one of these (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323869610339) and I bought it because you can look at things like the ABS, whereas the cheapies only look at engine codes as I understand it. :)
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Ta :y
Keep them coming! :)
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I use one of these to read my codes. In fact, this exact one:
(https://i.ibb.co/4WYXfCY/3092425-D-A092-49-D3-8-A9-D-20-BA0-A09-DC78.png) (https://ibb.co/gyPf7QP)
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that won't fit in the glovebox ::)
I use the "code reader that can not be talked about" :-X
works a treat on all Vauxhalls including KWP2000 and CAN
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I use one of these to read my codes. In fact, this exact one:
(https://i.ibb.co/4WYXfCY/3092425-D-A092-49-D3-8-A9-D-20-BA0-A09-DC78.png) (https://ibb.co/gyPf7QP)
Do they do teeth-sucking and wallet-lightening as well? ;D
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Apparently partial to the odd donut, so can't be all bad :D
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Look closely and you can see Stemo redoing the roofing felt :y
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Look closely and you can see Stemo removing the roofing felt :y
Fixed.
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Look closely and you can see Stemo removing the roofing felt :y
Fixed.
:D Good point, theres me seeing the good in people again!
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Look closely and you can see Stemo removing the roofing lead :y
Fixed.
Fixed again. Uncle STEMO wouldn't get out of bed for felt these days! :)
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Look closely and you can see Stemo removing the roofing lead :y
Fixed.
Fixed again. Uncle STEMO wouldn't get out of bed for felt these days! :)
I wouldn't be so sure, there's a recession don't you know...
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Look closely and you can see Stemo removing the roofing lead :y
Fixed.
Fixed again. Uncle STEMO wouldn't get out of bed for felt these days! :)
I wouldn't be so sure, there's a recession don't you know...
Only according to TB... ::) Oh and in Germany! ;D
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You lot been talking about me while I was
burgling me neighbours in the land of nod? ;D
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I use one of these to read my codes. In fact, this exact one:
(https://i.ibb.co/4WYXfCY/3092425-D-A092-49-D3-8-A9-D-20-BA0-A09-DC78.png) (https://ibb.co/gyPf7QP)
Do they do teeth-sucking and wallet-lightening as well? ;D
Looks a bit of a dive to me.
Where are the big-titted receptionists hiding?
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I use one of these to read my codes. In fact, this exact one:
(https://i.ibb.co/4WYXfCY/3092425-D-A092-49-D3-8-A9-D-20-BA0-A09-DC78.png) (https://ibb.co/gyPf7QP)
Do they do teeth-sucking and wallet-lightening as well? ;D
Looks a bit of a dive to me.
Where are the big-titted receptionists hiding?
Big titted receptionists put £50ph on the labour charges.
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They do have a young lad there who's a bit 'mooby' ;D
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I'll only pay £25 extra / hr for him, then :)
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The picture is clearly a fake, the garage is in Barnsley (or near by) and by the looks of it, they have electric! (They have CCTV).
Clearly Barnsley + Electricity = Lie?
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I pay between £199 and £235 for a service from Jaguar every year or 16000 miles using the 3+ scheme.
For this I get as much 'posh' coffee and fancy pastries as I can drink and eat. They will also give me a lift into town if I want to go shopping. If I can't be arsed to drive there they will pick and return the car free of charge and leave me another Jag while my car is away (Actually, last time it was a Honda Jizz :-\)
I also get to have a go on the receptionists knockers. All part of the customer service. :)
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I think Uncle STEMO is on the roof escaping the receptionists knockers! ;D
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I pay between £199 and £235 for a service from Jaguar every year or 16000 miles using the 3+ scheme.
For this I get as much 'posh' coffee and fancy pastries as I can drink and eat. They will also give me a lift into town if I want to go shopping. If I can't be arsed to drive there they will pick and return the car free of charge and leave me another Jag while my car is away (Actually, last time it was a Honda Jizz :-\)
I also get to have a go on the receptionists knockers. All part of the customer service. :)
Good. My car is five years old, so we'll see what you pay then....unless you've traded it for a proper diesel car.
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I think Uncle STEMO is on the roof escaping the receptionists knockers! ;D
If you are asked for directions to it, Spiderman helps a lot. ;D
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I pay between £199 and £235 for a service from Jaguar every year or 16000 miles using the 3+ scheme.
For this I get as much 'posh' coffee and fancy pastries as I can drink and eat. They will also give me a lift into town if I want to go shopping. If I can't be arsed to drive there they will pick and return the car free of charge and leave me another Jag while my car is away (Actually, last time it was a Honda Jizz :-\)
I also get to have a go on the receptionists knockers. All part of the customer service. :)
Good. My car is five years old, so we'll see what you pay then....unless you've traded it for a proper diesel car.
The above figures are obviously just for the service. Any additional parts cost extra........although to date I have not needed any.
As for buying a car fitted with a lorry/canal boat/cement mixer engine, don't hold your breath. :)
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An MOT, service and my road tax costs about the same as just your road tax. :)
Plus...I travel about 17,000 miles a year, costing me around £2,500 in fuel. A petrol car would probably add about £1,500 to that and a car like yours would double it.
Small beer to you, but not to a poor pensioner like me. :'(
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I also get to have a go on the receptionists knockers. All part of the customer service. :)
there are better knockers at Maserati dealers.
Just saying........
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An MOT, service and my road tax costs about the same as just your road tax. :)
Plus...I travel about 17,000 miles a year, costing me around £2,500 in fuel. A petrol car would probably add about £1,500 to that and a car like yours would double it.
Small beer to you, but not to a poor pensioner like me. :'(
I'm not in the least bit sensible and in the past have been utterly reckless. I tend to think subjectively rather than objectively.
An accountant would no doubt be impressed by your frugality with regard to motoring, but more important to me is how it makes me feel.
A large irresponsible supercharged petrol engine is always going to make people feel more happy than a dreary lifeless derv. It's not rocket science. ;)
In the same way ........having sex with Rachel Riley is going to make any man (or woman) feel far better than having sex with Diane Abbott.......even though it will cost more. :y
PETROL RULES...... :D
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I also get to have a go on the receptionists knockers. All part of the customer service. :)
there are better knockers at Maserati dealers.
Just saying........
Clarification please... ;D
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I also get to have a go on the receptionists knockers. All part of the customer service. :)
there are better knockers at Maserati dealers.
Just saying........
Clarification please... ;D
Obviously the Jaaag is the epitome of reliability ( ;D ) but you would probably spend more time at the Maserati dealership, so you should expect to get better eye candy to distract you from how expensively broken the car is...
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The "official" Tech 2 equivalent for Volvo is Vida/Dice this can be bought for home use on a laptop.
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Ancel fx6000 brought 1 the other month,wont do x type jag but newer jags,also vw/audi 1994 onwards with the 2 plug diagnostics,adapters included for mitsubishi,toyota,gm/daewoo,kia,citroen/peugeot,bmw,and some others.used it on the Kia Sorento and insignia,and does the job,also different abilities due to what car its used on.
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Ancel fx6000 brought 1 the other month,wont do x type jag but newer jags,also vw/audi 1994 onwards with the 2 plug diagnostics,adapters included for mitsubishi,toyota,gm/daewoo,kia,citroen/peugeot,bmw,and some others.used it on the Kia Sorento and insignia,and does the job,also different abilities due to what car its used on.
The "official" Tech 2 equivalent for Volvo is Vida/Dice this can be bought for home use on a laptop.
Thanks muchly :)
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To answer the OP....
The only Omegas that are EOBD (EU's version of OBDII) are:
2.6 V6
3.2 V6
2.2 DTi*
2.2 petrol*
Thus older V6's do not work with generic readers, whatever the seller may claim about it working with post 1996 cars.
Officially, a 1996 Omega is a Tech1 or Tech1a car, and needs the Omega cartridge and the Omega multiplexor module (or a bit of resoldering).
However, the Tech2 is much more capable, and works on *all* Omegas with the exception of the following modules:
IR Locking
IR Immobiliser
U25DT engine ECU (the DDE 2.0 management system fitted to 1994/5 Omega TDs)
The Volvo will be EOBD, and thus work on any generic EOBD compliant reader that supports the correct protocols, which most new ones will. You will likely only get basic info (ie, P codes) from the engine management, and possibly drivetrain. Some, but not all, can read manufacturer specific codes (U codes), though cant decode them.
Manufacturer, dealer level, diag tools allow the full suite of diags, upgrades and reconfigurations that the dealer gets, though the tools are expensive, and usually require ongoing licencing. Even then, in some cases, some functions are locked out to all but franchised dealers.
3rd party tools aimed at specific manufacturers, such as the aforementioned iCarsoft, tend to be a significant step down from the dealer level stuff, and usually can only communicate with a small subset of the onboard systems.
The rather hopeless tool that cannot be mentioned is pretty rubbish when you buy the €600 original. The Chinese £20 ebay clones are a lot worse, and can be dangerous to the car - I used to make a tidy profit off collecting ECUs from the scrappy and reprogramming them for cars that said tool had destroyed. Whilst in general it seems OK for reading codes from most of the systems it can talk to on the Omega, I would be ultra cautious plugging it in to a Tech1 car.
*These seem to be strictly EOBD, and some OBDII readers struggle with them
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The iCarsoft for BMW can programme/calibrate the parking sensors as an example of functionality ;)
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The iCarsoft for BMW can programme/calibrate the parking sensors as an example of functionality ;)
But its a significant step down from the real stuff, and only does a small subset of onboard systems.
It may be a decent enough option, but its certainly expensive and far from generic (unless you tend to stick to one marque in your car fleet).
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The iCarsoft for BMW can programme/calibrate the parking sensors as an example of functionality ;)
Plus, don't ask me how I know how little it does on BMWs ;).
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Thanks TB, that gives some good 'from the horses mouth' info, ta.
Always wanted to be in the right place / right time to see a Tech 1 / 2 going cheap, garage clearout, etc. May do one day, be the ultimate 'toy'
Will therefore direct my search onto something suitably cheap n cheerful to do geberal stuff on the Volvo/mates' cars, and look at Omega-related options elsewhere.... though that choice looks like it's either the code reader of no name, or a paperclip! :)
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
;D ;D ;D :y
You're lucky you can even see your battery/batteries ..... I've 1 under my seat & another somewhere at the rear offside of my ML ;)
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
;D ;D ;D :y
You're lucky you can even see your battery/batteries ..... I've 1 under my seat & another somewhere at the rear offside of my ML ;)
Both under your seat ;)
1. Remove the carpet section and footwell vent ducting.
2. Unbolt the clamp at the rear of the main battery.
3. Hoik out main battery with electricuting yourself or breaking your spine.
4. Dig out the secondary battery from the outside edge of the cavity left by 3.
Not too bad in the scheme of things :D
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
;D ;D ;D :y
You're lucky you can even see your battery/batteries ..... I've 1 under my seat & another somewhere at the rear offside of my ML ;)
Both under your seat ;)
1. Remove the carpet section and footwell vent ducting.
2. Unbolt the clamp at the rear of the main battery.
3. Hoik out main battery with electricuting yourself or breaking your spine.
4. Dig out the secondary battery from the outside edge of the cavity left by 3.
Not too bad in the scheme of things :D
The 2nd battery is definitely at the back of the car ..... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_REzrHrFOOY ;)
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
;D ;D ;D :y
You're lucky you can even see your battery/batteries ..... I've 1 under my seat & another somewhere at the rear offside of my ML ;)
Both under your seat ;)
1. Remove the carpet section and footwell vent ducting.
2. Unbolt the clamp at the rear of the main battery.
3. Hoik out main battery with electricuting yourself or breaking your spine.
4. Dig out the secondary battery from the outside edge of the cavity left by 3.
Not too bad in the scheme of things :D
The 2nd battery is definitely at the back of the car ..... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_REzrHrFOOY ;)
Aux. battery in mine is in the back, have to remove the spare wheel to get at it.
Thinking of putting a voltage display somewhere in the back to give me a read out as to it's condition.
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That's bizarre. The GL, essentially a long wheelbase ML, has it as above :D (unless that only applies to lhd :-\)
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That's bizarre. The GL, essentially a long wheelbase ML, has it as above :D (unless that only applies to lhd :-\)
It's definitely at the back. If I remove the cover to access the back of the rear lights I can just see one of the terminals. :y
ISTR that the Interweb suggested the R Class had two batteries under the driver's (rhd) seat but there was actually only one .
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
What a silly place to put it. But them MB got rid of all their designers back in the 1980s ;D
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
What a silly place to put it. But them MB got rid of all their designers back in the 1980s ;D
Trying to figure out why a car needs a battery from a fizzy, presumably in addition to one that's actually useful for starting the engine. ;D
Then I remembered. German engineers. :-X
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I've got an icarsoft MBII for the Merc, does everything I need.
I suspect, Mr AA, the dashboard alone does all you need ;D
Seeing as you CBA to change the battery ;D
When you get to my age sonny, you will have difficulty lifting out a battery from the back of the engine :P
What a silly place to put it. But them MB got rid of all their designers back in the 1980s ;D
I should have said, nearside rear of the engine bay, could have done it myself, but as you said CBA! ;)
Main service items, oil filter, fuel filter and air filter are all readily accessible and visible in the engine bay without having to glaze any knuckles trying to change them.
One of the easiest cars I've owned to do a service on - so there 8)
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What a silly place to put it. But them MB got rid of all their designers back in the 1980s ;D
Well .. it's a reasonable place to put it when you don't have to touch it for 10 years. You know, most people don't have to charge their cars up every week like you do for some reason :P
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Would love to make a cocky comment about the Merc.... but erm my Omega failed to start this morning! So best keep shtum! :D
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What a silly place to put it. But them MB got rid of all their designers back in the 1980s ;D
Well .. it's a reasonable place to put it when you don't have to touch it for 10 years. You know, most people don't have to charge their cars up every week like you do for some reason :P
:D
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Trying to figure out why a car needs a battery from a fizzy, presumably in addition to one that's actually useful for starting the engine. ;D
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Beats me too ???
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The W211 uses it to run the SBC (brake) pump...
Presumably the smaller battery supplies various systems that simply don't require the current of a bigger battery but do require a reliable source of volts :-\
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The W211 uses it to run the SBC (brake) pump...
Presumably the smaller battery supplies various systems that simply don't require the current of a bigger battery but do require a reliable source of volts :-\
Google suggests its related to the stop/start .... :-\
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Might be on yours being newer. Principle is the same though as it would act as a boost/buffer during restarts...
Must be there for a reason or they wouldn't have wasted time/effort fitting it.
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Might be on yours being newer. Principle is the same though as it would act as a boost/buffer during restarts...
Must be there for a reason or they wouldn't have wasted time/effort fitting it.
I'm guessing it's a kludge that most car manufacturers have used their ingenuity to avoid - by powering sensitive systems through a boost-buck regulator, for example.
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I would assume the two batteries are one for starting and the other for running all the electric bits an bobbins.
So that you play to your hearts content with the gadgets with engine off and flatten one battery and you will still be able to start the car :)
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I would assume the two batteries are one for starting and the other for running all the electric bits an bobbins.
So that you play to your hearts content with the gadgets with engine off and flatten one battery and you will still be able to start the car :)
Lots of cities (incl. London) have banned stationary cars from being left idling for extended periods, and City Slicker in the back of his chauffeur driven Merc doesn't like not being able to listen to Radio Four? ;D
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I would assume the two batteries are one for starting and the other for running all the electric bits an bobbins.
So that you play to your hearts content with the gadgets with engine off and flatten one battery and you will still be able to start the car :)
Lots of cities (incl. London) have banned stationary cars from being left idling for extended periods, and City Slicker in the back of his chauffeur driven Merc doesn't like not being able to listen to Radio Four? ;D
If I could afford a driver, I could afford never to have to go to that shithole...
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What a silly place to put it. But them MB got rid of all their designers back in the 1980s ;D
Well .. it's a reasonable place to put it when you don't have to touch it for 10 years. You know, most people don't have to charge their cars up every week like you do for some reason :P
I know letting a batt go even a 3rd flat buggers it, and will never regain full capacity, so I like to keep mine topped up :)
And because I don't drive nowadays, it means at least 2 or them can be left for weeks/months unused :(
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Trying to figure out why a car needs a battery from a fizzy, presumably in addition to one that's actually useful for starting the engine. ;D
Then I remembered. German engineers. :-X
Doesn't yours have 2? ;)
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Trying to figure out why a car needs a battery from a fizzy, presumably in addition to one that's actually useful for starting the engine. ;D
Then I remembered. German engineers. :-X
Doesn't yours have 2? ;)
Nope. Just one big AGM in the boot.
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And because I don't drive nowadays, it means at least 2 or them can be left for weeks/months unused :(
I think my OH would say that just means you clearly have two too many cars .. >:( She's mad, of course. :D
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And because I don't drive nowadays, it means at least 2 or them can be left for weeks/months unused :(
I think my OH would say that just means you clearly have two too many cars .. >:( She's mad, of course. :D
Clearly she is bonkers ;D