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FFS. Really?

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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #1 on: 03 August 2022, 08:35:53 »

Personally I wouldn't have a clue, good luck with that..😎
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #2 on: 03 August 2022, 08:46:32 »

I thought having tp pull the rear seats out of step daughters C70 convertible to get at damper top nuts was bad enough,but that's a whole other level :o
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #3 on: 03 August 2022, 08:48:28 »

Have to say, that wiring looks pretty shoddy.

Popping out the rear side trims ought to be enough.

Also, are you certain that they are internally mounted?

Often the shock is mounted to a bracket that then bolts up externally.
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« Reply #4 on: 03 August 2022, 08:50:37 »

That's why I am glad I have hung my spanners up, its like most modern stuff that's way to complicated. Most front strut tops are buried under the windscreen now as well.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #5 on: 03 August 2022, 09:08:28 »

Have to say, that wiring looks pretty shoddy.
I have unclipped the covers for where it bends around the wheel arch, for access. And had to unclipped the loom from its studs in a few places to remove panels.

What an arse.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #6 on: 03 August 2022, 09:09:13 »

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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #7 on: 03 August 2022, 09:10:02 »

And the problem....

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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #8 on: 03 August 2022, 09:27:32 »

Repairing that could write it off :o
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #9 on: 03 August 2022, 12:17:36 »

And the problem....



Needs a touch from the hot metal glue gun :y, Ive just put a set of front pads into a 2014 XJ/L, bloody calipers are huge but pads are mondeo size, whats the point in that ::)
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« Reply #10 on: 03 August 2022, 13:04:44 »

Needs a touch from the hot metal glue gun :y, Ive just put a set of front pads into a 2014 XJ/L, bloody calipers are huge but pads are mondeo size, whats the point in that ::)
Presumably that a glue gun and special glue?

As for XJ pads, pretty sure mine a the same calipers ford use, due to that odd size allen bolt that ford love.  The V8 ones have proper size calipers, discs and pads, as you'd expect.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #11 on: 03 August 2022, 14:02:54 »

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As for XJ pads, pretty sure mine a the same calipers ford use, due to that odd size allen bolt that ford love.   ....

My brother's MKIII Escort used a 7mm Allen key somewhere on the front calipers years ago. The fronts on my R Class also used a 7mm on the front slider pins & the rears used 11mm ....
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« Reply #12 on: 03 August 2022, 15:06:12 »

Needs a touch from the hot metal glue gun :y, Ive just put a set of front pads into a 2014 XJ/L, bloody calipers are huge but pads are mondeo size, whats the point in that ::)
Presumably that a glue gun and special glue?

As for XJ pads, pretty sure mine a the same calipers ford use, due to that odd size allen bolt that ford love.  The V8 ones have proper size calipers, discs and pads, as you'd expect.

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« Reply #13 on: 03 August 2022, 18:00:10 »

You have both my admiration and my sympathy, Jaime.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #14 on: 03 August 2022, 18:21:44 »

I thought having tp pull the rear seats out of step daughters C70 convertible to get at damper top nuts was bad enough,but that's a whole other level :o

Every time you write this I imagine a Honda step through. Red with white leg guards. :)
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #15 on: 03 August 2022, 18:37:14 »

I thought having tp pull the rear seats out of step daughters C70 convertible to get at damper top nuts was bad enough,but that's a whole other level :o

Every time you write this I imagine a Honda step through. Red with white leg guards. :)
Wasn't that a c90?
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #16 on: 03 August 2022, 18:40:45 »

I thought having tp pull the rear seats out of step daughters C70 convertible to get at damper top nuts was bad enough,but that's a whole other level :o

Every time you write this I imagine a Honda step through. Red with white leg guards. :)
Wasn't that a c90?


C50....C70.....or for those with big balls the powerful C90. :D
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #17 on: 03 August 2022, 18:41:46 »

Needs a touch from the hot metal glue gun :y, Ive just put a set of front pads into a 2014 XJ/L, bloody calipers are huge but pads are mondeo size, whats the point in that ::)
Presumably that a glue gun and special glue?

As for XJ pads, pretty sure mine a the same calipers ford use, due to that odd size allen bolt that ford love.  The V8 ones have proper size calipers, discs and pads, as you'd expect.

Mig welder >:D
Sadly not - the stud has to come out, as its damaged.  I did toy with, and half heartedly, tried to do the shock up my holding the stud in place.  But the stud is shagged.

A bolt will go in in its place.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #18 on: 03 August 2022, 18:43:59 »

I thought having tp pull the rear seats out of step daughters C70 convertible to get at damper top nuts was bad enough,but that's a whole other level :o

Every time you write this I imagine a Honda step through. Red with white leg guards. :)
Wasn't that a c90?


C50....C70.....or for those with big balls the powerful C90. :D
When I last moved house, I found a C90 in the garage.  And a Puch Maxi ;D

I think the C90 might have belonged to Mrs TB's brother, no idea about the Puch.  Both went down the scrapyard before I moved.


Yes, that is the same garage where we discovered a Vauxhall Nova...   ...but that was mine, I'd just forgotten about it ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 03 August 2022, 19:02:22 »

I sold a C90 2 or 3 years ago for Ł1300. Its probably worth near double that now !  ::)
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« Reply #20 on: 03 August 2022, 19:15:47 »

I sold a C90 2 or 3 years ago for Ł1300. Its probably worth near double that now !  ::)

Yep....just seen one from the eighties for Ł2750. It's crazy.

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« Reply #21 on: 03 August 2022, 19:23:37 »


When I last moved house, I found a C90 in the garage.  And a Puch Maxi ;D


My mate had one of those and it was funny as hell watching him furiously peddling down the road to get it going!  ;D

Once it was going, it went very well and kept up with the Fizzies.  :y

It was very uncool though.  ;D
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #22 on: 03 August 2022, 21:21:47 »


When I last moved house, I found a C90 in the garage.  And a Puch Maxi ;D


My mate had one of those and it was funny as hell watching him furiously peddling down the road to get it going!  ;D

Once it was going, it went very well and kept up with the Fizzies.  :y

It was very uncool though.  ;D

SWMBO had a Puch Maxi that she used to go form our married quarter in Gosport to Pompey via the ferry. In the day, cycles & motor bikes/scooter mopeds etc were free, the last time I used the Gosport ferry they were all charged for, consequently there were no motorbike etc on the ferry
She came off it one day after braking hard enough in the wet to lock up the front wheel ..... she never used it again.

It was a loong time back now, but I remember you starting it with a kick start of sorts .... IIRC you kinda wound it up & then released the drive which then spun the engine
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« Reply #23 on: 03 August 2022, 21:39:47 »

The good old days, eh ?  ;D
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« Reply #24 on: 04 August 2022, 07:21:11 »

That looks like an XE to me. :-\

My mate at school had a Puch Maxi. Our maths teacher's wife knocked him off it in her Morris Ital outside the school one evening and he was so embarrassed he rode off home without the exhaust, which I picked up and returned to him later. ;D

I do remember he could show most of the 50cc "Pifco boys" a clean pair of heals due to not having to change up through any gears during the 0-30 sprint. ;D

Another mate had a Raleigh Wisp, although I don't think he ever rode it on the road. We'd belt round his parents garden on it, until I lost it and went through his mum's prized bed of rose bushes. ::) That was a proper "pedal and go" job.
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« Reply #25 on: 04 August 2022, 09:01:14 »

It was a loong time back now, but I remember you starting it with a kick start of sorts .... IIRC you kinda wound it up & then released the drive which then spun the engine
I think you pulled in the decompression lever, pedalled like crazy, released the lever and hope it started.  That was my vague recollection of ragging it around the estate before taking it to scrappy ;D
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« Reply #26 on: 04 August 2022, 09:03:55 »

That looks like an XE to me. :-\
You'd be correct.

My mate at school had a Puch Maxi. Our maths teacher's wife knocked him off it in her Morris Ital outside the school one evening and he was so embarrassed he rode off home without the exhaust, which I picked up and returned to him later. ;D
You seemed to have had many encounters with Morris Itals in your past.  I wonder if that helps explain why you are like you are, they have scarred you for life.  I'm sure there are solicitors who advertise on the telly who can help you with compensation for the psychological marks left upon you ;D
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« Reply #27 on: 04 August 2022, 09:24:05 »


When I last moved house, I found a C90 in the garage.  And a Puch Maxi ;D


My mate had one of those and it was funny as hell watching him furiously peddling down the road to get it going!  ;D

Once it was going, it went very well and kept up with the Fizzies.  :y

It was very uncool though.  ;D

SWMBO had a Puch Maxi that she used to go form our married quarter in Gosport to Pompey via the ferry. In the day, cycles & motor bikes/scooter mopeds etc were free, the last time I used the Gosport ferry they were all charged for, consequently there were no motorbike etc on the ferry
She came off it one day after braking hard enough in the wet to lock up the front wheel ..... she never used it again.

It was a loong time back now, but I remember you starting it with a kick start of sorts .... IIRC you kinda wound it up & then released the drive which then spun the engine
I was wrong .... she had a Honda Express  ::)
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« Reply #28 on: 04 August 2022, 09:51:14 »

I was wrong .... she had a Honda Express  ::)
You married a posh girl then ;D
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« Reply #29 on: 04 August 2022, 11:17:00 »

I was wrong .... she had a Honda Express  ::)
You married a posh girl then ;D
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« Reply #30 on: 04 August 2022, 13:19:46 »

I had a Garelli that would piss all over a Fizzy, Honda  SS50, or Suzuki AP50.

With 6.2 BHP from 49cc it was a rocket ship.
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« Reply #31 on: 04 August 2022, 13:20:36 »

If memory serves it had a 'chrome bore'......no idea why.
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« Reply #32 on: 04 August 2022, 14:26:15 »

My missus had a little Honda PX, looked like a trails bike but not really off road friendly.  ;D She used it to do her 'home help' round.  She loved it. The daft thing about it was it had a double seat but no rear foot pegs. She did quite a few miles a week around the Suffolk country side.
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« Reply #33 on: 04 August 2022, 16:00:53 »

That looks like an XE to me. :-\
You'd be correct.

My mate at school had a Puch Maxi. Our maths teacher's wife knocked him off it in her Morris Ital outside the school one evening and he was so embarrassed he rode off home without the exhaust, which I picked up and returned to him later. ;D
You seemed to have had many encounters with Morris Itals in your past.  I wonder if that helps explain why you are like you are, they have scarred you for life.  I'm sure there are solicitors who advertise on the telly who can help you with compensation for the psychological marks left upon you ;D

Nope. Those scars don't heal, as I'm sure you're aware. ;D
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« Reply #34 on: 04 August 2022, 16:02:33 »

.. and I now know whose expertise to call on when I cba to investigate the rattle under my parcel shelf. :y
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« Reply #35 on: 04 August 2022, 16:27:26 »

That looks like an XE to me. :-\
You'd be correct.

My mate at school had a Puch Maxi. Our maths teacher's wife knocked him off it in her Morris Ital outside the school one evening and he was so embarrassed he rode off home without the exhaust, which I picked up and returned to him later. ;D
You seemed to have had many encounters with Morris Itals in your past.  I wonder if that helps explain why you are like you are, they have scarred you for life.  I'm sure there are solicitors who advertise on the telly who can help you with compensation for the psychological marks left upon you ;D

Nope. Those scars don't heal, as I'm sure you're aware. ;D

If you have PTSM from an Ital imagine how the victims of the humble Marina must suffer.... ;D
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« Reply #36 on: 04 August 2022, 20:47:07 »

I had a Garelli that would piss all over a Fizzy, Honda  SS50, or Suzuki AP50.

With 6.2 BHP from 49cc it was a rocket ship.

I had one of these when I was 14-15 as a field bike, and had a lot of fun scrambling it around the farm.  :y

Drove my Old Man nuts though.  ::)  Can't imagine why?  :-\  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: 04 August 2022, 20:49:25 »

That looks like an XE to me. :-\
You'd be correct.

My mate at school had a Puch Maxi. Our maths teacher's wife knocked him off it in her Morris Ital outside the school one evening and he was so embarrassed he rode off home without the exhaust, which I picked up and returned to him later. ;D
You seemed to have had many encounters with Morris Itals in your past.  I wonder if that helps explain why you are like you are, they have scarred you for life.  I'm sure there are solicitors who advertise on the telly who can help you with compensation for the psychological marks left upon you ;D

Nope. Those scars don't heal, as I'm sure you're aware. ;D

If you have PTSM from an Ital imagine how the victims of the humble Marina must suffer.... ;D

No PTSM here, nor PTSD.  ::)   Just fond memories! :)

It's a shame they stopped making them, as I reckon a modern Marina would be awesome!  8)  :y  ::)  :D
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« Reply #38 on: 05 August 2022, 10:32:06 »

Nope. Those scars don't heal, as I'm sure you're aware. ;D
Its a time of my life that I was always too hung over to remember. Fortunately.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #39 on: 05 August 2022, 10:37:16 »

.. and I now know whose expertise to call on when I cba to investigate the rattle under my parcel shelf. :y
Her's has fixed rear seats, they come out in about 10 mins, with most of that getting the right angle to get the seat back through the door.  IIRC, yours a proper folding ones, so the extra time to do the bolsters will be made up for by how easily you can get your back pieces in and out.

Not checked, but suspect once seats out of the way, shelf "carpet" bit will then come out in the same way as an Omega.


Oh, and have some of the purple clips spare for when you lift the door treads, as I broke one, so my job when I go downstairs is to check EPC ;D
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #40 on: 05 August 2022, 10:39:26 »

Both shocks now changed.  One of the studs on the NS also came loose, so that now uses a bolt as well.  As the interior was already out, it made it trivial.

I reckon next time I have to change them, I will get away with just the seat base, maybe seat back, and be able to get a spanner in to hold it.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #41 on: 05 August 2022, 10:47:35 »

Well done sir, that looked like a fuŁking epic!

As you say, hopefully next time (as and when that is) will be easier  :y.

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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #42 on: 05 August 2022, 12:09:45 »

Well done sir, that looked like a fuŁking epic!

As you say, hopefully next time (as and when that is) will be easier  :y.
The old ones are 7 years old, and genuine ones went on (currently no aftermarket options available), so hopefully will be another 7 years :)

As with other JLR vehicles, although it seems a drastic ballache to get to bits, they are designed well so that its dead easy to remove such things.  It took me and Mrs TB hardly any time at all to get it back together, with the hardest bit trying to get the rear seat back in through the door opening.  However, this does not forgive the shockingly (no pun intended) bad design decision to glue a stud in place that holds the shock mount - any spanner monkey is going to use a windy impact gun, thats going to break that glue...   ...then the interior has to come out.  Eedjits.
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #43 on: 05 August 2022, 13:16:29 »

That looks like an XE to me. :-\
You'd be correct.

My mate at school had a Puch Maxi. Our maths teacher's wife knocked him off it in her Morris Ital outside the school one evening and he was so embarrassed he rode off home without the exhaust, which I picked up and returned to him later. ;D
You seemed to have had many encounters with Morris Itals in your past.  I wonder if that helps explain why you are like you are, they have scarred you for life.  I'm sure there are solicitors who advertise on the telly who can help you with compensation for the psychological marks left upon you ;D

Nope. Those scars don't heal, as I'm sure you're aware. ;D

If you have PTSM from an Ital imagine how the victims of the humble Marina must suffer.... ;D

No PTSM here, nor PTSD.  ::)   Just fond memories! :)

It's a shame they stopped making them, as I reckon a modern Marina would be awesome!  8)  :y  ::)  :D

I shouldn't mock the mighty Marina. Many moons ago I was gifted an elderly Princess 1.7 by a previous FIL, and actually liked it.

How sad is that... :-\ :D ;D
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Re: In the name of all that is holy. How hard can rear shocks be?
« Reply #44 on: 05 August 2022, 16:33:44 »

Yes, but you like a Signum as well....


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« Reply #45 on: 05 August 2022, 21:07:12 »

Saw a Marina today!!!!it was that lime yellow colour ------------
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