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[Rangie]

The car you always you promised yourself is coming back, reading between the lines it's going to be an EV..

[Sir Tigger KC]

Definitely an EV.

I wonder if it will even look remotely like a Capri though?    Or will they just stick the Capri badge on a dreary jelly mould like they did with the Mustang. 

Apparently it will at least have the four headlights so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with! 

[Rangie]

Can't imagine that it will be anything very exciting, if like you say it's comparable to the Mustang,  I won't be rushing to view one.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Definitely an EV.

I wonder if it will even look remotely like a Capri though?    Or will they just stick the Capri badge on a dreary jelly mould like they did with the Mustang. 

Apparently it will at least have the four headlights so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with!

No it wont. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Definitely an EV.

I wonder if it will even look remotely like a Capri though?    Or will they just stick the Capri badge on a dreary jelly mould like they did with the Mustang. 

Apparently it will at least have the four headlights so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with!

No it wont. 

I didn't say it will be an interesting car.   

[STEMO]

They relaunched the viva, and look at the state of that fickin thing.

[dave the builder]

The car you always you promised yourself is coming back, reading between the lines it's going to be an EV..

They could fit Solar panels on the roof

call it the Fraud     CAPRI-SUN     

[Nick W]

Can't imagine that it will be anything very exciting, if like you say it's comparable to the Mustang,  I won't be rushing to view one.

Most Capris were about as exciting as the Cortinas that their engines and gearboxes came from.


A modern one would use the running gear from a Focus, in a coupeish body based on those measurements. VW tried this a few years ago with the Scirocco, and ended up with a car that was just a squashed Golf. Traditional long bonnets and short tails don't really suit FWD mechanicals!

[TheBoy]

I never had any desire for the originals, despite being a big fan of The Professionals back in the day.

But Ford will be trying to push junk on the back of a name that had a following, much like Vauxhall tried with the particularly crap Viva.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I had an Original many years ago. It was dull, boring and uninspiring, just like every other Ford Ive ever driven. Their popularity was always a mystery to me.

[Varche]

Poor mans EType pen1s.

My dad had one and had to carry chains in the boot to aid traction. My brother wrote it off sans chains when the rear overtook the front

[Kevin Wood]

Can't imagine that it will be anything very exciting, if like you say it's comparable to the Mustang,  I won't be rushing to view one.

Most Capris were about as exciting as the Cortinas that their engines and gearboxes came from.


A modern one would use the running gear from a Focus, in a coupeish body based on those measurements. VW tried this a few years ago with the Scirocco, and ended up with a car that was just a squashed Golf. Traditional long bonnets and short tails don't really suit FWD mechanicals!

No, everything has to be an SUV* these days otherwise the "competitive mums" on the school run don't want them.

It's fine to make the Mustang an ugly electric monstrosity these days, so it'll be fine for the Crapi too!

* - Sluggish Uninspiring Vehicle?

[Kevin Wood]

But Ford will be trying to push junk on the back of a name that had a following, much like Vauxhall tried with the particularly crap Viva.

Not as crap as the original Viva, fortunately.

[Andy B]

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Most Capris were about as exciting as the Cortinas that their engines and gearboxes came from.

 ....

To quote Mr Clarkson ... "a Capri is just a Cortina in a party frock"

[TheBoy]

But Ford will be trying to push junk on the back of a name that had a following, much like Vauxhall tried with the particularly crap Viva.

Not as crap as the original Viva, fortunately.

Never drove one, but Grandma had one when I was a nipper, and it seemed nice enough.  I still remember she called it Queenie, no idea why.

But I have driven a modern Viva, and cannot believe the original was any more crap.  But maybe I have rose tinted glasses...


...my first car was a Triumph Acclaim, one of Grandma's cast offs that was going ridiculously cheap, cheap to insure, had a bit of poke to it compared to other insurable stuff, and was in immaculate condition despite its age.  I thought, suspect handling aside, it was the mutts nuts as a young, free, reckless, boy-racing yoof.   Then, a few years ago, Tunnie and I saw one at the local scrappy, so I had to go and sit in it, and what a disappointment!  Talk about rose tinted specs .  But still have fond memories of my first car, and the antics....

[Andy H]

My first car was a 1256 HC Viva. It was built down the road in Luton, everyone I knew had a family member who worked for Vauxhalls (or one of their suppliers).

I was happy enough riding motorbikes. I had a Suzuki GS850G and didn't have a car licence but one day my parents convinced me to hand over 70quid for a brown 2 door viva with a curious crease in the rear bodywork.

Coil springs all round (take that Crapi !) and front disk brakes. The Suzuki claimed 85bhp, the Viva 55bhp.

My point of reference was motorbikes, all cars were gutless slugs by comparison so the Viva didn't seem particularly crap as cars go. My brother had a Capri at the time which started life as a 1300 but had acquired a 1600 engine. It was a bit more lively than the viva (but not much)

[Raeturbo]

I had a HA 1057,   WTX 47.  And later a HA ex post office van. Not too bad for the time. My uncles burnt the inside of the saloon while doing a bit of welding on it, I had to drive it home sitting on a pop crate🤣🤣

[Rangie]

My father was a Ford man & I followed suit for a while Escort Sierra Cortina & the best of the bunch 3 V6 Granadas got pissed off as they nearly all seemed to let water in when it rained hated the damp carpets, so switched to Japanese vehicles & never looked back, always fancied  2.8 injection Capri but not practical with kids & dogs .Had most Japanese 4x4s  and a couple of Mercs a 190e & an E430 V8 not forgetting the V6 Omega but always hankered after a Range Rover got one almost 4 years ago now and it is without a doubt the best of the vehicles I've owned,  as for EVs they don't figure in my plans at all.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The car you always you promised yourself is coming back, reading between the lines it's going to be an EV..

https://youtu.be/CLGrlPCOYTk

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I never had any desire for the originals, despite being a big fan of The Professionals back in the day.

But Ford will be trying to push junk on the back of a name that had a following, much like Vauxhall tried with the particularly crap Viva.

You'll need to change your avatar, TB.

Every time I see it I can't help but think of STMO getting ready to walk the new whippet.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My first car was a 1256 HC Viva. It was built down the road in Luton, everyone I knew had a family member who worked for Vauxhalls (or one of their suppliers).

I was happy enough riding motorbikes. I had a Suzuki GS850G and didn't have a car licence but one day my parents convinced me to hand over 70quid for a brown 2 door viva with a curious crease in the rear bodywork.

Coil springs all round (take that Crapi !) and front disk brakes. The Suzuki claimed 85bhp, the Viva 55bhp.

My point of reference was motorbikes, all cars were gutless slugs by comparison so the Viva didn't seem particularly crap as cars go. My brother had a Capri at the time which started life as a 1300 but had acquired a 1600 engine. It was a bit more lively than the viva (but not much)

From memory this was a bulbous shafty based on the GS550/750.

Presumably to compete with the Yamaha XS 750/850 shafty.

[YZ250]

I owned a black MK111 Ford Capri 3.0S for about five years. It was quick for those days and never let me down. Had to sell it when our kids were born as the boot was too small for a buggy. I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse to replace the Capri and they both hold a place in my heart, one for being a fast for it’s time two door coupe and the other for being a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 
I personally see no point reviving old car brands. They’ve had their day, let them stay that way, in the past. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I owned a black MK111 Ford Capri 3.0S for about five years. It was quick for those days and never let me down. Had to sell it when our kids were born as the boot was too small for a buggy. I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse to replace the Capri and they both hold a place in my heart, one for being a fast for it’s time two door coupe and the other for being a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 
I personally see no point reviving old car brands. They’ve had their day, let them stay that way, in the past. 

I have only owned one Capri. A 1600XL MK1 from 1973. It was slow and handled like a lorry but looked good in white with a BVR.

I knew a woman who owned a 2.8i with the 5 speed box. This was underwhelming.......probably due to the combination of  'long gears' and little low down stump pulling torque, unlike the old 3 litre V6 Essex lump.

[YZ250]

I owned a black MK111 Ford Capri 3.0S for about five years. It was quick for those days and never let me down. Had to sell it when our kids were born as the boot was too small for a buggy. I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse to replace the Capri and they both hold a place in my heart, one for being a fast for it’s time two door coupe and the other for being a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 
I personally see no point reviving old car brands. They’ve had their day, let them stay that way, in the past. 

I have only owned one Capri. A 1600XL MK1 from 1973. It was slow and handled like a lorry but looked good in white with a BVR.

I knew a woman who owned a 2.8i with the 5 speed box. This was underwhelming.......probably due to the combination of  'long gears' and little low down stump pulling torque, unlike the old 3 litre V6 Essex lump.

The earlier 2.8i had a 4 speed box and ran similar times to the 4 speed 3.0S. The later 5 speed 2.8i was too low geared and easily outrun by its predecessor. Mind you, Turbo Technics played with plenty of 5 speed 2.8i’s and they went like a missile. 
Those V6’s thrived on being driven hard. Being driven like Miss Daisy would bog them down and they’d run uninspiringly flat compared to a good one.

[countrywoman]

AS usual Clarkson got it wrong, its a mk1 Escort in a party frock. Advert for new Fraud Explorer on telly, yet another butt ugly POS. Whats with the slab front treatment all these type of motors have now?

[Nick W]

I owned a black MK111 Ford Capri 3.0S for about five years. It was quick for those days and never let me down. Had to sell it when our kids were born as the boot was too small for a buggy. I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse to replace the Capri and they both hold a place in my heart, one for being a fast for it’s time two door coupe and the other for being a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 
I personally see no point reviving old car brands. They’ve had their day, let them stay that way, in the past. 

I have only owned one Capri. A 1600XL MK1 from 1973. It was slow and handled like a lorry but looked good in white with a BVR.

I knew a woman who owned a 2.8i with the 5 speed box. This was underwhelming.......probably due to the combination of  'long gears' and little low down stump pulling torque, unlike the old 3 litre V6 Essex lump.

The earlier 2.8i had a 4 speed box and ran similar times to the 4 speed 3.0S. The later 5 speed 2.8i was too low geared and easily outrun by its predecessor. Mind you, Turbo Technics played with plenty of 5 speed 2.8i’s and they went like a missile. 
Those V6’s thrived on being driven hard. Being driven like Miss Daisy would bog them down and they’d run uninspiringly flat compared to a good one.

4 speed 2.8s had the same gearbox and diff as a 3.0l. They make a bit more power, and noticeably less torque so the similar performance was achieved by revving the 2.8 more than the wheezy 3.0l could manage. 5 speed 2.8s use the same axle, but the gearbox ratios are too tall which makes for a gutless feel and slower acceleration on real conditions.


There are two fixes for this: replace the 3.09 diff that all V6s had with the 3.44 from a 3.0l which was always quick, cheap and easy, or replace the engine with a 2.9 which was more work and cost. Fitting the 3.44 diff to a 3.0l makes for a car that runs slower 1/4 miles, isn't as nice to drive on the road as stock, and has even worse fuel economy. Milling out the carb mount on a 3.0l inlet manifold adds a useful 500rpm increase to the engine's natural rev limit, and is the real reason why the manifolds modified for a 390 Holley helped. You can also replace the 38DGAS with a 40DFI, which helps performance but drops the average economy well into single figures


Neither the 2.8 or 3.0l have much to recommend their usage anymore, when an average 2.0l makes more power for less weight with better economy and durability.

[TheBoy]

I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse
...
a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 

For reasons I'm completely unable to explain, I always wanted a 3500 SD1, and would probably still buy one if one came up cheap.  But Mrs TheBoy unusually put her foot down and said no, they are a piece of junk.  Occasionally, she does possess common sense.

[YZ250]

I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse
...
a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 

For reasons I'm completely unable to explain, I always wanted a 3500 SD1, and would probably still buy one if one came up cheap.  But Mrs TheBoy unusually put her foot down and said no, they are a piece of junk.  Occasionally, she does possess common sense.

Mrs TB was wise in this case.    Mrs YZ hated it from day one. I had a Moonraker Blue Vitesse, which looked great when I bought it. A design flaw in the doors meant that water could pass the door window seal and would sit in the bottom of the door. It should have drained out but it couldn’t, hence the door inner and outer skin separated through rotting out. 

[countrywoman]

My early 3.0 gt mk1 capri went well, the fast road cam and balance helped. 4 speed transit derived gear box was a pig, being an early one it had 3.22 rear gears. BTW its the 2.0 v4 that had 3.44s .

[Nick W]

My early 3.0 gt mk1 capri went well, the fast road cam and balance helped. 4 speed transit derived gear box was a pig, being an early one it had 3.22 rear gears. BTW its the 2.0 v4 that had 3.44s .

We didn't get V4 2.0 here, they were all Pintos. And the 3.44 diff in an Atlas axle was standard on all of them.

[Stu.C]

If it ever made it off the marketing whiteboard, it'd have as much to do with a 70s/80s Capri as the Mach-E thingummy has with the Mustang - the square root of flip all. They lack the imagination and guts to come up with new names for things, so trading on the past - however tenuous - always feels safer.


The article's 107% speculation, with the usual thinly-veiled undertones of  "oh, while you're here, have a look at a few adverts" 

[YZ250]

My early 3.0 gt mk1 capri went well, the fast road cam and balance helped. 4 speed transit derived gear box was a pig, being an early one it had 3.22 rear gears. BTW its the 2.0 v4 that had 3.44s .

We didn't get V4 2.0 here …………..

Well we did actually. It was produced in Dagenham and the engine was used in the Ford Corsair, Capri Mk I, Consul/Granada Mk I, Ford Zephyr Mk IV and the Ford Transit Mk I van. 
You’re too young to remember them Nick.   

[Raeturbo]

This^^. I had one 👍

[Raeturbo]

https://images.classic.com/vehicles/2f8a713159731fa9e05adee946585ccc8afe1c8c.jpg?w=672&h=576

       Mine looked something like this

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Speaking of the 3 litre Capri.....what exactly was the 3.0 Xpack car?

I can't ever recall having seen one on the road.

[Nick W]

My early 3.0 gt mk1 capri went well, the fast road cam and balance helped. 4 speed transit derived gear box was a pig, being an early one it had 3.22 rear gears. BTW its the 2.0 v4 that had 3.44s .

We didn't get V4 2.0 Capris here …………..

Well we did actually. It was produced in Dagenham and the engine was used in the Ford Corsair, Capri Mk I, Consul/Granada Mk I, Ford Zephyr Mk IV and the Ford Transit Mk I van. 
You’re too young to remember them Nick. 

Yep, I omitted a word. Oops  


Even thirty years ago V4 Capris were very rare here. They chopped 2 cylinders off the Essex V6 to make a slightly smaller boat anchor. Europe got V4 Mk2&3 Capris, but those were Colognes. Similar faults, and the only things they do better than a 2.0l Pinto is weight the front of the car and drink more fuel.


I've owned mk1 Capris, and a Mk IV Zephyr and replaced the V4 in a Corsair with a V6


I surprised you can remember what 52 feels like

[Rangie]

Just seen a pic of what the Capri may look like, looks a bit like the Chevrolet Camaro I think, so nice body shame about the power plant.

[Raeturbo]

I owned a black MK111 Ford Capri 3.0S for about five years. It was quick for those days and never let me down. Had to sell it when our kids were born as the boot was too small for a buggy. I bought a Rover SD1 V8 TP Vitesse to replace the Capri and they both hold a place in my heart, one for being a fast for it’s time two door coupe and the other for being a piece of shit. Boy did those SD1’s rust. 
I personally see no point reviving old car brands. They’ve had their day, let them stay that way, in the past. 

I have only owned one Capri. A 1600XL MK1 from 1973. It was slow and handled like a lorry but looked good in white with a BVR.

I knew a woman who owned a 2.8i with the 5 speed box. This was underwhelming.......probably due to the combination of  'long gears' and little low down stump pulling torque, unlike the old 3 litre V6 Essex lump.

The earlier 2.8i had a 4 speed box and ran similar times to the 4 speed 3.0S. The later 5 speed 2.8i was too low geared and easily outrun by its predecessor. Mind you, Turbo Technics played with plenty of 5 speed 2.8i’s and they went like a missile. 
Those V6’s thrived on being driven hard. Being driven like Miss Daisy would bog them down and they’d run uninspiringly flat compared to a good one.

Yes  the tickford Capri was 202bhp with 260 lbs ft and a modest 7.5 psi of boost due to the high compression ratio to start with 9.6.1, Only 85 were  made.

[Doctor Gollum]

In the V6 Granada 1-4 were the same ratio as the first four gears in the 5 speed.

Even the 2.3.5 speed would cruise at 120+ although the 2.8 carb helped with the bottom end grunt

The 4 speed managed about 18mpg The five speed with the 2.8i was nearly 30mpg on a run (the 5 speed 2.3 could do 27/28 with a bit of care), but had much better top end speed back when 130+ was socially acceptable on the A11

[ronnyd]

In the V6 Granada 1-4 were the same ratio as the first four gears in the 5 speed.

The 4 speed managed about 18mpg The five speed with the 2.8i was nearly 30mpg on a run, but had much better top end speed back when 130+ was socially acceptable on the A11

That long straight stretch just north of Thetford was great fun, especially in the wee small hours. The deer wouldn't have stood a chance. 

[Doctor Gollum]

In the V6 Granada 1-4 were the same ratio as the first four gears in the 5 speed.

The 4 speed managed about 18mpg The five speed with the 2.8i was nearly 30mpg on a run, but had much better top end speed back when 130+ was socially acceptable on the A11

That long straight stretch just north of Thetford was great fun, especially in the wee small hours. The deer wouldn't have stood a chance. 

The run up started at the M11 junction, but being mindful of the camera van in the layby as you go up the first hill and the sneaky bastard at Red Lodge hiding behind the first big sign for Barton Mills roundabout.

Obviously tried to keep below a ton under the Newmarket bypass bridges and going past Wymondham were Norfolks' finest have their HQ

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My early 3.0 gt mk1 capri went well, the fast road cam and balance helped. 4 speed transit derived gear box was a pig, being an early one it had 3.22 rear gears. BTW its the 2.0 v4 that had 3.44s .

We didn't get V4 2.0 Capris here …………..

Well we did actually. It was produced in Dagenham and the engine was used in the Ford Corsair, Capri Mk I, Consul/Granada Mk I, Ford Zephyr Mk IV and the Ford Transit Mk I van. 
You’re too young to remember them Nick. 

Yep, I omitted a word. Oops  


Even thirty years ago V4 Capris were very rare here. They chopped 2 cylinders off the Essex V6 to make a slightly smaller boat anchor. Europe got V4 Mk2&3 Capris, but those were Colognes. Similar faults, and the only things they do better than a 2.0l Pinto is weight the front of the car and drink more fuel.


I've owned mk1 Capris, and a Mk IV Zephyr and replaced the V4 in a Corsair with a V6


I surprised you can remember what 52 feels like

Yep....my old dad owned a 1965 Ford Coarsehair 2000GT V4 of 1965 vintage. Well before my time, of course, but I've seen the pictures of GUK 571C.

[Rangie]

I had a lovely 1 owner 1968 Corsair 2000E till it burst into flames outside St.Helier ambulance station, luckily my colleague witnessed it and the fire brigade turned up pretty quickly.

[ronnyd]

I was the proud owner of a 2000GT Corsair in gleaming Diamond white. Til SWMBO totalled it learning to drive.  Never teach ya missus to drive. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Maybe they will also bring back Bodie and Doyle, The Professionals!

My eldest son is named after Lewis Collins; I loved him!

As for the Capri.....

[Raeturbo]

I was the proud owner of a 2000GT Corsair in gleaming Diamond white. Til SWMBO totalled it learning to drive.  Never teach ya missus to drive. 

               I had a Corsair 1500 GT. threw a rod on the A470.  Done a the same on that road with a Triumph 2.5 PI.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I was the proud owner of a 2000GT Corsair in gleaming Diamond white. Til SWMBO totalled it learning to drive.  Never teach ya missus to drive. 

               I had a Corsair 1500 GT. threw a rod on the A470.  Done a the same on that road with a Triumph 2.5 PI.

Well they stopped people from doing that sort of thing with the 50mph average speed cameras.     

[Raeturbo]

Very true unfortunately 🤬

[Doctor Gollum]

I was the proud owner of a 2000GT Corsair in gleaming Diamond white. Til SWMBO totalled it learning to drive.  Never teach ya missus to drive. 

               I had a Corsair 1500 GT. threw a rod on the A470.  Done a the same on that road with a Triumph 2.5 PI.

Well they stopped people from doing that sort of thing with the 50mph average speed cameras.     

Bleddy communists

[Rangie]

Maybe they will also bring back Bodie and Doyle, The Professionals!

My eldest son is named after Lewis Collins; I loved him!

As for the Capri.....

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They seemed great programmes back then Lizzie,I also enjoyed the Sweeney but watching them now they seem pretty poor in the acting department.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I was the proud owner of a 2000GT Corsair in gleaming Diamond white. Til SWMBO totalled it learning to drive.  Never teach ya missus to drive. 

               I had a Corsair 1500 GT. threw a rod on the A470.  Done a the same on that road with a Triumph 2.5 PI.

Well they stopped people from doing that sort of thing with the 50mph average speed cameras.     

Bleddy communists

Well it is the People's Republic of Taffystan! 

[Raeturbo]

I’m backing you Steve, you know that let’s go👍🤣

[Lizzie Zoom]

Maybe they will also bring back Bodie and Doyle, The Professionals!

My eldest son is named after Lewis Collins; I loved him!

As for the Capri.....

.

They seemed great programmes back then Lizzie,I also enjoyed the Sweeney but watching them now they seem pretty poor in the acting department.

Yep, but the 1970’s was a naff decade anyway, so like the cars and the country we just accepted the tosh.  Mind you, it now seems The Sweeney was spot on about the flying squad, but without the corruption!