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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

A trade deal with the former British colonies is the work of a moment.

1......The USA lay down their demands.

2......We agree with them 100%......job done.

It will not be a negotiation of equals.  We will be so desperate to get a deal will will do as we are told. 

[STEMO]

A trade deal with the former British colonies is the work of a moment.

1......The USA lay down their demands.

2......We agree with them 100%......job done.

It will not be a negotiation of equals.  We will be so desperate to get a deal will will do as we are told.

There's a small matter to sort out before we do a trade deal with anyone. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

A trade deal with the former British colonies is the work of a moment.

1......The USA lay down their demands.

2......We agree with them 100%......job done.

It will not be a negotiation of equals.  We will be so desperate to get a deal will will do as we are told.

There's a small matter to sort out before we do a trade deal with anyone. 

Not for you.......as you left the EU on the 29th March if I'm not mistaken.

[STEMO]

A trade deal with the former British colonies is the work of a moment.

1......The USA lay down their demands.

2......We agree with them 100%......job done.

It will not be a negotiation of equals.  We will be so desperate to get a deal will will do as we are told.

There's a small matter to sort out before we do a trade deal with anyone. 

Not for you.......as you left the EU on the 29th March if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. It doesn't seem to have made much difference to my life. I'm still the same happy go lucky chap I always was. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

A trade deal with the former British colonies is the work of a moment.

1......The USA lay down their demands.

2......We agree with them 100%......job done.

It will not be a negotiation of equals.  We will be so desperate to get a deal will will do as we are told.

There's a small matter to sort out before we do a trade deal with anyone. 

Not for you.......as you left the EU on the 29th March if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. It doesn't seem to have made much difference to my life. I'm still the same happy go lucky chap I always was. 

Is it just you who has left the EU or is it all of Barnsley?......I get very confused.

[Lizzie Zoom]

America, (Americans) voted for the President it (they) deserve. 

(Can be attributed to a certain Canadian Female Stand up Comic)

You can take that any way you like.

In the same way that London(ers) has (have) always voted for the Major it(they) deserve.   

Out of interest, did you know that there are less people living in the UK (of all nationalities) than there are without access to ANY health care at all in the USA?  That Donald thinks he shouldn't fix this before twittering shite, kind of proves what a heartless bastard he is. Don't you think? It's OOF so probably not.

Last time anyone looked, the US was not a Socialist State and nor does it pretend to be...

They have a welfare system, it's simply different to ours and everyone is supported upto the age of 18, after that, you are reasonably expected to stand on your own two feet. Also, no one is denied medical treatment, it's simply that it has to be paid for at some point and the more you can afford the better that treatment is likely to be. The better your health insurance the less you will be charged... Hardly ground breaking stuff.

You have to understand how the US is structured in order to understand how it functions, for example several states don't levy income tax, yet are amongst the best places to live in terms of services provided and quality of life whilst some of the most heavily taxed states are either amongst the smallest (ie Connecticut) or poorest (usually very badly managed as well ie Michigan).

Everything that gets taken for granted in the UK is funded by our taxes, whether it's the NHS or social housing for pregnant teens. It's still not actually free by any definition 

Being a yellow livered lefty millennial, it comes as no surprise that you don't like President Trump or what he represents. I would go as far as to say it scares the bejesus out of you probably because you expect everything to be provided for you rather than having to actually bear the responsibility yourself.

Incidentally, American citizens privately contributed more foreign aid than their government, but you won't read that in the Guardian. Nor will you be told that some of the most philanthropic people on the planet are actually a) American and b) self made 'capitalist pigs' *

No wonder so many people hate what Trump represents... 

*to coin a Socialist phrase.

I would suggest that you obtain and read Everyday Millionaires by Chris Hogan. It's also available as an audio book if reading isn't your 'thing'.

Bloody hell, yet again I agree completely with you DG, everything you say is so true!

I would also add that we (yes, as you say WE pay for it) struggle with the costs of the NHS.  Only an American President who is a  lunatic would pursue a policy of an NHS for almost 330 million people.  Obama tried with his OHC package to implement some form of universal health care for Americans, but it's costs through an insurance based system has dramatically increased as I understand, and is not sustainable from what I have read.

So, yes, to compare the NHS with Trump's policies is like comparing chalk and cheese.  On that alone he is not talking "shite".

By the way, welcome back DG. You have been missed!

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Its not even a case of WE pay for it anymore . Its gone way beyond that. What we are spending now will have to be paid for by a generation who wont even be born when we die. Which is irresponsible in the extreme.
It simply cant carry on like this. Something has to change.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

America, (Americans) voted for the President it (they) deserve. 

(Can be attributed to a certain Canadian Female Stand up Comic)

You can take that any way you like.

In the same way that London(ers) has (have) always voted for the Major it(they) deserve.   

Out of interest, did you know that there are less people living in the UK (of all nationalities) than there are without access to ANY health care at all in the USA?  That Donald thinks he shouldn't fix this before twittering shite, kind of proves what a heartless bastard he is. Don't you think? It's OOF so probably not.

Last time anyone looked, the US was not a Socialist State and nor does it pretend to be...

They have a welfare system, it's simply different to ours and everyone is supported upto the age of 18, after that, you are reasonably expected to stand on your own two feet. Also, no one is denied medical treatment, it's simply that it has to be paid for at some point and the more you can afford the better that treatment is likely to be. The better your health insurance the less you will be charged... Hardly ground breaking stuff.

You have to understand how the US is structured in order to understand how it functions, for example several states don't levy income tax, yet are amongst the best places to live in terms of services provided and quality of life whilst some of the most heavily taxed states are either amongst the smallest (ie Connecticut) or poorest (usually very badly managed as well ie Michigan).

Everything that gets taken for granted in the UK is funded by our taxes, whether it's the NHS or social housing for pregnant teens. It's still not actually free by any definition 

Being a yellow livered lefty millennial, it comes as no surprise that you don't like President Trump or what he represents. I would go as far as to say it scares the bejesus out of you probably because you expect everything to be provided for you rather than having to actually bear the responsibility yourself.

Incidentally, American citizens privately contributed more foreign aid than their government, but you won't read that in the Guardian. Nor will you be told that some of the most philanthropic people on the planet are actually a) American and b) self made 'capitalist pigs' *

No wonder so many people hate what Trump represents... 

*to coin a Socialist phrase.

I would suggest that you obtain and read Everyday Millionaires by Chris Hogan. It's also available as an audio book if reading isn't your 'thing'.

Bloody hell, yet again I agree completely with you DG, everything you say is so true!

I would also add that we (yes, as you say WE pay for it) struggle with the costs of the NHS.  Only an American President who is a  lunatic would pursue a policy of an NHS for almost 330 million people.  Obama tried with his OHC package to implement some form of universal health care for Americans, but it's costs through an insurance based system has dramatically increased as I understand, and is not sustainable from what I have read.

So, yes, to compare the NHS with Trump's policies is like comparing chalk and cheese.  On that alone he is not talking "shite".

By the way, welcome back DG. You have been missed!

Lizzie and DG sitting in a tree......K-I-S-S-I-N-G.............

[Sir Tigger KC]

They have a welfare system, it's simply different to ours and everyone is supported upto the age of 18, after that, you are reasonably expected to stand on your own two feet. Also, no one is denied medical treatment, it's simply that it has to be paid for at some point and the more you can afford the better that treatment is likely to be. The better your health insurance the less you will be charged... Hardly ground breaking stuff.

Just to add to this, they have Medicare which as I understand it looks after the medical needs of the poor, unemployed and long term sick.

Most people have medical insurance as part of their employment package and for the self employed I believe that their medical insurance costs are tax deductible in most cases.

That's not to say that the US system doesn't have it's problems.  I once met a chap who'd injured his knee in a bike accident, had successful surgery paid for by his insurance, but after that he couldn't get insurance that covered his knee.  About 5 years after the initial op, the knee got very painful and he had to remortgage his house to fund a second operation.    Although I think that legislation that was part of Obamacare addressed this. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

A trade deal with the former British colonies is the work of a moment.

1......The USA lay down their demands.

2......We agree with them 100%......job done.

It will not be a negotiation of equals.  We will be so desperate to get a deal will will do as we are told.

Trump said to May yesterday "Stick around... " 

It has clearly been noted in Washington what a soft touch negotiator she is! 

[Kevin Wood]

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That's not to say that the US system doesn't have it's problems.  I once met a chap who'd injured his knee in a bike accident, had successful surgery paid for by his insurance, but after that he couldn't get insurance that covered his knee.  About 5 years after the initial op, the knee got very painful and he had to remortgage his house to fund a second operation.    Although I think that legislation that was part of Obamacare addressed this. 

Yep, this is the problem with relying solely on insurance companies in a market economy. If you're a bad business prospect, you're oppsed, because the system exists to look after the insurance companies interests, not yours.

The happy medium probably lies somewhere between that extreme and the bottomless money-pit that treats everyone off the street with no questions asked and no obligation to form a useful part of society in return, that we have.

[STEMO]

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That's not to say that the US system doesn't have it's problems.  I once met a chap who'd injured his knee in a bike accident, had successful surgery paid for by his insurance, but after that he couldn't get insurance that covered his knee.  About 5 years after the initial op, the knee got very painful and he had to remortgage his house to fund a second operation.    Although I think that legislation that was part of Obamacare addressed this. 

Yep, this is the problem with relying solely on insurance companies in a market economy. If you're a bad business prospect, you're oppsed, because the system exists to look after the insurance companies interests, not yours.

The happy medium probably lies somewhere between that extreme and the bottomless money-pit that treats everyone off the street with no questions asked and no obligation to form a useful part of society in return, that we have.

Even if you're a committed skiver, you should still be entitled to free health care if you are genuinely ill.  The problem is that separating the genuinely ill from the wastrels is a huge problem. If we could somehow get that right, the NHS would magically have plenty of funding, and hospital places would abound.
Add to this the multitude of 'new' mental issues and you have a recipe for failure.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

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That's not to say that the US system doesn't have it's problems.  I once met a chap who'd injured his knee in a bike accident, had successful surgery paid for by his insurance, but after that he couldn't get insurance that covered his knee.  About 5 years after the initial op, the knee got very painful and he had to remortgage his house to fund a second operation.    Although I think that legislation that was part of Obamacare addressed this. 

Yep, this is the problem with relying solely on insurance companies in a market economy. If you're a bad business prospect, you're oppsed, because the system exists to look after the insurance companies interests, not yours.

The happy medium probably lies somewhere between that extreme and the bottomless money-pit that treats everyone off the street with no questions asked and no obligation to form a useful part of society in return, that we have.

Even if you're a committed skiver, you should still be entitled to free health care if you are genuinely ill.  The problem is that separating the genuinely ill from the wastrels is a huge problem. If we could somehow get that right, the NHS would magically have plenty of funding, and hospital places would abound.
Add to this the multitude of 'new' mental issues and you have a recipe for failure.

Near the top of TB's cull list, I should imagine.
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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Those who worship the NHS and claim it to be faultless would have us believe that the only alternative is the U.S. system.
The fact is that there are many variants, somewhere in between the two, used across the world.
I think we need to study them, as our current setup isn't sustainable in the long term.

[Kevin Wood]

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That's not to say that the US system doesn't have it's problems.  I once met a chap who'd injured his knee in a bike accident, had successful surgery paid for by his insurance, but after that he couldn't get insurance that covered his knee.  About 5 years after the initial op, the knee got very painful and he had to remortgage his house to fund a second operation.    Although I think that legislation that was part of Obamacare addressed this. 

Yep, this is the problem with relying solely on insurance companies in a market economy. If you're a bad business prospect, you're oppsed, because the system exists to look after the insurance companies interests, not yours.

The happy medium probably lies somewhere between that extreme and the bottomless money-pit that treats everyone off the street with no questions asked and no obligation to form a useful part of society in return, that we have.

Even if you're a committed skiver, you should still be entitled to free health care if you are genuinely ill. The problem is that separating the genuinely ill from the wastrels is a huge problem. If we could somehow get that right, the NHS would magically have plenty of funding, and hospital places would abound.
Add to this the multitude of 'new' mental issues and you have a recipe for failure.

Absolutely agreed. A UK citizen who is unable to work will be contributing to our society in other ways, but our system currently attracts healthcare tourists who don't.