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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2220 on: 31 August 2022, 19:06:40 »

Agreed.  :y
And now its biting us on the arse. Another thing we have to thank the moronic Bill Clinton for.  ::)
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« Reply #2221 on: 31 August 2022, 19:40:38 »

A great man. The world would be a better safer place today if he hadnt been ousted as Russian leader.

Replaced by the vodka-soaked Boris Yeltsin......and we all know who his golden boy replacement turned out to be. ::)

I once went to the Bolshoi Ballet in Moscow and Boris Yeltsin was also there.  :y         

1994.  :)

He had a better seat than I did though.  :-\                                                        ;D
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« Reply #2222 on: 31 August 2022, 20:40:34 »

Apparently we don't fly there any more...  ::)
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« Reply #2223 on: 31 August 2022, 21:39:39 »

A great man. The world would be a better safer place today if he hadnt been ousted as Russian leader.
The west had a chance to really engage with Russia during the period after the wall came down. But they decided it might be better to make sure that they never again became a threat which, of course, was never going to happen. A wasted opportunity, in my opinion.

                 Yes indeed quite right 👍
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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2224 on: 01 September 2022, 10:24:20 »

Bill Turnbull .... 66yrs old
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« Reply #2225 on: 01 September 2022, 11:17:18 »

Prostate Cancer, damn shame seemed a really nice fellow.
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« Reply #2226 on: 01 September 2022, 20:55:01 »

Yes, a great shame. A lovely man who has gone well before his time :'(

Hopefully the one good thing that may come out of this is that more men will check themselves as us women should check themselves for the dreaded cancer.  Perhaps more men than ever before will speak about their health fears and concerns before it is too late. ;)

RIP Bill
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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2227 on: 23 September 2022, 12:10:41 »

Dame Hilary Mantel aged 70. Author of the best selling books Wolf Hall and Bring Up The Bodies.
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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2228 on: 23 September 2022, 12:49:02 »

A little bit less hatred and poison in the world then.  ::)
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« Reply #2229 on: 23 September 2022, 12:50:52 »

Now that is a loss to the history loving community, with those two great books, plus The Mirror & The Light in particular with one that inspired a tremendous TV series, Wolf Hall.

RIP Dame Hilary :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2230 on: 23 September 2022, 13:32:41 »

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/19/hilary-mantel-interview-short-story-assassination-margaret-thatcher

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-poisonous-hilary-mantel-thatcher-haters-bbc-made/

As I said. A little bit less hatred and poison in the world today then.
And according to David Starkey - he never read her books or the TV adaptations of them, because he is a massive believer in facts.
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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2231 on: 23 September 2022, 15:55:03 »

She always looked as if she had something shoved up her arse. Maybe she did  :-\
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« Reply #2232 on: 23 September 2022, 17:13:40 »

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/19/hilary-mantel-interview-short-story-assassination-margaret-thatcher

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-poisonous-hilary-mantel-thatcher-haters-bbc-made/

As I said. A little bit less hatred and poison in the world today then.
And according to David Starkey - he never read her books or the TV adaptations of them, because he is a massive believer in facts.

The first link is about her fictional work to write about a prime minister, in this case Margaret Thatcher, being assassinated.  It was never real, but a piece of work of a type that just told about a supposed criminal act, that she would never had carried out.  She was a writer, with an imagination, like all fictional novel writers, simple as that.

As for David Starkey, if he has really never read her trilogy of novels about the Tudors, how can he pass constructive judgement. For a scholar, an historian, to say they have never read a piece of work that falls within their specialist subject is very odd and unusual.  In the academic world, before you can judge you must read and research to match the facts with any fiction.  Especially when in the 16th century there was nothing recorded as we do today, but a series of records based on how the ones who could write wanted to record what they saw as facts.  No one knows all the in's and out's of Tudor hierarchy.  For instance did Elizabeth 1 have the wife of Robert Dudley killed; did that virgin Queen actually give birth to a child?  Questions, questions, and a lot more, that historians will debate until the end of time

We know Thomas Moore quickly rose up in the favour of Henry VIII by impressing him, but then fell dramatically and fatally from grace, all outlined in Wolf's Hall, in perhaps fairly simplistic terms, compared to the complicaticated political matters, including the stubbiness of an absolute monarch, that could fill volumes.

Let's not condemn though the late Dame Hilary just because of David Starkey's opinion.Let's face it she still became a Dame because others, equally qualified, thought differently ;)

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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2233 on: 23 September 2022, 17:29:28 »

I've always enjoyed historical fiction, not because I expect them to be factual accounts of the past, but because you get a gist of what life was like back then. I enjoyed reading the Wolf Hall books and they were proper page turners, but accepted that there was a fair amount of artistic licence.  ;)

The other historical fiction writer whose books I've enjoyed is Bernard Cornwall and many of his books are set in Anglo-Saxon times.  Are they accurate depictions of life in those days? Probably not, but they are rattling good reads non the less!  :y
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Re: Dead Person
« Reply #2234 on: 23 September 2022, 18:14:49 »

I've always enjoyed historical fiction, not because I expect them to be factual accounts of the past, but because you get a gist of what life was like back then. I enjoyed reading the Wolf Hall books and they were proper page turners, but accepted that there was a fair amount of artistic licence.  ;)

The other historical fiction writer whose books I've enjoyed is Bernard Cornwall and many of his books are set in Anglo-Saxon times.  Are they accurate depictions of life in those days? Probably not, but they are rattling good reads non the less!  :y
Agree, it's fiction, pure and simple. if you want factual, go to a reference library.
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