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[goonv6]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2002-52-REG-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-CAR-CD-AUTOMATIC-TAX-MOT_W0QQitemZ200421778687QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item2eaa11a4ff

[tunnie]

everything looks facelift apart from that front bumper and bonnet   

[Welung666]

It is a 52 just with a mini-facelift bumper/headlights/grill/bonnet fitted. Be interesting to know why though?

[Andy B]

Presumably been in a front end bump. At least the repairer put the nicer prefacelift front on instead!       

[tunnie]

Presumably been in a front end bump. At least the repairer put the nicer prefacelift front on instead!       

Desperate times call for desperate measures 

[Welung666]

Just asked the seller a question....

Hi, just wondered when the car had the front end bump? Who repaired it? Thanks.

[Welung666]

Still no answer to my question

[SP_3.2]

Hmmmm Have never seen with a mix of parts as that  . At 1st i was thinking it as a set of pic of two diff cars

[Welung666]

Received an answer.....

news to me was like this when i bought it

So I replied....

Well for you information then.... The bonnet, bumper, grill and headlights are from a 1999 or older model. Check carefully around the front end as you don't want any comebacks from selling it. HTH. Lee.

[Andy B]

Received an answer.....

news to me was like this when i bought it

I bet he's a bit p'd off then, you got the same reply as I did!      

[Welung666]

Received an answer.....

news to me was like this when i bought it

I bet he's a bit p'd off then, you got the same reply as I did!      

At least he knows why it looks odd now He doesn't appear bothered though, no ammendment to the ad yet!

[Andy B]

..... ...
  He doesn't appear bothered though, no ammendment to the ad yet!

Perhaps he's hoping for another clueless prospective Omega owner to come along ......     

[Welung666]

..... ...
  He doesn't appear bothered though, no ammendment to the ad yet!

Perhaps he's hoping for another clueless prospective Omega owner to come along ......     

If the price stays about where it is I might have a go myself! I've got a facelift front end here

[alunonhisown]

Has anyone stopped to think, but it may be the blonde in me, that it could be a 1999 car, with a 02 plate on it?
Is this a possibility?

[waspy]

Has anyone stopped to think, but it may be the blonde in me, that it could be a 1999 car, with a 02 plate on it?
Is this a possibility?

No Diane. It's against the law to make your vehicle look newer than it actually is & the rest of the car's a Facelift

[Marks DTM Calib]

Has anyone stopped to think, but it may be the blonde in me, that it could be a 1999 car, with a 02 plate on it?
Is this a possibility?

Interior and boot are facelift....and the dash would be a git to change over. 

[Andy B]

.....
Is this a possibility?

 ..what onhisown says and everything else is facelift   

[goonv6]

I'm actually thinking cut and shut for this one. Me,I'd check the chassis numbers and V5 very carefully.I'd also pull down all the door rubbers and jack the car up to have a look underneath. No one in their right mind would do this a as a conversion. Who ever heard of making a car look older. Part of the reason I posted it is because people like Diane are looking for an Omega and ones like this could potentially be a death trap.

[Andy B]

...... No one in their right mind would do this a as a conversion. Who ever heard of making a car look older.  ......

It's likely to be just the bonnet & bumper that's been replaced, front wings are the same between pre-facelift & facelift. Given the choice, this is the look I'd have because I'm not that keen on the 'Astra G look' of the facelift Omegas      . The headlights will be pre-facelift too.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Headlights are also different between pre and facelift

[Selseybill]

the HPI check looks interesting.Look at the door/wing gap on the o/s

[alunonhisown]

What is an HPI check?
How does it look interesting?

[Selseybill]

What is an HPI check?
How does it look interesting?

A HPI check is where you can check the history of a car.things such as how many owners,is it on finance,has it been in a accident,has it been written off by the insurance companies etc 
To me the only reason it has a earlier front end is due to a front end crash and someone wanted a cheap fix but that's only my thoughts.

[waspy]

What is an HPI check?
How does it look interesting?

A HPI check is where you can check the history of a car.things such as how many owners,is it on finance,has it been in a accident,has it been written off by the insurance companies etc 

What does the HPI say?

[tunnie]

Has anyone stopped to think, but it may be the blonde in me, that it could be a 1999 car, with a 02 plate on it?
Is this a possibility?

As others have said, no. The interior door cards, seat, dash, boot, mirrors ect are all facelift.

I'd say it had a front end prang, and had pre-facelift bonnet, bumper, lights fitted.

[Selseybill]

put it this way,i wouldn't buy the car due to what everyone has noticed about the front customising.Try selling the car with a identity complex.It is listed as a 2002 though.to me it's worth about £50 unless the front gets put back as it should be.
If you want something half descent mines for sale on the same site.

[Broomies Mate]

put it this way,i wouldn't buy the car due to what everyone has noticed about the front customising.Try selling the car with a identity complex.It is listed as a 2002 though.to me it's worth about £50 unless the front gets put back as it should be.
If you want something half descent mines for sale on the same site.

I completely disagree.  Accident damaged vehicles are usually NOT a waste of money.  The Meega I bought recently has suffered a front end impact.  In the History, I have the full details including every part which was replaced, right down to the plastic clips etc etc.

The accident damage didn't worry me one little bit as I had evidence of who and how it was repaired.  Chances are, the front end of my car is better built than from Factory 

[tunnie]

put it this way,i wouldn't buy the car due to what everyone has noticed about the front customising.Try selling the car with a identity complex.It is listed as a 2002 though.to me it's worth about £50 unless the front gets put back as it should be.
If you want something half descent mines for sale on the same site.

I completely disagree.  Accident damaged vehicles are usually NOT a waste of money.  The Meega I bought recently has suffered a front end impact.  In the History, I have the full details including every part which was replaced, right down to the plastic clips etc etc.

The accident damage didn't worry me one little bit as I had evidence of who and how it was repaired.  Chances are, the front end of my car is better built than from Factory 

Sorry i highly doubt that, we may mock the Germans, but they know how to put cars together, and the Omega was built in Munich.

You repair was done by some lads in Bristol, accident damaged cars will affect value hugely, and Omegas are not exactly rare (despite eBay sellers claims)

You can afford to hunt around for an example that has not been messed around with.

But thats just my opinion

[Selseybill]

put it this way,i wouldn't buy the car due to what everyone has noticed about the front customising.Try selling the car with a identity complex.It is listed as a 2002 though.to me it's worth about £50 unless the front gets put back as it should be.
If you want something half descent mines for sale on the same site.

I completely disagree.  Accident damaged vehicles are usually NOT a waste of money.  The Meega I bought recently has suffered a front end impact.  In the History, I have the full details including every part which was replaced, right down to the plastic clips etc etc.

The accident damage didn't worry me one little bit as I had evidence of who and how it was repaired.  Chances are, the front end of my car is better built than from Factory 

 but has you car been rebuilt with the right model panels parts as that car ? that's the difference

[Broomies Mate]

accident damaged cars will affect value hugely

In my case it certainly did 

[tunnie]

accident damaged cars will affect value hugely

In my case it certainly did 

A 2000 Plate Facelift 3.0 Elite Omega is barley worth a grand at the best of times, i personally don't see the point.....

If it was something like a cheap BMW M5, then yes, but something thats worth a tenner on a good day  :-/ 

[Selseybill]

But would you buy a mk6 escort with a front end off a mk2.
These post are not really about damaged cars but why would someone make a car worth less by fitting a older models panels

[Broomies Mate]

I understand what you are saying Tunnie..... for me, I dont have a lot of money and do very little miles in my car (I have a company van, and a very economical 2.0 8v Cavalier Diplomat also).

I wanted a big, 'luxury' saloon for weekend trips to the south coast, or cruising up to see family in Glasgow.  Thats why I got the Omega.  I dont have £1000 to spend on one, I dont even have £500 to spend on one.

I spent half that and have got a reasonable car.  Regardless of what the car is 'worth'..... in relative terms, accident damage can be used as a bargaining tool.  If to get £200 of a cheap motor or £2,000 off an expensive one.  It's all relative.

[Selseybill]

My migs for sale and it got the right panels fitted but i was thinking of fitting a bumper off a roller on it and a set of furry dice.

[Broomies Mate]

But would you buy a mk6 escort with a front end off a mk2.
These post are not really about damaged cars but why would someone make a car worth less by fitting a older models panels

If it was cheap enough, then of course I would.  Then use the 'spare' cash to put it back to its correct way.

[tunnie]

I understand what you are saying Tunnie..... for me, I dont have a lot of money and do very little miles in my car (I have a company van, and a very economical 2.0 8v Cavalier Diplomat also).

I wanted a big, 'luxury' saloon for weekend trips to the south coast, or cruising up to see family in Glasgow.  Thats why I got the Omega.  I dont have £1000 to spend on one, I dont even have £500 to spend on one.

I spent half that and have got a reasonable car.  Regardless of what the car is 'worth'..... in relative terms, accident damage can be used as a bargaining tool.  If to get £200 of a cheap motor or £2,000 off an expensive one.  It's all relative.

£250 sounds a bargin, if its not listed as a Cat write off, crash it and make a profit 

[alunonhisown]

£250 sounds a bargin, if its not listed as a Cat write off, crash it and make a profit   


I am PMSL

[Selseybill]

I understand what you are saying Tunnie..... for me, I dont have a lot of money and do very little miles in my car (I have a company van, and a very economical 2.0 8v Cavalier Diplomat also).

I wanted a big, 'luxury' saloon for weekend trips to the south coast, or cruising up to see family in Glasgow.  Thats why I got the Omega.  I dont have £1000 to spend on one, I dont even have £500 to spend on one.

I spent half that and have got a reasonable car.  Regardless of what the car is 'worth'..... in relative terms, accident damage can be used as a bargaining tool.  If to get £200 of a cheap motor or £2,000 off an expensive one.  It's all relative.

I don't think Tunnie's saying damaged cars are worthless and i agree with you,there are some bargain damage cars out there.But when you fix them you make sure you fit the right panels and because of this the car for sale is not worth much.

[Broomies Mate]

I understand what you are saying Tunnie..... for me, I dont have a lot of money and do very little miles in my car (I have a company van, and a very economical 2.0 8v Cavalier Diplomat also).

I wanted a big, 'luxury' saloon for weekend trips to the south coast, or cruising up to see family in Glasgow.  Thats why I got the Omega.  I dont have £1000 to spend on one, I dont even have £500 to spend on one.

I spent half that and have got a reasonable car.  Regardless of what the car is 'worth'..... in relative terms, accident damage can be used as a bargaining tool.  If to get £200 of a cheap motor or £2,000 off an expensive one.  It's all relative.

£250 sounds a bargin, if its not listed as a Cat write off, crash it and make a profit 

Dont tempt me 

Seriously though, apart from a broken Solenoid to control the switchover inlet thingies on the Multi-Ram jobbies, and of course the obligatory door check-straps, I *think* I have a bargain.

[Entwood]

The important thing is the "why" .. once that is known a decision can be made ... at the moment it is just "odd" .. and potentaly "dangerous odd" - cut & shut, "risky odd" - Accident damage ....

Personally .. I'd be looking elsewhere ... 

[Selseybill]

But would you buy a mk6 escort with a front end off a mk2.
These post are not really about damaged cars but why would someone make a car worth less by fitting a older models panels

If it was cheap enough, then of course I would.  Then use the 'spare' cash to put it back to its correct way.

Must be something in the water in ristol

[webby23]

That is probably the ugliest Omega I think I have ever seen......!!!

Definately an untold story behind it and I would steer well clear......


 

[Broomies Mate]

But would you buy a mk6 escort with a front end off a mk2.
These post are not really about damaged cars but why would someone make a car worth less by fitting a older models panels

If it was cheap enough, then of course I would.  Then use the 'spare' cash to put it back to its correct way.

Must be something in the water in ristol

This is not intended to be argumentative, I can assure you.

But, what value would you put on that Omega in its original condition? = A

Now think about the price you'd pay for the car in its current condition = X

Then total the amount to put it back to its original condition. = B



If A = > X+B    then you are a winner, right?

[Selseybill]

I think you taking it wrong.If that Omega had the right panels fitted it may be worth the £400 that someone has bid but with the wrong panels fitted you would have to fork out for the right panels and paint to make it right.Also as the front end has been modified even with genuine Vx parts it would put the insurance premiums up.
There is nothing wrong with buying a damaged car as long as it's fixed properly.the question is why would want you fit a previous models panels to a newer car in the first place.the right panels probably cost the about same to buy and paint. 

[Broomies Mate]

I think you taking it wrong.If that Omega had the right panels fitted it may be worth the £400 that someone has bid but with the wrong panels fitted you would have to fork out for the right panels and paint to make it right.Also as the front end has been modified even with genuine Vx parts it would put the insurance premiums up.
There is nothing wrong with buying a damaged car as long as it's fixed properly.the question is why would want you fit a previous models panels to a newer car in the first place.the right panels probably cost the about same to buy and paint. 

I get what you are saying, but that car in the 'right' condition is worth almost treble the current £400 bid.

A Bumper would be around £40, a bonnet about £50.  A couple of headlamps £60.  Paint, £150.

If that car was to go for say £750 I think someone has got a bargain!

How on earth would those modifications increase the insurance premium?

[Selseybill]

The insurance would see the panels as modified as their not meant for that model or year of make.
Also as you state if  you can get the right panels cheap why didn't the person who fixed the car
It just makes me along with others on this site think why didn't the person who repaired the car did not use the right panels in the first place,this is the bit we think its strange and rings bells.
Say you fixed damaged cars to resale and for a living wouldn't you fix it right and not make it a hybrid

[Broomies Mate]

The insurance would see the panels as modified as their not meant for that model or year of make.
Also as you state if  you can get the right panels cheap why didn't the person who fixed the car
It just makes me along with others on this site think why didn't the person who repaired the car did not use the right panels in the first place,this is the bit we think its strange and rings bells.
Say you fixed damaged cars to resale and for a living wouldn't you fix it right and not make it a hybrid

Yep, I definitely would, especially considering the difference in the two models is considerable.

I could be wrong, but I highly doubt the difference in bumper and bonnet would make any difference to an Insurance Company.  It's not something you'd even know about if you didn't have an extensive knowledge of cars and their progression through the years.

That particular car has obviously been repaired evither wrongly or as cheaply as possible.... perhaps with second hand panels.  That still wouldn't deter me if the car tracked well non cosmetic components such as the radiator were replaced correctly.

If it goes for a low price, someone has a bargain.

Cut & Shut is pretty much out of the question........ FAR too much work getting the dash right.

I'll openly admit that the car is NOT honest.... doesn't mean to say it isnt a good buy, at the right price of course.

[I_want_an_Omega]

put it this way,i wouldn't buy the car due to what everyone has noticed about the front customising.Try selling the car with a identity complex.It is listed as a 2002 though.to me it's worth about £50 unless the front gets put back as it should be.
If you want something half descent mines for sale on the same site.

I completely disagree.  Accident damaged vehicles are usually NOT a waste of money.  The Meega I bought recently has suffered a front end impact.  In the History, I have the full details including every part which was replaced, right down to the plastic clips etc etc.

The accident damage didn't worry me one little bit as I had evidence of who and how it was repaired.  Chances are, the front end of my car is better built than from Factory 

Sorry i highly doubt that, we may mock the Germans, but they know how to put cars together, and the Omega was built in Munich.
You repair was done by some lads in Bristol, accident damaged cars will affect value hugely, and Omegas are not exactly rare (despite eBay sellers claims)

You can afford to hunt around for an example that has not been messed around with.

But thats just my opinion

Oh no it wasn't. ALL Omegas/Carltons/Senators were built in Russelsheim just outside Frankfurt. All the V6 engines for Omegas were built in Ellesmere Port. Its Mercedes that's based in Munich.

[albitz]

Not like Tunnie to get his facts wrong.  

[Andy B]

There wasn't this discussion about the incorrect panels/bumpers etc when a member here 'modified' his prefacelift car with later panels a couple of years back ........      

[Selseybill]

There wasn't this discussion about the incorrect panels/bumpers etc when a member here 'modified' his prefacelift car with later panels a couple of years back ........      

rings a bell but why only do the front to make the car look older.make a car look younger that makes sense,old no

[Broomies Mate]

There wasn't this discussion about the incorrect panels/bumpers etc when a member here 'modified' his prefacelift car with later panels a couple of years back ........      

rings a bell but why only do the front to make the car look older.make a car look younger that makes sense,old no

I personally think the front of the facelift Omega looks cack.  The side moldings and rear look much better than the earlier models.  Page 1 of this thread shows other people preferring the earlier model.

Horses for courses, surely.

[I_want_an_Omega]

Not like Tunnie to get his facts wrong.  

I know this one for a fact - I used to work for GM and visited Russelsheim many many times over a 10 year period.

Of the direct GM made stuff the other sources will be:


AR25/35 gearboxes are French

Manual gearboxes coming are Austrian.

Sparkplugs and various filters from Dunstable

Electric window mechanisms & seatbelts from Belfast

4 Cyl engines are either Australian or Austrian

Thats all I can remember - but there is lots & lots of stuff bought in from Bosch, TRW, Philips, Recaro etc ....

Hope thats of interest .........

[goonv6]

No insurance company would repair a car with older panels. cut and shuts can involve any part of a car. I've seen sawn off front chassis legs rewelded. In America, they call it a front clip

[Broomies Mate]

No insurance company would repair a car with older panels.

Insurance companies dont repair cars lol.  I worked for Zurich.  Insurance companies generally want their 'preferred' body shop to carry out repairs, but by law, they must give the option for the policy holder to get the work done at THEIR 'preferred' body shop, provided the cost involved is in the same ball park.

None of us actually know this car's history, so we are just guessing.  My guess is that it has been repaired with cheap second hand bits paid for by insurance by a body shop known by the owner of the car (at the time of the accident).  Policy holder and body shop pocket a few quid in the deal.  It happens all the time.

For the sake of a couple of quid, I might just HPI it.

[Broomies Mate]

Make & Model  Vauxhall Omega Cd Auto
VIN Check You have not performed a VIN check yet.
Engine Size 2198cc
Engine Number 31035228
First Registered 30 Nov 2002
Year Manufactured 2002
Former Keepers 3
Last Keeper Change The last recorded change of keeper occurred on 25 Jul 2009
Body 4 Door Saloon
Colour Blue
Fuel Petrol

Vehicle Checks
Colour changes There is no record of this registration being subject to a colour change.
Plate Transfer There is no record of this registration being involved in a plate transfer.
Scrapped There is no record of this registration being scrapped.
Exported There is no record of this registration being exported.
Stolen There is no record of this registration being stolen.
Stolen & Recovered There is no record of this registration being stolen & recovered.
Insurance Write-off There is no record of this registration being written-off.
Vehicle I.D. Check There is no record of this registration being subject to a Vehicle Identity Check.

Recorded Mileages

We have the following mileages recorded for this registration:

    * 122,000 miles recorded on 17 Apr 2008
    * 13,516 miles recorded on 13 Oct 2003

[zippo]

 i cant belive he didn't know the car has the wrong front end on it

[Broomies Mate]

Just a cheapy check to find out the basics.

I wonder why there is a gap between 2003 and 2008 with regards to mileage.  *pensive*

I was under the impression that this data came from the electronic MOT test shizzle.  So should have had mileage data from 2005 onwards.  Data previous (3 years of not requiring an MOT) came from Main Dealer Servicing).

[hotel21]

Interesting thread with many a diverse opinion as to how the old front end ended up on the newer car....

My personal bet is crash damage that was not done through the insurance using second hand prefacelift parts as that was all that was available cheap then sold through auction....

There is no need for 'cutting and shutting' between pre and facelifts.  All panels bolt on/off...

As to a car being repaired anywhere other than the factory being a lesser car - thats absolute and utter 'dangle berries'....           

I have been in and around the car repair business through members of my family for over 40 years, one way or another, and the attention to detail by experienced 'beaters and painters far outweighs panel fittes on a production line, IMHO !! 

Yes, the car is an ugly duckling and its the source of great merriment to those on here with knowledge of the ins and outs of the marque, but does that make it a bad car for a (certain) price??

 

[goonv6]

A valid point to a certain extent.I've had many cat D cars with no problems whatsoever. However, there are many people like Diane (onhisown) who are buying their Omegas for the first time. Someone like you or I can spot a shoddy repair from a mile off but someone less well trained? If you spotted something that you thought was wrong,you'd flag it up. The car has bids on it and may well be used to transport someone's family. At this price, the so called bargain may well be a death trap.

[hotel21]

A valid point to a certain extent.I've had many cat D cars with no problems whatsoever. However, there are many people like Diane (onhisown) who are buying their Omegas for the first time. Someone like you or I can spot a shoddy repair from a mile off but someone less well trained? If you spotted something that you thought was wrong,you'd flag it up. The car has bids on it and may well be used to transport someone's family. At this price, the so called bargain may well be a death trap.

Depending on why the panels were replaced with old.   

It can also be a potential money spinner for the buyer, if a correct price.

As you say though, depends on if you know what you are looking for.

As any car buyer knows, irrespective of experience, you pays your money and takes your chance.......

[Andy B]

.....
Someone like you or I can spot a shoddy repair from a mile off but someone less well trained?  .....

The car could have had a slow speed, low impact to the bumper and/or bonnet and the owner/repairer might have decided to fit the nicer looking front to his/her facelift Omega!       

[Andy B]

Sold ....... £719  :-/  :-/ :-/  :-/

[AlanC]

Talking about front bumpers, I bought a "mini facelift" front bumper from GoonV6 (Thanks) but it has the black plastic cover plate (left hand side top of black part) missing.  Anyone know what it is, so I don't look daft  when asking for one?  Anyone got one?

Thanks

AlanC