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[STEMO]

I notice that, in all of the noise generated by this announcement, not one article mentions a very big point that Sunak made early in his speech. That GB accounts for less than 1% of global emissions. No matter what we do, unless the big emitters do the same, it won't make even a tiny difference. This is big business screaming that it going to cost them money. No surprise there.
On the subject of cars, most of the major manufacturers have already said that they will not be producing any ICE  cars after 2030, and this policy will not change that. So......what's all the fuss about? Money, of course.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12539863/Which-car-makers-said-wont-selling-petrol-diesel-models-2030.html

[Raeturbo]

Indeed most of the big boys we’re counting their chickens before they hatched, and it’s bit them on the arse😁

[Sir Tigger KC]

I don't remember Britain's corrupt media going into hysteria mode when the EU delayed the ban on new petrol and diesel cars a few months ago? 

[Doctor Gollum]

I don't remember Britain's corrupt media going into hysteria mode when the EU delayed the ban on new petrol and diesel cars a few months ago? 

Indeed, rather lazy arsed retards.

[STEMO]

I notice that, in all of the noise generated by this announcement, not one article mentions a very big point that Sunak made early in his speech. That GB accounts for less than 1% of global emissions. No matter what we do, unless the big emitters do the same, it won't make even a tiny difference. This is big business screaming that it going to cost them money. No surprise there.
On the subject of cars, most of the major manufacturers have already said that they will not be producing any ICE  cars after 2030, and this policy will not change that. So......what's all the fuss about? Money, of course.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12539863/Which-car-makers-said-wont-selling-petrol-diesel-models-2030.html

In fact, reading through again, I'm having trouble finding any of them even mentioning damage to the planet. Purely business.

[Viral_Jim]

No difference to 15-20yrs ago when Brown promoted diesel cars. It's all about getting consumers spending on new cars. The emissions stuff is just virtue signalling.

[Rangie]

If only they'd contacted OOF we could have made it quite clear that it's all a pipe dream & it will never fuc**ng work..

[Andy B]

If only they'd contacted OOF we could have made it quite clear that it's all a pipe dream & it will never fuc**ng work..

here here! 

[STEMO]

I've heard rumours that there's been so much bile from car manufacturers that he might have to do a U turn next week. Threats of court action and withdrawal of investment.

[Sir Tigger KC]

So as usual it all turns out to be smoke and mirrors. 

In the Net Zero thread in Gen Chat we were talking about boiler manufacturers having quotas imposed on them by the government for numbers of heat pumps they will be required to sell and they will be fined £5000 for every unit under target.

Well, the car manufacturers also have a quota of EV's that they have to sell, and they will be fined £15,000 per unit under target!    Apparently by 2030 80% of their sales will have to be EV's, and despite Sunak's big announcement on Tuesday this still stands. 

Soviet tractor factories spring to mind and I don't remember voting for Britain to become a planned/command economy! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66875554

[VXL V6]

But folk will still be able to buy s/h  none ev cars after 2035 and use them ( always assuming that ulez hasnt extended to even small towns. Malaga has just announced, despite being 80% complete, that the ULEZ due Jan 24 will now be Jan 25. Thank god.

Tigger. I think you have something there about Europe. I think it makes sense to align Britain with Germany and France.anyway car industry wise.

I suspect 'per mile charging' at a much higher rate then EV's and massive hikes in road tax will force the end of ICE cars when those in charge decide it's time.

If I haven't carked it by then I might just clone someone else's plates and run around until I get caught, I mean, a nice warm cell and food with the pension being paid into the bank ready for when I get out sounds like a full proof plan!

[Sir Tigger KC]

But folk will still be able to buy s/h  none ev cars after 2035 and use them ( always assuming that ulez hasnt extended to even small towns. Malaga has just announced, despite being 80% complete, that the ULEZ due Jan 24 will now be Jan 25. Thank god.

Tigger. I think you have something there about Europe. I think it makes sense to align Britain with Germany and France.anyway car industry wise.

I suspect 'per mile charging' at a much higher rate then EV's and massive hikes in road tax will force the end of ICE cars when those in charge decide it's time.

If I haven't carked it by then I might just clone someone else's plates and run around until I get caught, I mean, a nice warm cell and food with the pension being paid into the bank ready for when I get out sounds like a full proof plan!

Sounds great, as long as you don't mind getting reamed out by 'Big Winston' every morning in the showers!   

[STEMO]

But folk will still be able to buy s/h  none ev cars after 2035 and use them ( always assuming that ulez hasnt extended to even small towns. Malaga has just announced, despite being 80% complete, that the ULEZ due Jan 24 will now be Jan 25. Thank god.

Tigger. I think you have something there about Europe. I think it makes sense to align Britain with Germany and France.anyway car industry wise.

I suspect 'per mile charging' at a much higher rate then EV's and massive hikes in road tax will force the end of ICE cars when those in charge decide it's time.

If I haven't carked it by then I might just clone someone else's plates and run around until I get caught, I mean, a nice warm cell and food with the pension being paid into the bank ready for when I get out sounds like a full proof plan!

Sounds great, as long as you don't mind getting reamed out by 'Big Winston' every morning in the showers!   

Big Manuel 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

But folk will still be able to buy s/h  none ev cars after 2035 and use them ( always assuming that ulez hasnt extended to even small towns. Malaga has just announced, despite being 80% complete, that the ULEZ due Jan 24 will now be Jan 25. Thank god.

Tigger. I think you have something there about Europe. I think it makes sense to align Britain with Germany and France.anyway car industry wise.

Now that Opel and Peugeot/Citroen are part of Stellantis, you have to include Italy. The British market isn't different enough to have different standards to Europe. That's true for everything, not just cars. It's so true, there ought to be an organisation that exists to make this easier

Do I detect the slightest hint of sarcasm?....

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

An organisation would be useful, but all thats available is a political union. You could only try and argue it is only an organisation if you also argue that the USA is only an organisation.