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[Rangie]

Just had a card from our local LR dealership inviting to test drive the new Defender, got to have a go but would I spend £30,000+ on one ? No way on earth , only bought odds & sods from them over the last few months must be desperate for sales.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I like the look of the new Defender and starting to see a few about now, so I expect it will be a winner for Land Rover. 

I've never been convinced by the Discovery 5 though, and don't see many of those around. 

Enjoy your test drive Mick! 

[Rangie]

I haven't seen any " in the flesh" over on the LR forum some new owners say that they're great  & one or two very disappointed due to bits falling off & one broke down after only a couple of hundred miles, I will book a drive & then show interest in the SVR hoping for a drive in one, that's the only other RR I would like but not at the new price 3 or 4 years down the road maybe.

[Doctor Gollum]

About the same as an other Land Rover product then

[Marks DTM Calib]

I haven't seen any " in the flesh" over on the LR forum some new owners say that they're great  & one or two very disappointed due to bits falling off & one broke down after only a couple of hundred miles, I will book a drive & then show interest in the SVR hoping for a drive in one, that's the only other RR I would like but not at the new price 3 or 4 years down the road maybe.

I have put a few k miles on them  in various trim.

I really like them, somehow they still have some old Defender feel to them yet perform and drive like a modern car.

No SV version planned, there is a V8 doing the rounds though.

Price wise, they are no more expensive than their predecessor and are selling very well.

The biggest issue we currently have is the dealer fit accessories (snorkel, side steps etc).....(plus its fully SOTA so regular software updates getting pushed)

[Rangie]

I haven't seen any " in the flesh" over on the LR forum some new owners say that they're great  & one or two very disappointed due to bits falling off & one broke down after only a couple of hundred miles, I will book a drive & then show interest in the SVR hoping for a drive in one, that's the only other RR I would like but not at the new price 3 or 4 years down the road maybe.

I have put a few k miles on them  in various trim.

I really like them, somehow they still have some old Defender feel to them yet perform and drive like a modern car.

No SV version planned, there is a V8 doing the rounds though.

Price wise, they are no more expensive than their predecessor and are selling very well.

The biggest issue we currently have is the dealer fit accessories (snorkel, side steps etc).....(plus its fully SOTA so regular software updates getting pushed)

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Drove Defenders in various guises when serving, they stood up to everything back then, a bit different now I suspect but like virtually all vehicles you can get good or bad .

[Marks DTM Calib]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

[Rangie]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

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That's hard to believe , some of the rides I've had in them you couldn't even think straight let alone talk to each other 😂

[Entwood]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

I assume here you describe a tarmac test track ... and not a track across the Plain !! 

20mph on some of those rattles your teeth that much speech is impossible, 120mph and bits would be flying off everywhere !!

[STEMO]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

Handy if you live next to an autobahn then.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

Handy if you live next to an autobahn then.

Maybe Mr DTM was talking about those pop up autobahns that appear from time to time. 

[biggriffin]

I can't see the new defender being very squadie friendly, or being converted to pinke spec. Let alone being hoofed out the back of a c130, landing with a whummp and being thrashed within an inch of its life..

[Rangie]

I can't see the new defender being very squadie friendly, or being converted to pinke spec. Let alone being hoofed out the back of a c130, landing with a whummp and being thrashed within an inch of its life..

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Neither do I, seen one rolled umpteen times restarted and driven into the hills parked up as if it was the norm.☺️

[STEMO]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

[Rangie]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

[STEMO]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

I didn't mean all 4x4's look silly, I meant the latest, shiny iterations. I'd have a 4x4 if I needed one, but it would be a workhorse, not something that cost a fortune and was never put to work. Trucks come into the same category. A fella who visits over the road has a gold Ford truck thingy, with a crew cab. He lifts the cover at the back, takes the kids pram out, and puts the cover back. What's all that about?

[Sir Tigger KC]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

I didn't mean all 4x4's look silly, I meant the latest, shiny iterations. I'd have a 4x4 if I needed one, but it would be a workhorse, not something that cost a fortune and was never put to work. Trucks come into the same category. A fella who visits over the road has a gold Ford truck thingy, with a crew cab. He lifts the cover at the back, takes the kids pram out, and puts the cover back. What's all that about?

He doesn't want the kids pram to get wet? 

[STEMO]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

I didn't mean all 4x4's look silly, I meant the latest, shiny iterations. I'd have a 4x4 if I needed one, but it would be a workhorse, not something that cost a fortune and was never put to work. Trucks come into the same category. A fella who visits over the road has a gold Ford truck thingy, with a crew cab. He lifts the cover at the back, takes the kids pram out, and puts the cover back. What's all that about?

He doesn't want the kids pram to get wet? 

Of course, silly me. But wait, wouldn't it stay dry in the boot of a car?

[TheBoy]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

Handy if you live next to an autobahn then.

Maybe Mr DTM was talking about those pop up autobahns that appear from time to time. 

I suspect he has regular access to the test track at Gaydon

[Sir Tigger KC]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

I didn't mean all 4x4's look silly, I meant the latest, shiny iterations. I'd have a 4x4 if I needed one, but it would be a workhorse, not something that cost a fortune and was never put to work. Trucks come into the same category. A fella who visits over the road has a gold Ford truck thingy, with a crew cab. He lifts the cover at the back, takes the kids pram out, and puts the cover back. What's all that about?

He doesn't want the kids pram to get wet? 

Of course, silly me. But wait, wouldn't it stay dry in the boot of a car?

He doesn't have a car.  He has a pick up.  Silly. 

[STEMO]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

I didn't mean all 4x4's look silly, I meant the latest, shiny iterations. I'd have a 4x4 if I needed one, but it would be a workhorse, not something that cost a fortune and was never put to work. Trucks come into the same category. A fella who visits over the road has a gold Ford truck thingy, with a crew cab. He lifts the cover at the back, takes the kids pram out, and puts the cover back. What's all that about?

He doesn't want the kids pram to get wet? 

Of course, silly me. But wait, wouldn't it stay dry in the boot of a car?

He doesn't have a car.  He has a pick up.  Silly. 

I'm getting worse, aren't I?   

[Rangie]

I just don't get them. People who buy them have no intention of going anywhere near a muddy field. They look a bit silly and they're really no more than a status symbol.

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I've had various 4x4s since 1987 mainly because of where we've lived and because of the journey to places of work, now I am retired I don't really need one apart from towing the caravan because of its size, but when we change it for a smaller one I'll get shot of the RR but I enjoy driving it.

I didn't mean all 4x4's look silly, I meant the latest, shiny iterations. I'd have a 4x4 if I needed one, but it would be a workhorse, not something that cost a fortune and was never put to work. Trucks come into the same category. A fella who visits over the road has a gold Ford truck thingy, with a crew cab. He lifts the cover at the back, takes the kids pram out, and puts the cover back. What's all that about?

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We've got a couple of guys in town who have huge American pick ups ( they sound awesome) but they never appear to carry anything in the back of them , as you say Steve can't see the point.

[Marks DTM Calib]

The new one is more capable than the old one, it does seem odd to be doing 120mph on the track in a Defender whilst having a conversation 

Handy if you live next to an autobahn then.

Maybe Mr DTM was talking about those pop up autobahns that appear from time to time. 

I suspect he has regular access to the test track at Gaydon

Ex V Bomber airbase and associated facilities do offer benefits

[Doctor Gollum]

Valiants?

[VXL V6]

I believe Gaydon is the Aerodrome where the famous wing spar fatigue was discovered, the aircrew heard an almighty crack and returned to Gaydon, got out of the plane, looked up at the wing and saw daylight!

My mum lived in Kineton as a youngster so seeing Valiant's at low level would have been normal in her childhood, I guess if the Cuban Missile crisis had turned the Cold War hot, Kineton would have ceased to exist having a V bomber base and the CAD either side of it.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Kineton is still Europe's biggest munitions store (although its being downsized at the moment)

[Marks DTM Calib]

Valiants?

Yes, we still have a 'Gaydon Hanger' which is now one of the vehicle workshops 

[VXL V6]

Kineton is still Europe's biggest munitions store (although its being downsized at the moment)

Aye, my Aunt's farm backs onto the site (on the side where the railway sidings are) and I drive past it two to three times a week en-route to the stables, I just hope they complete the new entrance sooner rather than later as the northbound lane of the B4100 roadworks is shaking my car to bits 

[Doctor Gollum]

Valiants?

Yes, we still have a 'Gaydon Hanger' which is now one of the vehicle workshops 

Spent holidays as a sprog to the backdrop of Victors (albeit tankers by then) and Tornados from Marham along with Jaguars from Coltishall all playing tag with the F111s an F15s from Lakenheath and Mildenhall. 

[Viral_Jim]

Have you guys seen the TFL (non) of the defender?

https://youtu.be/BtdBunnvnq4

Synopsis:
Purchased a brand new defender, took it on a rough track/light offroading, CEL comes on, off it goes to the dealer. Dealer 'fixes' the CEL but also does a software update that bricks a module that controls the cameras, new module required.

They ask for it back to shoot some footage with the car without the onboard cameras while they wait for the module. CEL reappears at the dealer on collection. Dealer can't fix, LR bring in a specialist to address the issue, that can't fix it. Car goes to a 'technical centre', they can't yet fix it and the ECU is keeping schtum about the actual cause of the fault. Total time owned, 24 days. Total time at the dealer 21 days.

I'm glad to see that JLR are really capturing the essence of the brand in the new defender and giving purchasers that authentic LR ownership experience 

[Marks DTM Calib]

You will find an example of that with very car brand and every model. Quite how they bricked a dual bank NFS module though...

[Viral_Jim]

I did wonder, particularly as I thought they all got OTA updates now, or is that not true for the good ol' US of A?

[Marks DTM Calib]

I did wonder, particularly as I thought they all got OTA updates now, or is that not true for the good ol' US of A?

Its true for USA, couple of countries don't allow it (Jordan, Egypt and a few other minor places), think at least two full campaigns have been pushed already

We are aware of a few people who make their living by producing blogs and You Tube videos about their 'bad' cars, they must be very unlucky 

[Kevin Wood]

Have you guys seen the TFL (non) of the defender?

https://youtu.be/BtdBunnvnq4

Synopsis:
Purchased a brand new defender, took it on a rough track/light offroading, CEL comes on, off it goes to the dealer. Dealer 'fixes' the CEL but also does a software update that bricks a module that controls the cameras, new module required.

They ask for it back to shoot some footage with the car without the onboard cameras while they wait for the module. CEL reappears at the dealer on collection. Dealer can't fix, LR bring in a specialist to address the issue, that can't fix it. Car goes to a 'technical centre', they can't yet fix it and the ECU is keeping schtum about the actual cause of the fault. Total time owned, 24 days. Total time at the dealer 21 days.

I'm glad to see that JLR are really capturing the essence of the brand in the new defender and giving purchasers that authentic LR ownership experience 

Still, at least he didn't end up stinking of EP90.

[New POD]

I can't see the new defender being very squadie friendly, or being converted to pinke spec. Let alone being hoofed out the back of a c130, landing with a whummp and being thrashed within an inch of its life..

I really don't think military vehicles is LR strategy.
The competion:

https://www.ivecodefencevehicles.com/Pages/Products/lmv.aspx



The parent company:

https://www.tatamotors.com/product/defence-combat-support-platforms-xenon-4x4-reccee/

[Sir Tigger KC]

For the cost of one of those the MOD could procure several of these, mount a machine gun in the back and TADA! you have a Technical Battle Wagon!                         

[Rangie]

For the cost of one of those the MOD could procure several of these, mount a machine gun in the back and TADA! you have a Technical Battle Wagon!                         

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Looks a nice bit of kit.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Just had a card from our local LR dealership inviting to test drive the new Defender, got to have a go but would I spend £30,000+ on one ? No way on earth , only bought odds & sods from them over the last few months must be desperate for sales.

Same here......as apparently I am a VIP guest.

The invitation usually coincides with the registration change when they have a shed load of 'baby killing' diesels they want to shift.

[TheBoy]

I too get regular letters telling me of never to be repeated offers.  Which surprises me, given my advice to the DP for a suitable location for his stock last time I was in my local JLR dealership.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I too get regular letters telling me of never to be repeated offers.  Which surprises me, given my advice to the DP for a suitable location for his stock last time I was in my local JLR dealership.

Yes....JLR are all heart.

[STEMO]

Got one from Vx yesterday. 0% finance, 12 months insurance, first MOT, 3 years servicing, all free. TBH, that's not a bad package, but I'd have to buy a brand new car to get it, and that will never happen.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Got one from Vx yesterday. 0% finance, 12 months insurance, first MOT, 3 years servicing, all free. TBH, that's not a bad package, but I'd have to buy a brand new car to get it, and that will never happen.

Yep.....a £20000 car will probably be worth about half that after 12 months, so your FREE MOT and servicing may prove to be more expensive than you would like.

[Doctor Gollum]

I too get regular letters telling me of never to be repeated offers.  Which surprises me, given my advice to the DP for a suitable location for his stock last time I was in my local JLR dealership.

If there's a remote possibility of hooking you into a finance deal and upselling a load of crap in the process, you could probably stop short of bending him over his desk before they take you of. the mailing list

[TheBoy]

I too get regular letters telling me of never to be repeated offers.  Which surprises me, given my advice to the DP for a suitable location for his stock last time I was in my local JLR dealership.

If there's a remote possibility of hooking you into a finance deal and upselling a load of crap in the process, you could probably stop short of bending him over his desk before they take you of. the mailing list

There is more chance of me blowing him than me buying a car, new or used, from the Milton Keynes branch of Strathstone

[STEMO]

Got one from Vx yesterday. 0% finance, 12 months insurance, first MOT, 3 years servicing, all free. TBH, that's not a bad package, but I'd have to buy a brand new car to get it, and that will never happen.

Yep.....a £20000 car will probably be worth about half that after 12 months, so your FREE MOT and servicing may prove to be more expensive than you would like.

A £20,000 car is a £16,666 car plus £3,333 VAT. A 6 month old, 5,000 mile example of the same car would probably be about £12,000.

[Doctor Gollum]

And you only get the 'free' stuff if you use their finance... Which probably requires a deposit large enough to cover the new car tax and the dealer 'fees/commissions'...

[Rangie]

Got one from Vx yesterday. 0% finance, 12 months insurance, first MOT, 3 years servicing, all free. TBH, that's not a bad package, but I'd have to buy a brand new car to get it, and that will never happen.

Yep.....a £20000 car will probably be worth about half that after 12 months, so your FREE MOT and servicing may prove to be more expensive than you would like.

A £20,000 car is a £16,666 car plus £3,333 VAT. A 6 month old, 5,000 mile example of the same car would probably be about £12,000.

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Just wouldn't consider spending anything on car purchases at the moment , we hardly use either of them now ,I put fuel in the RR this morning first time for 5 weeks  £62  that's all ,I was using around £75 a week before I retired, can't see the point in having £20-£30,000 just losing value in the garage.

[Viral_Jim]

By way of an amusing update, the channel I mentioned before is now looking for its 3rd Defender and second winch. 

https://youtu.be/mkpB8okB-xw

TBf at least one defender and winch sounds like it's down to the spanner monkeys at their local stealer. And it sounds like the JLR HQ team have been trying to do what they can from afar, but methinks running a YT channel with close to a million subs probably helps grease the wheels. 

[biggriffin]

By way of an amusing update, the channel I mentioned before is now looking for its 3rd Defender and second winch. 

https://youtu.be/mkpB8okB-xw

TBf at least one defender and winch sounds like it's down to the spanner monkeys at their local stealer. And it sounds like the JLR HQ team have been trying to do what they can from afar, but methinks running a YT channel with close to a million subs probably helps grease the wheels. 

 Not a good advert for JLR, but why did it take them 2 sooo long to explain the problems... Talk about waffling on to fill air time, was like watching QVC.

[Doctor Gollum]

They're bringing in around £8k a month from that channel and it isn't their only one 

[Viral_Jim]

 Not a good advert for JLR, but why did it take them 2 sooo long to explain the problems... Talk about waffling on to fill air time, was like watching QVC.

Simply put, the longer your YT vid, the exponentially more money you make per view.

So yes, 45-75 seconds of content crammed into 16 long minutes