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[Sir Tigger KC]

Looks like this new fangled E10 petrol (that they've been using for years in other countries!  ) might not be suitable for Omegas and you might have to use Super Unleaded instead! 

Which of course is not a problem for Lord Opti and his Signum, but the extra 10p odd a litre might be fiscally challenging for some. 

For those with older lawnmowers, it might be wise to run those on Super Unleaded as well, but maybe that will speed up the lawn mowing! 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/e10-petrol-how-will-switch-affect-your-car

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Looks like this new fangled E10 petrol (that they've been using for years in other countries!  ) might not be suitable for Omegas and you might have to use Super Unleaded instead! 

Which of course is not a problem for Lord Opti and his Signum, but the extra 10p odd a litre might be fiscally challenging for some. 

For those with older lawnmowers, it might be wise to run those on Super Unleaded as well, but maybe that will speed up the lawn mowing! 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/e10-petrol-how-will-switch-affect-your-car

It seems the 2.2 four pot Omega/Signum can't use it.

I think the mighty 2.8 V6 can.

[STEMO]

If you own an omega, you've got bigger problems than E10.

[dave the builder]

Super is about £5 a tank more than regular ,
the wallet thickness sensor in the driver's seat of an omega doesn't register fivers ,only only 10s, 20s and 50s 
My Omega demanded £85 today, but it wasn't empty empty   

I don't have to worry about depreciation though 

[ronnyd]

Filling it up tripled the value Dave.

[dave the builder]

Filling it up tripled the value Dave.

I imagine the value will drop sharply again in the next 300 miles 

[ronnyd]

Looks like this new fangled E10 petrol (that they've been using for years in other countries!  ) might not be suitable for Omegas and you might have to use Super Unleaded instead! 

Which of course is not a problem for Lord Opti and his Signum, but the extra 10p odd a litre might be fiscally challenging for some. 

For those with older lawnmowers, it might be wise to run those on Super Unleaded as well, but maybe that will speed up the lawn mowing! 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/e10-petrol-how-will-switch-affect-your-car

It seems the 2.2 four pot Omega/Signum can't use it.

I think the mighty 2.8 V6 can.

Just the 2.2 direct injection on the Zaf, Vectra and Signum. Desmond is ok as it isn't direct injection. Believe DG mentioned this as well.

[ronnyd]

Filling it up tripled the value Dave.

I imagine the value will drop sharply again in the next 300 miles 

Quickly too.  

[Doctor Gollum]

Looks like this new fangled E10 petrol (that they've been using for years in other countries!  ) might not be suitable for Omegas and you might have to use Super Unleaded instead! 

Which of course is not a problem for Lord Opti and his Signum, but the extra 10p odd a litre might be fiscally challenging for some. 

For those with older lawnmowers, it might be wise to run those on Super Unleaded as well, but maybe that will speed up the lawn mowing! 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/e10-petrol-how-will-switch-affect-your-car

It seems the 2.2 four pot Omega/Signum can't use it.

I think the mighty 2.8 V6 can.

Ill conceived scaremongering brought about by the electrically biased motorimg press

The direct injection desmond in the Vectrum struggled to run properly for long on regular unleaded from new

As alluded to elsewhere, the Omegas will probably run on Polish vodka.

The only real consideration is to either use an additive or super unleaded and leave the fuel system drained if you're goingg to be parking the car up for any time, none of which is exactly news

I haven't tried it for a while, but V  Power used to give enough of an improvement in economy as to cover the extra cost. 12p a litre might be a stretch though

[Raeturbo]

Looks like this new fangled E10 petrol (that they've been using for years in other countries!  ) might not be suitable for Omegas and you might have to use Super Unleaded instead! 

Which of course is not a problem for Lord Opti and his Signum, but the extra 10p odd a litre might be fiscally challenging for some. 

For those with older lawnmowers, it might be wise to run those on Super Unleaded as well, but maybe that will speed up the lawn mowing! 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/e10-petrol-how-will-switch-affect-your-car

It seems the 2.2 four pot Omega/Signum can't use it.

I think the mighty 2.8 V6 can.

Ill conceived scaremongering brought about by the electrically biased motorimg press

The direct injection desmond in the Vectrum struggled to run properly for long on regular unleaded from new

As alluded to elsewhere, the Omegas will probably run on Polish vodka.

The only real consideration is to either use an additive or super unleaded and leave the fuel system drained if you're goingg to be parking the car up for any time, none of which is exactly news

I haven't tried it for a while, but V  Power used to give enough of an improvement in economy as to cover the extra cost. 12p a litre might be a stretch though

. 
                Yes you will go further on a gallon of V power than ordinary petrol so not as bad as it seems.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Looks like this new fangled E10 petrol (that they've been using for years in other countries!  ) might not be suitable for Omegas and you might have to use Super Unleaded instead! 

Which of course is not a problem for Lord Opti and his Signum, but the extra 10p odd a litre might be fiscally challenging for some. 

For those with older lawnmowers, it might be wise to run those on Super Unleaded as well, but maybe that will speed up the lawn mowing! 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/e10-petrol-how-will-switch-affect-your-car

It seems the 2.2 four pot Omega/Signum can't use it.

I think the mighty 2.8 V6 can.

Ill conceived scaremongering brought about by the electrically biased motorimg press

The direct injection desmond in the Vectrum struggled to run properly for long on regular unleaded from new

As alluded to elsewhere, the Omegas will probably run on Polish vodka.

The only real consideration is to either use an additive or super unleaded and leave the fuel system drained if you're goingg to be parking the car up for any time, none of which is exactly news

I haven't tried it for a while, but V  Power used to give enough of an improvement in economy as to cover the extra cost. 12p a litre might be a stretch though

. 
                Yes you will go further on a gallon of V power than ordinary petrol so not as bad as it seems.

Does this apply to lawnmowers as well?   

[Raeturbo]

Never tried one Steve👀👍

[Marks DTM Calib]

No Omega power plants affected, in fact the only GM Europe engine impacted is the direct injection petrol as already stated 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Never tried one Steve👀👍

You don't know what you're missing Rae! 

[Raeturbo]

😂

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The expensive 'rocket fuel variant' of unleaded isn't available everywhere.

I had to drive 20 miles to find it for the Tata.

The Signum runs on any old crap.

[Nick W]

Never tried one Steve👀👍

You don't know what you're missing Rae! 

A gallon of petrol will do a lot of lawns. Although not over several months....

[dave the builder]

Never tried one Steve👀👍

You don't know what you're missing Rae! 

A gallon of petrol will do a lot of lawns. Although not over several months....

Grass still grows back even if you DO put petrol on it and burn it 

[STEMO]

The expensive 'rocket fuel variant' of unleaded isn't available everywhere.

I had to drive 20 miles to find it for the Tata.

The Signum runs on any old crap.

Maybe not in Lincolnsausageshire, but it widely available in metropolitan Barnsley.

[Rangie]

All our local petrol stations have the new fuel, Subaru is fine on it.

[Raeturbo]

I stick to Shell V power, for diesel and petrol, I won’t use anything else in any vehicles.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Diesel is good!                                                       

[Doctor Gollum]

Diesel is good!                                                       

Well I missed that memo... 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The expensive 'rocket fuel variant' of unleaded isn't available everywhere.

I had to drive 20 miles to find it for the Tata.

The Signum runs on any old crap.

Maybe not in Lincolnsausageshire, but it widely available in metropolitan Barnsley.

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It seems Barnsley is the place to be.

Fragrant desirable women, super unleaded petrol.......and deep fried mushy peas.

[Kevin Wood]

Diesel is good!                                                       

Well I missed that memo... 

Thousands of satisfied cement mixer owners can't be wrong.

[Doctor Gollum]

Diesel is good!                                                       

Well I missed that memo... 

Thousands of satisfied cement mixer owners can't be wrong.

Depends how you define satisfied I suppose... 

[dave the builder]

Diesel is good!                                                       

Well I missed that memo... 

Thousands of satisfied cement mixer owners can't be wrong.

Lister petter PH1 diesel cement mixers are so last century 

I have an electric cement mixer 
I have a B&S petrol engine i can swap the electric motor for if I wanted
but if there's no electricary on tap i can always run it off my 5KVA genny (Stephil Honda GX270 petrol) and boil a kettle at the same time 

[dave the builder]

I'm doing my part to "warm up the globe" 
sooner the better , I hate the cold 

[Raeturbo]

Lister engine the rolls Royce of mixers,,   Never ever fail, if it was very cold on site with Tudor Jenkins, I used to light a cement bag with diesel on it and swing the handle whilst holding the flame in the intake  (needed three hands🤣) it used to suck it in when you pulled the de comp lever...... sigh, those were the days☹️ Imagine a Heath and safety guy these days seeing that!

[countrywoman]

Its when you do the same to start your old diesle landy!!!
Have to run the 68 VW panel van on super now, good job its only getting used twice more this year for shows and next one is only 5 miles away!

[Rangie]

Usually try to stick with BP Ultimate diesel in the Range Rover, the previous owner said he never used supermarket fuel in it , I don't do a great amount of miles in it 5-6 thousand a year so the extra few quid doesn't make a lot of difference.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Diesel is good!                                                       

Well I missed that memo... 

Thousands of satisfied cement mixer owners can't be wrong.

The owners of 'Mr Whippy' vans are also fond of derv.

As it belches out poisonous black diesel fumes at idle some customers fail to live long enough to enjoy their 99 with 2 flakes.

[Rangie]

How about petrol mowers , will they be able to use E10 ?

[dave the builder]

How about petrol mowers , will they be able to use E10 ?

E5 or E10
just drain ALL petrol from the tank and float bowl* to winterise the machine

*some mowers don't have a float bowl ,just a diaphragm, so run till no gogo juice is left.

always fill with fresh petrol in at the start of mowing season 

[Sir Tigger KC]

How about petrol mowers , will they be able to use E10 ?

I don't think older ones can. 

We'll see in the spring when Lord Opti starts his annual My Mower Won't Start thread and it turns out he left it full of E10 all winter! 

[chrisr]

The sceptic in me wonders if they’ll just start putting the old E5 petrol in the Super Unleaded tanks and hike up the price - currently £1.50+ a litre round here. Do we have a definitive answer to whether the 2.2 can use E10 without damage?

[Doctor Gollum]

The sceptic in me wonders if they’ll just start putting the old E5 petrol in the Super Unleaded tanks and hike up the price - currently £1.50+ a litre round here. Do we have a definitive answer to whether the 2.2 can use E10 without damage?

For the 4,587,965th time...

Yes the 2.2 Omega petrol engine will run fine on it.

[Lizzie Zoom]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

[dave the builder]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

where is this "private , downhill ,180 mile long motorway" you speak of        

[Nick W]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

where is this "private , downhill ,180 mile long motorway" you speak of        

the M20 after junction 7 is good for that.


M40 north of Marlow?


Eastern end of the M5 was pretty good last time I went that way.


It's only the cameras that prevent you making progress on the M25 outside of the rush hours.

[VXL V6]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

I don't think any grade / mixture of petrol would have much if any effect in just 200 miles.

How come you only get 27.9 MPG when doing 98% motorway driving?

[Kevin Wood]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

I don't think any grade / mixture of petrol would have much if any effect in just 200 miles.

How come you only get 27.9 MPG when doing 98% motorway driving?

90 mph

That'd do it.

[VXL V6]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

I don't think any grade / mixture of petrol would have much if any effect in just 200 miles.

How come you only get 27.9 MPG when doing 98% motorway driving?

90 mph

That'd do it.

Seem to find both my 3.2's have the same fuel consumption at 'any' of the motorway speeds and it's better than that.

[Nick W]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

I don't think any grade / mixture of petrol would have much if any effect in just 200 miles.

How come you only get 27.9 MPG when doing 98% motorway driving?

90 mph

That'd do it.

Seem to find both my 3.2's have the same fuel consumption at 'any' of the motorway speeds and it's better than that.

My 3.0l was the same; constant 70 or 100mph you had to go a long way(more than a tankful of fuel, so well over 400 miles) to notice a difference in the economy.

[Doctor Gollum]

Norwich to the New Forest. 5 hours and 26.8mpg from the Barge. (Including M40/A404/M4/A34 to avoid spending 90  minutes to get from Junction 16 to 12 on the M25*).

On E10 

*the Dartford queue started at the A10.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

A couple of weeks ago. From home (near Halstead) to Red Lodge, near Thetford. Single carriageway roads to Bury St. Edmunds, then the A14 for a while.
Same return journey later that day. Only 40 miles each way, achived 30.1 mpg.
I imagine this was due in no small part to the fact that swmbo was in the passenger seat. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

where is this "private , downhill ,180 mile long motorway" you speak of        

Amazingly a good stretch of the M25 at about 1930 in the evening just past the M23 turn off……

Two black BMW’s still managed to get to well above 90 mph, changing lanes rapidly, undertaking and overtaking, go between other vehicles with just a couple of metres spare, and almost have multiple accidents with multiple vehicles.  So things on the M25 are no different!!

[BazaJT]

I've only ever achieved two things from "super duper" fuel one is less fuel for my money and the other is worse fuel consumption!

[Lizzie Zoom]

My 3.2 had a full tank of E10 and did 200 miles of 98% motorway driving, up to 90 mph and returned 27.9 mpg without issue.

No Omega requires E5 fuel in my opinion, no more than they needed super unleaded.

I don't think any grade / mixture of petrol would have much if any effect in just 200 miles.

How come you only get 27.9 MPG when doing 98% motorway driving?

Because, as usual, there were a number of occasions going clockwise past Clackets Lane, all the way past Heathrow, past the junction with the M4, we were crawling along in massive queues. So the mpg was affected badly. I have had up to 34 mpg when on empty M ways, but how often does that happen unless it is late evening and during the night (never on the M6 though!!) 

[Nick W]

I've only ever achieved two things from "super duper" fuel one is less fuel for my money and the other is worse fuel consumption!

The only car I found Super Unleaded made a noticeable difference to was my GDi Legnum. The difference was very small, and was only 'worth' the extra cost when fully loaded on long trips. So it got 5 tankfuls in the 15 months I owned it.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Im running the Boxster on super dooper and averaging 30mpg, mostly just driving around on local roads.
Manual box and pretty light in comparison to the Omega are Im sure major factors.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Im running the Boxster on super dooper and averaging 30mpg, mostly just driving around on local roads.
Manual box and pretty light in comparison to the Omega are Im sure major factors.

Wind in the hair motoring.

Except I imagine there is very little hair for the wind to blow through these days.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

You imiagine right. 
Flat cap or baseball cap to stop the sun burning my bonce. 

[Viral_Jim]

How are you finding it?

I'm seriously thinking about a convertible for next summer, something sub £5k that the gf and I can take out any sunny day, and leave in a car park without fretting about the paint getting marked etc.

Been thinking about boosters, Z4s, her suggestion was a MK1 BINI Cooper S 

[Nick W]

How are you finding it?

I'm seriously thinking about a convertible for next summer, something sub £5k that the gf and I can take out any sunny day, and leave in a car park without fretting about the paint getting marked etc.

Been thinking about boosters, Z4s, her suggestion was a MK1 BINI Cooper S 

£2k gets a nice MGF that ought to just need easy and cheap maintenance.


£500 can buy a usable car if you're careful.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

How are you finding it?

I'm seriously thinking about a convertible for next summer, something sub £5k that the gf and I can take out any sunny day, and leave in a car park without fretting about the paint getting marked etc.

Been thinking about boosters, Z4s, her suggestion was a MK1 BINI Cooper S 

I have rediscovered the love of driving since I got it. Its great fun to drive in any weather but more so with the top down.
The earlier Boxsters (986) are a bit raw, like an old fashioned sports car, which for me is great.
Later models are more refined and modern, which is exactly what I dont want.
And as long as you dont buy a complete dog, its likely to increase in value over time rather than decrease.

[iansoutham]

Other than my Escort cabriolet, all the other run on normal due. My Saff will run on alternate fill ups but that is due to the cat and the cataclean I use every 6 months. I do make V-power the last tank though if I am parking it for for a few months though.

Be wary about any additives for ethanol as some of them will damage catalytic converters in as little as 1 application, especially any with octane improvement. Other had did it in her 1993 MK3 Golf and promptly killed the cat converter in 2 tanks of fuel.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Im running the Boxster on super dooper and averaging 30mpg, mostly just driving around on local roads.
Manual box and pretty light in comparison to the Omega are Im sure major factors.

Wind in the hair motoring.

Except I imagine there is very little hair for the wind to blow through these days.

I am sure there is plenty unless he subscribes to the back, sack and crack brigade 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

There is plenty. Just very little of it on my head. It seems to grow out from my ears and nose instead now.