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[albitz]

I fixed them all just as you were going into pedantic mode steve.
I did something to my pooter a while ago which means when I type posts the print is so small I cant read what Ive written.no idea how to fix it .

[STMO999]

Stop dodging the issue then, sell your omega.

And stop discussing stuff you promised not to discuss any more.

[albitz]

Good point. ..................someone who seriously believes in the whole climate change theory and drives a v6 car which weighs the best part of 2 tonnes is a hypocrite imo.

[jereboam]

I haven't really made my mind up about the global warming issue yet. 

Most of the stories I read about it seem to be based on statistical analysis rather than hard science.  While I'm quite happy to accept the existence of the greenhouse effect (hard science), I've yet to see anything that establishes beyond doubt that the greenhouse effect is the cause of the perceived recent rise in global temperatures.  Yes, there are correlations which can be derived from the data, but I'm not aware that the science has been done to establish that there is a causal relationship between the increased levels of CO₂ in the atmosphere and the prevailing temperature. 

Such knowledge of maths as I have managed to retain since my university days indicates that this would, in fact, be well nigh impossible to prove, but I will readily concede that it may have been done - I don't keep up with the scientific journals, and rely on the press for my information.

[STMO999]

I haven't really made my mind up about the global warming issue yet. 

Most of the stories I read about it seem to be based on statistical analysis rather than hard science.  While I'm quite happy to accept the existence of the greenhouse effect (hard science), I've yet to see anything that establishes beyond doubt that the greenhouse effect is the cause of the perceived recent rise in global temperatures.  Yes, there are correlations which can be derived from the data, but I'm not aware that the science has been done to establish that there is a causal relationship between the increased levels of CO₂ in the atmosphere and the prevailing temperature. 

Such knowledge of maths as I have managed to retain since my university days indicates that this would, in fact, be well nigh impossible to prove, but I will readily concede that it may have been done - I don't keep up with the scientific journals, and rely on the press for my information.

Poor deluded fool

[albitz]

It was originally based on models which have since been very strongly ridiculed by some serious minds.The one thing these people have in common is that unlike Lizzies university lecturers etc, they are not dependant on government grants for their research and incomes so can be objective.
It would seem that it is very much a case of he who pays the piper calls the tune. The debacle at UEA recently being a classic example.

[Nickbat]

To keep refering Nick to soundbites, blogs, internet entries, etc, by various people who like to disagree with real, validated global science does not offer a meaningful argument against the FACT that our weather has changed over the last 100 years (a clue to human activity?) and is speeding towards further dramatic development.

At Canterbury University this subject has naturally been discussed, and none of these counter arguments by so called knowledgeable individuals have had their papers on the subject supported by the scientific or academic  community, at true expert level.  But I suppose you Nick will rubbish that as well!

But I suppose the dinosaurs couldn't accept massive change was on the way, and suddenly they were gone!

PS And to prove anyone can use the internet to 'prove' their argument please see the following on the Pacific Island threat:
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Andre-Vltchek/2504

 

"...none of these counter arguments by so called knowledgeable individuals have had their papers on the subject supported by the scientific or academic  community, at true expert level."

Here are 500 papers...enough for you?
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html


"...to prove anyone can use the internet to 'prove' their argument please see the following on the Pacific Island threat:
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Andre-Vltchek/2504"

I quote from Morner, who is arguably the foremost scientist on sea levels and you counter by saying anyone can use the internet prove something and go on to link to an interview with someone called Espen Ronneberg - "Climate Change Adviser" for the Secretariat of the Pacific Regional Environment Programme (SPREP). 

Lizzie, what's become of you? 

 

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As I have stated before I cannot be bothered to discuss this subject anymore on the OOF as I know that you and others Nick, maybe for all the right reasons, are so convinced the governments of the world, and the scientific community, along with those "people like me" who watch, listen, read and learn about what is happening around us, are involved in some conspiracy to con the world's population over global climate change.  Indeed I am sure you and others think I and others who believe this is very real are stupid and should be shouted down. Never forget the world's politicians have families as well and live on this planet.

As I have other channels open to me for interesting debate rather than a car forum, I will now withdraw from all discussions on the subject of climate change.  You can all believe what you like, as frankly it is not going to make any difference to how the world's leaders will act in our best interests on this matter.  
 

Lizzie, I really don't understand you at all on this. You make a great play in the post, setting out your views and yet when I dare to contradict the theories you put forward, you don't argue the points rationally, but merely refuse to discuss it any more. Odd behaviour, I would suggest, given your interest in politics.
 

It is not Nick when all I read at university, academic papers on the likes of JStor, the beliefs of the professors and doctors I encounter all believe global climate change is a very real problem, that is supported by the specialists they have academic contact with who have stated no-one has yet produced a paper for academic scrutiny to argue successfully against climatic change.  This is in a uni where us political students and our lectures freely discuss some radical political alternatives, and do not usually except anything as being "as it is", with always the thought we could do things very differently.  However, on climatic change we are all united.  It is very real and must be tackled.

But, Lizzie, I just gave you a link to over 500 papers that have been peer-reviewed!

What do you say to that?     :-?

[Dishevelled Den]

As I'm presently in a 'Northern Ireland' mood I'll refrain from issuing comment until I've composed myself.

I need more prescription drugs.

Damnation – I was doing well today.

[STMO999]

As I'm presently in a 'Northern Ireland' mood I'll refrain from issuing comment until I've composed myself.

I need more prescription drugs.

Damnation – I was doing well today.

If you have none, a bottle of scotch usually has the desired effect

[Dishevelled Den]

As I'm presently in a 'Northern Ireland' mood I'll refrain from issuing comment until I've composed myself.

I need more prescription drugs.

Damnation – I was doing well today.

If you have none, a bottle of scotch usually has the desired effect

Thanks ST, I can't drink it following a massive session many years ago.  To this day even the smell does for me.

[STMO999]

As I'm presently in a 'Northern Ireland' mood I'll refrain from issuing comment until I've composed myself.

I need more prescription drugs.

Damnation – I was doing well today.

If you have none, a bottle of scotch usually has the desired effect

Thanks ST, I can't drink it following a massive session many years ago.  To this day even the smell does for me.

That's amazing. When I was a stupid 13 year old, I drank the only stuff that was left after a party...a bottle of advocaat. Made myself very ill and to this day............

[Entwood]

The "climate" is over a billion years old and has cycled through some pretty large extremes, without man's intervention.

The thermometer is less than 450 years old  (Galileo 1593)

Data collection, of any sort, is less than 200 years old

ACCURATE data collection is less than 50 years old

All the talk of warming or not are both different theories .. as the "proof" does not exist... the data from both sides is extrapolated, and any one with any knowledge of analysis will tell you of the dangers inherent in extrapolation .... it is from the misuse of this mathematical tool that the phrase

"Lies, damned lies and statistics"

is supposed to have come.

Unfortunately both sides pounce on any "scrap" of supposed "data" that appears to support their theory, which leaves 90% of folks confused and bewildered .. which has lead, IMHO, to the present apathy. add to that the general lack of trust of Government in general .. and it is easy to see how the present ideas that "global Warming" is a way of raising taxes has become the perception.

Remember .. perception and truth have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and the politicians are only after influencing "perception".

Cynical view I know ....

[Dishevelled Den]

As I'm presently in a 'Northern Ireland' mood I'll refrain from issuing comment until I've composed myself.

I need more prescription drugs.

Damnation – I was doing well today.

If you have none, a bottle of scotch usually has the desired effect

Thanks ST, I can't drink it following a massive session many years ago.  To this day even the smell does for me.

That's amazing. When I was a stupid 13 year old, I drank the only stuff that was left after a party...a bottle of advocaat. Made myself very ill and to this day............

Yep, also with gin and vodka - what the hell was I thinking then?

[alfie]

Hello Endwood,Read your posting and could not fault you,you really hit the nail on the head.
there is NO PROOF of Global warming,this goverment are acting like scam mechants,tax us us to to death on a non extinctant threat.
              Alfie.

[Entwood]

Hello Endwood,Read your posting and could not fault you,you really hit the nail on the head.
there is NO PROOF of Global warming,this goverment are acting like scam mechants,tax us us to to death on a non extinctant threat.
              Alfie.

There is also NO PROOF that global warming is NOT taking place ... as I said .. 2 sides to every coin.. neither are proved in this case IMHO