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Title: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 12:12:47
The cambelt is due on my Mondeo and I'm considering doing it myself.  ::)  :-\  There are a few good guides and it looks reasonably straight forward, although the reality will probably be very different!  ::)  ;D

Due to space limitations, it's recommended to have a decent impact wrench, so I'm looking for recommendations!  :)

TIA!  :y
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 12:14:17
The cambelt is due on my Mondeo and I'm considering doing it myself. ::)  :-\  There are a few good guides and it looks reasonably straight forward, although the reality will probably be very different!  ::)  ;D

Due to space limitations, it's recommended to have a decent impact wrench, so I'm looking for recommendations!  :)

TIA!  :y


Is this wise? :)
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 12:22:28
Not at all, but I've never been noted for my wisdom.  ;D

Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 12:50:40
Not at all, but I've never been noted for my wisdom.  ;D


Something we share in common. :)
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 13:31:17
If I do it, I fully expect it to be a complete PITA, and I'll spend the entire time doing it regretting not taking it to the garage.  ;D

It'll be about 400 notes for the cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt and tensioner, supplied, fitted and VAT at a local garage.  I can get the parts for less than 150 or less than 200 for genuine ford bits.  Tempting.  :)

Then with the money saved I can buy an Impact wrench which I'll always have.  :y
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 13:34:30
If I do it, I fully expect it to be a complete PITA, and I'll spend the entire time doing it regretting not taking it to the garage.  ;D

It'll be about 400 notes for the cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt and tensioner, supplied, fitted and VAT at a local garage.  I can get the parts for less than 150 or less than 200 for genuine ford bits.  Tempting.  :)

Then with the money saved I can buy an Impact wrench which I'll always have.  :y
At least you'll have the beemer to fall back on when you break the mondeo. And think of the laugh you'll give the lads at the garage when they have to recover it to finish the job.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 13:35:38
If I do it, I fully expect it to be a complete PITA, and I'll spend the entire time doing it regretting not taking it to the garage.  ;D

It'll be about 400 notes for the cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt and tensioner, supplied, fitted and VAT at a local garage.  I can get the parts for less than 150 or less than 200 for genuine ford bits.  Tempting.  :)

Then with the money saved I can buy an Impact wrench which I'll always have.  :y
At least you'll have the beemer to fall back on when you break the mondeo. And think of the laugh you'll give the lads at the garage when they have to recover it to finish the job.

Yes and Yes.  ;D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: omegod on 08 September 2018, 16:44:20
If going cordless you'll need to spend a few hundred on one to get a crank bolt off but clarkes corded one is nearer £50 and is reputed to be a big hitter
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 September 2018, 17:24:44
If I do it, I fully expect it to be a complete PITA, and I'll spend the entire time doing it regretting not taking it to the garage.  ;D

It'll be about 400 notes for the cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt and tensioner, supplied, fitted and VAT at a local garage.  I can get the parts for less than 150 or less than 200 for genuine ford bits.  Tempting.  :)

Then with the money saved I can buy an Impact wrench which I'll always have.  :y
At least you'll have the beemer to fall back on when you break the mondeo. And think of the laugh you'll give the lads at the garage when they have to recover it to finish the job.

Optimistic?

His BMW is older than Moses. One of the last Victorian German cars still running. ;)

Of course, the mighty Signum is above anything as crude as a belt. :)
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 18:01:20
If I do it, I fully expect it to be a complete PITA, and I'll spend the entire time doing it regretting not taking it to the garage.  ;D

It'll be about 400 notes for the cambelt kit, water pump, aux belt and tensioner, supplied, fitted and VAT at a local garage.  I can get the parts for less than 150 or less than 200 for genuine ford bits.  Tempting.  :)

Then with the money saved I can buy an Impact wrench which I'll always have.  :y
At least you'll have the beemer to fall back on when you break the mondeo. And think of the laugh you'll give the lads at the garage when they have to recover it to finish the job.

Optimistic?

His BMW is older than Moses. One of the last Victorian German cars still running. ;)


Of course, the mighty Signum is above anything as crude as a belt. :)

And it runs very well too thank you!  :y
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 18:05:14
If going cordless you'll need to spend a few hundred on one to get a crank bolt off but clarkes corded one is nearer £50 and is reputed to be a big hitter

Someone said on the TalkFord forum that they couldn't get the crank bolt off with a cordless Clarke impact wrench that they had bought for the job.  ::) 

Hence my request for recommendations, but instead I get Lord Opti and Uncle STEMO weighing in with the piss take!  ::) 

I guess the day care centre is closed on a Saturday!  :-\                                                          ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 September 2018, 18:13:30
I bought one of these last year

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/18v-lithium-plus-impact-wrench-kit

Yes, its not cheap
Yes, you will have to buy the battery and a charger separate if you haven't got one.

But if your looking at replacing your battery power tools in the future, its worth it because one you have a charger and battery, you just need to buy the tool as and when.


Must say, its had some serious use (suspension / bearings ect) but its never failed to undo anything  :y

Also shop around because some shops really take the piss  :(
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 19:30:34
If going cordless you'll need to spend a few hundred on one to get a crank bolt off but clarkes corded one is nearer £50 and is reputed to be a big hitter

Someone said on the TalkFord forum that they couldn't get the crank bolt off with a cordless Clarke impact wrench that they had bought for the job.  ::) 

Hence my request for recommendations, but instead I get Lord Opti and Uncle STEMO weighing in with the piss take!  ::) 

I guess the day care centre is closed on a Saturday!  :-\                                                          ;D ;D ;D
Noooooooo......that's me being helpful, you'd know about it if I was taking the piss.   ;D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Viral_Jim on 08 September 2018, 19:55:20
I bought one of these last year

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/18v-lithium-plus-impact-wrench-kit

Yes, its not cheap
Yes, you will have to buy the battery and a charger separate if you haven't got one.

But if your looking at replacing your battery power tools in the future, its worth it because one you have a charger and battery, you just need to buy the tool as and when.


Must say, its had some serious use (suspension / bearings ect) but its never failed to undo anything  :y

Also shop around because some shops really take the piss  :(

On batteries, if going down this route, pick up a big (4.0ah plus) battery as the smaller 1-2ah ones limit the performance of these tools.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 21:07:21
I bought my Makita drill a few years ago with the thought that any further cordless tools I bought would be body only Makitas.  :y

Then Makita went and changed their batteries!  >:(  ::)
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: STEMO on 08 September 2018, 21:18:04
I bought my Makita drill a few years ago with the thought that any further cordless tools I bought would be body only Makitas.  :y

Then Makita went and changed their batteries!  >:(  ::)
Bastards!!  ;D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: tunnie on 08 September 2018, 21:33:09
Keep meaning to treat myself to one, but I find breaker bar good enough for the big jobs. Tough to justify the cost. More of a luxury item for me.  :(
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 September 2018, 22:07:26
Keep meaning to treat myself to one, but I find breaker bar good enough for the big jobs. Tough to justify the cost. More of a luxury item for me.  :(

I'm trying to justify the cost with the money I'll save doing the Mondeo's cambelt myself.  ::)

I can see how it would be handy in a tight spot where it's difficult to swing a breaker bar though. I was looking at the diff on the BMW today and taking the fill and drain plugs out would be so much easier with an impact wrench.  :y

Then I've a fencing job to do where I'll need to use some long coach bolts and banging them in with an impact wrench would be a piece of P, compared to using a ratchet!  :y
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Viral_Jim on 08 September 2018, 23:15:51
I've just treated myself to a new Makita drill and impact driver plus 2 X 5ah batteries (£50 off in sale plus 30% staff discount - rude not to  ;D). Came to about £130 after selling off my old Ryobi kit.

This will get bought as soon as I have half an excuse  ;D
http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=232580756520&category=184655&pm=1&ds=0&t=1530574860000&ver=0&cspheader=1 (http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=232580756520&category=184655&pm=1&ds=0&t=1530574860000&ver=0&cspheader=1)

That said, for not a lot more you could probably get an air setup  :-\
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 September 2018, 00:50:26
Buy it quickly Jimmy before the bastards change their batteries again!  ;D

Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: STEMO on 09 September 2018, 07:08:09
I've just treated myself to a new Makita drill and impact driver plus 2 X 5ah batteries (£50 off in sale plus 30% staff discount - rude not to  ;D). Came to about £130 after selling off my old Ryobi kit.

This will get bought as soon as I have half an excuse  ;D
http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=232580756520&category=184655&pm=1&ds=0&t=1530574860000&ver=0&cspheader=1 (http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=232580756520&category=184655&pm=1&ds=0&t=1530574860000&ver=0&cspheader=1)

That said, for not a lot more you could probably get an air setup  :-\
The 'extra-high max tightening torque' will come in handy for wheel nuts if you ever get a job at a garage.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: biggriffin on 09 September 2018, 10:47:49
The German supermarket, had windy guns for £16.99 about two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 September 2018, 11:18:15
The German supermarket, had windy guns for £16.99 about two weeks ago.

Saw those, but they were air guns so I'd need a compressor and all the kit.  :-\

Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 September 2018, 11:28:57
I quite like the look of the Ryobi that TG pointed too earlier and although it's still a bit more than I wanted to spend,  this (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ryobi-ONE-R18IW3-120S-18V-400Nm-Impact-Wrench-with-2-0Ah-Battery-Super-Charge/183360632941?epid=11017412364&hash=item2ab125386d:g:ehwAAOSwGL1bZb18) seems a reasonable price as it includes battery and charger.  :)

Thanks for the tip Mr Gonads!  :y
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: johnnydog on 09 September 2018, 12:30:23
Having used cordless tools regularly, heavy drain tools such as this, or cordless circular saws and angle grinders etc, really need 4 or 5 ah batteries. 2 ah will work ok, but you need two or three so that one is always charging whilst you're working, otherwise you will run of of battery power. Cordless drills or impact drivers seem to be ok with 2 ah in my experience but I would still have at least two available whilst using them.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: TheBoy on 09 September 2018, 14:20:38
a cordless Clarke impact wrench
That 24v PoS, like the Sealey one from the same chinky factory, wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding...   ...I foolishly bought a 2nd one after being convinced that the first was just faulty, as its claimed to be 450Nm.

My little DeWalt 200Nm 18v one is far more powerful by some margin, and if that doesn't get a wheelnut off, I know I need the scaffold bar and some Weetabix.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: deviator on 10 September 2018, 08:15:49
I've got one of these below. Superb bit of kit.
https://www.kielder.co/
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: aaronjb on 10 September 2018, 08:34:38
If going cordless you'll need to spend a few hundred on one to get a crank bolt off but clarkes corded one is nearer £50 and is reputed to be a big hitter

Someone said on the TalkFord forum that they couldn't get the crank bolt off with a cordless Clarke impact wrench that they had bought for the job.  ::) 

Yes, but he said corded, not cordless ;) (Or "mains powered" in normal person English ;D )
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 September 2018, 11:02:31
I quite like the look of the Ryobi that TG pointed too earlier and although it's still a bit more than I wanted to spend,  this (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ryobi-ONE-R18IW3-120S-18V-400Nm-Impact-Wrench-with-2-0Ah-Battery-Super-Charge/183360632941?epid=11017412364&hash=item2ab125386d:g:ehwAAOSwGL1bZb18) seems a reasonable price as it includes battery and charger.  :)

Thanks for the tip Mr Gonads!  :y



No worries but as Jimmie said earlier, buy the largest battery you can afford because it does make a difference.
I purchased a small 1.3 and later a 5aH battery.

Also I don't know if your on arsebook but I picked up on of these ..................
https://uk.ryobitools.eu/power-tools/planing-and-routing/planers/cpl180/cpl180mhg/

Local, complete with a good blade fitted, spare blade, all the tools and in as new condition for 25 quid yesterday so once you start collecting, its worth looking out for bargains like this  :y
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2018, 13:33:06
a cordless Clarke impact wrench
That 24v PoS, like the Sealey one from the same chinky factory, wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding...   ...I foolishly bought a 2nd one after being convinced that the first was just faulty, as its claimed to be 450Nm.

My little DeWalt 200Nm 18v one is far more powerful by some margin, and if that doesn't get a wheelnut off, I know I need the scaffold bar and some Weetabix.

How much was that roughly?

This looks reasonable...

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/ryobi-1-r18iw3l13s-3-speed-impact-wrench-kit/ (https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/ryobi-1-r18iw3l13s-3-speed-impact-wrench-kit/)

Hummm, Christmas is coming up.  :D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 September 2018, 14:24:05
I linked to the same Ryobi impact wrench above with a 2ah battery for £72 less.  ::)

Pay attention Tunnie!  ;D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Viral_Jim on 10 September 2018, 14:48:19

This looks reasonable...

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/ryobi-1-r18iw3l13s-3-speed-impact-wrench-kit/ (https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/ryobi-1-r18iw3l13s-3-speed-impact-wrench-kit/)

Hummm, Christmas is coming up.  :D

I would honestly buy the bare unit and a 4-5.0ah battery + charger. The mistake a lot of people make when looking at these is that they link battery size to only longevity per charge. The issue is that the bigger batteries can also discharge more power more quickly. So unless you go for a big battery, you won't get close to the quoted torque specs.  :y

EDIT:

Buying them direct from ryobi and seperately will give you a 5.0ah, charger and the windy gun, and a saving of £32.  :y
https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-bcl1418h-rb18l50-battery-charger-kit-c2x19001307 (https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-bcl1418h-rb18l50-battery-charger-kit-c2x19001307)
https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-r18iw3-one-18v-impact-wrench-c2x17772163 (https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-r18iw3-one-18v-impact-wrench-c2x17772163)
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2018, 15:29:51
I linked to the same Ryobi impact wrench above with a 2ah battery for £72 less.  ::)

Pay attention Tunnie!  ;D

 :-[ :-[ :-[

Sorry
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 September 2018, 17:00:48
I would honestly buy the bare unit and a 4-5.0ah battery + charger. The mistake a lot of people make when looking at these is that they link battery size to only longevity per charge. The issue is that the bigger batteries can also discharge more power more quickly. So unless you go for a big battery, you won't get close to the quoted torque specs.  :y

EDIT:

Buying them direct from ryobi and seperately will give you a 5.0ah, charger and the windy gun, and a saving of £32.  :y
https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-bcl1418h-rb18l50-battery-charger-kit-c2x19001307 (https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-bcl1418h-rb18l50-battery-charger-kit-c2x19001307)
https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-r18iw3-one-18v-impact-wrench-c2x17772163 (https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-r18iw3-one-18v-impact-wrench-c2x17772163)

Looks good Jimmy!  :y  The more we talk about this, the more expensive it's getting!  ;D
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2018, 17:02:52
I would honestly buy the bare unit and a 4-5.0ah battery + charger. The mistake a lot of people make when looking at these is that they link battery size to only longevity per charge. The issue is that the bigger batteries can also discharge more power more quickly. So unless you go for a big battery, you won't get close to the quoted torque specs.  :y

EDIT:

Buying them direct from ryobi and seperately will give you a 5.0ah, charger and the windy gun, and a saving of £32.  :y
https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-bcl1418h-rb18l50-battery-charger-kit-c2x19001307 (https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-bcl1418h-rb18l50-battery-charger-kit-c2x19001307)
https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-r18iw3-one-18v-impact-wrench-c2x17772163 (https://www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-r18iw3-one-18v-impact-wrench-c2x17772163)

Looks good Jimmy!  :y  The more we talk about this the more the prices go up!  ;D

Humm, £180. That is quite good.

Tempted.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2018, 17:24:28
a cordless Clarke impact wrench
That 24v PoS, like the Sealey one from the same chinky factory, wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding...   ...I foolishly bought a 2nd one after being convinced that the first was just faulty, as its claimed to be 450Nm.

My little DeWalt 200Nm 18v one is far more powerful by some margin, and if that doesn't get a wheelnut off, I know I need the scaffold bar and some Weetabix.

How much was that roughly?

This looks reasonable...

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/ryobi-1-r18iw3l13s-3-speed-impact-wrench-kit/ (https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/ryobi-1-r18iw3l13s-3-speed-impact-wrench-kit/)

Hummm, Christmas is coming up.  :D
Naked, about £80 IIRC.

Its a smaller bodied one, which means easier to get into tighter spaces, and far easier to hold. It has a variable trigger, which is a million times better than the on/off types.  Far more powerful in the real world than the Clarke/Sealey/Chinese nobrand ones.

If I needed one more powerful, the only large style one I'd consider is the Snap-off one.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2018, 17:33:50
Obselete now, but think this is the one I have

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-DeWalt-DC820-Impact-Wrenches/dp/B00I9F7FOW

I run it off 2Ahr nicads IIRC. NiCads have the ability to give more punch than Lithiums, at the expense of running time, but if I was buying a new set now, I think I'd strongly consider Lithium tech.

Given the decent prices (they are always on a good offer somewhere), and my experiences with the rest of my matching set (XRP drill, right angle drill, DC825 impact screwdriver, leccy screwdriver, impact gun, torch etc), Posh wank&decker (DeWalt) would be near the top of my list.  Though they do some shite as well, like the plastic chucked drills that shitfix pile high and sell cheap, which aren't a patch on the real stuff.
Title: Re: Impact Wrench
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 September 2018, 18:03:35
I see what you mean TB about the larger and smaller bodies on these tools, and it would be just my luck to find that I'd spent a lot of cash to find I couldn't fit it in the available space when I got to do the cam belt.  ::)  :-\