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Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« on: 17 January 2016, 14:30:04 »

I recently bought an Elite with oil cooler failure, after seeing it discussed in the "Where to buy a decent Elite" thread. I couldn't view, as I was abroad, so decided to take a punt due to it being very local and buy it unseen.

I bid, on the basis that I might get burnt, and adjusted the amount accordingly, working on the principle that if it's a total heap, I could recover my costs breaking it. I won the auction for £320.

The car was delivered yesterday. It was advertised as having head gasket failure. Having had a look I can see that it's classic oil cooler failure - there are traces of oil in the coolant tank, but none on the dipstick.

Apart from some rust creeping into the arches which is only just about visible without kneeling down and looking by the wheel, the body is immaculate, I cannot see a mark on it. It's covered in crap having sat for two years, but my gut feeling is that I could bring that paintwork up really, really nicely.

The interior, whilst is a bit dirty in places, would come up very nicely indeed with a clean, the leather is not excessively worn. The drivers doorcard is poor, but I have a spare in good nick.

102,000 miles. No MOT. No advisories on the last one, aside of tyres and exhaust, which I don't count because they are consumables.

The battery is as dead as a dodo, to be expected having sat so long. I will try a charge but don't hold up much hope, I think it'll need replacing.

When jump started (to move it off the truck onto the drive) it started OK. The emissions light immediately began flashing, and it was idling as rough as a badgers. Definitely misfiring. It also cut out once on the drive. I think the reality is it was struggling due to the battery having literally, nothing. The ABS and TC lights flickered and the dash did funny things.

I ran it again briefly this morning. It immediately began missing and the light flashing. The codes were 0300 (Random misfire) and 0301 - misfire cylinder one. Once given a gentle rev, the misfire seemed to clear and was only then intermittent, with the odd "pop" through the exhaust. I didn't run it for long at all, as I don't want to cause more oil cooler contamination.

The seller describes the "cats being blown through". This isn't the case at all. My gut feeling is the cats are absolutely fine - it would appear that the centre exhaust section is hanging on by a thread. It's simply an exhaust blow, not a cat problem.

Two tyres have a fair bit of life left in them. Two need replacing before the MOT. The fronts are SLIGHTLY more worn on the inner edges, but there's no telling if this has happened over a long period of time or not.

My gut feeling is that this car can be saved with a little TLC but I'd appreciate thoughts from others here. I don't want to throw good money after bad.

The 246 camcover gasket appears to be smoking when it got warm. I suspect both sides will need doing.

I suspect plug wells are probably full of oil, but haven't checked yet, or equally with water, from being stood so long with scuttle drains blocked.

If I'm honest my biggest fear is the rear arches and the fact they are starting to go. I'd like advice on what realistic and cost effective measures could be done to, ideally restore them, but at least, stop them getting any worse.

I also noticed a slight air leak in the servo pipe, which is detectable by feel / sound, which might be making the idle a little poor.

To make the car good, it will need

Oil Cooler
Cam Cover Gaskets
Cambelt Kit
Auxiliary Belt
Brake overhaul + maybe new brakes
2 x tyres
Geometry and probably wishbones
Rear arches looking at
Cat back exhaust
Battery
3 or 4 short oil changes and filter
Spark Plugs
Maybe coil packs - or maybe the existing ones are ok, I could look to put them in the airing cupboard etc.
New MOT

What are the thoughts?

Worth fixing, being a 3.2 Elite with, (aside of the arches) excellent bodywork?

To finish on a high... I forgot how bloody good BOSE sound is :y :y



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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #3 on: 17 January 2016, 14:54:07 »

Definitely worth saving. 3.2 elites are getting thin on the ground now, and with your know how it will all get done for the cost of the parts.
Difficult to tell from photos, but if your lucky the arches may just need some good quakity rust treatment (such as Bilthamber) and then painting.
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #4 on: 17 January 2016, 15:09:55 »

My arches were in a similar state 4 years ago and I ground them down to bare metal, gave them a couple of coats of rust treatment and mixed up some Hammerite 'Nearly Nocturno Blue'  ;)  They have lasted well  :y,  but I'll probably do them again in the summer as the bubbles are starting to reappear....  :(
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #5 on: 17 January 2016, 15:20:19 »

Save it, spend loads on getting it into A1 condition then I will buy it when you sell it. Usual price £700 delivered.
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #6 on: 17 January 2016, 16:50:07 »

Should make a decent car when sorted, James. :y
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #7 on: 17 January 2016, 18:04:55 »

Fix it of course - It's a 3.2!

Just one point, if it hasn't moved for two years, I think I'd be inclined to put new tyres on it once it's up and running personally, especially if it's sat stationary and the tyres have been flat.
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #8 on: 17 January 2016, 18:07:51 »

Number of years ago that would make a good project to turn around, these days project like that is only good as a keeper.

Looks solid overall, should come up well.  :y

But will you keep it long enough? Don't you still have the 530d?
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #9 on: 17 January 2016, 18:11:07 »

All the tasks you list, with the possible exception of the rust treatment, come under "routine maintainance" for an omega owner, and you will do all of them far better than any garage, and at a much lower cost. The rust treatment is becoming more common as the cars get older, and again, is well within your capabilities.

You paid little for the car, the total cost of parts for fixing it is less than £500 at a guess...  so for a total outlay of around £800 you will have a mechanically and bodily sound, and sought after, motor, which you can either sell on at a premium as it will be a "sorted" car, or keep for a fair few years as an enjoyable drive. ....  or you can sort it and then let me have it cheap ....   :)
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #10 on: 17 January 2016, 18:19:51 »

Is it me or is drivers footwell soaking wet,may just be a shadow but heater matrix change would add to an already longish list!
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #11 on: 17 January 2016, 18:22:35 »

Is it me or is drivers footwell soaking wet,may just be a shadow but heater matrix change would add to an already longish list!

Even if it is wet, that'll be due to the eleventy tree's stuck in the scuttle drains.  :y
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #12 on: 17 January 2016, 18:38:26 »

Get it fixed up you big soft girl.  :y

I may be biased as it seems to be the same colour as my Special...
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #13 on: 17 January 2016, 18:42:25 »

Number of years ago that would make a good project to turn around, these days project like that is only good as a keeper.

Looks solid overall, should come up well.  :y

But will you keep it long enough? Don't you still have the 530d?

James ,  IMO ,   What Tunnie says is the important question here . Do whats needed, but only if it's going to be "your" omega to keep for a decent  time .

You are in a good position ,  as all the mechanical work can be done by you. Just got to buy the parts & find the time . Elbow grease , spit & polish comes mostly free. Arches will I presume need specialist attention , but in your case this will be the only job you will paying somebody to do . As a "keeper" a very worthwhile project ,as you will  know all the usual Omega "issues" will have been sorted  . . . but as a "sell on at a profit after it has been done" forget it , you will lose money  . . . & quite a bit I would say  ::)

wish you well with it , if I were in your position , I  would do it . . .     then keep it   :y
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Re: Ebay Elite. Project or Money Pit?
« Reply #14 on: 17 January 2016, 18:48:59 »

I never bought this under the illusion I would make any money.

With all the hours I would put in TLC wise to get it right, I'd never recover anywhere near the outlay in parts and time. The intention was certainly not a money spinner....

Moreso that I seem to have this strange problem, whereby if I don't have an Omega to tinker with, I am not a happy chappy!!  :y
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