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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: tigers_gonads on 25 May 2018, 14:45:50

Title: Brakes
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 May 2018, 14:45:50
The front brake pads and callipers are now sorted  :y
Back wheels coming off in morning (weather permitting) to do anything needed then i'm going to push through some new fluid.

Question is .............. what order do I bleed ?
Also, engine off or running ?
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 May 2018, 14:48:47
NSR, OSR, NSF, OSF.

And keep the fluid level high or you'll have to do the clutch as well ::)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 May 2018, 14:50:38
NSR, OSR, NSF, OSF.

And keep the fluid level high or you'll have to do the clutch as well ::)




Yup  :y

Engine on or off ?
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Andy B on 25 May 2018, 15:15:18
NSR, OSR, NSF, OSF.

And keep the fluid level high or you'll have to do the clutch as well ::)




Yup  :y

Engine on or off ?

I've always done it engine off.
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 May 2018, 15:32:55
Come to think about it, so have I  ::) ;D

Okay, thanks lads  :)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 25 May 2018, 15:54:38
It doesn't really make any difference when the vehicle has a 4 channel ABS system, any order will work
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Andy B on 25 May 2018, 17:38:32
It doesn't really make any difference when the vehicle has a 4 channel ABS system, any order will work

Agreed. But IIRC Mr Haynes suggests 2 different orders to bleed depending on age of vehicle ie. 3 or 4 channel ABS.
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 May 2018, 23:01:57
As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point ;)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Andy B on 25 May 2018, 23:19:46
As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point ;)

Is that on a 3 or 4 channel ABS system?   ::)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 May 2018, 23:34:36
Worked on every car I have changed the brake fluid on...

And some of those have even had a proper gearbox :P
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Andy B on 25 May 2018, 23:43:10
...

And some of those have even had a proper gearbox :P

2 pedals then .....  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Nick W on 26 May 2018, 00:10:47
As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point ;)

Is that on a 3 or 4 channel ABS system?   ::)


it's on everything. Twice around the car is normally enough to get a decent pedal after fitting a new master cylinder or most of the brake pipes.
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: tigers_gonads on 26 May 2018, 11:07:42
IIRC, all mini and facelift omegas have 4 channel ABS.
The pfl cars rear sensor was on the diff so their 3 channel  :-\

So the answer is ...........
Any order
A couple of squirts each nipple
And don't let it drop too far or i'll end up breading the clutch too  ::)

Thanks  :-*
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Nick W on 26 May 2018, 11:20:41
IIRC, all mini and facelift omegas have 4 channel ABS.
The pfl cars rear sensor was on the diff so their 3 channel  :-\

So the answer is ...........
Any order
A couple of squirts each nipple
And don't let it drop too far or i'll end up breading the clutch too  ::)

Thanks  :-*


no, you bleed each nipple until you see plenty of clean, airless fluid. This can take a while if you've fitted a new master cylinder or long brake pipe.
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: tigers_gonads on 26 May 2018, 11:31:38
IIRC, all mini and facelift omegas have 4 channel ABS.
The pfl cars rear sensor was on the diff so their 3 channel  :-\

So the answer is ...........
Any order
A couple of squirts each nipple
And don't let it drop too far or i'll end up breading the clutch too  ::)

Thanks  :-*


no, you bleed each nipple until you see plenty of clean, airless fluid. This can take a while if you've fitted a new master cylinder or long brake pipe.




Nothings been changed Nick.
The brakes have never been particularly good with a soft pedal.
I had to stand on the brakes last week due to some dickhead on a bike, all in black with no lights pulling across me while doing 40 ish  :-X.
The car stepped sideways for a second until I relesed some brake pressure.
Upto now i've found pads which was half worn and a seized slide on the passenger side  :(

When Serek swapped the slush box for a proper one a couple of years ago, he mentioned that the fluid was shite and needed changing  :(
2 years and 12K miles later, i'm finally getting around to it  :-[
Hopefully fresh fluid in the callipers which hasn't been boiled should get rid of the spongy pedal  :-\


The fluid is probably 155K old too

Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: tigers_gonads on 26 May 2018, 11:57:52
And yes, i'll push it through until clean  ;)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Andy B on 26 May 2018, 20:16:54
As I understand it, you work your way back to the master from the furthest point ;)

Is that on a 3 or 4 channel ABS system?   ::)


it's on everything. Twice around the car is normally enough to get a decent pedal after fitting a new master cylinder or most of the brake pipes.

I just remember Haynes giving two orders of bleeding depending on age. I could never really see a reason why.
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Bigron on 26 May 2018, 22:06:23
Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: TheBoy on 27 May 2018, 10:00:19
Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.
ABS makes no difference. You just need to watch you don't get air in the ABS unit.

Also, those with tech2, partway through bleeding, run return pump, just to get that bit of old fluid into the main system...  ...though that's probably in the realms of anal  :-[
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: Kevin Wood on 29 May 2018, 14:17:13
Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.
ABS makes no difference. You just need to watch you don't get air in the ABS unit.

Also, those with tech2, partway through bleeding, run return pump, just to get that bit of old fluid into the main system...  ...though that's probably in the realms of anal  :-[

.. unless your return pump is "regularly exercised" anyway, of course. :-X
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: TheBoy on 29 May 2018, 17:54:49
Before ABS, when I could actually get under a car, the general rule was to start with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder, then the next furthest - and so on. I understand that it uses the least amount of brake fluid and effort - yes?

Ron.
ABS makes no difference. You just need to watch you don't get air in the ABS unit.

Also, those with tech2, partway through bleeding, run return pump, just to get that bit of old fluid into the main system...  ...though that's probably in the realms of anal  :-[

.. unless your return pump is "regularly exercised" anyway, of course. :-X
Which obviously mine never would, being the model citizen ::)
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: aaronjb on 30 May 2018, 09:07:33
Which obviously mine never would, being the model citizen ::)

Every time I drive around MK (which I did last night - peeled off the M1 at the A421 and skirted around MK to avoid the accident on the motorway) I think about you and your driving.. and the fact that everyone seems to drive around MK like it's some kind of race track with roundabouts ;D
Title: Re: Brakes
Post by: TheBoy on 30 May 2018, 18:37:17
and the fact that everyone seems to drive around MK like it's some kind of race track with roundabouts ;D
My experience is that Keynees drive excruciatingly slow, and immediately get in the outside lane on the offchance they might need to turn right in 25 roundabouts' time.

But, then, a significant number of Keynees don't have a licence, and some have never had one.