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I saw an advert on the telly earlier. Mum, dad and small child. They were all white! Disgusting.
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Ze master race
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The mum used to be a man ,dad used to be a woman and the child was adopted and "whited up" for the add :-\
it's a good job the BBC don't do adverts ,they would try and get every "type" in the add
just waiting for the gay (happy ::)) milky-bar kid dark chocolate edition :-X
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I saw an advert on the telly earlier. Mum, dad and small child. They were all white! Disgusting.
Yes.....becoming unusual. :-\
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Ze master race
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The mum used to be a man ,dad used to be a woman and the child was adopted and "whited up" for the add :-\
it's a good job the BBC don't do adverts ,they would try and get every "type" in the add
just waiting for the gay (happy ::)) milky-bar kid dark chocolate edition :-X
The Black and White minstrel show was big when I was a kid. I wonder if it will come back? :)
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Ze master race
OR
The mum used to be a man ,dad used to be a woman and the child was adopted and "whited up" for the add :-\
it's a good job the BBC don't do adverts ,they would try and get every "type" in the add
just waiting for the gay (happy ::)) milky-bar kid dark chocolate edition :-X
The Black and White minstrel show was big when I was a kid. I wonder if it will come back? :)
. Fk me! What a hope, there’s mandatory all sort of freaks turning up on everything on mainstream TV these days, the propaganda is forced down our virgin throats.
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Ze master race
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The mum used to be a man ,dad used to be a woman and the child was adopted and "whited up" for the add :-\
it's a good job the BBC don't do adverts ,they would try and get every "type" in the add
just waiting for the gay (happy ::)) milky-bar kid dark chocolate edition :-X
The Black and White minstrel show was big when I was a kid. I wonder if it will come back? :)
. Fk me! What a hope, there’s mandatory all sort of freaks turning up on everything on mainstream TV these days, the propaganda is forced down our virgin throats.
I'm not a Virgin ,and nobody's forcing anything down My throat :-X :o
Uncle Stemo's thread seems to have died
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
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DONT get me wrong, I am not against any of the above. I just think that it is portrayed as normal, everyday life.....to the detriment of normal, everyday life.
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
STEMO!! ;D ;D ;D
You mean back to those days WE should both remember, born when we were, when everything was black & white, nothing in between, and everything conforming to what was "normal" , at least on the surface that we could see.
Dad smoking a cigarette or pipe, sitting in the chair or down the pub with THE MEN. He in his ridged society standard of white shirt (fully ironed) starched collars and tie. Mum at home ironing, doing the washing, cooking the meals, doing the housework, day after day. Children dressing just like their parents, in the same rigidly society conforming clothes, dull colours, and sitting at the dinner table as one.
Mum not , or allowed to talk politics, or give opinions on serious matters. Dad the font of all wisdom, and in complete control of all household financies, with mum not allowed to have a bank account or own property in her name. Dad making all the decisions, even when totally against his wife and children. HE who must be obeyed, and claimed to be always right. No sexual matters ever discussed, and only rare glimpses of love and affection between the two, with everything being done as a matter of "duty".
I could go on, but it is all the same.........boring and humiliating if not the male of the species.
Yeah, we all hanker for those days to come back don't we?!! ::) ::) ::)
Give me today's diversity and enlightenment, with much colour in everything, any day! Freedom!! 8) 8) 8) :-* :D :)
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
Yes? Got something to say? ;D
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
You are just not 'gender fluid' enough. ::)
Apparently gender fluid is the new normal.
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
You are just not 'gender fluid' enough. ::)
Apparently gender fluid is the new normal.
Or non binary. Sam Smith, the singer, now wants to be referred to as 'They/them'. FFS.
They are a fickin freak, will that do?
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
You are just not 'gender fluid' enough. ::)
Apparently gender fluid is the new normal.
Or non binary. Sam Smith, the singer, now wants to be referred to as 'They/them'. FFS.
They are a fickin freak, will that do?
Embarrassing dinosaurs like us will soon be six feet under. I doubt our kind will be missed.
But I'll be past caring. ;)
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
You are just not 'gender fluid' enough. ::)
Apparently gender fluid is the new normal.
Or non binary. Sam Smith, the singer, now wants to be referred to as 'They/them'. FFS.
They are a fickin freak, will that do?
Embarrassing dinosaurs like us will soon be six feet under. I doubt our kind will be missed.
But I'll be past caring. ;)
Yes, there's no many of us normal folk left ;D
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I never watch live TV and skip the adds on my sky box remote
still turns my stomach when I'm watching TV and 2 men kiss :(
I've stopped watching some programs that may well have been good entertainment
I appreciate I should be more tolerant
I'm just being honest
**awaits Lizzie's wrath **
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Watch your blood pressure. :)
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
STEMO!! ;D ;D ;D
You mean back to those days WE should both remember, born when we were, when everything was black & white, nothing in between, and everything conforming to what was "normal" , at least on the surface that we could see.
Dad smoking a cigarette or pipe, sitting in the chair or down the pub with THE MEN. He in his ridged society standard of white shirt (fully ironed) starched collars and tie. Mum at home ironing, doing the washing, cooking the meals, doing the housework, day after day. Children dressing just like their parents, in the same rigidly society conforming clothes, dull colours, and sitting at the dinner table as one.
Mum not , or allowed to talk politics, or give opinions on serious matters. Dad the font of all wisdom, and in complete control of all household financies, with mum not allowed to have a bank account or own property in her name. Dad making all the decisions, even when totally against his wife and children. HE who must be obeyed, and claimed to be always right. No sexual matters ever discussed, and only rare glimpses of love and affection between the two, with everything being done as a matter of "duty".
I could go on, but it is all the same.........boring and humiliating if not the male of the species.
Yeah, we all hanker for those days to come back don't we?!! ::) ::) ::)
Give me today's diversity and enlightenment, with much colour in everything, any day! Freedom!! 8) 8) 8) :-* :D :)
In case it has been missed, as above^^^^ :-* ;)
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I never watch live TV and skip the adds on my sky box remote
still turns my stomach when I'm watching TV and 2 men kiss :(
I've stopped watching some programs that may well have been good entertainment
I appreciate I should be more tolerant
I'm just being honest
**awaits Lizzie's wrath **
More honesty is what we need, old boy. Much more honesty. But the thought police will soon make us be silent, or be ridiculed.
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Watch your blood pressure. :)
That won't open for me. Probably just as well :)
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
You are just not 'gender fluid' enough. ::)
Apparently gender fluid is the new normal.
Or non binary. Sam Smith, the singer, now wants to be referred to as 'They/them'. FFS.
They are a fickin freak, will that do?
So all the men on here are the same sexually, or as they see themselves - one standard with all the same flaws (as this thread is proving) and imagined strengths- God's gift to women?!
No? Of course not, you, and us women, are ALL different - celebrate it!! :-* :-* :-* 8) 8) ;D >:( ;)
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https://youtu.be/krqwRXuW2CU
Watch your blood pressure. :)
Try that... Or not.
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People just don't realise how much they are affected by the mundane aspects of life. TV ads are form of social engineering, as are the soaps. Stop people smoking, drink driving, etc in the soaps, and next thing people with no interest whatsoever previously are jumping on their high horses.
Once that's sorted we can move on to homosexuality, mixed race marriages, LBGT, the possibilities are endless.
Sheeple just sit and lap it all up.
F**k it, it's not my world anymore.
You are just not 'gender fluid' enough. ::)
Apparently gender fluid is the new normal.
Or non binary. Sam Smith, the singer, now wants to be referred to as 'They/them'. FFS.
They are a fickin freak, will that do?
So all the men on here are the same sexually, or as they see themselves - one standard with all the same flaws (as this thread is proving) and imagined strengths- God's gift to women?!
No? Of course not, you, and us women, are ALL different - celebrate it!! :-* :-* :-* 8) 8) ;D >:( ;)
No OOF poofters, Lizzie........I think. :) :-* :-* :-* :-*
I'm with my avatar on this one. ;)
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https://youtu.be/krqwRXuW2CU
Watch your blood pressure. :)
Try that...
Watched the first ten seconds. Seen it all before. Doesn't even merit a comment nowadays. Like I said, not my world.
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My current employer wants everyone to be the same, think the same, work the same... The idea being that we would then be more productive. Basically they should be employing drones or brainwashed zombies rather than people.
I have one word to counter this 'utopian' mindset...
Diversity.
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https://youtu.be/krqwRXuW2CU
Watch your blood pressure. :)
Try that...
Watched the first ten seconds. Seen it all before. Doesn't even merit a comment nowadays. Like I said, not my world.
Not your world or my world but increasingly it is 'the world'
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I guess some of the guys on here might bat for the other side. Like I said, perfectly normal. I'll bet they don't march through the streets waving pink banners 'demanding' to be treated the same as everyone else.
The buffoons who do that don't seem to realise that, by their very actions, they are marking themselves as different.
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I guess some of the guys on here might bat for the other side. Like I said, perfectly normal. I'll bet they don't march through the streets waving pink banners 'demanding' to be treated the same as everyone else.
The buffoons who do that don't seem to realise that, by their very actions, they are marking themselves as different.
Ironic isn't it... :D
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Watch your blood pressure. :)
I've just been sick. >:( >:( >:(
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Like President Robert Mugabe, who hated whites and ruined his country with much cruelty and negativity, a control freak, gone from this World. Racism, to us, in reverse.
Great was it? :-X :-X
No, but the trouble is always someone in the World, somewhere, somehow, wants complete conformity and control, with great power. It is in China now! ::) ::) >:(
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I guess some of the guys on here might bat for the other side. Like I said, perfectly normal. I'll bet they don't march through the streets waving pink banners 'demanding' to be treated the same as everyone else.
The buffoons who do that don't seem to realise that, by their very actions, they are marking themselves as different.
Ironic isn't it... :D
It usually doesn't work out too well. I think CND were one of the first to take to the streets. That doesn't seem to have had much effect. Then the poll tax, which was abolished and replaced with the more punitive council tax. More recently, extinction rebellion, pride, drones at airports etc, etc. All a waste of time which royally pisses off the public.
Someone should tell these youngsters in Hong Kong, it won't end well.
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I guess some of the guys on here might bat for the other side. Like I said, perfectly normal. I'll bet they don't march through the streets waving pink banners 'demanding' to be treated the same as everyone else.
The buffoons who do that don't seem to realise that, by their very actions, they are marking themselves as different.
I don't get why we need a 'gay pride' march. In 2019 men can stick their knobs wherever they like. It's not illegal like it was prior to 1967. So why do we need this spectacle.
I mean, we don't have a 'I have sex with a woman pride' march. Do we.
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Watch your blood pressure. :)
I've just been sick. >:( >:( >:(
Don't let it get to you, Chris. It is not the norm, no matter how many 'celebrities' or politicians jump on the bandwagon. Look around you, not at the telly, that's what's real.
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I guess some of the guys on here might bat for the other side. Like I said, perfectly normal. I'll bet they don't march through the streets waving pink banners 'demanding' to be treated the same as everyone else.
The buffoons who do that don't seem to realise that, by their very actions, they are marking themselves as different.
I don't get why we need a 'gay pride' march. In 2019 men can stick their knobs wherever they like. It's not illegal like it was prior to 1967. So why do we need this spectacle.
I mean, we don't have a 'I have sex with a woman pride' march. Do we.
It's so laws can be passed to subjugate normal people. :)
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I guess some of the guys on here might bat for the other side. Like I said, perfectly normal. I'll bet they don't march through the streets waving pink banners 'demanding' to be treated the same as everyone else.
The buffoons who do that don't seem to realise that, by their very actions, they are marking themselves as different.
Ironic isn't it... :D
It usually doesn't work out too well. I think CND were one of the first to take to the streets. That doesn't seem to have had much effect. Then the poll tax, which was abolished and replaced with the more punitive council tax. More recently, extinction rebellion, pride, drones at airports etc, etc. All a waste of time which royally pisses off the public.
Someone should tell these youngsters in Hong Kong, it won't end well.
No, you are forgetting Oswald Mosley and 20,000 Fascists. That could have been a game changer to evil, but too many stood up to be counted fighting for democracy and freedom 8) 8) ;)
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I'm off to watch Dragon's Den followed by Peaky Blinders so you lot can all f*uck off for a couple of hours. :)
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I'm off to watch Dragon's Den followed by Peaky Blinders so you lot can all f*uck off for a couple of hours. :)
Dragons den has turned into a bit of a cabaret. Sir Oswald shows his hand in Blinders tonight.
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I'm off to watch Dragon's Den followed by Peaky Blinders so you lot can all f*uck off for a couple of hours. :)
Yes, I understand he is going to lead the Union of Fascists ::) ::) ;)
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https://youtu.be/krqwRXuW2CU
Watch your blood pressure. :)
Try that... Or not.
I watched some of it and conclude they are attention seeking weirdos with poor replies to the simple questions
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Just makes me think.. what the hell are these people celebrating? They are not normal we the majority are, but we don’t hold celebrations because we are. Just cluck off and leave us alone or keep it to their clucking selves. FFS.
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Just makes me think.. what the hell are these people celebrating? They are not normal we the majority are, but we don’t hold celebrations because we are. Just cluck off and leave us alone or keep it to their clucking selves. FFS.
Please define "normal" when describing a human being and their psychology, sexual desires and practices and how they live, interacting with other humans ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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Watch your blood pressure. :)
I've just been sick. >:( >:( >:(
Don't let it get to you, Chris. It is not the norm, no matter how many 'celebrities' or politicians jump on the bandwagon. Look around you, not at the telly, that's what's real.
There's a thought, I'll try that Steve, thanks. 8)
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Liz, I’m not saying anything bad about that sort of people who in my opinion are not what I define normal ( and you know exactly what I mean) they have a right to live and do whatever they want but I don’t these folk shoving their lifestyle in my face. I’m certainly not going around campaigning to stop them, however it seems they seem to never stop whining. What do you think about gay marriage then is there nothing sacred? What next?
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The Sexual Offences Act was made law in July 1967. It decriminalised homosexual acts in private between two men, both of whom had to have attained the age of 21; although the comments of Roy Jenkins, the Home Secretary at the time, captured the government’s attitude: ‘those who suffer from this disability carry a great weight of shame all their lives.’ Lord Arran, one of the original proposers of the bill, tried to minimise criticisms by making the qualification to what he called an ‘historic’ milestone: ‘I ask those [homosexuals] to show their thanks by comporting themselves quietly and with dignity … any form of ostentatious behaviour now or in the future or any form of public flaunting would be utterly distasteful …’
That what you mean, Raeturbo?
Ron.
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The Sexual Offences Act was made law in July 1967. It decriminalised homosexual acts in private between two men, both of whom had to have attained the age of 21; although the comments of Roy Jenkins, the Home Secretary at the time, captured the government’s attitude: ‘those who suffer from this disability carry a great weight of shame all their lives.’ Lord Arran, one of the original proposers of the bill, tried to minimise criticisms by making the qualification to what he called an ‘historic’ milestone: ‘I ask those [homosexuals] to show their thanks by comporting themselves quietly and with dignity … any form of ostentatious behaviour now or in the future or any form of public flaunting would be utterly distasteful …’
That what you mean, Raeturbo?
Ron.
Yes.......I doubt in 1967 they thought a gay pride march acceptable.
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
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WE are pilloried for "offending" them, but care not a jot for offending us. I really, REALLY do not wish to see two "men" kissing on screen and if I witnessed in real life, I'm surev that I would throw up. >:( :o
Ron.
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Liz, I’m not saying anything bad about that sort of people who in my opinion are not what I define normal ( and you know exactly what I mean) they have a right to live and do whatever they want but I don’t these folk shoving their lifestyle in my face. I’m certainly not going around campaigning to stop them, however it seems they seem to never stop whining. What do you think about gay marriage then is there nothing sacred? What next?
But they are not shoving it in your face, or down your throat, to use another expression. The MEDIA is because they love a 'different' story that attracts their viewers or readers. I hate all the 'Love Island' mode of 'entertainment', so I just do not watch them. Simples. As long as they are not robbing me, or attacking me, insulting me, or just trying to change my life, I just do not care and let it upset me. Live at let live is my motto ;)
As for gay marriage; why not? If the couple love each other and want to commit to that love like any 'straight' couple, fine. Frankly there is so much hate and greed, with now growing violence, in the World, if anyone, what ever their personal circumstances, want to show love and peace, Let It Be :-* :-* :-*
There is so much more to worry about than other people's love and sexual habits, as long as it is within uk laws. ;)
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The problem for people with "traditional" views are now forced to accept those with ,shall i say, alternative life styles in their lives and businesses. The case of the owners of a B&B who refused a same sex couple and a small bakery the refused to accept an order for a same sex "wedding". Both were prosecuted, but their beliefs were ignored and their right to freedom of choice and speech was taken away. When will the moral majority be heard? Never now as things stand. >:(
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The Sexual Offences Act was made law in July 1967. It decriminalised homosexual acts in private between two men, both of whom had to have attained the age of 21; although the comments of Roy Jenkins, the Home Secretary at the time, captured the government’s attitude: ‘those who suffer from this disability carry a great weight of shame all their lives.’ Lord Arran, one of the original proposers of the bill, tried to minimise criticisms by making the qualification to what he called an ‘historic’ milestone: ‘I ask those [homosexuals] to show their thanks by comporting themselves quietly and with dignity … any form of ostentatious behaviour now or in the future or any form of public flaunting would be utterly distasteful …’
That what you mean, Raeturbo?
Ron.
A shameful statement that reflected the common ignorance of the time, and public statements by many 'public figures' who were hypocrites, saying one thing in public and the opposite in their private lives >:( >:(
As for the last comment; so any couple, of any "sex" walking along holding hands and showing love and affection is wrong? ::) ::) ::)
So let everyone go with the growing minority who do not love fellow man, but goes and stabs or shoots them! All good then?! >:( >:(
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
But those very grandchildren could well be naturally attracted to the same sex, and you , an opinionated grandfather, making it clear that you think it is not normal will give them guilt complexes that could well lead to mental illness and even suicide, like it has in the past! You think that is good?! :o :o :o
My children, and now grandchildren, are, thank God, growing up in a world where loving an individual, and really showing it, is accepted with no guilt trips. My mother grew up in a conforming, restricted, often very hidden emotions, life and marriage, to a traditional all controlling, know it all man. I though had a very loving honest, two way, relationship with my husband free from those past evils. Thank God I did, and also thank God even more people can be so open and honest today, whatever their sexuality, as we hoped for during the Summer of Love 1967, when the barriers started to come down. Conformity for the sake of it started to die 8) 8) 8)
I always think that those that protest so strongly have the most they are trying to hide!
If you all don't like it, switch off the TV programmes and stop reading the gutter media articles in all different forms that you do not like, as I do. Don't make such a bloody fuss about it!
Worry instead about what is going on in this world TODAY, with children being killed, societies being controlled as the Nazis and Communists did, with the Chinese version doing these things as we speak, spreading their evil, authoritarian, tentacles across the World! The USA and Iran are heading for a major war, with China and Russia in there somewhere, and British Democracy is dying. But some are worrying about "freaks" - their words, not mine - appearing on TV or in the wider printed and online media, and upsetting them! Oh, you poor souls! ::) ::) ::)
Get a life, and live the World we have now because tomorrow it could be all gone with your darkest nightmares coming true! ;)
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The problem for people with "traditional" views are now forced to accept those with ,shall i say, alternative life styles in their lives and businesses. The case of the owners of a B&B who refused a same sex couple and a small bakery the refused to accept an order for a same sex "wedding". Both were prosecuted, but their beliefs were ignored and their right to freedom of choice and speech was taken away. When will the moral majority be heard? Never now as things stand. >:(
So you think that anyone who runs a commercial operation has the right to hang a notice up stating:
No Gays
No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish
or refuse to provide their advertised services to those individuals, in three out of four cases, fellow human beings born as equals in the eyes of God, in this day and age, not the 1950s and 1960s?? :o :o
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
But those very grandchildren could well be naturally attracted to the same sex, and you , an opinionated grandfather, making it clear that you think it is not normal will give them guilt complexes that could well lead to mental illness and even suicide, like it has in the past! You think that is good?! :o :o :o
My children, and now grandchildren, are, thank God, growing up in a world where loving an individual, and really showing it, is accepted with no guilt trips. My mother grew up in a conforming, restricted, often very hidden emotions, life and marriage, to a traditional all controlling, know it all man. I though had a very loving honest, two way, relationship with my husband free from those past evils. Thank God I did, and also thank God even more people can be so open and honest today, whatever their sexuality, as we hoped for during the Summer of Love 1967, when the barriers started to come down. Conformity for the sake of it started to die 8) 8) 8)
I always think that those that protest so strongly have the most they are trying to hide!
If you all don't like it, switch off the TV programmes and stop reading the gutter media articles in all different forms that you do not like, as I do. Don't make such a bloody fuss about it!
Worry instead about what is going on in this world TODAY, with children being killed, societies being controlled as the Nazis and Communists did, with the Chinese version doing these things as we speak, spreading their evil, authoritarian, tentacles across the World! The USA and Iran are heading for a major war, with China and Russia in there somewhere, and British Democracy is dying. But some are worrying about "freaks" - their words, not mine - appearing on TV or in the wider printed and online media, and upsetting them! Oh, you poor souls! ::) ::) ::)
Get a life, and live the World we have now because tomorrow it could be all gone with your darkest nightmares coming true! ;)
As do those who bang on relentlessly in defence of it ::)
As we don't have to watch it on tv, you don't have to read what we say on here.
You're wasting your breath with most on here anyway. We have our views, and are hardly likely to change them now.
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The problem for people with "traditional" views are now forced to accept those with ,shall i say, alternative life styles in their lives and businesses. The case of the owners of a B&B who refused a same sex couple and a small bakery the refused to accept an order for a same sex "wedding". Both were prosecuted, but their beliefs were ignored and their right to freedom of choice and speech was taken away. When will the moral majority be heard? Never now as things stand. >:(
So you think that anyone who runs a commercial operation has the right to hang a notice up stating:
No Gays
No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish
or refuse to provide their advertised services to those individuals, in three out of four cases, fellow human beings born as equals in the eyes of God, in this day and age, not the 1950s and 1960s?? :o :o
NO Lizzie, i didn,t say that at all. The point i made is simply that folk with traditional views are being branded as bigots for their beliefs.
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The problem for people with "traditional" views are now forced to accept those with ,shall i say, alternative life styles in their lives and businesses. The case of the owners of a B&B who refused a same sex couple and a small bakery the refused to accept an order for a same sex "wedding". Both were prosecuted, but their beliefs were ignored and their right to freedom of choice and speech was taken away. When will the moral majority be heard? Never now as things stand. >:(
So you think that anyone who runs a commercial operation has the right to hang a notice up stating:
No Gays
No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish
or refuse to provide their advertised services to those individuals, in three out of four cases, fellow human beings born as equals in the eyes of God, in this day and age, not the 1950s and 1960s?? :o :o
NO Lizzie, i didn,t say that at all. The point i made is simply that folk with traditional views are being branded as bigots for their beliefs.
You can say normal, Ronny, you don't have to dress it up as traditional. Normal, in my view, means a position taken by the (vast) majority. But, as always, the vocal minority always get the attention.
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Indeed and as I said earlier I don’t want to see it or hear it I don’t like the gay lgbt blah blah processions mincing down the streets, I’ll deal with my family as I see fit with no crap or stupid advice which I don’t agree with, as said traditional values are being under mined and I strongly believe in the institution of marriage, shame on you if you don’t! There are many men on here who like to be known as men I’m one of them and I won’t dilute my interpretation of the word. I’m not going around the streets flaunting my masculinity so why the hell are they flaunting their nonsense and holding the traffic up. Keep it to themselves most of us don’t like it although we put up with it peacefully on the whole and Ive said once, I am not going around harassing them!
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Just seen on the news some fkd up parents are keeping their babies gender secret so it can pick what it wants to be when it grows up. What the Fk is happening here! I’m glad I’m old and don’t have to see the outcome of all this ungodly Frankenstein type behaviour from the so called new world population.
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
But those very grandchildren could well be naturally attracted to the same sex, and you , an opinionated grandfather, making it clear that you think it is not normal will give them guilt complexes that could well lead to mental illness and even suicide, like it has in the past! You think that is good?! :o :o :o
My children, and now grandchildren, are, thank God, growing up in a world where loving an individual, and really showing it, is accepted with no guilt trips. My mother grew up in a conforming, restricted, often very hidden emotions, life and marriage, to a traditional all controlling, know it all man. I though had a very loving honest, two way, relationship with my husband free from those past evils. Thank God I did, and also thank God even more people can be so open and honest today, whatever their sexuality, as we hoped for during the Summer of Love 1967, when the barriers started to come down. Conformity for the sake of it started to die 8) 8) 8)
I always think that those that protest so strongly have the most they are trying to hide!
If you all don't like it, switch off the TV programmes and stop reading the gutter media articles in all different forms that you do not like, as I do. Don't make such a bloody fuss about it!
Worry instead about what is going on in this world TODAY, with children being killed, societies being controlled as the Nazis and Communists did, with the Chinese version doing these things as we speak, spreading their evil, authoritarian, tentacles across the World! The USA and Iran are heading for a major war, with China and Russia in there somewhere, and British Democracy is dying. But some are worrying about "freaks" - their words, not mine - appearing on TV or in the wider printed and online media, and upsetting them! Oh, you poor souls! ::) ::) ::)
Get a life, and live the World we have now because tomorrow it could be all gone with your darkest nightmares coming true! ;)
As do those who bang on relentlessly in defence of it ::)
As we don't have to watch it on tv, you don't have to read what we say on here.
You're wasting your breath with most on here anyway. We have our views, and are hardly likely to change them now.
Sorry STEMO, but this type of thread on a public forum is guaranteed to stir up emotions and get fierce responses. If we utter proclamations of our inner beliefs on this type of platform then under the terms of the freedom they enjoy, expect others in opposition to those views to equally "bang on" about them in response. That is what I think you wanted? ::) ??? ???
Do not expect it to be all one way. This all is a very controversial subject, which touches on the lives of many people, thus the UK Hate Crime Laws that are in place, which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect. The expressions on this thread have the potential to cause serious offence to more individuals than the authors of them obviously, from the comments made, understand.
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
But those very grandchildren could well be naturally attracted to the same sex, and you , an opinionated grandfather, making it clear that you think it is not normal will give them guilt complexes that could well lead to mental illness and even suicide, like it has in the past! You think that is good?! :o :o :o
My children, and now grandchildren, are, thank God, growing up in a world where loving an individual, and really showing it, is accepted with no guilt trips. My mother grew up in a conforming, restricted, often very hidden emotions, life and marriage, to a traditional all controlling, know it all man. I though had a very loving honest, two way, relationship with my husband free from those past evils. Thank God I did, and also thank God even more people can be so open and honest today, whatever their sexuality, as we hoped for during the Summer of Love 1967, when the barriers started to come down. Conformity for the sake of it started to die 8) 8) 8)
I always think that those that protest so strongly have the most they are trying to hide!
If you all don't like it, switch off the TV programmes and stop reading the gutter media articles in all different forms that you do not like, as I do. Don't make such a bloody fuss about it!
Worry instead about what is going on in this world TODAY, with children being killed, societies being controlled as the Nazis and Communists did, with the Chinese version doing these things as we speak, spreading their evil, authoritarian, tentacles across the World! The USA and Iran are heading for a major war, with China and Russia in there somewhere, and British Democracy is dying. But some are worrying about "freaks" - their words, not mine - appearing on TV or in the wider printed and online media, and upsetting them! Oh, you poor souls! ::) ::) ::)
Get a life, and live the World we have now because tomorrow it could be all gone with your darkest nightmares coming true! ;)
As do those who bang on relentlessly in defence of it ::)
As we don't have to watch it on tv, you don't have to read what we say on here.
You're wasting your breath with most on here anyway. We have our views, and are hardly likely to change them now.
Sorry STEMO, but this type of thread on a public forum is guaranteed to stir up emotions and get fierce responses. If we utter proclamations of our inner beliefs on this type of platform then under the terms of the freedom they enjoy, expect others in opposition to those views to equally "bang on" about them in response. That is what I think you wanted? ::) ??? ???
Do not expect it to be all one way. This all is a very controversial subject, which touches on the lives of many people, thus the UK Hate Crime Laws that are in place, which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect. The expressions on this thread have the potential to cause serious offence to more individuals than the authors of them obviously, from the comments made, understand.
I really, and I mean really, don't give a f**k who I offend. I am offended daily, so I send it back, with knobs on. ;D
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Do not expect it to be all one way. This all is a very controversial subject, which touches on the lives of many people, thus the UK Hate Crime Laws that are in place, which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect. The expressions on this thread have the potential to cause serious offence to more individuals than the authors of them obviously, from the comments made, understand.
I think the vast majority of people would rather that Police concentrate on real crimes like burglary, robbery, assault etc than worrying about whether Uncle STEMO has offended Lord Opti! ::)
You should advise the Police about that Lizzie, because rightly or wrongly there is a public perception that the Police are allocating huge resources to so called hate crimes at the expense of investigating and solving proper crime! ;)
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Do not expect it to be all one way. This all is a very controversial subject, which touches on the lives of many people, thus the UK Hate Crime Laws that are in place, which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect. The expressions on this thread have the potential to cause serious offence to more individuals than the authors of them obviously, from the comments made, understand.
I think the vast majority of people would rather that Police concentrate on real crimes like burglary, robbery, assault etc than worrying about whether Uncle STEMO has offended Lord Opti! ::)
You should advise the Police about that Lizzie, because rightly or wrongly there is a public perception that the Police are allocating huge resources to so called hate crimes at the expense of investigating and solving proper crime! ;)
You're nicked, lad. 👩🏻✈️🗝
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Do not expect it to be all one way. This all is a very controversial subject, which touches on the lives of many people, thus the UK Hate Crime Laws that are in place, which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect. The expressions on this thread have the potential to cause serious offence to more individuals than the authors of them obviously, from the comments made, understand.
I think the vast majority of people would rather that Police concentrate on real crimes like burglary, robbery, assault etc than worrying about whether Uncle STEMO has offended Lord Opti! ::)
You should advise the Police about that Lizzie, because rightly or wrongly there is a public perception that the Police are allocating huge resources to so called hate crimes at the expense of investigating and solving proper crime! ;)
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Absolutely right Sir Tigger :y :y
The police would love to allocate all their resources to fighting "real" crime as some see it. But, guess what, many cases they have to deal with involve mental health issues, of many types, brought about by various factors, but a prime one is intolerance and abuse that many receive at a crisis point in their lives, when they are trying to establish their identity and sexual orientation, or just trying to live without fear, but then hear, or read, comments that cause them much depression as MAY have already happened with this thread. The police have to pick up the pieces of people being physically attacked, or severely insulted in the streets by individuals who think they have a right to enforce their "Normal" views on others.
Expressing our right to free speech, as apparent in this thread, carries certain obligations and restrictions to ensure others, that include all age groups within our society, are not subjected to hatred that affects them to the extent they want to take their life as they feel their families, or society society, does not understand them and they cannot receive the help they require to guide them with impartiality and within UK law. Much police time is taken up by dealing with the fall out of those case, that WE as a so called free liberal society have a responsibility for. People being driven to death by bigotry and pure ignorance is a VERY REAL crime.
If you all do object to that approach, then vote for far right political parties, that would make the rights of all individuals, instead of the state and certain elites, obsolete, which would eventually impact on all of us as history has demonstrated. Stand by and do nothing, and they will eventually come for you who does not conform to their narrow view points.
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What an absolute load of twaddle ;D ;D
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What an absolute load of twaddle ;D ;D
Yes, to some, to others spot on!! 8) 8)
We all have our opinions ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
I am sure you started this thread to get us all going! You rascal, you! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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On a lighter note
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc
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All these gay pride marchers want to be accepted and treated as equals in society which is fair enough and as it should be,but in holding all these marches they're marking themselves out as "different"so surely they're defeating their own object?After all these marches etc. just seem to polarise opinions/attitudes even more. All this gender neutrality or non-gender specific business is a load of nonsense to me.
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All these gay pride marchers want to be accepted and treated as equals in society which is fair enough and as it should be,but in holding all these marches they're marking themselves out as "different"so surely they're defeating their own object?After all these marches etc. just seem to polarise opinions/attitudes even more. All this gender neutrality or non-gender specific business is a load of nonsense to me.
Funnily enough I agree with that as I believe these groups of people are over cooking it and causing the opposite of what they are trying to achieve- equality.
For me it is like all the political marches, going back to the CND ones of our past, with them over cooking their message and seemingly forcing us all to adopt their message and vote for this or that, and take certain courses of action. Also the same as those to do with the environment recently, it is counter-productive and makes so many people do the opposite and want raise the strength of their objections and resistance, as witnessed on this thread.
All groups have got to learn to keep it calm and respectful, but the media have other ideas on that as well. The trouble is, on the issue of political groups in particular, those that shout the loudest get noticed, because as human beings we are flawed and so often can only be disturbed from our 'sleep' by those displaying and using radical actions. Anyone else been watching Rise of the Nazis on BBC2? ::) ::) :o :o ;)
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I agree with Baz that’s the point I was trying to make.
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All these gay pride marchers want to be accepted and treated as equals in society which is fair enough and as it should be,but in holding all these marches they're marking themselves out as "different"so surely they're defeating their own object?After all these marches etc. just seem to polarise opinions/attitudes even more. All this gender neutrality or non-gender specific business is a load of nonsense to me.
Funnily enough I agree with that as I believe these groups of people are over cooking it and causing the opposite of what they are trying to achieve- equality.
For me it is like all the political marches, going back to the CND ones of our past, with them over cooking their message and seemingly forcing us all to adopt their message and vote for this or that, and take certain courses of action. Also the same as those to do with the environment recently, it is counter-productive and makes so many people do the opposite and want raise the strength of their objections and resistance, as witnessed on this thread.
All groups have got to learn to keep it calm and respectful, but the media have other ideas on that as well. The trouble is, on the issue of political groups in particular, those that shout the loudest get noticed, because as human beings we are flawed and so often can only be disturbed from our 'sleep' by those displaying and using radical actions. Anyone else been watching Rise of the Nazis on BBC2? ::) ::) :o :o ;)
There's an echo in here ::)
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https://www.southparkstudios.co.uk/clips/149906/hitler-is-cool
Obviously being South Park, it is probably NWS...
(I would have done the fancy hidden link thing, but figured it better to be clear... More of a visual gag anyway ;)
Cartman does remind me of someone... https://youtu.be/4rHuinnfVJo ::)
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I agree with Baz that’s the point I was trying to make.
Yes, but it was the other comments you made that put it into a different context, one of hate towards these groups. If moderation is shown by ALL sides, then there is not a problem, and these groups in particular will not feel the need to kick back so hard, and protest so loudly and "in your face" as some put it, fighting (that is what it is) to be recognised as equals in a fair society (fat chance here!!). Your problem will then be resolved 8) ;)
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https://www.southparkstudios.co.uk/clips/149906/hitler-is-cool
Obviously being South Park, it is probably NWS...
(I would have done the fancy hidden link thing, but figured it better to be clear... More of a visual gag anyway ;)
Cartman does remind me of someone... https://youtu.be/4rHuinnfVJo ::)
They have nothing on Hitler Youth as they would shoot the teacher, the driver, etc, etc, in a society that allowed it to happen:D :D ;)
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........which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect.........
(Bear with me, I am on the right thread) ;D
Having been run ragged by my elderly disabled parents for the past two years, dealing with their end of life carers etc, I was at the end of my tether both physically and emotionally. I had just got to the stage where I thought it would be easier to end my own life to escape the daily torture when I read the above comment.
It made me laugh ;D ;D and snapped me out of ending it. I should be alright for a couple of weeks with this to amuse me. :y Please keep the gags coming Lizzie, you may just save my life. ::) :)
Anyway, back on topic, which has strayed from racism to homophobic accusations somehow. :-\
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
You can't claim to respect a group and then demand they conduct their lifestyles only in private / spaces away from where you happen to be. Same-sex sexual relations are part of nature, like it or lump it, they are an observable phenomenon, in birds, marine and land-based mammals, and yes, shockingly, humans too. Just because "we" have had a couple of thousand years of religious doctrine rammed down our throats that its not the done thing doesn't make it so, along with most other things written in fiction.
I see no reason why those who identify as LGBTQ+ wouldn't want to continue marching, protesting etc. After all, they don't receive equal treatment, either under UK law or in practice 'out in the real world'. As I'm sure Lizzie can attest; throughout history, those who have sat quietly by, waiting for rights to be given to them tend to be waiting a very very long time. ::) That said, the views on the matter expressed here are the classic anti-oppression catch-22: you don't protest, you're sitting idly by so must be happy with your lot/are too lazy to fight for what you believe; get out on the streets, your making a nuisance/spectacle of yourself.
Also, on the point of what "Normal" people think, statistical data for the last 30yrs shows clearly that we now live in a society where the majority of people in the UK now support gay marriage and see nothing at all wrong with same sex relationships (11% 1981, 68% 2017). The vast majority also do not identify as prejudiced against trans people. Probably unsurprisingly
;, belief that same sex relationships are wrong tends to be much higher in 'white british' church goers (thankfully a group that is in itself in decline), black and asian communities - again linked with religion.
So in summary, far from the "Normal" most on this thread claim to be, they're actually the 'noisy minority' they choose to belittle. ;D
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Anyway, back on topic, which has strayed from racism to homophobic accusations somehow. :-\
Page 1, post 5. About the average length of time an OOF post stays on track IME.
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
You can't claim to respect a group and then demand they conduct their lifestyles only in private / spaces away from where you happen to be. Same-sex sexual relations are part of nature, like it or lump it, they are an observable phenomenon, in birds, marine and land-based mammals, and yes, shockingly, humans too. Just because "we" have had a couple of thousand years of religious doctrine rammed down our throats that its not the done thing doesn't make it so, along with most other things written in fiction.
I see no reason why those who identify as LGBTQ+ wouldn't want to continue marching, protesting etc. After all, they don't receive equal treatment, either under UK law or in practice 'out in the real world'. As I'm sure Lizzie can attest; throughout history, those who have sat quietly by, waiting for rights to be given to them tend to be waiting a very very long time. ::) That said, the views on the matter expressed here are the classic anti-oppression catch-22: you don't protest, you're sitting idly by so must be happy with your lot/are too lazy to fight for what you believe; get out on the streets, your making a nuisance/spectacle of yourself.
Also, on the point of what "Normal" people think, statistical data for the last 30yrs shows clearly that we now live in a society where the majority of people in the UK now support gay marriage and see nothing at all wrong with same sex relationships (11% 1981, 68% 2017). The vast majority also do not identify as prejudiced against trans people. Probably unsurprisingly
;, belief that same sex relationships are wrong tends to be much higher in 'white british' church goers (thankfully a group that is in itself in decline), black and asian communities - again linked with religion.
So in summary, far from the "Normal" most on this thread claim to be, they're actually the 'noisy minority' they choose to belittle. ;D
I notice you back up your same sex relationship with figures, but none for trans people. I disagree completely with that assertion, and invite you to substantiate it.
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I'd also like to know how the poll on same sex marriage was conducted. The over 65's make up almost 19% of the population, I doubt they'd be doing internet questionnaires.
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I notice you back up your same sex relationship with figures, but none for trans people. I disagree completely with that assertion, and invite you to substantiate it.
I'd also like to know how the poll on same sex marriage was conducted. The over 65's make up almost 19% of the population, I doubt they'd be doing internet questionnaires.
You're completely correct, I didn't, my humble apologies :).
I'm referring to respondents to the only large-scale survey I could find on the subject (British Social Attitudes survey); circa 3000 respondents selected at random from UK households (so it would not include the homeless or those of us who lived in burger vans). The method of survey is to send a postal invitation, with the survey conducted by a face to face visit. You could argue that old people are less likely to invite someone into their homes, but you could also argue that those of working age/millenials would be less responsive to snail mail, more likely to live in shared housing and therefore not be invited to take part and less likely to find the time to sit down and chat. Answers are stratified by age, and you're right, the older generations are "less tolerant" of trans people; again, probably what you would expect.
In my view, my definition of vast majority compares favourably to the 52% that was recently described as a 'huge majority' in a brexit thread. Of course, you will probably disagree :y
http://natcen.ac.uk/blog/how-do-british-people-feel-about-transphobia-and-transgender-issues (http://natcen.ac.uk/blog/how-do-british-people-feel-about-transphobia-and-transgender-issues)
Transgender rights have noticeably become a more visible topic of debate in the media, for example recently around safe spaces for women.
So what do the public really think? Well, the latest BSA, for the first time, gives us an indication by reporting on a new set of questions.
Over 8 in 10 of Britons described ourselves as “not prejudiced at all” against transgender people, while 15% said they are a little prejudiced and 2% said they are very prejudiced.
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Mm, I disagree with the whole tirade it’s nonsense, and I can and will say and interpret things the way I want to, and say it out loud. I’ve said do what they want, but keep it quiet it’s not right. If you’re one of these people well fair enough, but as I said, I do not go parading the streets brandishing my masculinity so I don’t expect any other types... homosexuals ect to be holding up the traffic. You’ve said it’s normal for animals well maybe it is but.... : I’ve said I respect their right to do what they want, Don’t question me on that I know what I’m saying. If I were to protest then I would be as bad as them. You have no argument.
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I notice you back up your same sex relationship with figures, but none for trans people. I disagree completely with that assertion, and invite you to substantiate it.
I'd also like to know how the poll on same sex marriage was conducted. The over 65's make up almost 19% of the population, I doubt they'd be doing internet questionnaires.
You're completely correct, I didn't, my humble apologies :).
I'm referring to respondents to the only large-scale survey I could find on the subject (British Social Attitudes survey); circa 3000 respondents selected at random from UK households (so it would not include the homeless or those of us who lived in burger vans). The method of survey is to send a postal invitation, with the survey conducted by a face to face visit. You could argue that old people are less likely to invite someone into their homes, but you could also argue that those of working age/millenials would be less responsive to snail mail, more likely to live in shared housing and therefore not be invited to take part and less likely to find the time to sit down and chat. Answers are stratified by age, and you're right, the older generations are "less tolerant" of trans people; again, probably what you would expect.
In my view, my definition of vast majority compares favourably to the 52% that was recently described as a 'huge majority' in a brexit thread. Of course, you will probably disagree :y
http://natcen.ac.uk/blog/how-do-british-people-feel-about-transphobia-and-transgender-issues (http://natcen.ac.uk/blog/how-do-british-people-feel-about-transphobia-and-transgender-issues)
Transgender rights have noticeably become a more visible topic of debate in the media, for example recently around safe spaces for women.
So what do the public really think? Well, the latest BSA, for the first time, gives us an indication by reporting on a new set of questions.
Over 8 in 10 of Britons described ourselves as “not prejudiced at all” against transgender people, while 15% said they are a little prejudiced and 2% said they are very prejudiced.
Well...in my humble opinion.....if you ask the right people, you'll always get the answer you want. ;D
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Mm, I disagree with the whole tirade it’s nonsense.
Tirade: Noun a long, angry speech of criticism or accusation. Um, no, I'm not angry, nor am I accusing anyone of anything, I suppose I am being critical, but I'm only in pointing out logical flaws in what is being said.
As for nonsense, what is 'sense' depends entirely on your viewpoint, its entirely subjective. I'd imagine its pretty clear that my views don't align with yours, but then nor do the majority of the British people. Right and wrong are shaped by our laws, culture and collective sense of who we are as a people (collective being the important word). In that regard your views are again, in the minority, so objectively are neither right nor any kind of sense.
Outside of that frame of reference, you could talk about a Higher Power, but I like to avoid using fairy tales as a basis on which to discuss anything of significance.
I can and will say and interpret things the way I want to, and say it out loud....I’ve said I respect their right to do what they want, Don’t question on me on that I know what I’m saying.
You certainly can say what you want, we have some limits on free speech in this country, but even then, in here its unlikely anyone will stop you. ;) But if you put out your opinions in a public forum (either digital or in real life) you can't surely object when someone points out inconsistencies, or that the world doesn't work the way you want it to? To do so would probably be termed "snowflake" in these parts, except that seems to be a term levelled only at the young/millenials, not grandparents such as yourself. So maybe 'over-sensitive' would be better, no? :y
I’ve said do what they want, but keep it quiet it’s not right. If you’re one of these people well fair enough, but as I said, I do not go parading the streets brandishing my masculinity so I don’t expect any other types... homosexuals ect to be holding up the traffic.
But there-in lies the point, you don't object to 'parading' in general, you just want to enforce your (minority) viewpoint on an oppressed minority that you happen not to like.
Well...in my humble opinion.....if you ask the right people, you'll always get the answer you want. ;D
Never a truer word spoken, but I would, on balance trust a large-scale report, that discloses its methods in obtaining a representative sample, over (and let's be fair to the OOF) an enclave of largely-like-minded people, the majority of which fit a set demographic, time of upbringing and share a common set of social influences. You are perhaps confusing this little corner of the internet with the real world?
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First you were critical.
Second there were no flaws in what I said.
Third that’s your opinion as far as I’m concerned I’m in the majority and make good sense.
Forth no I don’t think we’re going to align.
Fifth I don’t believe in fairy tales that’s your wrong assessment.
Sixth I’m not over sensitive, and know what I can say and when to say it.
Seventh who said I don’t object to parading? That’s your opinion, and I didn’t say I didn’t like the minority’s you mentioned and I’m certainly not trying to force my views on anybody if you’ve read my earlier posts you will see I’ve mentioned this many times. You’re way out mate!
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Mm, I disagree with the whole tirade it’s nonsense.
Tirade: Noun a long, angry speech of criticism or accusation. Um, no, I'm not angry, nor am I accusing anyone of anything, I suppose I am being critical, but I'm only in pointing out logical flaws in what is being said.
As for nonsense, what is 'sense' depends entirely on your viewpoint, its entirely subjective. I'd imagine its pretty clear that my views don't align with yours, but then nor do the majority of the British people. Right and wrong are shaped by our laws, culture and collective sense of who we are as a people (collective being the important word). In that regard your views are again, in the minority, so objectively are neither right nor any kind of sense.
Outside of that frame of reference, you could talk about a Higher Power, but I like to avoid using fairy tales as a basis on which to discuss anything of significance.
I can and will say and interpret things the way I want to, and say it out loud....I’ve said I respect their right to do what they want, Don’t question on me on that I know what I’m saying.
You certainly can say what you want, we have some limits on free speech in this country, but even then, in here its unlikely anyone will stop you. ;) But if you put out your opinions in a public forum (either digital or in real life) you can't surely object when someone points out inconsistencies, or that the world doesn't work the way you want it to? To do so would probably be termed "snowflake" in these parts, except that seems to be a term levelled only at the young/millenials, not grandparents such as yourself. So maybe 'over-sensitive' would be better, no? :y
I’ve said do what they want, but keep it quiet it’s not right. If you’re one of these people well fair enough, but as I said, I do not go parading the streets brandishing my masculinity so I don’t expect any other types... homosexuals ect to be holding up the traffic.
But there-in lies the point, you don't object to 'parading' in general, you just want to enforce your (minority) viewpoint on an oppressed minority that you happen not to like.
Well...in my humble opinion.....if you ask the right people, you'll always get the answer you want. ;D
Never a truer word spoken, but I would, on balance trust a large-scale report, that discloses its methods in obtaining a representative sample, over (and let's be fair to the OOF) an enclave of largely-like-minded people, the majority of which fit a set demographic, time of upbringing and share a common set of social influences. You are perhaps confusing this little corner of the internet with the real world?
That's a fair point..as far as OOF goes, but I don't live my whole life on OOF. I can only speak as I find, in the spheres I move in, in the part of the country I live in. And I would say that my views are fairly representative of that sphere. Metropolitan boroughs may consider themselves more forward thinking, but we don't live there, and most certainly don't subscribe to their views.
So, yes, we are having it forced down our throats, which was my original point.
Cue comments about flat caps and whippets. A minority group I'm proud to belong to, and just as pilloried as any pride march.
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Yes indeed we’re are all subject to ridicule, racism, injustice call it what you like but we just need to get on with it FFS.
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Far out...as the Dude once remarked... (https://youtu.be/51KZhYhzkPk)
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First you were critical.
Second there were no flaws in what I said.
To argue you respect someone's right to do something, but only if they aren't near you, your family or do it in public? And you don't see that as a flaw? Imagine if you placed that same restriction on heterosexual couples... there would be a big old outcry then.
Third that’s your opinion as far as I’m concerned I’m in the majority and make good sense.
No, I'm putting forward data, which clearly demonstrates you're in the minority, and what you believe/imagine doesn't have an impact on that. If you are actually in the majority of UK citizens, let's see some data. I haven't put a post in the thread detailing my opinion.
Fifth I don’t believe in fairy tales that’s your wrong assessment.
Sixth I’m not over sensitive, and know what I can say and when to say it.
Oh come on! At least read what I have written! I never made any kind of guess at what you believe. What I was saying (to be clear) is that 'white British' people, in the UK use one of a few branches of christianity (all of which are fictional in my view) as a lazy substitute for a moral compass.
Seventh who said I don’t object to parading? That’s your opinion, and I didn’t say I didn’t like the minority’s you mentioned and I’m certainly not trying to force my views on anybody if you’ve read my earlier posts you will see I’ve mentioned this many times.
You said that you don't choose to parade your masculinity, so you acknowledge you have the choice, but you don't want them to do the same with their sexual orientation/beliefs. You aren't trying to force your views on people, but you do want to suppress their right to publicly express who they are and the fact that they want equal treatment (a luxury which most of us take for granted). So you want to enforce the status quo of unequal treatment by making them sit idly by and wait for their rights to be handed to them, or indeed not ever get them.
You’re way out mate!
I am not now, nor as far as I know ever have been, your mate. :-*
So, yes, we are having it forced down our throats, which was my original point.
Cue comments about flat caps and whippets. A minority group I'm proud to belong to, and just as pilloried as any pride march.
No, I totally agree, and I'll be the first to acknowledge that modern life encourages echo chambers, chances are good we live around people who think like we do, due to common origins, upbringing etc, we seek out common viewpoints on social media, buy newspapers that reflect our views of the world back to us. Your reality is whats real to you, in the same way that those who live in Islington think paying £19 for a de-constructed Nepalese yak butter latte is normal.
Where I take issue is when people take their sphere of what normal and try to apply it across the whole country/world to try and dictate how other people should and should not behave (note I am not accusing you of doing that, just making my position clear).
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No, no flaw, surely you’ll agree heterosexual is the norm and what keeps us going as a species? Would you want to restrict that?
I believe Your data is flawed.
And you’re playing Racist/religion card?
Of course I have a choice, as do they, if they want to be treated equally behave as such. Besides I’m not trying to force my lifestyle on anyone, however they and you it seems, obviously are.
As for being your mate I hold no malice toward you at all mate :y
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No, no flaw, surely you’ll agree heterosexual is the norm and what keeps us going as a species? Would you want to restrict that?
Obviously population growth is dependent on heterosexual relationships (mostly), but its you who wants to restrict people's rights, not me.
I believe Your data is flawed.
Then prove it, or show some empirical source that backs up your standpoint, belief is irrelevant. Believing something doesn't make it correct or even statistically valid (see: tooth fairy, Santa Claus, easter bunny, flat earth believers, homeopaths, wellness advocates).
And you’re playing Racist/religion card?
No, I'm stating a fact. A significant portion of UK law and "moral standards" is based on selectively adhering to doctrines of various bits of christianity. Again, this is not my opinion, its documented and you can follow its development from English Civil War times (and probably back further) to modern days.
Of course I have a choice, as do they, if they want to be treated equally behave as such. Besides I’m not trying to force my lifestyle on anyone, however they and you it seems, obviously are.
You can only behave as equals if you have equal protection under law and by the social norms of the country in which you live. As a white heterosexual male in the UK, social norms dictate that I can walk around with my partner in more or less any area, anywhere in the country and I won't be subject to attack or abuse because of it, our social norms (generally) protect me. If I were gay, or trans and tried the same thing with my chosen partner, I'd be subjected to very different (frequently violent or abusive) treatment, so how can you expect me to behave the same? Until you experience it, which probably you never will, (on the assumption that you're a white middle aged/older heterosexual male who's unlikely to travel anywhere where there is anti-white racism) its hard to understand how it feels. I experienced non-violent racism in mainland china and that was ugly enough!
Going about your business, in public spaces is not 'forcing a lifestyle on someone'. In your view then, should Gay & Trans people accept the unequal treatment I outlined above, because you clearly don't agree with them demonstrating against their unequal treatment?
We return to the minorities' catch-22 I outlined in my first post.
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Just because I don’t like and don’t agree with their behaviour doesn’t mean that I’m going to attack or abuse them what I’m saying is Fit in for fks sale. And quote me where I’ve advocated restricting their rights. My standpoint and belief is at least as valid as yours whatever bulls#it you or I quote. Christianity is again mostly the norm in this country Too isn’t it? All humans in Britain are protected by the law, not just the few you pick out. You say “Uk law and moral standards” well that’s the law of this land is that something else you don’t agree with?
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And quote me where I’ve advocated restricting their rights.
No, you're advocating that they don't do the only thing they can (legally) to try to get equal rights - which is march/protest. You're assuming they have equal protection under UK law, which they don't, and never have.
My standpoint and belief is at least as valid as yours whatever bulls#it you or I quote.
Belief, yes, if its personal to you, I won't argue with what's inside your head, but to state belief as fact eg. "I'm in the majority" when, on the available evidence you're not, isn't valid. No more than putting an astronomer and a flat earth believer together and saying both viewpoints are equally valid. One has facts behind it, the other is what exists inside someone's head. The two are not comparable.
All humans in Britain are protected by the law, not just the few you pick out. You say “Uk law and moral standards” well that’s the law of this land is that something else you don’t agree with?
Again, you're wrong. Straight and Gay people are not treated the same under UK law. And. Never. Have. Been. You're the one who wants them to accept that they aren't equal and "just fit in" not me.
My personal belief (and I accept its apparently a minority view in these parts) is that people should be treated the same under the law regardless of their race, gender, or sexual orientation and don't agree with any area of law that discriminates against people on those characteristics.
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........which I am duty bound by the police to advise on and protect.........
(Bear with me, I am on the right thread) ;D
Having been run ragged by my elderly disabled parents for the past two years, dealing with their end of life carers etc, I was at the end of my tether both physically and emotionally. I had just got to the stage where I thought it would be easier to end my own life to escape the daily torture when I read the above comment.
It made me laugh ;D ;D and snapped me out of ending it. I should be alright for a couple of weeks with this to amuse me. :y Please keep the gags coming Lizzie, you may just save my life. ::) :)
Anyway, back on topic, which has strayed from racism to homophobic accusations somehow. :-\
I am very pleased I amused you, and you didn't take your life as that would be a waste ;)
Rather like all those who do take their lives, from the young to not so young because they are "different" and feel like outcasts, with insulting behaviour and threats made against them. That is something I am trying in my little part to change so those groups of people can safely "come out", and they know the police, with my support as a qualified advisor in this and other fields, can correctly assist them, if necessary by way of legal action against those small minded individuals who think they have the right to attack them, pushing those highly vulnerable people to the edge.
That is not so funny is it ::) ::) ;)
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Yes indeed Ron, they should treat us with the same respect and patience as we are expected to treat them. Keep it to theirselves Ffs I find it abhorrent and I don’t like my grandchildren growing up thinking sex between same sexes is normal ITS NOT!
You can't claim to respect a group and then demand they conduct their lifestyles only in private / spaces away from where you happen to be. Same-sex sexual relations are part of nature, like it or lump it, they are an observable phenomenon, in birds, marine and land-based mammals, and yes, shockingly, humans too. Just because "we" have had a couple of thousand years of religious doctrine rammed down our throats that its not the done thing doesn't make it so, along with most other things written in fiction.
I see no reason why those who identify as LGBTQ+ wouldn't want to continue marching, protesting etc. After all, they don't receive equal treatment, either under UK law or in practice 'out in the real world'. As I'm sure Lizzie can attest; throughout history, those who have sat quietly by, waiting for rights to be given to them tend to be waiting a very very long time. ::) That said, the views on the matter expressed here are the classic anti-oppression catch-22: you don't protest, you're sitting idly by so must be happy with your lot/are too lazy to fight for what you believe; get out on the streets, your making a nuisance/spectacle of yourself.
Also, on the point of what "Normal" people think, statistical data for the last 30yrs shows clearly that we now live in a society where the majority of people in the UK now support gay marriage and see nothing at all wrong with same sex relationships (11% 1981, 68% 2017). The vast majority also do not identify as prejudiced against trans people. Probably unsurprisingly
;, belief that same sex relationships are wrong tends to be much higher in 'white british' church goers (thankfully a group that is in itself in decline), black and asian communities - again linked with religion.
So in summary, far from the "Normal" most on this thread claim to be, they're actually the 'noisy minority' they choose to belittle. ;D
Well done Jimmy, you have summed that all up very nicely. You obviously understand what I, and many others out here in the real world are trying to do and say to assist a highly vulnerable number of groups within the LGBT community. They are so often victims of terrible abuse and rejection from strangers, let alone within their own families with the police having to deal with the fallout caused by "normal" people, who actually turn out to have many issues themselves. That all so often leads on to severe mental health issues, resulting frequently in suicide.
As you rightly state Jimmy "equality" or anything coming close to that they do not feel or get. I have met and discussed the issues with scores of these individuals, and it is often very disturbing how they are being treated by our so called "open minded" and fair society. All the time that is the case the police, with many advisors like me, will be kept very busy. :( :(
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Yes indeed we’re are all subject to ridicule, racism, injustice call it what you like but we just need to get on with it FFS.
No we are not subjected to the level of "ridicule, fascism, injustice" and I would add, very open hostility and humiliation that a transgendered individual goes through almost every day. So much so that many who feel that they are in the wrong body put off, maybe for decades, the inevitable decision to undergo gender reassignment. That pressure, often from a very early age, from 5 or 6 yearsold when they start to feel "wrong" and identify with the opposit gender, referred to as Gender Dysphoria, leads to depression, although they may be far too young to know that, and a wish to die. These cases, which I am very familiar with and well trained for, are about 1 in 5,000 people, a revised figures, as it was 1 in 10,000 but many more cases are coming to light as more individuals are feeling able to "come out" than ever before.
I am referring to the genuine cases of Gender Dysphoria, as assessed by qualified specialists in that field, not the many who just feel they would like to be of the opposite gender for a number of reasons, that the media have made great play on, along with indivuals who frankly have no idea about what constitutes a genuine case of GD. ;)
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Just because I don’t like and don’t agree with their behaviour doesn’t mean that I’m going to attack or abuse them what I’m saying is Fit in for fks sale. And quote me where I’ve advocated restricting their rights. My standpoint and belief is at least as valid as yours whatever bulls#it you or I quote. Christianity is again mostly the norm in this country Too isn’t it? All humans in Britain are protected by the law, not just the few you pick out. You say “Uk law and moral standards” well that’s the law of this land is that something else you don’t agree with?
Right, I must come in here and put a very simple observation in to your statement above following Jimmy's excellent posts that correctly sum up so much of the truth around the LGBT subject which I thoroughly endorse :y :y
So they should "Fit in for fks sale [sic] (you obviously meant "sake"??) ; well that is exactly what they are trying to do but regrettably our fair and decent society, which you highlight consists of "normal" people, in what you also consider to be the majority who are all the same ( ::) ::) ::)), so often will not let them by way of constant abuse and ridicule as I have mentioned many times before ::) ::)
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Personally, I think that this thread has run it's course. No one is going to suddenly change sides ;D
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Agreed. In any event, nature doesn't regard homosexuality as normal for either gender as it doesn't fulfill nature's prime directive for ANY species, that of creating more of that species. Not possible with two of the same gender!
Ron.
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Agreed. In any event, nature doesn't regard homosexuality as normal for either gender as it doesn't fulfill nature's prime directive for ANY species, that of creating more of that species. Not possible with two of the same gender!
Ron.
And that could be nature's way of controlling the population, just as she has in so many other ways :D ;)
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Personally, I think that this thread has run it's course. No one is going to suddenly change sides ;D
As you started it I must agree. You have achieved what you wanted with a very long discussion about a highly controversial subject that could run and run! ;D ;D ;D
As I said before, you rascal! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
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And quote me where I’ve advocated restricting their rights.
No, you're advocating that they don't do the only thing they can (legally) to try to get equal rights - which is march/protest. You're assuming they have equal protection under UK law, which they don't, and never have.
My standpoint and belief is at least as valid as yours whatever bulls#it you or I quote.
Belief, yes, if its personal to you, I won't argue with what's inside your head, but to state belief as fact eg. "I'm in the majority" when, on the available evidence you're not, isn't valid. No more than putting an astronomer and a flat earth believer together and saying both viewpoints are equally valid. One has facts behind it, the other is what exists inside someone's head. The two are not comparable.
All humans in Britain are protected by the law, not just the few you pick out. You say “Uk law and moral standards” well that’s the law of this land is that something else you don’t agree with?
Again, you're wrong. Straight and Gay people are not treated the same under UK law. And. Never. Have. Been. You're the one who wants them to accept that they aren't equal and "just fit in" not me.
My personal belief (and I accept its apparently a minority view in these parts) is that people should be treated the same under the law regardless of their race, gender, or sexual orientation and don't agree with any area of law that discriminates against people on those characteristics.
No, you’ve got me wrong there I agree with your last paragraph entirely even if you can’t grasp that already, and if they are not treated the same in the eyes of the law then I stand corrected, plus I did not say they weren’t equal I merely said fit in, and I’m still not convinced in your majority theory unless you are rolling all these different types into one so as to have an overwhelming pool as a representation.
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Across society as a whole, conformity and diversity are mutually exclusive. Always have been and always will be.
I think the point being raised by various conformist is that there has been so much exposure to the diversity side of the fence that conformists feel under represented by the media in general.
Personally, whilst I accept the right, (regardless of circumstance), of people to be transgender or gender neutral I reserve the right to not date outside of the traditional heterosexual pool. Also I don't watch much mainstream telly box, so remain largely unafflicted by the current media trend of over representing obscure minorities*
*Regardless of the exposure they receive LBGT people a minorities in a numerical sense when compared to the population as a whole.
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Personally, I think that this thread has run it's course. No one is going to suddenly change sides ;D
As you started it I must agree. You have achieved what you wanted with a very long discussion about a highly controversial subject that could run and run! ;D ;D ;D
As I said before, you rascal! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
There is no way I started this thread, I started a thread, tongue in cheek, about political correctness gone mad in adverts.
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Personally, I think that this thread has run it's course. No one is going to suddenly change sides ;D
As you started it I must agree. You have achieved what you wanted with a very long discussion about a highly controversial subject that could run and run! ;D ;D ;D
As I said before, you rascal! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
There is no way I started this thread, I started a thread, tongue in cheek, about political correctness gone mad in adverts.
That'll learn ya :D
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Personally, I think that this thread has run it's course. No one is going to suddenly change sides ;D
As you started it I must agree. You have achieved what you wanted with a very long discussion about a highly controversial subject that could run and run! ;D ;D ;D
As I said before, you rascal! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
There is no way I started this thread, I started a thread, tongue in cheek, about political correctness gone mad in adverts.
That'll learn ya :D
I know. It went quiet after four posts and the that troublemaking builder fella started it all off again. ;D
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Oh dear :) ....anyway we’ve all had a chance to air our views, and that is at least more than would be acceptable than in a multitude of other countries :y
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Oh dear :) ....anyway we’ve all had a chance to air our views, and that is at least more than would be acceptable than in a multitude of other countries :y
Wales, you mean? ;D
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Ha ha that’s funny ;D ;D ;D
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Oh dear :) ....anyway we’ve all had a chance to air our views, and that is at least more than would be acceptable than in a multitude of other countries :y
Now that is something we should ALL agree with :y :y
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....... It went quiet after four posts and the that troublemaking builder fella started it all off again. ;D
I was trying to keep your thread alive ,to keep your brain active
so you don't go senile ,like some of the OOFers contributing to this thread :-X ;D :D
seems content wise that no one's bothered about "Racism" (the thread title) but most OOFers can't be doing with the current over publicizing of non heterosexual relationships on Television (can't even call it TV anymore :D)
the over publicity and stupid grouping acronyms mean i can no longer eat Bacon, Lettuce & Tomato sandwiches ::)