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[Jackv6]

Looking for a v6 manual saloon is there any out there open to all types of trim anything just as long as its a manual and in the uk

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Replied to your other thread, but given you're actually looking for one, I'd personally say your best bet might be get a car/shell in decent shape, then the 'box/ancilliaries separate, then fit the one to the other. You might pass us half a dozen gems, but turn them down on the strength of being Autos, only to wind up buying a ropey old saloon based purely on the strength of it being a manual. 

[Jackv6]

I do see your point because theres alot of mint condition autos for sale out there and i have my own tools and workahop so its possible my friend did a 2l ecotec to v6 cinsversion in his calibra so it wouldnt be much differance you have any idea on price and what id need?

[05omegav6]

You can have my estate for £5,500.

[Jackv6]

Out of my price range sorry

[Diamond Black Geezer]

I know it's not exactly what the majority of people do on here, ie drifting, and certainly I'd never subject my baby to such treatment, however, what's wrong with taking an Omega and doing that? They're pence to buy, rear drive, and there's not much around these days you can get that's reliable and rear-drive, especially for such little money.

To help the OP, Omegas seem to range in price from literally a couple of hundred to about a grand for pretty damn nice ones, to the ones which have been cherished, modified with every Irmscher part available and cleaned with cotton wool every night which go above that.

With the exception of TC and ABS, they also pre-date all the modern driver aids which slap a wet fish over attempts to get sideways. Unless the OP is actually suggesting turning up at car parks or sleepy cul-de-sacs and waking up neighbours with burning rubber and wheezing dump valves, to which I would say 'please don't do that'... I'd say go for it.

Sub-£500 should get you something to start with, probably another hundred, or less for the transmission, and whatever else you want to do with suspension is... well, whatever you want to spend, really. Be it £200 or £2,000. Can't think of a better, cheaper, plentiful and more rugged RWD car to play about in, really.

[Jackv6]

Well said and no itll not be a culdi waker ahhaah track or abandand airfield only what manual box would you suggest? And do you have any knowlage on autos drifting?
Im thinking the 2.6 v6 woukd be better because i presume its lighter and easyer to find than a 3.2 and cheaper hahaa thanks

[05omegav6]

Well said and no itll not be a culdi waker ahhaah track or abandand airfield only what manual box would you suggest? And do you have any knowlage on autos drifting?
Im thinking the 2.6 v6 woukd be better because i presume its lighter and easyer to find than a 3.2 and cheaper hahaa thanks

About 10kgs lighter 

[Jackv6]

If i could find one id get it be it 2.6 or. 3.2

[Diamond Black Geezer]

  Can't offer any personal experience of swapping boxes (well, I've only ever swapped a box like-for-like, put it that way) but regarding what engine I can give you some info.

Unless I've got my thick head on, drifting isn't per se about bhp. You can drift a Morris Minor with the right driver. Now, if you want to actually go round a track in under a certain time, with the tail out, of course that's when power comes in, and the world of 1000bhp Skylines etc appears, but given you're on a budget I'm assuming you're not looking at that level of tune  It's more about tail out weekend fun for pence than speed speed speeeed, yes?

All the V6 are good. They're the same basic engine, with 'bits' added or removed. By no means comprehensive...

2.5 / 3.0 the earlier version, (verrrry nearleeee) the same as the Calibra/Cav/early Vectra engine. Lots of Calibra boys out there with lots of mods they do. They are notable by and large by their 'short plenum' (look it up) have visible ICV and EGR valves. Proper cable throttle. 6 x proper HT leads, one coil pack.

2.6/3.2s were not made to make more powerrrrrr. They were a compromise of the engine to get around new emissions claptrap. The displacement was increased, but the compression was reduced. It is said they are worse on fuel than the earlier engines. Not perhaps a massive issue for yourself. Notable by their 'long plenum.' Electronic drive by wire throttle. Each cyl bank gets separate coil packs.
The later engines got smoother flowing exhaust manifolds. Most(all?) 2.6/3.2s did away with the EGR and ICV.

The 'big' version of each, so 3.0 and 3.2 got the high lift 'G cams' as fitted to the Vectra Supertouring and GSis 2.5. Adds a theoretical 20bhp to the 2.5 Omegas when fitted.

I'm biased, I own a 2.5. Personally I'd say get any of the V6s, but you don't need the 3.0/3.2, don't feel you're short changing yourself by getting the 'lesser' V6s. But I would say that. 


The theoretical perfect Omega engine is a 3.0, manual, with the egr removed, free-er flowing 2.6/3.2 manifolds, plus a few other bits here n there. Some say fitting 4 x G cams gives more grunt, others argue gives a wobbly power delivery (probably true)


There is lots above I've ever simplified, and some I've deliberately ignored and some I've no doubt inadvertently got wrong, but hopefully to a 'beginner' this will prove useful. 

[Jackv6]

Yes very useful, so really im wanting the older 2.5 for its simplicity to work on, as i would be doing the work my self and im no vauxhall master technition. And possible put swap cams and other bits and bobs off the bigger 3.0 and no im not needing massive power just want something thats going to keep chugging along and not fall on its arse half way though a decent corner. This is why i think the omega is a perfect candiate because of its power, price and relitive ease to work on and yes i have experiance with calibras as my friend owns two a dtm 4x4 turbo (rare) and a 2.0l ecowreck thats now got a 2.5v6 so pretty well versed on them and from what iv read and along with what you said they are verynearly the same platform

[05omegav6]

Yes very useful, so really im wanting the older 2.5 for its simplicity to work on, as i would be doing the work my self and im no vauxhall master technition. And possible put swap cams and other bits and bobs off the bigger 3.0 and no im not needing massive power just want something thats going to keep chugging along and not fall on its arse half way though a decent corner. This is why i think the omega is a perfect candiate because of its power, price and relitive ease to work on and yes i have experiance with calibras as my friend owns two a dtm 4x4 turbo (rare) and a 2.0l ecowreck thats now got a 2.5v6 so pretty well versed on them and from what iv read and along with what you said they are verynearly the same platform

If you insist on being an arse... then buy this, but be quick about it...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-3-2-LSD-spares-repair-banger-/351634131821?hash=item51df070b6d:g:4x0AAOSw5dNWnktk

[Jackv6]

No need for the cheek

[Nick W]

Yes very useful, so really im wanting the older 2.5 for its simplicity to work on, as i would be doing the work my self and im no vauxhall master technition. And possible put swap cams and other bits and bobs off the bigger 3.0 and no im not needing massive power just want something thats going to keep chugging along and not fall on its arse half way though a decent corner. This is why i think the omega is a perfect candiate because of its power, price and relitive ease to work on and yes i have experiance with calibras as my friend owns two a dtm 4x4 turbo (rare) and a 2.0l ecowreck thats now got a 2.5v6 so pretty well versed on them and from what iv read and along with what you said they are verynearly the same platform

If you insist on being an arse... then buy this, but be quick about it...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-omega-3-2-LSD-spares-repair-banger-/351634131821?hash=item51df070b6d:g:4x0AAOSw5dNWnktk

I'd normally be quite tempted by that ecpecially if the price stands. I reckon it's only a couple of miles away too.

[Jackv6]

Well its 6 and a half hours away from me pal otherwise id have it gunna have a think on it today though

[05omegav6]

No need for the cheek

It wasn't cheek.

All the v6s are basically identical... but...

the 2.5/3.0 have alot more rubbish in the engine bay to work around, but they do have mechanical throttles, so possibly more responsive.

The 2.6/3.2 produce more power and torque, are easier to work on as the emission control is all electronic, however they have an electrically controlled throttle, which some find less responsive.

In practical terms the 2.5 won't pull the skin off a rice pudding, 99% of the Petrol Omegas currently for sale are autos... if you want to keep insurance costs to a mimimum and don't/can't/won't swap a C20Let into a four pot Omega, then you could do worse than buying a cheap 2.2dti and run it until the fuel pump goes bang... it has a turbo, which will entertain your car park mates, and it produces almost as much torque as the 3.2... the best bit is that they're all manual.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

If you know your Cav/Calibra C25XEs then you'll have no issue working on even the last Y32SEs, all 'basically' the same, however, as you say the 2.5s (and 3.0s) are the 'simplest' of the Omega V6 choices.

Not as rugged as the old CIH straight sixes in the Carltons/Sennys, but decent enough, nonetheless. Also if you're fitting a manual the lighter flywheel is meant to let the engine spool up very quickly. It's a pretty free and fast-revving enging anyway, but which is somewhat slowed down for those of us with cobwebs on our left foot 

[zirk]

Well said and no itll not be a culdi waker ahhaah track or abandand airfield only what manual box would you suggest? And do you have any knowlage on autos drifting?
Im thinking the 2.6 v6 woukd be better because i presume its lighter and easyer to find than a 3.2 and cheaper hahaa thanks

About 30 Bhp lighter 

Fixed that

[zirk]

I might be half tempted to get rid of one of my Ex Plods, thats currently collecting dust, was in two minds whether to keep or sell anyway as dont just have time on my hands and probably need the parking space soon anyway.

Its a 3.0 Ex FL Police Manual Saloon with 3.9 LSD diff ratio (Manuals normally had 3.7), Metalic Blue, was originally fro Merseyside Force way.

Engine, Box and LSD wise is bang on, body work is tidy ish, for a YR2000, goes a bit quicker off the mark due to the 3.9 diff, can be a bit daunting at high Motorway speeds due to the higher Rev's for the 3.9 ratio.

If you want to send it sideways, you will need to sort out the suspension as the back end set up does'nt really like it when the LSD kicks in (Has Police Springs, so probably shocks worn), suspension is fine for every day driving, just being honest.

Currently SORN, MOT out, but shoudn't be a problem, my need Exhaust by now for the MOT, Cats are OK, what else, cant think.

PM me if interested.

Oh, and it has a Short Shift Manual stick in there as well.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Sounds good