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Andy B

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Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« on: 12 April 2011, 20:16:32 »
What voting system do we want? I'm leaning to a 'Yes' vote but not sure  :-/ :-/
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #1 on: 12 April 2011, 20:25:39 »
Personally I have no idea on this one. And I have little enthusiasm to find any information. I think I reached that point in my life where I find voting a chore, and ineffective.
I probably will vote but it will leave a sour taste.
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #2 on: 12 April 2011, 20:28:51 »
im still undecided   either way the crooks mps will probably gain something whichever way it goes :(
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #3 on: 12 April 2011, 20:29:48 »
AV = a vote for mediocrity IMHO  .. :(

No need to try and win .. just get as many "2nd" votes as you can ..  and the so called "adverts" always show that "A" eventualy wins ... actually in real life  "B" or "C" can win just as easily, with hardly any "1st" votes.

If it was so good, wouldn't more countries use it ??? and why is it that ALL the countries that use have bodged coalition governments ?
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #4 on: 12 April 2011, 20:33:17 »
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AV = a vote for mediocrity IMHO  .. :(

No need to try and win .. just get as many "2nd" votes as you can ..  and the so called "adverts" always show that "A" eventualy wins ... actually in real life  "B" or "C" can win just as easily, with hardly any "1st" votes.

If it was so good, wouldn't more countries use it ??? and why is it that ALL the countries that use have bodged coalition governments ?

A good valid argument ............  :y

I'm still undecided  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #5 on: 12 April 2011, 20:35:41 »
I was going t make the same post Andy.. ::) ::)

I really have no idea, and I do not really understand this AV thing, even with Entwoods explanation... ::) :-/ :-[
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #6 on: 12 April 2011, 20:42:07 »
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I was going t make the same post Andy.. ::) ::)

I really have no idea, and I do not really understand this AV thing, even with Entwoods explanation... ::) :-/ :-[

The Yes campaign seems better presented than the No  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #7 on: 12 April 2011, 20:46:15 »
Just to add some details .. AV is used in 3 countries in the world ..

Fiji, Australia and Papua New Guinea

WOW ... impressive support for such a "brilliant" system don't you think ??

Our present "first past the post" system is used in over 50 countries ..... so why change ?? It's not broken so don't try and fix it ....  EXCEPT that AV gives the "little parties" .. like Lib Dems, Greens, BNP .. more power so they want it.

Main danger is apathy ... most folks don't understand or care .. so the few that do will vote "yes" and may get it in "by default" .. :(

2 sides ..

NO - http://www.no2av.org/

Yes - http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=55

Have a read .. it is the future of UK voting .. and therefore the way we are governed that is at stake .. :(
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #8 on: 12 April 2011, 20:50:34 »
It'll make no difference in real terms.
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #9 on: 12 April 2011, 20:53:44 »
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It'll make no difference in real terms.


Unfortunately I believe you are very wrong ..  it will lead to many more "hung" parliaments where the minority parties have too much power as they broker "deals" ... :(  Always ends with weak governments that are always looking over their shoulders at the minority parties wishes... even when those parties have miniscule support
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #10 on: 12 April 2011, 21:08:35 »
i cant see the point in voting anymore, all the mps are out for what they can get and the eu tell us what we can and cannot do.
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #11 on: 12 April 2011, 21:13:45 »
I can see a lot of UKIP Cons

But unfortunately a lot of

Socialist Striker Lab
Green Lab
Independant Lab

Here is a good example we had 2 right of centre and about 7 or so left of centre, luckily we got rid of the lefty.
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #12 on: 12 April 2011, 21:31:41 »
If you wish to see a talking shop with deals being cobbled together to achieve a forced consensus, vote ‘Yes’.

If you wish minor parties to have a disproportionate say in legislative policy, vote ‘Yes’.

If you wish to see a posturing executive operated by gimlet-eyed functionaries betraying their core values to maintain their grip on power at all costs, vote ‘Yes’.

If you wish to see this country descend into the miasma of coalition politics, where the incumbents will be all but impossible to discharge, vote ‘Yes’.

In short, should you wish to see a cluster opps of those wishing to represent the people of this nation in some semblance of democratic integrity, vote ‘Yes’.

Should you not wish tom see any of the foregoing and hope that strong majority will once more return to this country then vote ‘No’.

Remember always - Vote early - Vote often and make sure those votes fall into the 'No' category.
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #13 on: 12 April 2011, 21:42:05 »
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It'll make no difference in real terms.


Unfortunately I believe you are very wrong ..  it will lead to many more "hung" parliaments where the minority parties have too much power as they broker "deals" ... :(  Always ends with weak governments that are always looking over their shoulders at the minority parties wishes... even when those parties have miniscule support
Yeah, even i undrstand that but the previous fully elected governments have bit by bit bought us to our knees. We have no industry. Sheffield steel has gone to Corus now Tata or outo compu...ask yourself why? No engineering, no ship bulding, no mining....

    WHY?
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
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It'll make no difference in real terms.


Unfortunately I believe you are very wrong ..  it will lead to many more "hung" parliaments where the minority parties have too much power as they broker "deals" ... :(  Always ends with weak governments that are always looking over their shoulders at the minority parties wishes... even when those parties have miniscule support
Yeah, even i undrstand that but the previous fully elected governments have bit by bit bought us to our knees. We have no industry. Sheffield steel has gone to Corus now Tata or outo compu...ask yourself why? No engineering, no ship bulding, no mining....

    WHY?


Because the "left wing luvvies" prevented the business men from doing what they do best .. running successful businesses.

Steel was a going concern until nationalised, as were many other concerns.

Nationalisation destroyed the engineering base of the country as it removed "accountability" from the board room, but inserted "power to the workers" .... whose ability to organise a demonstration was exemplary .. but whose ability to run a company was woeful.

Unfortunately the idea that the "workers know best" still exists .. but now in the Public Sector Unions.

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