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[Varche]

Is this forthcoming test in preparation for the Russians escalating the Ukraine conflict by disconnecting our undersea power and communcations cables?

Been plenty of evidence of them scoping out Scandinavian undersea infrastructure recently tooas well as North Sea stuff. They have had the ability to cut submarine cables for ages.

Might just be used as “ something wee could do” bargaining tool in the summer peace talks. Neither side can win in my view.

What do you think?

[Doctor Gollum]

I suspect a larger global threat.

[Sir Tigger KC]

There's an interesting article about this in The Telegraph today and here's a thought provoking extract.

"Russia is probing for European vulnerabilities. Apart from food, the daily critical requirements of modern society are energy and communications. The underwater arteries of modern civilisation are surprisingly few. For example, just three pipelines deliver 43 per cent of our baseline gas supply. Five interconnectors deliver electricity to and from the UK and Europe (and one more between Britain and Ireland). There are more communications cables, about 70 in all, but a relatively small number of deep-sea sabotage operations could bring our world to a halt without a shot being fired. We were assured that wind farms would bolster our energy security, but few considered their military exposure."

Bob Seely, The Telegraph 20th April 2023

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/20/vladimir-putin-is-preparing-to-attack-the-uk/

Think about how easily (or so it seems) that Nord Stream 2 was blown up and apparently they still don't know for sure who dunnit! 

[STEMO]

There's an interesting article about this in The Telegraph today and here's a thought provoking extract.

"Russia is probing for European vulnerabilities. Apart from food, the daily critical requirements of modern society are energy and communications. The underwater arteries of modern civilisation are surprisingly few. For example, just three pipelines deliver 43 per cent of our baseline gas supply. Five interconnectors deliver electricity to and from the UK and Europe (and one more between Britain and Ireland). There are more communications cables, about 70 in all, but a relatively small number of deep-sea sabotage operations could bring our world to a halt without a shot being fired. We were assured that wind farms would bolster our energy security, but few considered their military exposure."

Bob Seely, The Telegraph 20th April 2023

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/20/vladimir-putin-is-preparing-to-attack-the-uk/

Think about how easily (or so it seems) that Nord Stream 2 was blown up and apparently they still don't know for sure who dunnit! 

Yes, but actions such as cutting power or communications would be seen as an act of war. Then we could cut their communications by nuking the Kremlin.

[Sir Tigger KC]

There's an interesting article about this in The Telegraph today and here's a thought provoking extract.

"Russia is probing for European vulnerabilities. Apart from food, the daily critical requirements of modern society are energy and communications. The underwater arteries of modern civilisation are surprisingly few. For example, just three pipelines deliver 43 per cent of our baseline gas supply. Five interconnectors deliver electricity to and from the UK and Europe (and one more between Britain and Ireland). There are more communications cables, about 70 in all, but a relatively small number of deep-sea sabotage operations could bring our world to a halt without a shot being fired. We were assured that wind farms would bolster our energy security, but few considered their military exposure."

Bob Seely, The Telegraph 20th April 2023

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/20/vladimir-putin-is-preparing-to-attack-the-uk/

Think about how easily (or so it seems) that Nord Stream 2 was blown up and apparently they still don't know for sure who dunnit! 

Yes, but actions such as cutting power or communications would be seen as an act of war. Then we could cut their communications by nuking the Kremlin.

Yeeeeeaah OK. The Western world has hummed and haaaed about giving the Ukrainians a few old tanks in case it upsets Putin, so the idea we'll nuke the Kremlin if he disconnects a windfarm..... 

[Varche]

A few nuclear torpedoes ( Thames estuary , Netherlands) in response…..

I still think it is just posturing prior to a concerted peace process in summer.

[TheBoy]

Is this forthcoming test in preparation for the Russians escalating the Ukraine conflict by disconnecting our undersea power and communcations cables?

This has been planned for much longer than this.  There were some small scale tests a while back, so national tests were always next.

It has the potential to be useful, and given that adverse weather conditions and climate change are a thing now (although no proper evidence its manmade - but thats one for another day), having local alerts must be a good thing.

Remember, everybody but me cuddles their phone every second of every day, and nobody under the age of 50 watches BBC/Sky/Whatever TV News, so its a convenient medium.

Its all irrelevant if WWIII breaks out, as nuclear capabilities between the superpowers still work on the MAD concept of deterrent.

[dave the builder]

It has the potential to be useful, and given that adverse weather conditions and climate change are a thing now (although no proper evidence its manmade - but thats one for another day), having local alerts must be a good thing.

Remember, everybody but me cuddles their phone every second of every day, and nobody under the age of 50 watches BBC/Sky/Whatever TV News, so its a convenient medium.

I don't use the internet on my phone (though it has that capability, HTC one M8 2014  )
I can still find out what the weather is doing 
I use "windows" 
NOT the new-fangled Microsoft version , the old type ,made of see through glass 

[TheBoy]

Well, quite.  Us non millenials, non Londonium specimens can poke our nose outside and tell what its going to be doing for a few hours.  And use a barometer to tell whats likely to happen in the next couple of days.

But in all seriousness, for things like flooding, it could be a useful tool to get people to evacuate if required, rather than emergency services banging door to door.

[STEMO]

Well, quite.  Us non millenials, non Londonium specimens can poke our nose outside and tell what its going to be doing for a few hours.  And use a barometer to tell whats likely to happen in the next couple of days.

But in all seriousness, for things like flooding, it could be a useful tool to get people to evacuate if required, rather than emergency services banging door to door.

That's if anyone took any notice of it. Trust in the powers that be has been eroded so much over the last twenty years or so, that I doubt anyone would evacuate until the water was coming through the letterbox.

[STEMO]

And only then after packing a suitcase and making suitable arrangements for the dog/cat/budgie/granny.

[YZ250]

.......
Remember, everybody but me cuddles their phone every second of every day, and nobody under the age of 50 watches BBC/Sky/Whatever TV News, so its a convenient medium.
..........

This is partly true for the women in my family but the exact opposite for some of the men. If I text one of them, I'll get a reply about three days later and with the others I get a late reply as their mobile phone is sat on the dashboard of their van all day. 
I can see the point in principle but believe we all have a built in distrust in our own government now.    I do see the logic of not broadcasting it on BBC, as only the ten people who watch BBC would see it, and that would be a massive task for those ten people to let everyone else know about the impending doom. 

[Doctor Gollum]

And only then after packing a suitcase and making suitable arrangements for the dog/cat/budgie/granny.

Prepare to be prepared. Leave in a panic and leave all the important stuff behind.

[STEMO]

And only then after packing a suitcase and making suitable arrangements for the dog/cat/budgie/granny.

Prepare to be prepared. Leave in a panic and leave all the important stuff behind.

That's not the point I was making. If you receive an alert telling you to go, you should go.

[Varche]

Where is  Dave the builder? Probably in his bunker or building others!

[dave the builder]

Where is  Dave the builder? Probably in his bunker or building others!

they send me the warning texts way before sending it to cannon fodder/general public 

[Drewomega]

But in all seriousness, for things like flooding, it could be a useful tool to get people to evacuate if required, rather than emergency services banging door to door.

TB! as I live right next to the river Spey. My insurance company insists that I join SEPA (Scottish Environmental Protection Agency) which I have done for many years now. (mind you it does no good if I am in Mallorca as I am at the moment).
It works well apart from losing my first Omega in 2008 in a flood when I was doing things in Libya.
So I get texts and updates as to the current situation at the time.
So if it works for us oop north I cannot see the the problem that people seem to be having with this! 

[ronnyd]

But in all seriousness, for things like flooding, it could be a useful tool to get people to evacuate if required, rather than emergency services banging door to door.

TB! as I live right next to the river Spey. My insurance company insists that I join SEPA (Scottish Environmental Protection Agency) which I have done for many years now. (mind you it does no good if I am in Mallorca as I am at the moment).
It works well apart from losing my first Omega in 2008 in a flood when I was doing things in Libya.
So I get texts and updates as to the current situation at the time.
So if it works for us oop north I cannot see the the problem that people seem to be having with this! 

Killing Gadaffi?

[Drewomega]

Killing Gadaffi?

Twas not me guv honest!  I know nuffink 

[TheBoy]

But in all seriousness, for things like flooding, it could be a useful tool to get people to evacuate if required, rather than emergency services banging door to door.

TB! as I live right next to the river Spey. My insurance company insists that I join SEPA (Scottish Environmental Protection Agency) which I have done for many years now. (mind you it does no good if I am in Mallorca as I am at the moment).
It works well apart from losing my first Omega in 2008 in a flood when I was doing things in Libya.
So I get texts and updates as to the current situation at the time.
So if it works for us oop north I cannot see the the problem that people seem to be having with this! 

Trouble with SMS is that it doesn't scale up without big delays, and also requires (only) residents to sign up, and remember to manage that membership when phones change etc.

Hence using the technology built into the later cellular standards to allow emergency broadcasts.

The technology is a good enough idea, but like everything else, if the governments abuse it, people will simply disable it...   ...right up until the point the government mandate to the cellular providers that it cant be disabled....

[Sir Tigger KC]

The technology is a good enough idea, but like everything else, if the governments abuse it, people will simply disable it...   ...right up until the point the government mandate to the cellular providers that it cant be disabled....

I think that the general lack of trust in our Government is evident in the interest shown in how to disable these messages. 

And that's before they have even used it! 

[YZ250]

The technology is a good enough idea, but like everything else, if the governments abuse it, people will simply disable it...   ...right up until the point the government mandate to the cellular providers that it cant be disabled....

I think that the general lack of trust in our Government is evident in the interest shown in how to disable these messages. 

And that's before they have even used it! 

I saw a clip of Jacob Rees-Mogg saying that he’d disabled his alert notifications. 

[Migalot]

The technology is a good enough idea, but like everything else, if the governments abuse it, people will simply disable it...   ...right up until the point the government mandate to the cellular providers that it cant be disabled....

I think that the general lack of trust in our Government is evident in the interest shown in how to disable these messages. 

And that's before they have even used it! 

I saw a clip of Jacob Rees-Mogg saying that he’d disabled his alert notifications. 

Indeed he did. It's here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYtVMdh7kkE

[TheBoy]

The technology is a good enough idea, but like everything else, if the governments abuse it, people will simply disable it...   ...right up until the point the government mandate to the cellular providers that it cant be disabled....

I think that the general lack of trust in our Government is evident in the interest shown in how to disable these messages. 

And that's before they have even used it! 

Which is why we need a new Government I think.  Not that any of the others will be as good because they are all leftie leftovers who couldn't get a real job.

But I'll keep my alerts enabled until it is abused.

[TheBoy]

The technology is a good enough idea, but like everything else, if the governments abuse it, people will simply disable it...   ...right up until the point the government mandate to the cellular providers that it cant be disabled....

I think that the general lack of trust in our Government is evident in the interest shown in how to disable these messages. 

And that's before they have even used it! 

I saw a clip of Jacob Rees-Mogg saying that he’d disabled his alert notifications. 

Ah, that waste of carbon doesn't count.  He's only ever looking for his next 2 minutes of fame.

Or to quote my dad, 200 million sperm, and that was the fastest?

[Rangie]

I certainly won't be taking any notice of any of this utter nonsense, alert load of cobblers.

[Doctor Gollum]

Neither my phone or my work one even buzzed

[countrywoman]

Neither did my phone, obviously not worth saving!!

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Three of us here and none of us got the alert. They cant even organise that between the lot of them.
Maybe they need to increase taxes further to pay for a proper job. 

[Rangie]

Another success story then, unfortunately my phone was switched off as I was enjoying a pint or two ..🍺🍺

[BazaJT]

It seems my phone received it,don't know whether it buzzed or not as I'd dozed off after my Sunday dinner[I'm not posh enough to have lunch]as is usual and only noticed when I woke up and saw the little light flashing to show me i'd received a message.

[Mr Skrunts]

I got a message to one of my phones but it was 2 mins early.

Where /who do I complain to?

[Sir Tigger KC]

I was in Wales this arvo and got the message. 

The spoken part was in Welsh....    Less than 20% of people living in Wales speak Welsh, so over 80% couldn't understand it and not only that, it was from an automated female voice with an American accent, so the less than 20% who can speak Welsh, probably couldn't understand the Welsh with an American accent either, which no doubt completely bastardised some of the Welsh words! 

Eventually, 'she' did it all again in English, by which time in a real emergency we'd all be dead!   

N.B. According to Google in 2021 17.8% of the Welsh population spoke Welsh, down from 19% in 2011.  (Census figures)

[STEMO]

To those of you who received the signal: Your Covid vaccine chips have now been activated. Instructions will shortly be transmitted telling you how to vote in the local elections.

[Sir Tigger KC]

To those of you who received the signal: Your Covid vaccine chips have now been activated. Instructions will shortly be transmitted telling you how to vote in the local elections.

Oh that's alright then, I thought we'd all be self destructing in 24 hours! 

[Rangie]

To those of you who received the signal: Your Covid vaccine chips have now been activated. Instructions will shortly be transmitted telling you how to vote in the local elections.

.



I knew it was a conspiracy all along..😂😂😂

[Andy B]

I was in Wales this arvo and got the message. 

The spoken part was in Welsh....    Less than 20% of people living in Wales speak Welsh, so over 80% couldn't understand it and not only that, it was from an automated female voice with an American accent, so the less than 20% who can speak Welsh, probably couldn't understand the Welsh with an American accent either, which no doubt completely bastardised some of the Welsh words! 

Eventually, 'she' did it all again in English, by which time in a real emergency we'd all be dead!   

N.B. According to Google in 2021 17.8% of the Welsh population spoke Welsh, down from 19% in 2011.  (Census figures)

you got a different message from me then .... I just got an alarm, no spoken bit

[Doctor Gollum]

No alarm and no message, spoken or otherwise

Does this mean my covid chip was activated or not? Or was it just a placebo 

[TheBoy]

I'll let you know if my phone received it if and when I find it.

Mrs TB's did, made her jump


Sir Tig, she got not spoken bit, just an onscreen msg with the audio siren.  But if nobody in Wales speaks Taff, why the opps are they renaming everywhere important with the Taff names instead?

[STEMO]

I'll let you know if my phone received it if and when I find it.

Mrs TB's did, made her jump


Sir Tig, she got not spoken bit, just an onscreen msg with the audio siren.  But if nobody in Wales speaks Taff, why the opps are they renaming everywhere important with the Taff names instead?

For exactly the same reason as governments do anything these days, to placate the 1%.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sir Tig, she got not spoken bit, just an onscreen msg with the audio siren.  But if nobody in Wales speaks Taff, why the opps are they renaming everywhere important with the Taff names instead?

Maybe it was just in Wales where they did the spoken bit?   

Wales is effectively a one party state run by useless far left woke student activist types.... 

[Raeturbo]

And a cu🤮t for a leader

[STEMO]

And a cu🤮t for a leader

Cont noun feminine, if you don't mind.

[Raeturbo]

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