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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Viral_Jim on 25 July 2022, 15:25:37
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Collected the new car on Saturday, drove it home 140miles, no issues. Got in it yesterday morning to go to the local shop.... Oh cr@p
The car felt a touch rough at idle, but I did wonder if it was just being a cold diesel. So I took it out anyway and it felt like it had about 40bhp, give it a shoe full and it got up a bit, but immediately threw a "Restricted Performance" message on the dash and actually stalled as I came to a halt. ::)
So I spoke to the supplying dealer and agreed for it to go to a local specialist for diagnosis and repair with them picking up the tab. That was an interesting journey trying to stop the bugger dying in traffic. :o. Its showing a pair of codes for a NOX sensor and turbo under-boost, neither of which is a smoking gun. The specialist has sent the codes and live data to autologic to see what insight they have to direct further diagnosis.
2017, 51,000 miles, Full LR service history.... something of an unpromising start. :-\
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The joy of buying used cars! You can only do so much checking and testing when you look at a car, it's only when you've had them a short period you find out why they may have been traded in!
I'm having a steep learning curve at the moment researching part numbers etc for the BMW. After years of Omega ownership it's like going back to school!
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What engine is in it?
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Hate changing vehicles, when I bought my Range Rover Sport (privately) I booked it in at a recommended independent & told him to do whatever needs doing his answer was once it goes over £2,000 I'll give you a call, never got that call cost me £1400 and it's been perfect ever since just requiring an annual service. All advice is to avoid LR main dealerships, hope you get it sorted they are terrific vehicles despite the problems.
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What engine is in it?
The SD4, (230? PS I think).
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Not a hint of anger in your post, Jim. I'd be asking the supplying dealer if he'd ever had something the size of a Land Rover up his miserable arse ;D
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Have you found the oil leak yet Jim? ;D
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Have you found the oil leak yet Jim? ;D
The oil leak? Singular? ;D
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Not a hint of anger in your post, Jim. I'd be asking the supplying dealer if he'd ever had something the size of a Land Rover up his miserable arse ;D
Problem is everyone blames the dealer but the reality is that the dealer probably didn't know there was an issue, the person he bought it off most likely did know though! It's how the dealer manages the problem that matters.
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Not a hint of anger in your post, Jim. I'd be asking the supplying dealer if he'd ever had something the size of a Land Rover up his miserable arse ;D
I'm a very Zen individual these days Ste. Its amazing what a divorce from the right woman can do for your mental state ;D
Have you found the oil leak yet Jim? ;D
Are we talking about the LR now? I've chased several oil leaks around the zafira lately so wasn't sure if you meant that ;D
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Have you found the oil leak yet Jim? ;D
Are we talking about the LR now? I've chased several oil leaks around the zafira lately so wasn't sure if you meant that ;D
Of course, didn't you know that oil leak aren't optional extras with LR's? :)
Maybe they should move to a subscription model for oil leaks. The more you pay the bigger the leak! ;D
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Ahh, you're referring to the old Land Rover CVAC system :y
Continuously
Variable
Anti
Corrosion
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Ahh, you're referring to the old Land Rover CVAC system :y
Continuously
Variable
Anti
Corrosion
That system failed to work on my beloved Silver Bullet, or the Battlebus :(. Hence, they are both baked beanz tins now ;D
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Standard Ford Duratorq engine, underboost and NOx are clues, I would be checking for a stuck EGR valve in need of a clean and a clean of the boost pressure sensor, then a quick check for split pipes
I am more concerned that this garage is not even thinking about the symptoms and codes, they are just sending it off for a third party guess
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Standard Ford Duratorq engine, underboost and NOx are clues, I would be checking for a stuck EGR valve in need of a clean and a clean of the boost pressure sensor, then a quick check for split pipes
I am more concerned that this garage is not even thinking about the symptoms and codes, they are just sending it off for a third party guess
Customer service 101... Make the customer think that you are doing something.
And if the selling dealer is miles away, it is easier for them to have someone independent near you, the customer, look at it.
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I am more concerned that this garage is not even thinking about the symptoms and codes, they are just sending it off for a third party guess
I wouldn't be at this stage.
As I am not paying I have asked them to do only what the supplying dealer asked for at the time they ask for it. They did have a poke about under the bonnet while the computer was doing its thing but said they couldn't see anything split or that had come off. The indie did speculate to me that it could be a sticky EGR, or a DPF beginning to clog. What they actually proposed to me was to get the car in, on the ramp and start looking it over properly. Which is the obvious answer, but until the supplying dealer authorises that time to be spent, it won't happen.
For the very little its worth I am not sure I "buy" the DPF or split hose suggestions, reason being that when I took the car in, the first thing they did was clear the pre-existing codes (after taking a record of them) and suggest I test drive it to see what codes came back. By the time I'd been round the block and returned to the garage it was running really rough (more early 2000's ford TDDI than 2015 Duratorq), but as soon as I switched it off and on again it was back to idling normally. I am not sure how a split hose or clogged DPF would give these syptoms as cycling the ignition wouldn't unsplit or unclog anything. Assuming the EGR has some electronic actuator on it, then that could well be a plausible root cause.
Customer service 101... Make the customer think that you are doing something.
And if the selling dealer is miles away, it is easier for them to have someone independent near you, the customer, look at it.
I don't think anyone in this process is incentivised to drag their heels. I've already made the supplying dealer I am aware of my rights vis a vis returning the vehicle and for my part I really want to be driving the thing, not parking it at the garage. ;D
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Sorry to hear this, Jim. :-\
I know that LR are not best known for peerless reliability but it is still a pain in the arse.
After it is fixed hopefully you will get many years of trouble free motoring. :y
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Had a split turbo hose last year towing the caravan back from Devon, slight loss of power and a bit of black smoke once rested at the services ran perfectly till we got home replaced at my indie for £18.00.
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It's not about dragging heels so much as creating the illusion of doing something whilst actually passing the buck to someone else :-X
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So, we progress, although not all that far...
After running through the required diagnostics, the garage found that the issue is a badly cracked inlet manifold. I have no idea how this would make the problem intermittent as described but there we are... that's why I am not a mechanic.
The problem is that, it being 2022, there aren't any to be bought from LR as apparently they are on back order. The supplying dealer is trying to persuade the LR dealer network to cough one up that is already allocated to a job (apparently they are about half a dozen found so far, in various corners of the UK).
Where I have left it with the dealer is that if they can find a new, unused genuine part (complete with genuine LR/dealer invoice) within a couple of days then I am happy to proceed with the repair. If they cannot, then the car will need to be returned to them. At this rate this could be by far and away the shortest car ownership experience of my life :-\
The failure of such a major component after 5yrs/51,000 miles also doesn't bode well for the long term but hey ho, that's a problem for another day. ;D
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My engine is a Ford/Pug production, and guess what? Yup, prone to split intake fanimolds. I thought I had one a couple of years ago, as it kept going into Restricted Perfromance all the time (a restart cures it, temporarily). Fortunately in my case, it was a split (plastic) throttle body, so that only took me 30 mins to fix, not 8+ hours on one of the manifolds.
Given that you've only had it 30s, I wouldn't mind betting thats why the previous owner got shot of it. Although hopefully on your engine, its a far simpler job than on mine.
I don't think JLR products deserve the reliability reputation they get. Yes, a BMW era 1990's Range Rover was a crock, more so that a BL era one. But since parting with BMW, I think quality and reliability has improved. A warning to all companies - good reputation is worth hanging on to at the expense of short term profit, bad reputation can take decades to change.
Although, JLR clearly need to change their bought-in engine manifolds, and also change their door latch provider ;D
Hope it gets sorted quickly, and you can start to enjoy what is a nice place to be when cruising around.
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Being a simpleton, I would have thought that making things out of plastic, when the operate a) under pressure and b) in a high temperature environment (in this case a very short distance away from the dpf for one thing) would be a recipe for problems. But hey, what do I know…
It is a shame though, because the car is a genuinely lovely place to sit, far nicer than the competition offer, in fact that’s what persuaded me to set aside my misgivings about the brand and buy one. Not that I’ve had more luck with certain other brands in the past ;D.
The supplying dealer are having the car taken back to them today on a low loader. It remains to be seen if I ever see it again… :-\
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So, we progress, although not all that far...
After running through the required diagnostics, the garage found that the issue is a badly cracked inlet manifold. I have no idea how this would make the problem intermittent as described but there we are... that's why I am not a mechanic.
The problem is that, it being 2022, there aren't any to be bought from LR as apparently they are on back order. The supplying dealer is trying to persuade the LR dealer network to cough one up that is already allocated to a job (apparently they are about half a dozen found so far, in various corners of the UK).
Where I have left it with the dealer is that if they can find a new, unused genuine part (complete with genuine LR/dealer invoice) within a couple of days then I am happy to proceed with the repair. If they cannot, then the car will need to be returned to them. At this rate this could be by far and away the shortest car ownership experience of my life :-\
The failure of such a major component after 5yrs/51,000 miles also doesn't bode well for the long term but hey ho, that's a problem for another day. ;D
Yes.....if the period without your new wheels is brief it may be the way to go......I wouldn't let it drag on though.
How much warranty came with the car?
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Being a simpleton, I would have thought that making things out of plastic, when the operate a) under pressure and b) in a high temperature environment (in this case a very short distance away from the dpf for one thing) would be a recipe for problems. But hey, what do I know…
I know. I assumed it was unique of my V6 in mine, being made by the rotten combination of Ford and Peugeot.... ....what could possibly go worng? But since learnt its quite widespread now :(
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Yes.....if the period without your new wheels is brief it may be the way to go......I wouldn't let it drag on though.
How much warranty came with the car?
Indeed, I'm giving them fair chance to find a part, but I reckon if they haven't magicked one up in the next 48hrs, it won't be forthcoming.
Warranty is 3yrs, £10k claim limit, total limit to the invoice value of the car. Covers everything as far as I can tell. Not that we're dipping into that yet, currently it's all on the supplying dealer.
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Indeed, I'm giving them fair chance to find a part, but I reckon if they haven't magicked one up in the next 48hrs, it won't be forthcoming. ....
anything on eBay? :-\ :-\
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A possibility, and 100% one I would look into if the car were out of warranty Andy. TBH at the moment I have plenty on with a house move, and job change in the space of a month, so I am letting the garage get on with it for now. I also don't have a part number to hand to know what I am looking for.
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A possibility, and 100% one I would look into if the car were out of warranty Andy. TBH at the moment I have plenty on with a house move, and job change in the space of a month, so I am letting the garage get on with it for now. I also don't have a part number to hand to know what I am looking for.
.......and breathe. ;)
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A possibility, and 100% one I would look into if the car were out of warranty Andy. TBH at the moment I have plenty on with a house move, and job change in the space of a month, so I am letting the garage get on with it for now. I also don't have a part number to hand to know what I am looking for.
.......and breathe. ;)
Plenty of time for that when your dea.....
Nevermind ;D
Been eyeing up a 1.9cdti signum elite to get me mobile if it all goes titsup
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A possibility, and 100% one I would look into if the car were out of warranty Andy. TBH at the moment I have plenty on with a house move, and job change in the space of a month, so I am letting the garage get on with it for now. I also don't have a part number to hand to know what I am looking for.
:y :y
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What have they given you as a loan car?
When my XFR when in for warranty work they gave me a brand new 3.0 D derv XF, supposedly with 300 BHP.
I just don't like derv though, although to be fair it arrived with a full tank which I didn't replenish. :y
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So the car wasn't in the LR network, came from a company called Buford Cars darn sarf.
I haven't pushed for a temporary car as we are a bit overrun ATM. I've got the kit car on the drive (no garage space at the rental), the Zafira, the electric appliance and the OH's 428i. The ev is mine to use for free for another week yet. So, while a rental would be nice, it's the last thing I want just now.
However, I will be having a conversation about the finance payments....
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Not a good experience, probably why it was traded in, there are lots of problems with newish LR vehicles with the owners unable to effect repairs because of parts being unavailable read about it constantly on the RR forums.
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Well, it seems pretty quiet on here so I thought I'd bore you with the next installment.
Burford wanted the car back to do the work and have managed to beg borrow or steal an inlet manifold out of the LR dealer network (I've told them I need a copy of the invoice for the part to prove its provenance). The car was due to goto them on Friday, unfortunately this task was given to the RAC who it seems can't find their ar$e with both hands and a map. Or in this case an enormous green 4x4.
They managed to turn up at Burford, expecting to bring a car up to Shropshire, the exact opposite of what was required of them. They then tried to blame me for this and wanted to charge me for the privilege. ::) I sacked them off more than a decade ago when they left me stranded during a cold snap, then lied to me about what they had done. It's good to see things haven't improved in the last 10yrs. ;D
Car is now due for collection (possibly) on Monday morning so should be back with me by mid next week. :-\
Maybe...
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Well, it seems pretty quiet on here so I thought I'd bore you with the next installment.
Burford wanted the car back to do the work and have managed to beg borrow or steal an inlet manifold out of the LR dealer network (I've told them I need a copy of the invoice for the part to prove its provenance). The car was due to goto them on Friday, unfortunately this task was given to the RAC who it seems can't find their ar$e with both hands and a map. Or in this case an enormous green 4x4.
They managed to turn up at Burford, expecting to bring a car up to Shropshire, the exact opposite of what was required of them. They then tried to blame me for this and wanted to charge me for the privilege. ::) I sacked them off more than a decade ago when they left me stranded during a cold snap, then lied to me about what they had done. It's good to see things haven't improved in the last 10yrs. ;D
Car is now due for collection (possibly) on Monday morning so should be back with me by mid next week. :-\
Maybe...
This episode will then hopefully be over.
As for the Signum comment......it needs an engine that runs on petrol. :y
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I hope so too, and we can get on with actually using the thing. :y
For the moment the 428i is hanging around as my daily, 250bhp is enough for a motorway hack and it returns close to 40mpg on a run. Other than the small petrol tank it's pretty well perfect for the role. In the medium term an EV may rejoin the fleet, once you can get one again, obviously.
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Any further news?
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Unfortunately yes.
I formally rejected the car today. Mostly because it still hadn't moved from the garage in Shrewsbury until about 3pm today. Sometime after I'd called them to tell them I wasn't playing anymore.
In truth I'm sad that it's come to that, but on principle I couldn't let them take the pi$$ any longer. In the end, they didn't offer much resistance, once I'd quoted chapter and verse at them anyway.
I really don't know what to do now tbh, we do need another vehicle pretty sharpish, but I've rather lost enthusiasm for the whole thing ::)
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Get a Landcruiser, you know how the saying goes, if you want to go into the desert take a Landrover, if you want to come back take a Landcruiser ::) :o :o
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Unfortunately yes.
I formally rejected the car today. Mostly because it still hadn't moved from the garage in Shrewsbury until about 3pm today. Sometime after I'd called them to tell them I wasn't playing anymore.
In truth I'm sad that it's come to that, but on principle I couldn't let them take the pi$$ any longer. In the end, they didn't offer much resistance, once I'd quoted chapter and verse at them anyway.
I really don't know what to do now tbh, we do need another vehicle pretty sharpish, but I've rather lost enthusiasm for the whole thing ::)
Forking out a lot of dosh on a new car should be a happy experience. You seem to have been bitten twice in this respect. :-\
I think you have made the right decision. My guess it that you would have endured a never-ending list of faults with this particular car.
Chin up. :y
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Definitely done the right thing, get a good one & they're a superb vehicle get a bad one and it's guaranteed to be one problem after another.
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So today, in hopefully a conclusion to this sorry tale, I put a deposit down on a newer D5 that happened to come into one of our local LR dealers over the weekend. A 68 plate facelift 3.0, Loire Blue, tan interior and just about every possible option :y
It's an ex JLR vehicle (OE registration) and was allegedly a former VIP car - which I could believe, or it could be total tosh, either way, it's rather lovely. Slightly oddly, it's had 'downgraded' 20" wheels, which I actually prefer. It's a newer, lower mileage and a better car than the green one, but then again, it was more expensive.
The car needs its first MOT and hasn't been through their workshop for checking, but was fully serviced at the dealer about 6 weeks ago. I can't wait for it to be ready :)
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Get a Landcruiser, you know how the saying goes, if you want to go into the desert take a Landrover, if you want to come back take a Landcruiser ::) :o :o
The issue is they are not nice to drive, classic issue with a ladder chassis, crap on the road and awful at stopping the transfer of NVH :y
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So today, in hopefully a conclusion to this sorry tale, I put a deposit down on a newer D5 that happened to come into one of our local LR dealers over the weekend. A 68 plate facelift 3.0, Loire Blue, tan interior and just about every possible option :y
It's an ex JLR vehicle (OE registration) and was allegedly a former VIP car - which I could believe, or it could be total tosh, either way, it's rather lovely. Slightly oddly, it's had 'downgraded' 20" wheels, which I actually prefer. It's a newer, lower mileage and a better car than the green one, but then again, it was more expensive.
The car needs its first MOT and hasn't been through their workshop for checking, but was fully serviced at the dealer about 6 weeks ago. I can't wait for it to be ready :)
OE is rarely JLR management, OV is the usual. OE being Oxford and and OV being more specific to Upper Heyford.
Feel free to ping me the Reg or VIN and I can have a little look on the system
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Yeah, OE tends to be round these parts. Heyford makes sense, as all the plod are OE and prepped there.
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Get a Landcruiser, you know how the saying goes, if you want to go into the desert take a Landrover, if you want to come back take a Landcruiser ::) :o :o
The issue is they are not nice to drive, classic issue with a ladder chassis, crap on the road and awful at stopping the transfer of NVH :y
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Very true,but pretty reliable
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I've had one and it was okay had its fair share of problems antiquated ride & not very comfortable on a long trip, pxd it for a Nissan Patrol which wasn't any better, as for the Range Rover it is simply superb
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So today, in hopefully a conclusion to this sorry tale, I put a deposit down on a newer D5 that happened to come into one of our local LR dealers over the weekend. A 68 plate facelift 3.0, Loire Blue, tan interior and just about every possible option :y
It's an ex JLR vehicle (OE registration) and was allegedly a former VIP car - which I could believe, or it could be total tosh, either way, it's rather lovely. Slightly oddly, it's had 'downgraded' 20" wheels, which I actually prefer. It's a newer, lower mileage and a better car than the green one, but then again, it was more expensive.
The car needs its first MOT and hasn't been through their workshop for checking, but was fully serviced at the dealer about 6 weeks ago. I can't wait for it to be ready :)
OE is rarely JLR management, OV is the usual. OE being Oxford and and OV being more specific to Upper Heyford.
Feel free to ping me the Reg or VIN and I can have a little look on the system
Pretty sure my last Jag was an ex JLR management car.
OY15 ASX. :y
Second best car I have owned. ::)
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So today, in hopefully a conclusion to this sorry tale, I put a deposit down on a newer D5 that happened to come into one of our local LR dealers over the weekend. A 68 plate facelift 3.0, Loire Blue, tan interior and just about every possible option :y
It's an ex JLR vehicle (OE registration) and was allegedly a former VIP car - which I could believe, or it could be total tosh, either way, it's rather lovely. Slightly oddly, it's had 'downgraded' 20" wheels, which I actually prefer. It's a newer, lower mileage and a better car than the green one, but then again, it was more expensive.
The car needs its first MOT and hasn't been through their workshop for checking, but was fully serviced at the dealer about 6 weeks ago. I can't wait for it to be ready :)
OE is rarely JLR management, OV is the usual. OE being Oxford and and OV being more specific to Upper Heyford.
Feel free to ping me the Reg or VIN and I can have a little look on the system
Pretty sure my last Jag was an ex JLR management car.
OY15 ASX. :y
Second best car I have owned. ::)
OY is the other common ex management plate. :y
Thats changed now though, as the supply has moved to Bruntingthorpe so they are now a bit more random, although KP is pretty common
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Get a Landcruiser, you know how the saying goes, if you want to go into the desert take a Landrover, if you want to come back take a Landcruiser ::) :o :o
I had considered these, but they really didn't feel 'special' enough to justify the cost they seem to command. I didn't drive it though, so can't comment on that side of things. Also the new(er) ones are absolutely fugly, I mean the D5 isn't handsome but but the LC is in a different league! :o
Feel free to ping me the Reg or VIN and I can have a little look on the system
Thanks Mark, very kind of you! I will drop you a note :)
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So today, in hopefully a conclusion to this sorry tale, I put a deposit down on a newer D5 that happened to come into one of our local LR dealers over the weekend. A 68 plate facelift 3.0, Loire Blue, tan interior and just about every possible option :y
It's an ex JLR vehicle (OE registration) and was allegedly a former VIP car - which I could believe, or it could be total tosh, either way, it's rather lovely. Slightly oddly, it's had 'downgraded' 20" wheels, which I actually prefer. It's a newer, lower mileage and a better car than the green one, but then again, it was more expensive.
The car needs its first MOT and hasn't been through their workshop for checking, but was fully serviced at the dealer about 6 weeks ago. I can't wait for it to be ready :)
This sounds more like it. :y
I think 3 litre power and torque is better suited to pushing a weighty lad like a RR/LR along, than 2 litres.
Loire blue looks classy. :y
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Yes, while I'm sure the 2 litre lump is very capable (about 240 bhp?), a 3 litre in a Disco just seems right somehow. :y
Much difference in tax & fuel economy Jim? ???
Mind you as the old saying goes... If you have to ask.... ::) :D
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So today, in hopefully a conclusion to this sorry tale, I put a deposit down on a newer D5 that happened to come into one of our local LR dealers over the weekend. A 68 plate facelift 3.0, Loire Blue, tan interior and just about every possible option :y
It's an ex JLR vehicle (OE registration) and was allegedly a former VIP car - which I could believe, or it could be total tosh, either way, it's rather lovely. Slightly oddly, it's had 'downgraded' 20" wheels, which I actually prefer. It's a newer, lower mileage and a better car than the green one, but then again, it was more expensive.
The car needs its first MOT and hasn't been through their workshop for checking, but was fully serviced at the dealer about 6 weeks ago. I can't wait for it to be ready :)
This sounds more like it. :y
I think 3 litre power and torque is better suited to pushing a weighty lad like a RR/LR along, than 2 litres.
Loire blue looks classy. :y
My nephew has a 2.0 D5 and it does very well on the road when it all works
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Yes, while I'm sure the 2 litre lump is very capable (about 240 bhp?), a 3 litre in a Disco just seems right somehow. :y
Much difference in tax & fuel economy Jim? ???
Mind you as the old saying goes... If you have to ask.... ::) :D
The fuel economy I can't comment on yet, but I suspect the type of miles I'm doing (95% motorway) the difference will be negligible, if I had to guess I'd say it will be in the stop-start stuff where the 3.0 is significantly more thirsty. I will investigate and report back ;D.
Tax is an uptick, £300 odd for the 2.0, £500 odd for the 3.0, which is a pita, but, as you say, if I were down to £20pcm making the difference, I really shouldn't have bought the car.
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Yes, while I'm sure the 2 litre lump is very capable (about 240 bhp?), a 3 litre in a Disco just seems right somehow. :y
Much difference in tax & fuel economy Jim? ???
Mind you as the old saying goes... If you have to ask.... ::) :D
The fuel economy I can't comment on yet, but I suspect the type of miles I'm doing (95% motorway) the difference will be negligible, if I had to guess I'd say it will be in the stop-start stuff where the 3.0 is significantly more thirsty. I will investigate and report back ;D.
Tax is an uptick, £300 odd for the 2.0, £500 odd for the 3.0, which is a pita, but, as you say, if I were down to £20pcm making the difference, I really shouldn't have bought the car.
The thing that has screwed me up has been budgeting for £115-120 a tank rather than £160+.
Although, diseasal is now available down here for £1.85 a litre, and if my first roster is anything to go by, my monthly commute will drop from 20 days a month to about 10. Which helps.
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https://youtu.be/S1FCQoZ4tTM (https://youtu.be/S1FCQoZ4tTM)
Does this float your boat, Jimmy?
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In general, yes, very much so. In that spec, fu£k no. ;D. I definitely prefer my cars in a proper colour, particularly in LR products where I associate black and white cars with the more nefarious end of society. Plus I think black wheels look cack I. 99% of their applications.
If a 7 seat L405 existed, I would have had one of those. But, having a more-than-occasional need to carry 6-7 people, I would have had to hang onto a third car, making the range rover impractical due to drive space and cost reasons. Going down to two daily cars featured heavily in the man-maths of the disco.
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In general, yes, very much so. In that spec, fu£k no. ;D. I definitely prefer my cars in a proper colour, particularly in LR products where I associate black and white cars with the more nefarious end of society. Plus I think black wheels look cack I. 99% of their applications.
If a 7 seat L405 existed, I would have had one of those. But, having a more-than-occasional need to carry 6-7 people, I would have had to hang onto a third car, making the range rover impractical due to drive space and cost reasons. Going down to two daily cars featured heavily in the man-maths of the disco.
Yes....there is that element of society who are attracted.....and footballists.....and Katie Price in pink. >:D
I think she rolled one recently whilst 3 times over the drink drive limit. :D
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In general, yes, very much so. In that spec, fu£k no. ;D. I definitely prefer my cars in a proper colour, particularly in LR products where I associate black and white cars with the more nefarious end of society. Plus I think black wheels look cack I. 99% of their applications.
If a 7 seat L405 existed, I would have had one of those. But, having a more-than-occasional need to carry 6-7 people, I would have had to hang onto a third car, making the range rover impractical due to drive space and cost reasons. Going down to two daily cars featured heavily in the man-maths of the disco.
Yes....there is that element of society who are attracted.....and footballists.....and Katie Price in pink. >:D
I think she rolled one recently whilst 3 times over the drink drive limit. :D
Lucky Katie has a fine pair of airbags eh? :)
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In general, yes, very much so. In that spec, fu£k no. ;D. I definitely prefer my cars in a proper colour, particularly in LR products where I associate black and white cars with the more nefarious end of society. Plus I think black wheels look cack I. 99% of their applications.
If a 7 seat L405 existed, I would have had one of those. But, having a more-than-occasional need to carry 6-7 people, I would have had to hang onto a third car, making the range rover impractical due to drive space and cost reasons. Going down to two daily cars featured heavily in the man-maths of the disco.
Yes....there is that element of society who are attracted.....and footballists.....and Katie Price in pink. >:D
I think she rolled one recently whilst 3 times over the drink drive limit. :D
Lucky Katie has a fine pair of airbags eh? :)
Maybe, but very little brain. :)
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In general, yes, very much so. In that spec, fu£k no. ;D. I definitely prefer my cars in a proper colour, particularly in LR products where I associate black and white cars with the more nefarious end of society. Plus I think black wheels look cack I. 99% of their applications.
If a 7 seat L405 existed, I would have had one of those. But, having a more-than-occasional need to carry 6-7 people, I would have had to hang onto a third car, making the range rover impractical due to drive space and cost reasons. Going down to two daily cars featured heavily in the man-maths of the disco.
Yes....there is that element of society who are attracted.....and footballists.....and Katie Price in pink. >:D
I think she rolled one recently whilst 3 times over the drink drive limit. :D
Lucky Katie has a fine pair of airbags eh? :)
Maybe, but very little brain. :)
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And a well hammered saggy minge, why any man would want to go there God alone knows.
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Like a paper hangers bucket. ;D
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Like a paper hangers bucket. ;D
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Indeed & probably a lot sloppier , yuk..😜
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She might have had it tidied up. A designer vagina? ;D
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Not owned a Land Rover or Range Rover.
My guess is that if you get a good one it is very good, and if you get a bad one it is vey bad.
Both of my Jaguar XFR's were reliable despite the reliability ratings.......although we briefly owned an X-Type 3.0 SE auto that was one problem after another. Although that was basically a Mondeo in a party frock. :-\
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I wouldn't feed her to the dog.
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I wouldn't feed her to the dog.
I was contemplating that if I was pissed enough to consider it, would I still be alive?
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I wouldn't feed her to the dog.
I was contemplating that if I was pissed enough to consider it, would I still be alive?
You'd need to tie a rope round your ankle! ;D
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I wouldn't feed her to the dog.
I was contemplating that if I was pissed enough to consider it, would I still be alive?
You'd need to tie a rope round your ankle! ;D
And a torch.
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I wouldn't feed her to the dog.
I was contemplating that if I was pissed enough to consider it, would I still be alive?
You'd need to tie a rope round your ankle! ;D
And a torch.
And a Cave Rescue Team on standby! :D
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Do you have it yet, Jimmy?
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Do you have it yet, Jimmy?
Are you talking about Ms Price or the car? :)
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Not yet, can't remember if I mentioned it, but we are due to complete on a house purchase in the coming days. I don't want to draw down the finance to buy the car until this goes through.
The rejected car is sitting on my credit file and will until santander get their ar$e in gear to remove it. Sticking close to £100k of car finance on my credit file in a 2 week window is probably enough to make any mortgage lender nervous. ;D
Hopefully collect a week today assuming everything carries on as it should with the house.
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Not yet, can't remember if I mentioned it, but we are due to complete on a house purchase in the coming days. I don't want to draw down the finance to buy the car until this goes through.
The rejected car is sitting on my credit file and will until santander get their ar$e in gear to remove it. Sticking close to £100k of car finance on my credit file in a 2 week window is probably enough to make any mortgage lender nervous. ;D
Hopefully collect a week today assuming everything carries on as it should with the house.
:o :o :o :o :o
Do you have access to the magic money tree? :o :o :o
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Nope, definitely not! ;D
But the way the finance seems to work is that they stick all the accrued interest on your credit file as the amount borrowed. So £35k finance for the green car showed up as close to £42k balance :o.
The blue one is rather more than the green one was, so I'm guessing the balance will be rather more ;D :o
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Nope, definitely not! ;D
But the way the finance seems to work is that they stick all the accrued interest on your credit file as the amount borrowed. So £35k finance for the green car showed up as close to £42k balance :o.
The blue one is rather more than the green one was, so I'm guessing the balance will be rather more ;D :o
It's only money Jimmy......and we are all 'a long time dead' :y
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This is something I'm trying to embrace, with mixed success it has to be said.
But also as a fundamentally lazy little so n so, I also don't want to be working past about 55-60. Talk about having your cake and eating it ;D