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[mka306]

When I purchased my omega elite I was told it did not have the cd required for the Sat Nav, is this something required to make it work or will it be fine without it? If I do require one can you still get hold of one for the omega?

Any advice is appreciated

[powerslinky]

Presume it will have the NCDC 2013 head unit in it.  Sat nav won't work without a disc.  Sat nav disc goes in the single horizontal slot in the front of the unit.  music CD's go in the 4 CD cartridge behind the bottom flap.

To test if sat nav CD works  . .  just put in a music CD  & it should play if all OK

Sat nav discs are available from E bay etc . but get a genuine one not a cheap copy.

Same applies to music CD's  don't ever  use computer copied discs , genuine compact disc only . Or lasers will burn out very quickly.

 See Dave DND's article on "Omega CD players & copied discs" at the top of this  section 

hope this helps

[mka306]

Presume it will have the NCDC 2013 head unit in it.  Sat nav won't work without a disc.  Sat nav disc goes in the single horizontal slot in the front of the unit.  music CD's go in the 4 CD cartridge behind the bottom flap.

To test if sat nav CD works  . .  just put in a music CD  & it should play if all OK

Sat nav discs are available from E bay etc . but get a genuine one not a cheap copy.

Same applies to music CD's  don't ever  use computer copied discs , genuine compact disc only . Or lasers will burn out very quickly.

 See Dave DND's article on "Omega CD players & copied discs" at the top of this  section 

hope this helps

Thanks Big Al that is really very helpful, I will test with a cd when she arrives and hopefully I will find a genuine nav disc on the bay, I expect they won't be cheap

[powerslinky]

Presume it will have the NCDC 2013 head unit in it.  Sat nav won't work without a disc.  Sat nav disc goes in the single horizontal slot in the front of the unit.  music CD's go in the 4 CD cartridge behind the bottom flap.

To test if sat nav CD works  . .  just put in a music CD  & it should play if all OK

Sat nav discs are available from E bay etc . but get a genuine one not a cheap copy.

Same applies to music CD's  don't ever  use computer copied discs , genuine compact disc only . Or lasers will burn out very quickly.

 See Dave DND's article on "Omega CD players & copied discs" at the top of this  section 

hope this helps

Thanks Big Al that is really very helpful, I will test with a cd when she arrives and hopefully I will find a genuine nav disc on the bay, I expect they won't be cheap :-\

Around £50 as I recall . . . . but don't buy one until you have tested the laser with a music CD

Another point  . . . try & make sure you get the "car pass" with the manuals & paperwork . Car pass is a small credit card sized document with the cars key & ID codes . Important you try & get this , it's often in the black handbook folder . otherwise up to £50 to get another from VX 

[mka306]

Thanks again Big Al i'll do that for sure, great info and very helpful

[zirk]

When you want to play a music CD in the Sat Nav drive (upper one) you will need to select which drive using the CDC button lower left.

[mka306]

Thanks for the heads up zirk, learning new things about the omega and I haven't laid hands on her yet, lol.

[vauxsull]

Is this for all sat navs? I'm picking up a W ref Elite this weekend with sat nav but the disc is out of date .. Don't know what unit is fitted to it though. Can I still get an updated disc for this too?

[mka306]

Is this for all sat navs? I'm picking up a W ref Elite this weekend with sat nav but the disc is out of date .. Don't know what unit is fitted to it though. Can I still get an updated disc for this too?

If there were any updates from Vauxhall then yes you can buy an update disc, I don't know how up to date it would be for a system that is no longer used but I believe the disc was used in more than one unit, for example I think you can use the same disc with the cdc 40 used in the Vectra.

[vauxsull]

I see.. Interesting to know

[TheBoy]

When you want to play a music CD in the Sat Nav drive (upper one) you will need to select which drive using the CDC button lower left.

Not quite - you need to press the "CD" button in top right of the circular series of buttons in the middle .  CDC selects the bottom 4 disks

[TheBoy]

Is this for all sat navs? I'm picking up a W ref Elite this weekend with sat nav but the disc is out of date .. Don't know what unit is fitted to it though. Can I still get an updated disc for this too?

W = 2000, thus on changeover period.

If MFL, it'll be CARiN, I think latest map disk was 2008, but the system is slow with this map disk in.  System software update disk is a separate disk.

If FL, it'll be NCDC201x series, latest map disk is 2010/2011.  Not matter what the map producer (Navteq) says, you do **NOT** need the "Update Disk" for updating system software, as its on the Map disk.  The system software was last updated in 2005 IIRC, and doesn't do postcodes (for those that are used to more modern (but shite) portable satnav units).

[mka306]

Is this for all sat navs? I'm picking up a W ref Elite this weekend with sat nav but the disc is out of date .. Don't know what unit is fitted to it though. Can I still get an updated disc for this too?

W = 2000, thus on changeover period.

If MFL, it'll be CARiN, I think latest map disk was 2008, but the system is slow with this map disk in.  System software update disk is a separate disk.

If FL, it'll be NCDC201x series, latest map disk is 2010/2011.  Not matter what the map producer (Navteq) says, you do **NOT** need the "Update Disk" for updating system software, as its on the Map disk.  The system software was last updated in 2005 IIRC, and doesn't do postcodes (for those that are used to more modern (but shite) portable satnav units).

I assume the sat nav units are pretty good in the omega's then?

[TheBoy]

I assume the sat nav units are pretty good in the omega's then?

Absolutely featureless. All it can do is get you from where you are now to where you want to go. The biggest gripes from most people on here are the gimmicks like no postcodes and no speed cameras.

*BUT* despite being a 15yr old system, it is still a million times better that the most modern, poxy portable units that every idiot sticks in their line of sight. It has the advantage of speed signals from the axles and gyros to allow it to remain reasonably accurate when the portable units are in pure guess mode. (The older CARiN unit, you could actually get away with using for a few days with the GPS aerial unplugged!)

My last TomTom unit is somewhere at the end of the Aston Expressway, as I expect a single function device to do exactly what it is supposed to do. It didn't, so I ensured it never pissed me off again.  I never bothered to replace it.  I'd rather have an old proper, built in one than a poxy portable new one.

[TheBoy]

If your car is equipped with a GID, you only get pictorial images of upcoming junctions. If you have a CID, you can have pictorial or map images, plus pop-up close ups for complex junctions

[mka306]

If your car is equipped with a GID, you only get pictorial images of upcoming junctions. If you have a CID, you can have pictorial or map images, plus pop-up close ups for complex junctions

How will I tell the difference, I've not received the car yet so I can't check but it would be interesting to know which I have?

[vauxsull]

Mine is / will be a 2000 on a W plate f/l.

[Broomies Mate]

If your car is equipped with a GID, you only get pictorial images of upcoming junctions. If you have a CID, you can have pictorial or map images, plus pop-up close ups for complex junctions

How will I tell the difference, I've not received the car yet so I can't check but it would be interesting to know which I have?

GID is Monochrome
CID is Colour
 

[mka306]

okay great stuff, thanks again for the help

[tunnie]

They problem with Sat Nav in Omega, is it needs the CD. As the lasers get tired with age, it struggles to read the disc.

In the morning with CD being cold, it will often spit it out, due to it being unreadable.

While it is accurate, I found it can spit the CD out mid route too.

Lack of full postcode can cause problems too, I've struggled to find some locations.

[TheBoy]

They problem with Sat Nav in Omega, is it needs the CD. As the lasers get tired with age, it struggles to read the disc.

In the morning with CD being cold, it will often spit it out, due to it being unreadable.

While it is accurate, I found it can spit the CD out mid route too.

Lack of full postcode can cause problems too, I've struggled to find some locations.

So change the laser, Mr Gadgethands

[tunnie]

Love too, but I don't I'd make it worse. Probably snap half the bits off 

[VXL V6]

In the morning with CD being cold, it will often spit it out, due to it being unreadable.

I found it can spit the CD out mid route too.

Fixed a couple that have done that by cleaning the lense properly, point being, if the unit can read the Nav disc say 80% of the time then to my mind it hasn't failed (You find a lot of these units have the original 2002 Nav disc in them, not a copy). If the unit can't read the disc at all under any circumstances then its time to replace it!

[TheBoy]

How are you cleaning it?

[tunnie]

+ on cleaning it, the NCDC in the 3.2 does appear to be unmolested. All original and working fairly well, so a little clean up would do well.

Be nice to use it on an up-coming blast to Darlington 

[VXL V6]

How are you cleaning it?

Getting in there by removing the Nav drive from the HU on the bench and cleaning the lens methodically with some cotton buds and pre-boiled water. If you look at the lens closely on a used unit you will see it has a film of dirt on it rather than just dust - much like the inside of a windscreen gets after a while.

[TheBoy]

How are you cleaning it?

Getting in there by removing the Nav drive from the HU on the bench and cleaning the lens methodically with some cotton buds and pre-boiled water. If you look at the lens closely on a used unit you will see it has a film of dirt on it rather than just dust - much like the inside of a windscreen gets after a while.

Just boiling water, no other potions?

[VXL V6]

Boiled - let it go cold! - Boiled it just to remove any impurities in the water that would stain.

No potions as I didn't know the effect on the plastic lense.

[Broomies Mate]

Or just stop being completely ghey and use an iPhone/Samsung/Nokia and have a far better SatNav (including accelerometers, GPS, yadda yadda) full Postode Input, unlimited updates including POI's, completely customizable and another belter......... you can speak to people on it! 

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Boiled - let it go cold! - Boiled it just to remove any impurities in the water that would stain.

No potions as I didn't know the effect on the plastic lense.

Hmmm interesting might try this... Just a thought but what about deionized water? 

[TheBoy]

Or just stop being completely ghey and use an iPhone/Samsung/Nokia and have a far better SatNav (including accelerometers, GPS, yadda yadda) full Postode Input, unlimited updates including POI's, completely customizable and another belter......... you can speak to people on it! 

Because I like my iPhone, and would miss it if it was chucked out of the window due to some crappy application trying to do more than the hardware can achieve

[Broomies Mate]

Or just stop being completely ghey and use an iPhone/Samsung/Nokia and have a far better SatNav (including accelerometers, GPS, yadda yadda) full Postode Input, unlimited updates including POI's, completely customizable and another belter......... you can speak to people on it! 

Because I like my iPhone, and would miss it if it was chucked out of the window due to some crappy application trying to do more than the hardware can achieve

50k miles per annum, and it hasn't bounced down the tarmac yet! 

EDIT:  Unless you are referring to actually talking to people..... then it struggles! 

[VXL V6]

Boiled - let it go cold! - Boiled it just to remove any impurities in the water that would stain.

No potions as I didn't know the effect on the plastic lense.

Hmmm interesting might try this... Just a thought but what about deionized water? 

Yeh that would be fine.

[mka306]

I like the thought of using the original unit, rather than having to use something else. Most places are easy enough to find but a nav will help when trying to find a certain road ect and I'm sure the omega nav can manage that much.

[VXL V6]

I would say the NCDC units are deadly accurate to within a few feet of an address and the external roof antenna greatly assists this, the only real problems are the lack of post code input and the last Navteq map update being 2011.

[Mr.OmegaMan]

Just stripped the donor NCDC 2013 down to see how hard it is to get too, It's easy to get access to clean but does look a little fiddly to actually change the laser if that is the last resort.

[VXL V6]

It's not to bad, just helps to have one to practice on if you've never done one before.

[minifreek]

Im sure the CarIn units use postcodes .....

[TheBoy]

Im sure the CarIn units use postcodes .....

CARiN fitted to MFL 3.0l Elites do not do postcodes (well, can do "5 digit" which essentially selects the town). The CARiN brand is still sold today, so later versions can