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05omegav6

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Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« on: 28 December 2014, 04:07:33 »

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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #1 on: 28 December 2014, 04:10:52 »

Not again !!!!!!!!
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #2 on: 28 December 2014, 04:20:08 »

Last contact was at 32,000ft and 470knts, requesting a deviation from the flightplan... not encouraging  :-\
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #3 on: 28 December 2014, 08:35:58 »

Last contact was at 32,000ft and 470knts, requesting a deviation from the flightplan... not encouraging  :-\
To avoid weather, as opposed to a human factor?
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #4 on: 28 December 2014, 11:36:08 »

Last contact was at 32,000ft and 470knts, requesting a deviation from the flightplan... not encouraging  :-\
To avoid weather, as opposed to a human factor?

Indeed. Pretty much confirms it was nothing sinister. Otherwise, the pilot would have turned off ADS-B and disappeared. Still, it's something the media can use, coupled with zero understanding, to whip this up into a frenzy. >:(

I'm guessing he hit some bad weather and was unsuccessful in avoiding it. :'(
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #5 on: 28 December 2014, 12:01:49 »

The spokesman for the airline said that the request wasn't routine, which implied that it wasn't for weather purposes...

That said, it had only just happened when I first posted. Latest reports do clearly suggest a weather related detour, which is indeed perfectly routine.

This... http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qz8501/ reveals nothing beyond a quick climb :-\
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #6 on: 28 December 2014, 12:07:30 »

The Cb's in that part of the world are serious bruisers, and tower to well above normal cruise levels, however, unless his weather radar was out, he should normally not have had difficulty avoiding them, regardless of whether approval for avoidance was received.  ???
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #7 on: 28 December 2014, 12:14:23 »

The Cb's in that part of the world are serious bruisers, and tower to well above normal cruise levels, however, unless his weather radar was out, he should normally not have had difficulty avoiding them, regardless of whether approval for avoidance was received.  ???

It shouldn't be possible, but could it be a repeat of the Air France crash? That said 32,000 feet is a long way to drop a serviceable aircraft :-\
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #8 on: 28 December 2014, 12:18:13 »

The spokesman for the airline said that the request wasn't routine, which implied that it wasn't for weather purposes...

That said, it had only just happened when I first posted. Latest reports do clearly suggest a weather related detour, which is indeed perfectly routine.

This... http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qz8501/ reveals nothing beyond a quick climb :-\

If you look at the previous flight tracks, quite a few have climbed to FL36 around the time that QZ8501 requested this flight level, so it may have been requested purely for an efficient cruise.

ADS-B tracking in that area also drops out in the mid section of the flight so we may not be seeing anything of the abnormal portion of the flight.
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #9 on: 28 December 2014, 12:21:57 »

Makes sense ;) when the track stops, it had been at 32,000 for a while, so in an established cruise... initial climb seemed pretty quick though... not that that is relevant  :-\
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #10 on: 29 December 2014, 16:05:18 »

Not a good time to be flying, maybe.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30625945
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #11 on: 29 December 2014, 18:09:03 »

Not a good time to be flying, maybe.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30625945

Nicely done, by the look of it. :y

Nicely done by the pilots, that is. The media are spouting cr@p, as usual. ::)
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #12 on: 29 December 2014, 18:17:15 »

I'm amazed that in 2014 they don't know EXACTLY where the plane is.

Should we still be living in 1950 I could understand it.....but in 2014, with GPS, and the technology that goes with it.
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #13 on: 29 December 2014, 18:17:44 »

Not a good time to be flying, maybe.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30625945
Text book landing, stopped quickly too considering a quarter of the brakes were effectively u/s... didn't ground the number 4 engine either by the look of it 8)

Tricky bit will be dragging it to hanger 7 without breaking anything else but it is at least at the right end of the runway for it...
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Re: Another missing Indonesian Aircraft...
« Reply #14 on: 29 December 2014, 18:21:57 »

I'm amazed that in 2014 they don't know EXACTLY where the plane is.

Should we still be living in 1950 I could understand it.....but in 2014, with GPS, and the technology that goes with it.

They will have a very good idea, given that it was under air traffic control at the time, and talking to them up to the minute it disappeared. Once it's underwater, no technology works, so there'll always be a search.
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