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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #45 on: 13 February 2010, 10:39:53 »

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Dont care who wins as long as it isnt the dangerous arrogant German cheat. ;)

I couldn't put it better my self, except you forgot that he has the FIA up his backside too, so he can do no wrong.

I would love to see either Jenson or Lewis take the championship to be honest, but, given McClaren's track record for FIA arguments over the last few years, they only have to fart in the wrong direction and they are accused of wrong doing...

I don't think Schucheater will win this year, but, you can be sure to see his dirty tricks again...
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« Reply #46 on: 13 February 2010, 10:54:22 »

I'll be watching it as I think it might be more interesting this year than previous recent years but I will be watching the WRC more closely :y

Rallying is more exciting and more technical than F1, driving a rally car takes a lot more skill than driving an F1 car as well :y

Rally Sweden this weekend :y
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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #47 on: 13 February 2010, 11:03:21 »

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Prost Senna Mansell years were brilliant

Any of those three in their prime would beat Schumacher if he was not cheating.


I don't think the great cheater would actually have had a chance against them, unfortunately the 80's and early 90's was the cream of the F1 years, with a high quantity of good drivers...   I wouldn't knock any of the racing prior to these years either, in fact the driver quality had to be even better, with the death traps, oops, I mean cars, that they had to race in, complete with fearless bravery and absolute driver-driver respect...  a prime example being David Purley trying to rescue Roger Williamson in 1973....
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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #48 on: 13 February 2010, 11:03:46 »

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I'll be watching it as I think it might be more interesting this year than previous recent years but I will be watching the WRC more closely :y

Rallying is more exciting and more technical than F1, driving a rally car takes a lot more skill than driving an F1 car as well :y

Rally Sweden this weekend :y

Yup, be watching that too, got the American guy made famous from you-tube and he was on top gear too, love the fact after a smash, they limp cars home with some huge damages, to get it going again.

Much better than F1  :)
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« Reply #49 on: 13 February 2010, 11:08:13 »

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I'll be watching it as I think it might be more interesting this year than previous recent years but I will be watching the WRC more closely :y

Rallying is more exciting and more technical than F1, driving a rally car takes a lot more skill than driving an F1 car as well :y

Rally Sweden this weekend :y

Yup, be watching that too, got the American guy made famous from you-tube and he was on top gear too, love the fact after a smash, they limp cars home with some huge damages, to get it going again.

Much better than F1  :)

You have to bring home your dead ;D
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« Reply #50 on: 13 February 2010, 13:00:33 »

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I'll be watching it as I think it might be more interesting this year than previous recent years but I will be watching the WRC more closely :y

Rallying is more exciting and more technical than F1, driving a rally car takes a lot more skill than driving an F1 car as well :y

Rally Sweden this weekend :y

Yup, be watching that too, got the American guy made famous from you-tube and he was on top gear too, love the fact after a smash, they limp cars home with some huge damages, to get it going again.

Much better than F1  :)

You have to bring home your dead ;D


Rally drivers do have awesome driving abilities across all types of surface, and when things go wrong, they do go wrong... lol...  The sad thing with the British Rally is not only have they shortened it, they abolished all the "public" special stages around places like Tatton Park, where you could see them do their thing...  I would love to see a proper race of champions, covering the variety of driving styles...
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« Reply #51 on: 13 February 2010, 14:24:46 »

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I think the most interesting thing will be the lack of re-fuelling... After all, Schumacher won a large proportion of his races on fuel strategy ;) ;)


or by pushing others off the track ???
Or by "crashing" just after he finished his qualifying lap to try to stop anyone beating his time,or blatantly using traction control when it was banned...............the list is endless, which is why imo he could never be spoken of in the same breath as the really great drivers.
I know Senna was no angel but there were depths which he wouldnt sink to, and watching him drive (without driver aids) was like watching a great artist, he had class in abundance, and scumacher had none at all.

lol

Sorry but that post made me laugh.....

Senna is my hero, 12 yrs ago we named our son Ayrton after him, but to say he wouldnt sink to depths like Schumacher is tripe......

He was THE ultimate driver, Senna, but, like Schumacher, sometimes did things that tainted his genius......

Dont you remember what Senna did to Prost in Suzuka.......??

He did nothing more than take Prost directly and intentionally off the circuit.....

 :y
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« Reply #52 on: 13 February 2010, 16:34:26 »

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I think the most interesting thing will be the lack of re-fuelling... After all, Schumacher won a large proportion of his races on fuel strategy ;) ;)


or by pushing others off the track ???
Or by "crashing" just after he finished his qualifying lap to try to stop anyone beating his time,or blatantly using traction control when it was banned...............the list is endless, which is why imo he could never be spoken of in the same breath as the really great drivers.
I know Senna was no angel but there were depths which he wouldnt sink to, and watching him drive (without driver aids) was like watching a great artist, he had class in abundance, and scumacher had none at all.

lol

Sorry but that post made me laugh.....

Senna is my hero, 12 yrs ago we named our son Ayrton after him, but to say he wouldnt sink to depths like Schumacher is tripe......

He was THE ultimate driver, Senna, but, like Schumacher, sometimes did things that tainted his genius......

Dont you remember what Senna did to Prost in Suzuka.......??

He did nothing more than take Prost directly and intentionally off the circuit.....

 :y
Yeah and won the championship at the first corner of the first lap of the last race of the season in doing so! ;)
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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #53 on: 16 February 2010, 12:00:25 »

if we're all honest, whens the last time a championship was won in F1 without cheating in some form??

Don't get me wrong, the technical and mechanical genius involved in F1 is unparalelled but BTTC is much better to watch imo

for example, anyone remember right at the start of 2009 BTTC season when i think it was Jonothan Adam caught the back end of Jason Plato sending him practically sideways, and he remarkably pulled it back?
you don't get to see things like that in F1
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« Reply #54 on: 16 February 2010, 18:06:55 »

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if we're all honest, whens the last time a championship was won in F1 without cheating in some form??

Damon Hill 1996 I think............


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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #55 on: 16 February 2010, 18:49:35 »

Dont remember Button/Brawn cheating last year. :-/
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« Reply #56 on: 16 February 2010, 19:08:27 »

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I think the most interesting thing will be the lack of re-fuelling... After all, Schumacher won a large proportion of his races on fuel strategy ;) ;)


or by pushing others off the track ???
Or by "crashing" just after he finished his qualifying lap to try to stop anyone beating his time,or blatantly using traction control when it was banned...............the list is endless, which is why imo he could never be spoken of in the same breath as the really great drivers.
I know Senna was no angel but there were depths which he wouldnt sink to, and watching him drive (without driver aids) was like watching a great artist, he had class in abundance, and scumacher had none at all.

lol

Sorry but that post made me laugh.....

Senna is my hero, 12 yrs ago we named our son Ayrton after him, but to say he wouldnt sink to depths like Schumacher is tripe......

He was THE ultimate driver, Senna, but, like Schumacher, sometimes did things that tainted his genius......

Dont you remember what Senna did to Prost in Suzuka.......??

He did nothing more than take Prost directly and intentionally off the circuit.....

 :y
As I said in my post Senna was no angel, his latin temperament got the better of him sometimes and he did hate Prosts guts. What he did to Prost at Suzuka in 90 was pure revenge for the fact that Prost did the same thing to him on the same corner in 89 when they were team mates (most people seem to forget about that one).
The difference between Senna and Scumacher imo is that with Scumacher it was a mindset, he didnt believe the rules applied to him, he knew the team would have a backroom meeting with the FIA and he would get a slapped wrist at worst. His first reaction to other drivers was to intimdate them in whatever way he felt like it, no matter how dangerous the manouvre might be.
I can remember him driving Frentzen off the track just because he wanted to, they werent even on the same lap.He would have put his own brother into the pit wall at 180mph if Ralf hadnt lifted off the throttle. And the fact that every time he started on pole he drove straight across the front of the person in 2nd place causing them to lift and potentially cause a multiple pile up in the process should imo have been enough to have him banned without all the other outrageous/ dangerous/ cheating stunts he pulled during his career.
The stats suggest he is the greatest driver ever, but he wouldnt make it into my top 25.
My own personal greatest was Gilles Villeneuve, who never even won a championship.
Interestingly Scumacher tested one of Villeneuves old Ferraris at Fiorano about 10 years ago. He did a couple of warm up laps then pulled into the pits and got out. He said the car was a death trap and he wouldnt attemp to drive it really quickly, because if he had an accident in it he wouldnt stand a chance. That to me says a lot about modern F1 drivers compared to the old ones and also says a lot about what is wrong with F1 today.If people like him knew there was a very high chance of hurting themselves badly, or worse in the event of an accident, they would have to have a more responsible attitude in the car and learn their craft properly. ;)
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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #57 on: 16 February 2010, 20:09:55 »

well to make you all a bit green i was at the test at jerz in spain the other day!! ;D
for what its worth as we all know the teams do hide a lot in testing but!! shuey was very quick through the bends and the last of the late brakers on the straight!! but the times were not to hot,
webber was flinging his car around and looked dane fast,
button was very very smooth and looked damned quick,
alonso in the ferrari was not to hot,
the virgin racing team were only doing short bursts cos of the frint wing prob they have discovered,
the american racing car is rather ugly but quick!!
after that the sun and the beer reduced the rest of the day to a haze of noise and flashes of cars, roaring around the track!!
i reckon the season is going to be good!!! :y

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« Reply #58 on: 17 February 2010, 05:41:46 »

Apparently Scummy was running so light in order to try to get up among the quick boys that he ran out of fuel as he crossed the line on his "going for a time" lap. Lets hope it is a sign of things to come. ;)
Another thought on Scummy while Im back on the subject. He didnt exactly have the highest quality oppostion during his career (he had none from his team mates for a start) Jacques Villenueve was his strongest opponent but he spat his dummy at Williams and took his career up a blind alley and never recovered from it. He then had Hakkinen to contend with for a couple of seasons when the mclaren was quick and Hakkinen was on top form,and dear old Damon was never going to be up to the job without a huge car advantage, but it in no way compares with the fact that Senna, Prost, Mansell and Piquet all had each other to contend with at the same time.Imagine what the results might have been if any one of them had been able to notch up results without the competition provided by the others. ;)
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Re: Jenson or lewis
« Reply #59 on: 17 February 2010, 06:53:35 »

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Dont remember Button/Brawn cheating last year. :-/

The wing was dodgy was it not? Flexible iirc
...until a conveniently well timed rule change...


Also, I take mt BTCC comment back, Brisca F2 is where it's really at hehe  :D
anybody a stocky fan?
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