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Title: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 September 2015, 16:27:59
Some may be aware of a little bit of DIY I have been undertaking for a little while so I thought I would post a few photos.

Progress has been dictated by the weather and how much spare time I have, the project is to remove the ageing (read crap) conservatory on the back of the house and replace it with something a bit more substantial.

So, first job, get rid of the offending problem

Interior stripped

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage1_zps2wlfeakg.jpg)

Ah that's better!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage2_zpscrkwzq4f.jpg)

Next its time to dig the footings, and this was a challenge as it was all by hand through some chuffing hard soil and infill which required a pick for most of it:

Deep:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage3_zpshtxa8scq.jpg)

And Deeper still:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage4_zps1gv8pz8o.jpg)

In fact 1.8m deep......all by hand and wheeled to skips out the front in a barrow.

So footings dug and signed off by building control, next its filling them in again, first with 10 tons of concrete (mixed on site) and layers of foundation blocks (4 off):

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage5_zps3mn2qx0g.jpg)

A visit from TB helped with this task (Thanks!) which is back breaking working in a trench!

Before adding four course of brick to the outside and a course of brick and blocks inside to get to floor and DPC level:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage6_zpskybdzxah.jpg)

You can also see in the photo that I found the main water feed to the house which had to be moved (temporary feed following the move visible in the photo). In addition, the main house has a block n beam floor so the floor vents needed extending under the new extension slab (hence the drain pipes visible in the photo)

Next we needed drains sorting, both sewage and storm so more holes and pipe....!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage7_zpsd9te8xgw.jpg)

Drains installed and signed off (32m of pipe used, two chambers, one back access gulley, rodding eyes etc etc)

Next job, dig out floor:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage8_zps8g0jrey0.jpg)

Before laying and compacting the MOT Type 1 sub base:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage9_zpsrrbagivm.jpg)

Then down with the DPM and reinforcing :

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage10_zpsujkr28iy.jpg)

Before a concrete pour:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage11_zpspaxccpgu.jpg)

And this is where we are today, walls up and roof structure being built:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage12_zpsnhlkzjmp.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: zirk on 16 September 2015, 16:32:22
Looking good there Mark, and looks like bloody hard work. :y

Take it you got planning permission.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Terbs on 16 September 2015, 16:37:52
Yes Mark...coming on well :y
Mind you, swmbo would have been quite happy with the one you have demolished ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 16 September 2015, 16:48:19
I have done this type of work, Mark, and can only congratulate you on the amount of hard work you have put in. At the planning stage, it is easy to visualise what needs doing and the order in which it needs doing. But when it's time to get down and dirty, a lot (most) people get fed up and the old chestnuts "near enough" and "that'll do" start to creep in. You have the patience of a saint, lad, Well done.  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 September 2015, 16:50:18
Looking good there Mark, and looks like bloody hard work. :y

Take it you got planning permission.  ;) ;D

Dam, forgot that one  :y

The planning is a bargain at £150, its the building control that hurts!  :-[ ??? ;D :D :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 September 2015, 16:52:19
I have done this type of work, Mark, and can only congratulate you on the amount of hard work you have put in. At the planning stage, it is easy to visualise what needs doing and the order in which it needs doing. But when it's time to get down and dirty, a lot (most) people get fed up and the old chestnuts "near enough" and "that'll do" start to creep in. You have the patience of a saint, lad, Well done.  :y

Its taken a while to get to this stage and I got a couple of brick layers to do the walls from DPC upwards to move it on a bit.

The challenge is to get the roof on in October so its dry, then the internal work starts with steels, wall removal, insulation (floor and roof), under floor wet heating and screed etc etc etc
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 16 September 2015, 16:53:53
You remind me of Fred Dibnah, it that good...or bad?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 September 2015, 16:58:43
Wow! You've been busy..

.. and significantly more successful than the guy opposite me, who is having a "professional" job done.  ::)

Architect failed to appreciate that there was a shared sewer run right along the line of one of the walls, so a cantilever had to be constructed, then he failed to appreciate that roof tiles have mass, when specifying the supporting structure. Just part of a catalogue of errors. ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 September 2015, 17:08:29
Yes Mark...coming on well :y
Mind you, swmbo would have been quite happy with the one you have demolished ;D

Funny enough, when we first moved in we were to.

Its when you then have to dump shed loads of energy in to keep it warm, it gets to hot in the summer, it starts to age and the plastic becomes brittle, its loud in the rain. Then throw in the fact that you have to keep an external door between it and the main house for insurance/security and building regs purposes
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 September 2015, 17:13:43
Wow! You've been busy..

.. and significantly more successful than the guy opposite me, who is having a "professional" job done.  ::)

Architect failed to appreciate that there was a shared sewer run right along the line of one of the walls, so a cantilever had to be constructed, then he failed to appreciate that roof tiles have mass, when specifying the supporting structure. Just part of a catalogue of errors. ::)

The latter is easy to work out, find your snow load (look on a building regs map), take your loading for the tiles, take your wind loading, add in felt/membrane and batten loading.

The snow load tells you which table to look at, add the rest up to give the column, check the span and the timber size is give....dead easy.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 16 September 2015, 17:31:42
Wow! You've been busy..

.. and significantly more successful than the guy opposite me, who is having a "professional" job done.  ::)

Architect failed to appreciate that there was a shared sewer run right along the line of one of the walls, so a cantilever had to be constructed, then he failed to appreciate that roof tiles have mass, when specifying the supporting structure. Just part of a catalogue of errors. ::)

The latter is easy to work out, find your snow load (look on a building regs map), take your loading for the tiles, take your wind loading, add in felt/membrane and batten loading.

The snow load tells you which table to look at, add the rest up to give the column, check the span and the timber size is give....dead easy.
Yep.......Fred Dibhah.......deffo....
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 16 September 2015, 18:01:03
That's some big holes and a lot of concrete!  :y                                                   I trust Mrs DTM is alive and well?  :o  :-\  :D  ;D

Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: tunnie on 16 September 2015, 18:23:39
When done can you replace my conservatory?  :D

Looks fantastic  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Bigron on 16 September 2015, 18:45:09
Is it too late to bury someone under that?......

Ron.



Oh, bloody brilliant job, by the way!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 September 2015, 21:30:13
Wow! You've been busy..

.. and significantly more successful than the guy opposite me, who is having a "professional" job done.  ::)

Architect failed to appreciate that there was a shared sewer run right along the line of one of the walls, so a cantilever had to be constructed, then he failed to appreciate that roof tiles have mass, when specifying the supporting structure. Just part of a catalogue of errors. ::)

The latter is easy to work out, find your snow load (look on a building regs map), take your loading for the tiles, take your wind loading, add in felt/membrane and batten loading.

The snow load tells you which table to look at, add the rest up to give the column, check the span and the timber size is give....dead easy.

You'd have thought so, especially for someone who does it every day of the week, but the roofers turned up and wouldn't start work because they spotted the mistake straight away. ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Andy B on 16 September 2015, 23:36:35
......
A visit from TB helped with this task (Thanks!) which is back breaking working in a trench!
......

rumour has it that there is a photo of TB wheeling a barrow somewhere ...................  ::) ::)

Great work Mark ........ my back is aching just looking at all that  ;)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Steve B on 17 September 2015, 00:47:26
Mark... Why did you have to go down a mega 6 feet. Is that got something to do with the height of the build.



Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 September 2015, 08:11:11
Mark... Why did you have to go down a mega 6 feet. Is that got something to do with the height of the build.

Ah well, once you understand the purpose of a footing it becomes clear, it also helps explain why many conservatories and some poorly built extensions 'move'  :y

What your trying to do is get to firm and undisturbed ground at a level below where external influences such as tree roots, water and frost can have an impact.

Frost in the UK is not to bad but the ground saturation can vary quite a bit and hence why the minimum is usually 900mm.

In my case, the house was built with very deep footings as its on a slight gradient (the virgin ground at the front of the house would have been about 600mm deeper than the back) so they dug a deep footing of the same depth all round and once built, back filled the area to bring the ground level up.

Consequently I had to dig through circa 500mm of the finest dark peaty soil (our top soil) and then it was onto about 1m plus of in fill which was clay, brick and any old crap (I was unearthing some hand made bricks from Coalville brick works!). This stuff was hard, very hard and required a mattock to get through it after which was a layer of peat which also had to come out and hence the final depth.

Interestingly, the final depth is 400mm plus less than the depth of the original house footings (as they are deeper than they need to be at the back).

So with a foundation, in summary, you are looking for frim undisturbed ground and with this you can build up to three stories high......but you still need to meet this requirement even for a conservatory (but sadly they rarely do!)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 September 2015, 08:21:56
Is it too late to bury someone under that?......

Ron.



Oh, bloody brilliant job, by the way!

Its been tempting at times!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Whallop_zpssroiyq6j.jpg)

The trouble is, it works both ways.....

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Dead_zpslfgxj7qh.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 September 2015, 08:30:28
......
A visit from TB helped with this task (Thanks!) which is back breaking working in a trench!
......

rumour has it that there is a photo of TB wheeling a barrow somewhere ...................  ::) ::)

Great work Mark ........ my back is aching just looking at all that  ;)

Hmm, will check the archive... :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 September 2015, 09:46:12
500mm of top soil before hitting the builders' waste? :o That's about 495mm more than I got. >:(

Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 17 September 2015, 10:04:02
Top job!! As has been said, it might not look like a lot of effort to some people, but that really is a lot of graft in there. Keep up the good work! I confess I thought you were building an underground garage/showroom/nuclear bunker at one point  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 17 September 2015, 11:14:43
I know what hard work that is Mark so well done.  :y

Having ten brother-in-laws in the building trade (I've worked for a couple of them) I know what hard work groundwork is.  :y It is also the expensive part labour wise and the most disheartening part. Until you get to oversite level it looks like nothing's happening, but then seems to take shape quickly once the brickwork gets underway.

I'm about to take on a similar task but have drains, gas box and a boiler to contend with.  ::)

Well done.  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: henryd on 17 September 2015, 11:41:44
I know what hard work that is Mark so well done.  :y

Having ten brother-in-laws in the building trade (I've worked for a couple of them) I know what hard work groundwork is.  :y It is also the expensive part labour wise and the most disheartening part. Until you get to oversite level it looks like nothing's happening, but then seems to take shape quickly once the brickwork gets underway.

I'm about to take on a similar task but have drains, gas box and a boiler to contend with.  ::)

Well done.  :y

Christ,how may sisters have you got ??? :o :o
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 17 September 2015, 15:34:55
I know what hard work that is Mark so well done.  :y

Having ten brother-in-laws in the building trade (I've worked for a couple of them) I know what hard work groundwork is.  :y It is also the expensive part labour wise and the most disheartening part. Until you get to oversite level it looks like nothing's happening, but then seems to take shape quickly once the brickwork gets underway.

I'm about to take on a similar task but have drains, gas box and a boiler to contend with.  ::)

Well done.  :y

Christ,how may sisters have you got ??? :o :o

 ;D

I only have one sister, the others are my wifes brothers. I don't think her parents had a television.  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 17 September 2015, 16:26:50
I know what hard work that is Mark so well done.  :y

Having ten brother-in-laws in the building trade (I've worked for a couple of them) I know what hard work groundwork is.  :y It is also the expensive part labour wise and the most disheartening part. Until you get to oversite level it looks like nothing's happening, but then seems to take shape quickly once the brickwork gets underway.

I'm about to take on a similar task but have drains, gas box and a boiler to contend with.  ::)

Well done.  :y

Christ,how may sisters have you got ??? :o :o

 ;D

I only have one sister, the others are my wifes brothers. I don't think her parents had a television.  ;D
You don't get many families like that now. My second wife had nine brothers and four sisters. They all had three or four kids, there was a birthday every week.  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 17 September 2015, 18:36:44
rumour has it that there is a photo of TB wheeling a barrow somewhere ...................  ::) ::)
Me doing manual work? I'm an Office Tosser.

Such rumours are damaging to my reputation!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 17 September 2015, 18:37:17
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Dead_zpslfgxj7qh.jpg)
Another OOF Admin sleeping on the job :P
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Andy B on 17 September 2015, 22:36:56
rumour has it that there is a photo of TB wheeling a barrow somewhere ...................  ::) ::)
Me doing manual work? I'm an Office Tosser.

Such rumours are damaging to my reputation!

 ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 17 September 2015, 22:44:43
Good work - I hope its becoming a workshop...

(as an aside, I keep fancying using a conservatory as a workshop. Hmm.)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Rods2 on 17 September 2015, 23:56:45
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Dead_zpslfgxj7qh.jpg)
Another OOF Admin sleeping on the job :P

Has somebody pulled fuse 17. ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 18 September 2015, 07:07:48
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Dead_zpslfgxj7qh.jpg)
Another OOF Admin sleeping on the job :P

Has somebody pulled fuse 17. ::) ;D ;D ;D

yes, a black widow by the looks of it
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 18 September 2015, 08:31:38
So who does that arm (circled) belong to? Is that where you buried the building inspector?  :-\ ;D

(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac142/Alan-Hearn/67124fb5-f920-4774-b728-3362a8f50bac_zpsijl1frvx.jpg) (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/Alan-Hearn/media/67124fb5-f920-4774-b728-3362a8f50bac_zpsijl1frvx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 September 2015, 09:49:29
Ah yes, the hand sticking out the side of the trench...

.....clearly originally from Merseyside as it picked my pocket a few times:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/20140720_201716_zps9tuzoehn.jpg)

Turns out it was a buried dolls arm........
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 18 September 2015, 10:06:41
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 18 September 2015, 11:23:50
Ah yes, the hand sticking out the side of the trench...

.....clearly originally from Merseyside as it picked my pocket a few times:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/20140720_201716_zps9tuzoehn.jpg)

Oi........you  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 September 2015, 08:06:33
A little more progress as the roof structure goes on, the four hardest cuts (the valley rafters, which are doubled up) are complete and fitted.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage13_zpsbbuvdbnw.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2015, 19:04:22
When's the kitchen and soft furnishings arriving?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Shackeng on 23 September 2015, 19:45:27
Nice job Mark. When the steels are in, can you keep the ceiling line smooth coming out into the extension?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 September 2015, 08:16:42
When's the kitchen and soft furnishings arriving?

Ah errr....well......as you know she has already purchased them.....but we can set the date so no great issues
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 September 2015, 08:17:28
Nice job Mark. When the steels are in, can you keep the ceiling line smooth coming out into the extension?

Yes we could however, we took the decison to have a vaulted ceiling due to the two large Velux windows that are going in  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Steve B on 24 September 2015, 09:02:09
So when will it be finished mark... tis looking good  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 September 2015, 09:12:09
So when will it be finished mark... tis looking good  :y

Current estimate is for roof on by end of October, then:

Fit windows and door
Electrician first fit (could do myself but the poxy regs wont let me)
Insulate ceiling
Install steels
Remove wall
Insulate floor
Fit under floor heating
Screed floor
Plasterboard ceiling
Install and board stud wall
Plaster walls in extension
First fix gas and water
Install kitchen
Paint and finish kitchen
Paint and finish man cave

Then its onto refurb of the existing rooms

I would estimate easter next year for sign off.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 24 September 2015, 10:11:51
That is looking really good. We wondered about that hand too. ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 24 September 2015, 18:56:34
I thought you could do the sparks, but it needs to be tested and signed off by a qualified sparky?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: 05omegav6 on 24 September 2015, 19:36:49
I thought you could do the sparks, but it needs to be tested and signed off by a qualified sparky?
Who presumably won't sign off shit unless they've paid some spotty yoof peanuts to do it done it themselves ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Andy B on 24 September 2015, 19:54:08
I thought you could do the sparks, but it needs to be tested and signed off by a qualified sparky?

that's what I thought  :-\
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Shackeng on 24 September 2015, 20:09:32
Nice job Mark. When the steels are in, can you keep the ceiling line smooth coming out into the extension?

Yes we could however, we took the decison to have a vaulted ceiling due to the two large Velux windows that are going in  :y

 :y :y :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 September 2015, 08:37:16
I thought you could do the sparks, but it needs to be tested and signed off by a qualified sparky?
Who presumably won't sign off shit unless they've paid some spotty yoof peanuts to do it done it themselves ::)

Fortunately I have a tame spark :y

Was the same when we fitted our log burner... Found one person who would sign it off... For £800 :o He  just told me to find someone else >:( In the end I just paid a different firm to fit it all as well as supply. Turned out for the better anyway as my grumpy neighbour complained about it ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 28 September 2015, 08:31:59
Some further progress after a few hours of work yesterday. jack rafters cut and fitted in the gable end:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage14_zpsdhkttgza.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: tunnie on 28 September 2015, 10:26:58
Does a vaulted ceiling increase cost? Couple of extensions on identical houses near here, have "normal" celings. Does I feel restrict light, and vaulted would be much better.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 28 September 2015, 13:02:37
Probably very little in it (dependent on size  of roof and design), key thing with a vaulted ceiling is the insulation type used is more expensive than normal rock wool but, you don't need ceiling timbers.

We have two large Velux windows going in and a vaulted ceiling results in much more light coming in plus we have the vaulted section above the bi-folds which will be glass, again ensuring the existing rooms remain light.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 28 September 2015, 13:18:50
For the extension I have in mind chez Guffer I was thinking of a Orangerie-like lantern but this is giving me ideas of areas to reduce cost :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 28 September 2015, 14:42:38
For the extension I have in mind chez Guffer I was thinking of a Orangerie-like lantern but this is giving me ideas of areas to reduce cost :y

The design is very much focused on getting maximum light without compromising on the practical and energy efficient considerations  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 28 September 2015, 15:48:12
For the extension I have in mind chez Guffer I was thinking of a Orangerie-like lantern but this is giving me ideas of areas to reduce cost :y

The design is very much focused on getting maximum light without compromising on the practical and energy efficient considerations  :y

I don't suppose you made any calculations on the energy efficiency with a lantern, per chance ::)

You know, plagerism is the highest form of flattery and all ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 28 September 2015, 16:10:00
I have calcs for the U value which is about 20% better than the current regs require.

Add in the wet under floor heating and increased artificial lighting and its going to 'ok'
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 28 September 2015, 16:29:25
 :y

I will have to keep investigating.  Before I do anything I will have to move a communal sewer drain (5 in, 1 out) which will overly restrict what I can do if it remains where it is.

That alone is probably going to cost about £2k :'(
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: tunnie on 28 September 2015, 16:38:55
You folks are lucky, you can do a bulk of the work yourselves.

I'd be looking at £25k easy if I was to extend. Would need a company to do it for me. Already have one wall thanks to the garage. (brick only)

Extension would only be ~14ftx10ft

Someone had similar done in the street. Set him back £30k  :o :o

Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 28 September 2015, 16:57:41
Tbh, I was going to project manage it for the most part and do the bits I was comfortable with.  All the key parts such as foundations, brickwork, roofing, etc I was going to get someone else to do.  I have a few mates in the construction business with contacts :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: redelitev6 on 28 September 2015, 17:17:54
 :y Nice work ! that aint going to fall down any time soon
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 28 September 2015, 20:16:40
:y Nice work ! that aint going to fall down any time soon

Well actually it might at the moment as the final wall anchors are not fitted and the box section steel which stops the gable end spreading is not yet made/fitted
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 29 September 2015, 19:46:59
Got some good.news this evening.  Spoke to the water company and they said I didn't need to move the sewer completely just build over it and create another access to the side of the house.

That has saved about 2k  off the proposed  build 8)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: tunnie on 29 September 2015, 20:17:26
Don't tell SWMBO. That's £2k on new cinema setup?  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 29 September 2015, 20:23:18
Don't tell SWMBO. That's £2k on new cinema setup?  ;D

Or a new bike ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 29 September 2015, 21:12:58
Don't tell SWMBO. That's £2k on new cinema setup?  ;D

Or a new bike ::)
I hope it has an engine!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 September 2015, 00:02:30

I hope it has an engine!

2 of them, no doubt. Regularly shaved and clad with Lycra. ::)

Ohhh, actually... Pass the mind bleach..  ;)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 30 September 2015, 06:30:25

I hope it has an engine!

2 of them, no doubt. Regularly shaved and clad with Lycra. ::)

Ohhh, actually... Pass the mind bleach..  ;)

I don't shave my legs..............






....due to my urticaria I have to wax :-*
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 30 September 2015, 07:22:52
Got some good.news this evening.  Spoke to the water company and they said I didn't need to move the sewer completely just build over it and create another access to the side of the house.

That has saved about 2k  off the proposed  build 8)

You should have asked, I could have told you that  :y

Having said that, moving such things is not to challenging as long as there is some fall to play with.

But for build over its an access at either end and then your foundations are built under, over and around (requires a minimum clearance around the pipe the gap is then filled with a suitable insulating material and lintels above). Exactly the same as what you have to do with any sewer that breaches the foundation  :y

All very well defined in the building regulations
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 October 2015, 09:08:19
Two solid days finishing off the roof timbers, all now secured, trimmed, straightened (with noggins top and bottom) and the wall plate anchored.

Scaffolding up today.

Two steel box section to fab during the week for above the bi-fold.

Bricklayers coming on Saturday morning to fill the gables in and then its on with the roof.  :y

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage15_zpsaijzulyp.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Auto Addict on 05 October 2015, 11:24:22
Looking good Mark :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: EMD on 05 October 2015, 18:40:53
Looking good . Will be a nice place to rest your aching back after its all done  :)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 October 2015, 08:03:49
Another busy weekend, in fact a few

So the brick layers have completed the gable ends and I fabricated a steel beam for above the Bi-folds opening to stop roof spread of the gable end.

Then this weekend it was on with the facia, felt and laths:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage17_zps7cxujimx.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage16_zpssirdwsyy.jpg)

Tiles arrive on Wednesday but, this weekends work means we are now water tight.  :y

Velux fitting next job once my roofer friend has marked out his tile runs.

Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 19 October 2015, 09:25:01
Saw the pics on facebook, looking good there Mark :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 November 2015, 13:21:20
Further positive moves towards sealing the extension over the last week.

Both Velux windows have been fitted (bought from Holland as its much cheaper there than here!) including insulation collar, felt collar and flashing kit (those window sections are chuffing heavy !)

Tile fitting has started with one side gable complete and pointed, three valley cuts made, two valley cuts pointed, rear gable tiled and pointed and one velux cut in.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage18_zpsfbqftsox.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Steve B on 02 November 2015, 13:25:30
That is looking very good.  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 02 November 2015, 13:46:53
Aye, certainly is :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 02 November 2015, 18:15:58
You're falling behind schedule ;)

Not as badly as bro, though, meant to be open last month ready for xmas trade, now looking like May :o
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 November 2015, 08:57:28
Yes a bit behind, mainly due to the delays with the scaffold provider  :y

But anyway, more tiling yesterday which is now complete, the final valley and gable are cut and pointed as is the final Velux, most of the flashing is in place (about 2m left).

Left to do is the flashing above the ridge (not able to do due to the setting mortar on the valley which we did not want to disturb), dressing of the flashing to the tiles and the ridge itself after which the scaffolding can come down.

Windows to be ordered this week and the spark is due to call in this week to.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage19_zpsbf7xhv4q.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Auto Addict on 09 November 2015, 09:35:10
Looking good Mark :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 November 2015, 08:10:59
Yesterday marked a milestone, completion of the major external tasks with the finishing of the roof.

Lead work was finished (needs pointing, tonight's job!) and ridge installed along with Dentils plus I learnt a few new things like lead dressing techniques, the fact the first ridge needs to be sloped to encourage water to run away from the wall etc.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage20_zpsufoc4blp.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage21_zpsh7aqnrzr.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage22_zpsvdv4typw.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage23_zpsstv8qtx5.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage24_zpshxvmxoan.jpg)

Scaffolding should be coming down this week and then its in with the windows and doors
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 November 2015, 09:44:25
You'll br in by Christmas  :y

Coming along nicely 8)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Matchless on 16 November 2015, 10:39:02
Are you fully trained in the use of a bossing stick now Mark?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 November 2015, 10:40:37
Are you fully trained in the use of a bossing stick now Mark?

I have now received training in the use of a bossing stick and mallet........fully trained may be stretching it slightly  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 16 November 2015, 10:46:26
Excellent work, Mark. Don't be tempted to start rushing to get to the end, it's a common pitfall. I'm especially impressed with the timber work.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 November 2015, 10:54:52
Excellent work, Mark. Don't be tempted to start rushing to get to the end, it's a common pitfall. I'm especially impressed with the timber work.

That was all my own work Stemo and interestingly there was only a 5mm variation in Rafter length over the full width (down to wall plate which had a slight bow in it.  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 16 November 2015, 11:34:34
Excellent work, Mark. Don't be tempted to start rushing to get to the end, it's a common pitfall. I'm especially impressed with the timber work.

That was all my own work Stemo and interestingly there was only a 5mm variation in Rafter length over the full width (down to wall plate which had a slight bow in it.  :y
It's difficult to get the longer lengths without a small bow in them. I've seen some right bananas hidden under roof tiles, and even some forced into true and held there with the battens.  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 December 2015, 08:39:52
I note that I have failed in recent weeks to provide any form of update.

The major item that has happened is the scaffolding has gone so now the final look can be seen (well almost!)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage25_zpsozyzh6jd.jpg)

Work in recent weeks has been far less obvious and far more 'prep' and 'first fix' with 30 back boxes being sunk, network, coax, speaker and Av cables being run and clipped plus lots and lots of tidying and dressing (e.g. heating of DPM to shrink it to the walls).

Windows arrive on the 18th and the Bi-fold first week in January.  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 09 December 2015, 10:34:49
Looking good :y
Run some spare capacity with the cables, you never know what's going to happen in the future. Also, if you get a break behind the plasterwork, it's nice to know you have another one already routed.

Seems like a decade ago you were digging out for the footings.  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 09 December 2015, 10:41:19
Impressive stuff. I like the leadwork :y

I have put your name on the list for 48 square metres of lightweight concreting and tiling to finish off our upstairs. Also need some labourers to bring it in   buckets from outside  ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 09 December 2015, 18:51:48
Looking good :y
Run some spare capacity with the cables, you never know what's going to happen in the future. Also, if you get a break behind the plasterwork, it's nice to know you have another one already routed.

Seems like a decade ago you were digging out for the footings.  ;D
It was December when I lugged some blocks from his drive to the rear :o.  In fact, I seem to remember it was Newent September 2014 that he showed me pics of the footings being dug :o.  I bet Mrs DTM is looking forward to getting it all sorted (and filled with girlie soft furnishings ;D).
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 09 December 2015, 18:52:40
Impressive stuff. I like the leadwork :y

I have put your name on the list for 48 square metres of lightweight concreting and tiling to finish off our upstairs. Also need some labourers to bring it in   buckets from outside  ;D ;D
Maybe we should do an OOF roadtrip to Spain, and a bit of graft, San Miguel and Sangria ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 09 December 2015, 19:44:09
looking good there Mark :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 10 December 2015, 08:27:21
The sad thing is I have to get a spark in despite being CEng MIET and specing and designing electrical systems on a daily basis at work......pure madness.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 10 December 2015, 09:17:43
The sad thing is I have to get a spark in..

..who will probably do everything wrong and/or in a ridiculous way, despite being certified as a competent person.

Like the spark who ran the ring main diagonally down one of my garage walls (drilling through all the steel uprights to do so - prefab concrete). Because I was never going to accidentally drill through that at some point in the future, expecting all cables to run horizontally or vertically.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 December 2015, 10:35:53
The sad thing is I have to get a spark in despite being CEng MIET and specing and designing electrical systems on a daily basis at work......pure madness.
Fortunately I have a tame spark who will happily check and connect for me, leaving me to do the cable runs and bulk of the work :y

Red tape really is a load of 'dangle berries' though.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 10 December 2015, 10:40:59
Impressive stuff. I like the leadwork :y

I have put your name on the list for 48 square metres of lightweight concreting and tiling to finish off our upstairs. Also need some labourers to bring it in   buckets from outside  ;D ;D
Maybe we should do an OOF roadtrip to Spain, and a bit of graft, San Miguel and Sangria ;D

I have often thought of offering an "experience" in return for physical help. Mrs V thinks there would be no volunteers.

OOF roadtrip. Likewise has been a possibility every year. Plenty of space, pool, six berths, space to camp. Not so sure about San Miguel - that is beer for holidaymakers. Proper Spaniards drink Cruzcampo or Estrella. Might have the mother in law living with us full time next year so that would use some of the accommodation. One plus is the rural road outside our house is being revamped today - a big plus as it wasn't car friendly before.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 January 2016, 09:03:31
Blimey, been a while since I posted any progress!

But I have done a lot, did all the first fix wiring myself, sick of chasing so called pros so will work around that at the end.

All insulation between the rafters fitted and 50% of the insulated boarding on the rafter underside done to.

Two windows arrived and fitted and the bi-fold fitted to, awaiting the triangular window the frame for which is due today and the glass on Wednesday.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage26_zpsy4dw9vat.jpg)

Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 18 January 2016, 14:49:50
Nearly there, Mark, looks great. :y

What's next?  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 18 January 2016, 14:56:29
Ah....just thought....Tunnie's got a job for you. Crack on.  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 January 2016, 16:04:01
So jobs to finish this week are the triangular window and boarding out of the ceiling.

Then its off to Singers for 12 days working, when back it will be a case of prepping the feed through the wall for the under floor heating pipe work and cutting the bricks (vertical ready for wall removal and lintel fitting.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 February 2016, 08:28:35
Further progress

Ceiling is fully boarded (62.5mm insulated plasterboard) and triangular window fitted.

So job this weekend was a big one, remove the wall and install two steels.

So after just over a day and a half, having used a series of Acrow props with Strongboy attachments on the outside (through both inner and outer leafs) and planks plus Acrows on the inside plus two additional Acrows to jack the steels into place, all was done!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage27_zpswaqizdge.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage28_zpskypafcxa.jpg)

Although stated as not required by the Structural engineer, I have included pad stones with the steels then packed with good old welsh slate to fill the gap.

Next stage, make good the floor joints, insulate the floor, fit the UFH pipe and get the floor screeded.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Andy H on 22 February 2016, 08:57:31
Marvelling at how clean the back of your kitchen units are following the demolition of the external wall.
I am nearing the end of my own project E. It seems that just about every task I undertook covered the contents of the house in a layer of dust ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 February 2016, 09:54:27
Marvelling at how clean the back of your kitchen units are following the demolition of the external wall.
I am nearing the end of my own project E. It seems that just about every task I undertook covered the contents of the house in a layer of dust ;D

I managed to keep most of the plasterboard in place for the duration of the work which helped a hell of a lot!

After the above photos, I created a few wooden supports for the dangling electrics so we can continue to keep using the kitchen.

I may well pin some DPM over the opening once the supports are all out to help control the mess a bit.  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 22 February 2016, 16:58:39
....
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage27_zpswaqizdge.jpg)

Looking good Mark.  :y

Did you manage to place the internal steel so that the ceiling joists sit inside the steel to maintain a single level ceiling? If so, was there much/any disruption to the room above when you trimmed the joists?
I'm waiting for the structural engineer to do my calculations but at the moment it looks like I'll need supporting piers with pads. I would have preferred pad stones built in like yours to maintain the room width, or goal post steels to minimise the loss of a straight wall for kitchen design but will have to see what he comes up with.  :)


Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 22 February 2016, 17:11:28
Brilliant project. Come a long way since we saw that corpse and the buried hand! :o

Still on budget?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Andy B on 22 February 2016, 17:19:38
Brilliant project. Come a long way since we saw that corpse and the buried hand! :o

Still on budget?

This one .....  ;D

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Dead_zpslfgxj7qh.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 22 February 2016, 17:57:27
Thats it still makes us laugh now. Many a time I have felt like having an extended nap after renovations work. Still not sure about the hand. Need Silent Witness crew on that one.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 February 2016, 11:21:18
Looking good Mark.  :y

Did you manage to place the internal steel so that the ceiling joists sit inside the steel to maintain a single level ceiling? If so, was there much/any disruption to the room above when you trimmed the joists?
I'm waiting for the structural engineer to do my calculations but at the moment it looks like I'll need supporting piers with pads. I would have preferred pad stones built in like yours to maintain the room width, or goal post steels to minimise the loss of a straight wall for kitchen design but will have to see what he comes up with.  :)

In my case the ceiling/floor joists sit on top of the steel, this I did because of two reasons:


Now being somebody who always over analyses things, I did consider the joist into the lintel approach, my plan of works was:

1) Remove brick work to sides, enough to allow installation of padstones without impacting structure
2) Remove 500mm of ceiling plasterboard to expose joist ends
3) Support internal floor joists with props/boards and external walls with props/strongboys
4) Remove external wall to height required for external lintel
5) Remove block work between joists on inner skin and one row below
6) Shorten joists and trim top and bottom as required to allow fit inside web of steel
7) Fit half height noggins between joists
8) Install inner lintel, mortar top side to mate with inner leaf and jack into position
9) Point mortar bed and pack ends between padstones with slate and 3:1 mortar mix.
10) Pack as/if required between base of ceiling joists and lintel lower horizontal section
11) Install external lintel. 

The above is straight from the notes I made at the time so would need some refinement but is the basis of it, another option I considered was cutting the joists shorter and using joist hangers over the top of the steel to avoid all the faff of trimming.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 February 2016, 11:24:53
Brilliant project. Come a long way since we saw that corpse and the buried hand! :o

Still on budget?

£2k over due to scope creep.......she creeped and insisted that I upgrade the whole downstairs floor to UFH!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Andy H on 23 February 2016, 11:54:51
Brilliant project. Come a long way since we saw that corpse and the buried hand! :o

Still on budget?

£2k over due to scope creep.......she creeped and insisted that I upgrade the whole downstairs floor to UFH!
I am extremely glad that I put wet underfloor heating in the extension (and 2/3 of the existing ground floor).

I wasn't so glad during the build when I was digging up the old concrete floors though.......
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 23 February 2016, 14:56:59
.....
The above is straight from the notes I made at the time so would need some refinement but is the basis of it, another option I considered was cutting the joists shorter and using joist hangers over the top of the steel to avoid all the faff of trimming.

Thanks for the feedback.  :y
I can fully understand what you mean regarding the sight line as yours is an extension of the whole house, whereas mine is just a kitchen extension, hence my need for a single level ceiling.  :y

Hmmm, UFH is something I'd not thought about.  :y It won't be so cold on her back when we christen it.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 February 2016, 15:25:14
.....
The above is straight from the notes I made at the time so would need some refinement but is the basis of it, another option I considered was cutting the joists shorter and using joist hangers over the top of the steel to avoid all the faff of trimming.

Thanks for the feedback.  :y
I can fully understand what you mean regarding the sight line as yours is an extension of the whole house, whereas mine is just a kitchen extension, hence my need for a single level ceiling.  :y

Hmmm, UFH is something I'd not thought about.  :y It won't be so cold on her back when we christen it.  ;) ;D

If your going for a screed floor its worth while in my view, plenty of options for supply out there to.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 29 February 2016, 08:21:32
Some further progress all be it a weekend of catching up with smaller jobs and finishing bits off which seems to take a real age to do.

Saturday involved a trip to the hire show to return the Acrows and Strongboys before heading off to Jayplas (highly recommended for plastic in Nottingham!) to pick up some trims and silicon (£12 for 10m of 90mm trim plus some tubes of silicon).

So one broken brick to replace (I got a bit keen with the SDS when fitting the door) followed by the returns on the fascia, the trims around the triangular window and the separator trim between the window and door. All left to dry and then silicone in on Sunday.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage29_zpstk0pibuj.jpg)

I also did a stack of work preparing the DPM around the knock through areas to integrate it with the existing setup in the original house plus, drilling four holes and lining them with overflow pipe to pass the UFH pipes through.

Throw in a bit of pointing and shaped blocks to close the steel ends and another full weekend.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 29 February 2016, 09:55:15
Pictured like that you get to appreciate the sheer scale of the extension. That will make one hell of a difference to your living space.  :y

Make it nice and cosy, as when your children start bringing their girlfriends/boyfriends home, that's where you'll be sitting.  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Kevin Wood on 29 February 2016, 10:03:34
Pictured like that you get to appreciate the sheer scale of the extension. That will make one hell of a difference to your living space.  :y

Make it nice and cosy, as when your children start bringing their girlfriends/boyfriends home, that's where you'll be sitting.  ;D

.. with a shotgun. :D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: YZ250 on 29 February 2016, 10:10:29
Pictured like that you get to appreciate the sheer scale of the extension. That will make one hell of a difference to your living space.  :y

Make it nice and cosy, as when your children start bringing their girlfriends/boyfriends home, that's where you'll be sitting.  ;D

.. with a shotgun. :D

 ;D ;D

Yes, that definitely helps to whittle it down to the genuine contenders.   ;D :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 29 February 2016, 11:24:07
Pictured like that you get to appreciate the sheer scale of the extension. That will make one hell of a difference to your living space.  :y

Make it nice and cosy, as when your children start bringing their girlfriends/boyfriends home, that's where you'll be sitting.  ;D

The right hand 2/3rds (for the left of the Bi-fold across to the right wall) is the Man cave, Tv, sofa , games console, surround setup etc.....I fear it may be harder to get the kids out of there  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 29 February 2016, 11:25:41
Today is the first time I have looked at the before/after side by side:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage1_zps2wlfeakg.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage29_zpstk0pibuj.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 29 February 2016, 12:07:05
That's probably what, an extra 40% downstairs?

Impressive work, Mark, your attention to detail is quite clear!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 29 February 2016, 13:57:55
Looking good  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 29 February 2016, 17:07:28
That's probably what, an extra 40% downstairs?
Mad fool that Mr DTM is, think of all that extra decorating ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TD on 29 February 2016, 17:50:07
Today is the first time I have looked at the before/after side by side:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage1_zps2wlfeakg.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage29_zpstk0pibuj.jpg)

Nothing wrong the first pic imo  ::) ;D

You will need those outside lights moved now as well, as they probably just light up the roof of the extension  :-\ :)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 March 2016, 08:25:55
Further work complete, lots of little internal jobs done and 125mm of floor insulation placed including a 25mm edge up stand.

Then a vapour barrier, under floor heating pipe (Pex-Al-Pex) and foam edger fitted, all ready for the screed.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage30_zpsldvt7s5y.jpg)

Hearting manifold with the first two circuits connected, 3 Bar air pressure applied as an initial test, its now been sat at 4Bar for 48 hours with no pressure loss.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage31_zpsudaipptc.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 21 March 2016, 09:41:09
That is a cracking job, Mark, well done lad :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 21 March 2016, 09:52:56
Excellent.

What is the blue edge upstand for? insulation, a former for the concrete scree?. Does it come on a roll? I presume afterwards the "one inch" above floor level is overlapped by the bevel on the skirting board.  Never seen it before but it looks a good product.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 March 2016, 11:36:18
Its a foam expansion strip, not hugely thick and does indeed come on a roll, has a strip of double sided tape on the back and a clear plastic film attached to the bottom which I have taped to the vapour barrier (vapour barrier also passes up behind this for good measure).

The edge insulation does not compress much hence the blue foam, once the screed is laid to height then everything gets trimmed flush to the floor level

And yes, covered by the 10mm dabs + 12.5mm plasterboard + 3mm skim plus +18mm skirting = 43.5mm where as the insulation total is circa 31-32mm  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: SP_3.2 on 22 March 2016, 12:33:30
Very nice work Mark. That's a lot more room  I remember sitting in the kitchen  with you at the table fixing my old 2013 sat nav and stereo unit from my old blue elite.
...those were the days ..do miss the old girl and can't find one for love or money now. 

Hopefuly meet up with you soon next time around your neck of the woods  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 March 2016, 13:10:19
Hi Steve, good to see your still about   :y

Screed went down today, lovely job, very highly recommended!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage32_zpsoupuaf8k.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Entwood on 23 March 2016, 13:19:41
Looks good ...  did I read your other comment correctly .... 75 days to dry fully ??  How long before you can walk on it to do other jobs ??
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 March 2016, 13:37:06
2 days for traffic.  :y

Its the fully dry that takes 75 days so the time required before you can seal/cover the surface with a floor covering.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: X30XE on 23 March 2016, 13:42:52
2 days for traffic.  :y

Its the fully dry that takes 75 days so the time required before you can seal/cover the surface with a floor covering.

Which no one in the constuction industry ever pays any notice of.  Imagine newbuilds sitting dormant void of floor coverings for over two months  ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Entwood on 23 March 2016, 13:51:35
2 days for traffic.  :y

Its the fully dry that takes 75 days so the time required before you can seal/cover the surface with a floor covering.

Which no one in the constuction industry ever pays any notice of.  Imagine newbuilds sitting dormant void of floor coverings for over two months  ;D ;D

That's what triggered the question .. been watching a new estate going up near us, the houses are, literally, thrown together, and someone appears to be moving into one that was only started 6 weeks ago !! no idea when the floors were laid... walking the dog this morning I saw rolls of carpet going in !
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 March 2016, 14:08:53
2 days for traffic.  :y

Its the fully dry that takes 75 days so the time required before you can seal/cover the surface with a floor covering.

Which no one in the constuction industry ever pays any notice of.  Imagine newbuilds sitting dormant void of floor coverings for over two months  ;D ;D

A lot of new builds are not concrete floors, most are block and beam which have a light grout coating plus insulation, vapour barrier and 18mm chip board.

Others are concrete over insulation which is poured when at DPC level, by the time the walls are built, roof on, floors in , first/second fix, plastering and finish done, its pretty close to the no of days required.

You can get fast drying ones which can be covered in days but, they have issues with cracking etc plus they cost much more
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TD on 23 March 2016, 17:21:00
Hi Steve, good to see your still about   :y

Screed went down today, lovely job, very highly recommended!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage32_zpsoupuaf8k.jpg)

That does look like a good job....no need for self levelling compound there, I thinks.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2016, 20:41:46
You did pressure test the underfloor heating before you did that.....didn't you?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2016, 20:42:44
Sorry.......must read and remember what I read...... :-[
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 March 2016, 11:38:14
You did pressure test the underfloor heating before you did that.....didn't you?

To answer anyway, 4 bar air pressure and its still 4 bar as of last night  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: henryd on 24 March 2016, 15:27:50
You did pressure test the underfloor heating before you did that.....didn't you?

To answer anyway, 4 bar air pressure and its still 4 bar as of last night  :y

It'll be a bugger if it drops now :-X ;)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 March 2016, 15:44:06
Well it wont be the pipe if it does  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 24 March 2016, 16:16:45
You did pressure test the underfloor heating before you did that.....didn't you?

To answer anyway, 4 bar air pressure and its still 4 bar as of last night  :y

Damn sight better than my C/H system manages (mutter, mutter) ;D (starting to think it's leaking into the concrete floor .. joy!)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 25 April 2016, 14:45:43
Anyway......UFH is still showing 4 bar.......  :y

Loads of progress and this despite a further trip to the wrong side of the planet on business!

Stud wall constructed to create the separate man cave and kitchen area, the kitchen half has been boarded and plastered plus the first fix plumbing added:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage33_zpsi8equzwf.jpg)

Once dried, the plaster had a coat of well watered down emulsion to help seal things and then last Friday, the kitchen arrived.

Queue a busy weekend of fitting units:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage34_zpsz4x5npv3.jpg)

More units to fit yet and various bits of trim and finish to add (about 7-10 days worth in between going to work and other commitments) before they measure for the worktops (next Thursday, with fit the week after).


Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Viral_Jim on 25 April 2016, 14:48:56
Looking good Mr Mark  :y

Are you DIY'ing everything? Very professional looking plaster and brick laying finish if so!  :)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Steve B on 25 April 2016, 14:50:10
Thats looking good mark  :y  The end is in sight
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 25 April 2016, 14:51:05
Looking good Mr Mark  :y

Are you DIY'ing everything? Very professional looking plaster and brick laying finish if so!  :)

Plastering is an art, I built the stud and boarded it out but go some pros in to do the skim etc.

I did all brick work below DPC and got a couple of brickies in to throw the rest up (to save time!)

Everything else is my own work  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Viral_Jim on 25 April 2016, 14:56:22
Looking good Mr Mark  :y

Are you DIY'ing everything? Very professional looking plaster and brick laying finish if so!  :)

Plastering is an art, I built the stud and boarded it out but go some pros in to do the skim etc.

I did all brick work below DPC and got a couple of brickies in to throw the rest up (to save time!)

Everything else is my own work  :y

Impressive stuff!

SWMBO and I are about 3 months off completing our renovation ("back to brick" on our 3 storey victorian place), I took the same approach as you, I'll board out but not do the actual plastering. However I'll only do brick/block work if its being rendered or plasterboarded over - just not a skill I've ever acquired!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 25 April 2016, 15:02:12

Impressive stuff!

SWMBO and I are about 3 months off completing our renovation ("back to brick" on our 3 storey victorian place), I took the same approach as you, I'll board out but not do the actual plastering. However I'll only do brick/block work if its being rendered or plasterboarded over - just not a skill I've ever acquired!

I don't mind brickwork, its all about corners and then the rest is easy, I am just not overly quick at it!

However, by doing the foundations it means its mega square and level which most brickies don't worry to much about.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 May 2016, 08:14:40
First fit kitchen complete including the island and the various end panels.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage36_zpsjiyi5vzt.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage35_zpstzxz4uox.jpg)

Today they template for the worktops and the floor tiles arrive, in theory the kitchen should be all but done by the end of May
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Lazydocker on 05 May 2016, 08:24:07
First fit kitchen complete including the island and the various end panels.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage36_zpsjiyi5vzt.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Stage35_zpstzxz4uox.jpg)

Today they template for the worktops and the floor tiles arrive, in theory the kitchen should be all but done by the end of March
Typo or deliberate? ??? ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 May 2016, 08:35:22
Whoops edited!  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: raywilb on 05 May 2016, 09:23:07
Looking good there Mark, and looks like bloody hard work. :y

Take it you got planning permission.  ;) ;

 probably didn't need it , just building regs . looks a nice tidy job . speaking as city & guilds brickie ( retired )
. :y :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 May 2016, 09:48:49
Looking good there Mark, and looks like bloody hard work. :y

Take it you got planning permission.  ;) ;

 probably didn't need it , just building regs . looks a nice tidy job . speaking as city & guilds brickie ( retired )
. :y :y

Thanks!, I tend to be a bit fussy on finish and accuracy (OCD!)

Planning required sadly due to the size (36m2), building regs also (building notice for me as despite having drawn up the build plans myself, I find it very useful to get building control out for advice and input).

Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: raywilb on 05 May 2016, 12:46:21
Nice job Mark. When the steels are in, can you keep the ceiling line smooth coming out into the extension?

Yes we could however, we took the decison to have a vaulted ceiling due to the two large Velux windows that are going in  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: raywilb on 05 May 2016, 13:04:28
Nice job Mark. When the steels are in, can you keep the ceiling line smooth coming out into the extension?

Yes we could however, we took the decison to have a vaulted ceiling due to the two large Velux windows that are going in  :y
  the last job I did similar to yours was hampered by a nightmare  neighbour. as you probably know a 3 metres from existing building doesn't work to a brick gauge. he would have had us knock it down if we came out 30mm to work to brick. also our ground level was 600mm below d.p.c and our ridge according to regs could not be more than 4mtrs from the ground level. I ordered doors 2mtr in height to help with the pitch.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Mr Gav on 07 May 2016, 09:24:51
Nice job Mark. When the steels are in, can you keep the ceiling line smooth coming out into the extension?

Yes we could however, we took the decison to have a vaulted ceiling due to the two large Velux windows that are going in  :y
  the last job I did similar to yours was hampered by a nightmare  neighbour. as you probably know a 3 metres from existing building doesn't work to a brick gauge. he would have had us knock it down if we came out 30mm to work to brick. also our ground level was 600mm below d.p.c and our ridge according to regs could not be more than 4mtrs from the ground level. I ordered doors 2mtr in height to help with the pitch.

Thats what annoys me with building regs and planning, they don`t take into account the knock on effect that these things have, like when they say the ridge of an extension has to be "x"mm below the existing ridge to make it look like an extension but you keep the same roof pitch of the existing roof this also lowers your soffit height and so on.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: tigers_gonads on 07 May 2016, 10:27:24
Building control is a nightmare depending on which area you live in.
Take around here ...........
My house comes underneath Hull City Council and they are absolute t wats  >:(
Walk 100 yards down the road and you are in the East Riding jurisdiction and the couldn't be more helpful with there interpretation of planning and building regulations  :)
Much cheaper too  :y :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 08 May 2016, 10:02:46
MDTM, I just looked up when I helped drag the blocks round and mix up the poop, mid November 2014. Where did that 18 months go :o

Last time I was there, around 6 months ago (and where did that 6 months go :o), the shell was complete, windows in, but awaiting the bi-folds.

Having seen it in the flesh, I can really make sense of the pictures and the scale, and am amazed that you can find the time on top of your full time job with its overseas travel, family commitments and Hornby commitments.  I rarely seem to have the time to do anything on school nights.


I'm looking forward to the invite of supping beer and watching Leicester v Villa on your big screen in the mancave...   ...Villa might be back in the premiership by the time its fully finished ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 May 2016, 09:08:51
Oh it might be a few years off (other than a cup match) for a Villa - Leicester match!

Kitchen should be finished this month, floor tiles went down in most of it yesterday (some plumbing and fettling to do before the rest can be done) and worktops go in on Friday.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TD on 09 May 2016, 09:39:31
Looking good Mark  :y

Whats the 'thingy' to the right of what looks like where the kitchen sink is going??

Will look a treat when you have fitted the blue leds into the plinths  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 May 2016, 10:08:21
Looking good Mark  :y

Whats the 'thingy' to the right of what looks like where the kitchen sink is going??

Will look a treat when you have fitted the blue leds into the plinths  ;D

That is a wine cooler for Er-indoors to store her medicine in!  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TD on 09 May 2016, 12:12:56
Looking good Mark  :y

Whats the 'thingy' to the right of what looks like where the kitchen sink is going??

Will look a treat when you have fitted the blue leds into the plinths  ;D

That is a wine cooler for Er-indoors to store her medicine in!  :y

Ah ok  :y

No doubt it will also accept bottles of beer  :)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 June 2016, 11:32:03
Further progress with a functional kitchen!

Water and waste sorted, water softener refitted, sink commissioned, outside tap sorted, dishwasher in, wine cooler in, fridge in and connected to electric and water, wiring done and tested (not signed off as done by me thus far!).

Gas gets sorted at the weekend at which point the cooker will be fitted.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage37_zpsjliayevb.jpg)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: RossPhim on 01 June 2016, 12:12:57
That's looking smart, Mark!
Well done!   :y :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Jimbob on 01 June 2016, 12:17:12
For perspective....Your stood in the old kitchen?  table or sink end?

Looking good :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 June 2016, 12:21:40
Stood by the old sink (which is on the drive for the pikeys to take away)  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Jimbob on 01 June 2016, 12:23:58
Cheers. Helps on the size perspective.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 June 2016, 12:25:04
That's looking smart, Mark!
Well done!   :y :y

Thanks, getting there......slowly!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 01 June 2016, 18:11:33
Gas gets sorted at the weekend at which point the cooker will be fitted.
Mrs DTM will have you slaving away over that as son as its in :P.

See, you did it all wrong, you should have finished the boys only room next door first ;)


Looks stunning though :y...  ...and even more impressive that its mostly DIY.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Mr Gav on 02 June 2016, 18:51:37
Further progress with a functional kitchen!

Water and waste sorted, water softener refitted, sink commissioned, outside tap sorted, dishwasher in, wine cooler in, fridge in and connected to electric and water, wiring done and tested (not signed off as done by me thus far!).

Gas gets sorted at the weekend at which point the cooker will be fitted.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage37_zpsjliayevb.jpg)

Looks very nice that Mark, very nice indeed  :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: terry paget on 02 June 2016, 20:08:36
I rewired my house in 1975, and South West Electricity checked it and signed it off. I had a man build me a new garage in 1991, and wired that myself too.
I understand the law changed in the last ten years, making amateur wiring a bit more difficult. It is still allowed however, though electricians don't publicise this fact. Under current regulations DIY owners may do their own wiring, so long as they advise the local authority of their plans beforehand. The local authority is then obliged, at its expense, to iinspect the completed job and sign it off.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 June 2016, 08:09:10
I rewired my house in 1975, and South West Electricity checked it and signed it off. I had a man build me a new garage in 1991, and wired that myself too.
I understand the law changed in the last ten years, making amateur wiring a bit more difficult. It is still allowed however, though electricians don't publicise this fact. Under current regulations DIY owners may do their own wiring, so long as they advise the local authority of their plans beforehand. The local authority is then obliged, at its expense, to iinspect the completed job and sign it off.

Close, you have to pay for building regs and then they may (and it varies with location and authority) inspect and test.  :y

So sadly not totally at their expense, in my case its all to the latest regs (I even did de-rating calcs and checked volt drop at ring extremities......two things I am yet to find a sparky be able to do!) plus some as I am still a great believer in pipe work earthing which is no longer such a must. Final step will be a test of the consumer box and hand the results to the BC (I have already tested that which has been done thus far and its well within code).

The most silly part of Part P is that you could re-wire a whole house and get past the regs as minor work, and more critically, circuit repair, is allowed!.....so do the re-wire over a whole year doing little bits at a time........
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Viral_Jim on 03 June 2016, 09:05:40
Looks great Mark, Almost over the line now.

I suspect my OCD in such matters would have made me centre the window, skylight, island and sink all along the same line.

Oh and I'd probably have moved the garden swing as well  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 June 2016, 10:20:29
Looks great Mark, Almost over the line now.

I suspect my OCD in such matters would have made me centre the window, skylight, island and sink all along the same line.

Oh and I'd probably have moved the garden swing as well  ;D

A yes there is a story behind that......

The skylight and windows should have been in line and consequently the sink also.

However, I had a couple of brick layers in to chuck the walls up whilst we were at the Newent meet and they screwed up, the window got built one brick to far to the right (it should have aligned with the window on the first floor) which would have kept everything pretty much aligned.

Hence a design compromise had to be made and in this case it was to fit a wider Velux (so as to get some transitional alignment between the upstairs and downstairs windows), I didn't fancy ripping the completed wall, soldier course and lintel down at the time.

Of course the drains were already fitted which influenced the sink position (its adjusted as far as it can be and the bit where you actually stand to wash up is pretty close to the window centre).

In reality the larger velux has been brilliant and the layout works. :y

I always find the only issues I have are where I pay others to do work for me!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Varche on 03 June 2016, 13:58:57
How true about "I always find the only issues I have are where I pay others to do work for me!"

Had some garage doors made up for a new garage we built for trailer and tools storage. The metalista ( metalworker ) arrived and they were 30 cm to narrow for the opening. I was there when he measured too. Three days later he was back with them remade, with a builder ( to help instal and mix mortar to hold the fixings in.) I had to ask him to remake one fixing as the metal prong was proud of our finished surface!. The others he had gobbered a mountain of mortar over "to make it stronger". I levelled those off too.

Got to say Mark, it is looking pretty good. :y
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: terry paget on 04 June 2016, 15:36:42
I rewired my house in 1975, and South West Electricity checked it and signed it off. I had a man build me a new garage in 1991, and wired that myself too.
I understand the law changed in the last ten years, making amateur wiring a bit more difficult. It is still allowed however, though electricians don't publicise this fact. Under current regulations DIY owners may do their own wiring, so long as they advise the local authority of their plans beforehand. The local authority is then obliged, at its expense, to iinspect the completed job and sign it off.

Close, you have to pay for building regs and then they may (and it varies with location and authority) inspect and test.  :y

So sadly not totally at their expense, in my case its all to the latest regs (I even did de-rating calcs and checked volt drop at ring extremities......two things I am yet to find a sparky be able to do!) plus some as I am still a great believer in pipe work earthing which is no longer such a must. Final step will be a test of the consumer box and hand the results to the BC (I have already tested that which has been done thus far and its well within code).

The most silly part of Part P is that you could re-wire a whole house and get past the regs as minor work, and more critically, circuit repair, is allowed!.....so do the re-wire over a whole year doing little bits at a time........
My friend assures me the free wiring inspection is an obligation on the local authority. I think it is in Part P. here is his reply.
Hi Terry,


He is right that you have to pay for building control (regs), but I assume that he did that for his extension. There is no further charge. It doesn't depend on location and authority as it is a national obligation, but some authorities try to get out of it.


Chris
 
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 September 2016, 09:02:38
Blimey, its been that long since an update!

So, it would appear that good plasterers are hard to get at the moment but one is coming at the end of the month to complete all the plastering work.

All the 'man cave walls are plasterboard ready and the old kitchen dining room is almost fully prepared as well.

Pocket door kit arrives today which will be fitted at the weekend.

That then leaves the only major job as the last of the under floor heating........xmas finish.....maybe!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 08 September 2016, 09:18:17
Pocket door kit arrives today which will be fitted at the weekend.

Best thing we fitted as part of the bathroom remodel at my last place! (Had to move a wall slightly anyway so took it down and rebuilt it in metal stud w/ the pocket door) All doors should be pocket doors..
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2016, 09:47:42
All doors should be pocket doors..
They do save a lot of space :y

A mate, years ago, fitted sliding doors (not pocket doors) upstairs when he made an extra bedroom at his gaff, which gave the space, but his mum struggled with action to open and close them - wonder if that's a reason they are not the norm, esp as houses are getting smaller and smaller.

 :-\
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2016, 09:49:57
finish.....maybe!
I might need CANdi again in a month or so, so when I've finished bro's next shop refit, might make an excuse to pop up and be nosey see you ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 08 September 2016, 10:01:37
wonder if that's a reason they are not the norm, esp as houses are getting smaller and smaller.

Nah, I reckon it's more down to the same reason modern cars are all made of fail. Cost.

Probably costs what, £25 to hang a standard plain internal door (likely less for a big building company), while a pocket door is likely to cost 4-5 times that..

Also not sure they pass fire regs as fire doors?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2016, 10:06:46
Probably costs what, £25 to hang a standard plain internal door (likely less for a big building company), while a pocket door is likely to cost 4-5 times that..
You're probably right :y.  Though if builders could save a load of space and make a property take less space, the additional few hundred quid could be quite cheap?
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 September 2016, 13:47:29
Pocket doors have come on a lot in the last 10 years or so, the modern kits with metal cassettes and pre-finished mouldings are very very good.

You can get fire rated ones to  :y

For me it was the choice of a single door or double door, both of which would effectively open out into the middle of room and eat space up so this is a perfect solution. Should have it fitted this weekend so it will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 08 September 2016, 14:28:43
Yep, the one we fitted to the bathroom was great - nice metal frame, soft close, smooth action etc; just hung a regular cheap door in it in the end as it was going out for rent, but so much better than having a door open in to the bathroom.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 10 October 2016, 13:49:02
Blimey, a long time since an update!

Not stopped working on the extension (between visits abroad on business and a recent Reg Prescott casualty trip!) and got loads done.

Major milestone is that all plastering is now done and this includes the 'man cave', former dining room and kitchen (now one room) and the area around the pocket door in the hall way. All walls and ceilings were stripped of existing plasterboard and new installed to get the best possible finish.

And despite of the A&E visit, still managed to get the walls and ceilings in the man cave painted and the laminate down over the weekend.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Extension/Stage38_zpsxfruv3zv.jpg)


Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 10 October 2016, 15:09:42
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: STEMO on 10 October 2016, 16:50:21
You need more sockets. ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 October 2016, 20:58:00
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

 :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 10 October 2016, 21:29:52
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

 :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Too close to the bone?  :D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Lazydocker on 10 October 2016, 22:55:21
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

 :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Too close to the bone?  :D

Clearly not that close ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 October 2016, 08:40:27
You need more sockets. ;D

Can you have to many?  ;D :y

Quite a few of the holes are for speaker cable points (surround sound), HDMI, Ethernet, Coax, optical etc.
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 October 2016, 08:41:17
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

Finished for xmas (based on the assumption of no further minor injuries.......)  ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 October 2016, 08:42:45
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

 :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Too close to the bone?  :D

Clearly not that close ::)

It was the position of the bone that stopped the saw getting a tendon or artery, you could see a cut in it...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 11 October 2016, 09:24:40
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

Finished for xmas (based on the assumption of no further minor injuries.......)  ;D

I've been through this with my dad.

Which Xmas?  ::)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: aaronjb on 11 October 2016, 10:37:47
You need more sockets. ;D

Can you have to many?  ;D :y

No. :y ;D

(Biggest peeve of now living in a 1930s house .. even the 2012 extension had the bare minimum of sockets fitted to it)
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 October 2016, 11:42:12
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

Finished for xmas (based on the assumption of no further minor injuries.......)  ;D

I've been through this with my dad.

Which Xmas?  ::)

I am reliably informed its this coming xmas.......not that she is doing the work!
Title: Re: A bit of homework, Project E
Post by: Gaffers on 11 October 2016, 12:31:44
Still at it Mark?!  Obviously you're not as 'handy' as we were led to beilieve ;D

Btw, looks very impressive.  Can you come and do mine?  :p

Finished for xmas (based on the assumption of no further minor injuries.......)  ;D

I've been through this with my dad.

Which Xmas?  ::)

I am reliably informed its this coming xmas.......not that she is doing the work!

Aint that the truth....