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Title: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2023, 10:56:05
Got a piece of steel rod, probably about 4mm (maybe 5mm, I should measure it ;D), with a 90 degree bend in it.

I need the bend to go the other way (ie, 180 degrees from where it currently goes), am I best off trying to bend on the current bend, or by twisting the rod before the bend?
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 January 2023, 11:25:01
Get it on the gas hob until red hot and then bend it to where you want it, use a socket extension or similar (to get the required bend radius) in a vice to act as a former for the bend

Do not twist it
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2023, 11:39:58
Get it on the gas hob until red hot and then bend it to where you want it, use a socket extension or similar (to get the required bend radius) in a vice to act as a former for the bend

Do not twist it
I wonder if a halogen hob will ge....    ....nah ;D

Gas torch do it?
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2023, 11:40:28
The bend is tight, so prob doesn't need a former.

Lemme grab a pic.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2023, 11:45:13
This bit needs to point the other way...

(https://theboy.omegaowners.com/jag_pics/odds/SideNet.JPG)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2023, 11:47:46
Maybe use a screwdriver to form the bend?
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: cam.in.head on 09 January 2023, 11:49:45
i would say its a lot easier to heat and twist the area leading up to the bend than trying to strsighten it and then bend the other way. if you heat it and twist it over a long area theres less chance of snapping it.
if the side is actually long enough you may even manage it without any heat at all hence no damage.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 January 2023, 12:15:38
It absolutley will need heat  :y

Twist is never a great approach on a thin item as it thins out the section which is twisted and extends the length 
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 January 2023, 12:15:59
Get it on the gas hob until red hot and then bend it to where you want it, use a socket extension or similar (to get the required bend radius) in a vice to act as a former for the bend

Do not twist it
I wonder if a halogen hob will ge....    ....nah ;D

Gas torch do it?

It should do
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: YZ250 on 09 January 2023, 12:41:49
I assume something on the other end (bracing etc) prevents you from flipping it around or modding the other end. The bend will need heat as otherwise it will fatigue the steel at the bend.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2023, 13:05:58
I assume something on the other end (bracing etc) prevents you from flipping it around or modding the other end. The bend will need heat as otherwise it will fatigue the steel at the bend.
Yup.  Though you have given me another potential idea, I'll go get the ruler out....
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 09 January 2023, 19:32:43
I knew a circus strongman who could bend a 6mm steel rod over his cock, he was telling me the other day that he can’t do it anymore as his wrists have gone👀….
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 09 January 2023, 19:55:01
I knew a circus strongman who could bend a 6mm steel rod over his cock, he was telling me the other day that he can’t do it anymore as his wrists have gone👀….
;D ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 January 2023, 21:30:41
I knew a circus strongman who could bend a 6mm steel rod over his cock, he was telling me the other day that he can’t do it anymore as his wrists have gone👀….

Gone where?  ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 09 January 2023, 22:14:25
Limp ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 January 2023, 22:34:14
He could still try finding work as a Larry Grayson tribute act.  :D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 09 January 2023, 22:45:04
He could still try finding work as a Larry Grayson tribute act.  :D
There are plenty of those about.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Andy B on 10 January 2023, 08:07:34
This bit needs to point the other way... ....

Cut it off & re-weld it the other way ....  ::)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Andy B on 10 January 2023, 08:08:57
.....

Do not twist it

Depends on how long the rod is. If over an inch or so, then no, but if it was over a foot or so ....  :-\
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Andy H on 10 January 2023, 09:32:31
This bit needs to point the other way... ....

Cut it off & re-weld it the other way ....  ::)
In all seriousness this is more likely to produce something usable.

Better still - start with a clean/straight piece of bar
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Nick W on 10 January 2023, 09:59:12
This bit needs to point the other way... ....

Cut it off & re-weld it the other way ....  ::)
In all seriousness this is more likely to produce something usable.

Better still - start with a clean/straight piece of bar


Those were going to be my suggestions. Once you've got a 90° bend in bar, it's very difficult to rebend it satisfactorily. And that is such a short piece, how would you hold it?


Making a new one would probably be quicker too.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: YZ250 on 10 January 2023, 10:27:30
I assume something on the other end (bracing etc) prevents you from flipping it around or modding the other end. The bend will need heat as otherwise it will fatigue the steel at the bend.
Yup.  Though you have given me another potential idea, I'll go get the ruler out....

I was thinking along the lines of, if it’s braced on the other end, cut through the bracing, flip it over and re-weld. Or, cut the straight piece, flip it around and sleeve the join and then weld, or just butt weld a single joint. That way you can maintain the exact bend, the exact length etc.  :-\
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 January 2023, 11:31:26
What is it and what does it do?

What is on the other end?

Can it be removed, reoriented and refitted to achieve the desired result?
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 10 January 2023, 12:11:16
reoriented and refitted to achieve the desired result?
No, hence I need to modify that end.  As that would be less work that turning the whole thing round and modifying both ends ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 10 January 2023, 12:12:19
.....

Do not twist it

Depends on how long the rod is. If over an inch or so, then no, but if it was over a foot or so ....  :-\
About 5"
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 10 January 2023, 12:13:16
 Buy a new whatever it is and save yourself the headache.👍👍😎
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 10 January 2023, 12:17:12
Buy a new whatever it is and save yourself the headache.👍👍😎
That is brand new, and the nearest I can get to fit.  Hence the need to modify it :D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 January 2023, 12:24:14
Without knowing what it is and what it does we're guessing somewhat.

Clearly if it is being used as intended and designed but mismanufactured, then it needs to go back. End of debate.

However, if you are adapting something from its original application then more detail is required. Unless it is a surprise. Or a secret.  ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 10 January 2023, 12:35:23
Heat it, bend it, stop being a fanny and get it done  ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: zirk on 15 January 2023, 13:38:12
I reckon the minute you put that on a Gas Hob the Ruler is just going to melt.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: biggriffin on 15 January 2023, 13:59:26
I reckon the minute you put that on a Gas Hob the Ruler is just going to melt.


Mmm TB+Gas+flame=💥. Not again
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Andy B on 15 January 2023, 14:21:37
I reckon the minute you put that on a Gas Hob the Ruler is just going to melt.


Mmm TB+Gas+flame=💥. Not again
::)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 15 January 2023, 17:13:45
Turns out that it wasn't painted, but some sort of coating. Oops.

But bent, touched up, fitted to the car  :y
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 January 2023, 17:31:38
So c'mon then, what was it and what is it now?  ???  ::)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 15 January 2023, 17:39:24
I'm guessing a cargo net, since that was mentioned in 'What have you done......." earlier.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 January 2023, 17:56:45
I'm guessing a cargo net, since that was mentioned in 'What have you done......." earlier.

Ah, didn't spot that.  :y

I think we need the full story though...  ::)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 15 January 2023, 18:36:21
As STEMO says, a small cargo net for the sides of the boot.  Only the manufacturer only makes them for the nearside, and she wanted one on the offside as well.

https://accessories.jaguar.com/gl/en/xe/interior/interior-protection/t4n7499-loadspace-side-net/#tertiary-tabs
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 January 2023, 19:11:36
I wonder if they offer one for the nearside, just not against that reg/chassis number. ::)

It’s the sort of stuff that gets added as an 'improvement' over the previous model/lower specs.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 January 2023, 20:36:30
As STEMO says, a small cargo net for the sides of the boot.  Only the manufacturer only makes them for the nearside, and she wanted one on the offside as well.

https://accessories.jaguar.com/gl/en/xe/interior/interior-protection/t4n7499-loadspace-side-net/#tertiary-tabs

For example  ;)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 15 January 2023, 21:04:51
As STEMO says, a small cargo net for the sides of the boot.  Only the manufacturer only makes them for the nearside, and she wanted one on the offside as well.

https://accessories.jaguar.com/gl/en/xe/interior/interior-protection/t4n7499-loadspace-side-net/#tertiary-tabs

For example  ;)
What are you on about?
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 January 2023, 21:07:00
Apparently unavailable boot net for the off side of a Jaguar XE.

Obviously. The link is pretty self explanatory  :D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 15 January 2023, 22:06:51
The link looks like the same link Jaime posted to me. Same part number, same picture.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 January 2023, 22:55:33
The link looks like the same link Jaime posted to me. Same part number, same picture.
Well there you go. Probably because it is the same link taken out of his post.  ;D

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-T4N7499 is what I meant to post...

It's for the offside, which is the one he was trying to 'make' unless he's gone and got nearside and off side confused.

Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 15 January 2023, 23:28:36
The link looks like the same link Jaime posted to me. Same part number, same picture.
Well there you go. Probably because it is the same link taken out of his post.  ;D

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-T4N7499 is what I meant to post...

It's for the offside, which is the one he was trying to 'make' unless he's gone and got nearside and off side confused.
Not so self explanatory then  ::)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 15 January 2023, 23:55:46
The link looks like the same link Jaime posted to me. Same part number, same picture.
Well there you go. Probably because it is the same link taken out of his post.  ;D

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-T4N7499 is what I meant to post...

It's for the offside, which is the one he was trying to 'make' unless he's gone and got nearside and off side confused.
Not so self explanatory then  ::)
And....not so sure about your second link. Same part number, same picture.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2023, 00:12:59
And it's still the offside one.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 16 January 2023, 00:22:27
And it's still the offside one.
All the links are for the offside one  ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2023, 01:01:38
And it's still the offside one.
All the links are for the offside one  ;D
Exactly.

That's the one TB suggested that he required, hence being confused by the need to modify one  ???

Of course, had he said what it was for when he first asked about bending it, then this would be a moot point.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 16 January 2023, 18:02:33
Its a library picture.  That PN is only for NS.

IME with JLR side cargo nets, they are normally sold as a matching pair. I guess due to how the boot trim goes, due to a bundle of electrics behind it, they deem it not worthwhile?  The NS one on EPC specifically says for cars without amps, probably for same reason.


I wouldn't be without them, perfect for little trinkets we all carry.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 16 January 2023, 18:47:20
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y

Afterall, duct taping an old cornflake box to the o/s of the boot would have done the same job.  ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 January 2023, 18:51:15
Its a library picture.  That PN is only for NS.

IME with JLR side cargo nets, they are normally sold as a matching pair. I guess due to how the boot trim goes, due to a bundle of electrics behind it, they deem it not worthwhile?  The NS one on EPC specifically says for cars without amps, probably for same reason.


I wouldn't be without them, perfect for little trinkets we all carry.
That makes much more sense  :y
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Nick W on 16 January 2023, 19:11:57
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y

Afterall, duct taping an old cornflake box to the o/s of the boot would have done the same job.  ;D


Using some stick-on velcro to attach a box to the boot carpet would actually work.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 16 January 2023, 19:19:21
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y
You're right, she is a bloody lucky woman...
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 16 January 2023, 19:19:53
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y

Afterall, duct taping an old cornflake box to the o/s of the boot would have done the same job.  ;D


Using some stick-on velcro to attach a box to the boot carpet would actually work.
Not around the lanes ;D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 16 January 2023, 20:45:12
With you driving 😂
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 January 2023, 21:11:09
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y

Afterall, duct taping an old cornflake box to the o/s of the boot would have done the same job.  ;D


Using some stick-on velcro to attach a box to the boot carpet would actually work.
Not around the lanes ;D

An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 17 January 2023, 01:30:41
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y

Afterall, duct taping an old cornflake box to the o/s of the boot would have done the same job.  ;D


Using some stick-on velcro to attach a box to the boot carpet would actually work.
Not around the lanes ;D

An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 17 January 2023, 01:35:59
As did the old red top XE👍👍
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 January 2023, 07:41:00
Its a library picture.  That PN is only for NS.

IME with JLR side cargo nets, they are normally sold as a matching pair. I guess due to how the boot trim goes, due to a bundle of electrics behind it, they deem it not worthwhile?  The NS one on EPC specifically says for cars without amps, probably for same reason.


I wouldn't be without them, perfect for little trinkets we all carry.

The amp (Meridian system) sits below the floor in the left side in the recess where the tail lights etc are, so the floor sits a bit higher in that area  :y
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 18 January 2023, 13:34:15
I think Mrs TB is a very lucky woman!  :y

Afterall, duct taping an old cornflake box to the o/s of the boot would have done the same job.  ;D


Using some stick-on velcro to attach a box to the boot carpet would actually work.
Not around the lanes ;D

An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: YZ250 on 19 January 2023, 18:23:23
……
An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D

See, this is where we differ. You are still hooning around like a teenager whereas I am genuinely remorseful and haven’t driven at speed since …….. well …… Monday as it happens, but that’s not the point.  :)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Nick W on 19 January 2023, 19:00:24
Not around the lanes ;D

An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D


That would need about 100bhp less to qualify for 'mere.'
And you can still get held up in the bends by far more powerful cars when you've only got 60bhp going through a Borg-Warner35.....
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 January 2023, 19:14:20
……
An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D

See, this is where we differ. You are still hooning around like a teenager whereas I am genuinely remorseful and haven’t driven at speed since …….. well …… Monday as it happens, but that’s not the point.  :)

You don't necessarily have to drive at speed to enjoy twisties.  :y


The bit where you have to drive at speed is to get past all the utter, utter dullards who driver everywhere at 35 MPH whether it be dark, light, rain, dry, past a school, on black ice.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 19 January 2023, 19:19:01

You don't necessarily have to drive at speed to enjoy twisties.  :y 


👀👀👀😱😱😱😱😱😱🤣
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 January 2023, 19:21:04

You don't necessarily have to drive at speed to enjoy twisties.  :y 


👀👀👀😱😱😱😱😱😱🤣

.. but if you do, you enjoy it more. ;)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 19 January 2023, 19:22:49
 :y :y
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: YZ250 on 19 January 2023, 19:28:27
……
An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D

See, this is where we differ. You are still hooning around like a teenager whereas I am genuinely remorseful and haven’t driven at speed since …….. well …… Monday as it happens, but that’s not the point.  :)

You don't necessarily have to drive at speed to enjoy twisties.  :y


The bit where you have to drive at speed is to get past all the utter, utter dullards who driver everywhere at 35 MPH whether it be dark, light, rain, dry, past a school, on black ice.

I agree about the drivers that are oblivious to their speed. You follow them thinking that they are nervous/cautious, only for them to continue at the same speed through a built up area.  ::)
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 19 January 2023, 19:37:32
……
An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D

See, this is where we differ. You are still hooning around like a teenager whereas I am genuinely remorseful and haven’t driven at speed since …….. well …… Monday as it happens, but that’s not the point.  :)

You don't necessarily have to drive at speed to enjoy twisties.  :y


The bit where you have to drive at speed is to get past all the utter, utter dullards who driver everywhere at 35 MPH whether it be dark, light, rain, dry, past a school, on black ice.

I agree about the drivers that are oblivious to their speed. You follow them thinking that they are nervous/cautious, only for them to continue at the same speed through a built up area.  ::)
Yep, they're everywhere. 40mph in a 50, then 40mph in a 30. Bastards.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2023, 10:26:10
……
An XE does deserve some "enthusiastic" driving round the lanes. :y
Damn right, its a hoot in the twisties, even in her under powered version.  Still, a mere 163bhp means you have to no slow down for the bends  >:D

See, this is where we differ. You are still hooning around like a teenager whereas I am genuinely remorseful and haven’t driven at speed since …….. well …… Monday as it happens, but that’s not the point.  :)
No, I am a reformed character, honest, officer.  I felt my 4 hours of patronisation was the best value course I have ever attended at nigh on £100, plus £4 for each coffee.  What more boredom could I ask for?
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2023, 10:28:10
In these parts, the morons drive at 15mph below the limit, and do all they can to ensure others do.

Which soon becomes dangerous, as drivers get frustrated and attempt more risky over takes, or lots of undertakes on dual carriageways.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: STEMO on 22 January 2023, 10:31:50
In these parts, the morons drive at 15mph below the limit, and do all they can to ensure others do.

Which soon becomes dangerous, as drivers get frustrated and attempt more risky over takes, or lots of undertakes on dual carriageways.
Then they send the dash cam vids to the advertised address and you get a NIP through the door. Entrapment.
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2023, 10:58:21
In these parts, the morons drive at 15mph below the limit, and do all they can to ensure others do.

Which soon becomes dangerous, as drivers get frustrated and attempt more risky over takes, or lots of undertakes on dual carriageways.
Then they send the dash cam vids to the advertised address and you get a NIP through the door. Entrapment.
Probably.  But being a reformed character, I don't rise to it.


But, yes, the old bill need to grow a pair and class driving excessively slowly is dangerous, and start enforcing the lane hogging rule, before the public lose any remaining faith in them
Title: Re: Bending a rod
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 January 2023, 11:02:30
In these parts, the morons drive at 15mph below the limit, and do all they can to ensure others do.

Which soon becomes dangerous, as drivers get frustrated and attempt more risky over takes, or lots of undertakes on dual carriageways.
                And that’s more dangerous than speeding. Makes you wonder what’s happened to the world.