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US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« on: 07 November 2021, 23:47:28 »

Verstappen and Hamilton both finished.
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #1 on: 08 November 2021, 13:22:06 »

Verstappen and Hamilton both finished.

I think that the boy wonder may prove too hot for an ageing Hamilton to deal with.

Is Max better than Hamilton was when he was 23?......I don't know the answer to this. 
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #2 on: 08 November 2021, 13:31:17 »

I didn't support calls for Bottas to be replaced after the summer break, but I'm wondering if I was wrong. IMV Bottas showed a complete lack of racecraft here, and let the Merc team down badly. How the hell can you start from pole, and end up last facing the wrong way before you've even got round turn 1.

From the on car footage it's obvious he braked at least 10m before Hamilton, and 20m before Verstappen. Ultimatley braking early caused Ricciado to clip him and spin him round. Whilst I accept that was Ricciado was to blame, it doesn't happen unless you put yourself in a position for it to happen. The racecraft way when you are level with cars either side of you is to keep in a straight line, keep your foot in and brake as late as you dare into turn 1. Don't panic and brake early. The only 'rule' is don't hit your team mate - the stewards will accept you running wide in turn 1 to avoid a collision.

And then at the end of the race it took him 2 sets of softs to set fastest lap.

As it played out, I don't think there was any way for Hamilton to win this one. If Max hadn't got past at the start, he'd have had enough pace for the undercut to work at the first pit stop. I don't think an on track overtake would have been required. The only way for Hamilton to win would have been fortunate safety car timing during the pit stop windows.

Can't see how Hamilton can win the WDC now without a DNF for Max. 19 points ahead, 4 races to go and Red Bull hot favorites in Brazil. Hamilton needs to win all 4, and hope Max finishes lower than 2nd in one of those races. The WCC may also be gone for Merc unless Bottas can buck his act up and beat Perez in the remaining races.

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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #3 on: 08 November 2021, 13:32:52 »

The Red Bull is the faster car, by a long way at some tracks. Its not about the drivers unfortunately.
Verstappen has been in F1 for 6 years now. Hamilton had done a lot more after he had ben around for 6 years.
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #4 on: 08 November 2021, 13:36:31 »

I actually wondered if Bottas acted deliberately yesterday. He left the door wide open for Verstappen on his left and then braked so early Riciardo was caught by surprise and hit him up the rear. Not something you would normally expect from Riciardo .
I agree that its now Verstappens / Red Bull / Adrian Neweys, title to lose.
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #5 on: 08 November 2021, 13:42:35 »

The Red Bull is the faster car, by a long way at some tracks. Its not about the drivers unfortunately.
Verstappen has been in F1 for 6 years now. Hamilton had done a lot more after he had ben around for 6 years.

I would like to see Hamilton race Max in exactly the same car with exactly the same fuel load and exactly the same tyres. Otherwise it is just  pure speculation.

Over 20 different circuits I'm not sure who would come out on top. If they were both 23 my money would be on Hamilton. With Hamilton now 36 or 37, I reckon Max would win out.


Unfortunately we will never know. :-\
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #6 on: 08 November 2021, 13:44:24 »

I actually wondered if Bottas acted deliberately yesterday. He left the door wide open for Verstappen on his left and then braked so early Riciardo was caught by surprise and hit him up the rear. Not something you would normally expect from Riciardo .
I agree that its now Verstappens / Red Bull / Adrian Neweys, title to lose.

Bottas is merely going through the motions.

Win or lose his wages will be huge. ::)
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #7 on: 08 November 2021, 14:43:09 »

Why are you talking about a GP that happened last month?
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #8 on: 08 November 2021, 14:45:43 »

Why are you talking about a GP that happened last month?

DG started it Sir. :D
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #9 on: 08 November 2021, 14:46:03 »

Good point. I assumed we were talking about yesterday.  ;D
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #10 on: 08 November 2021, 14:47:41 »

Why are you talking about a GP that happened last month?

DG started it Sir. :D
Doesn't he always?  ::)
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #11 on: 08 November 2021, 14:48:24 »

Good point. I assumed we were talking about yesterday.  ;D

As did I. :-[
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #12 on: 08 November 2021, 14:49:59 »

Why are you talking about a GP that happened last month?

DG started it Sir. :D
Doesn't he always?  ::)

At school the teachers would always say that I started it. ::)

Most of the time they were right. ;D

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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #13 on: 08 November 2021, 14:51:10 »

Why are you talking about a GP that happened last month?

DG started it Sir. :D
Doesn't he always?  ::)

At school the teachers would always say that I started it. ::)

Most of the time they were right. ;D
I think you may have mentioned that before.
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Re: US Grand Prix (possible spoiler)...
« Reply #14 on: 08 November 2021, 14:52:24 »

Why are you talking about a GP that happened last month?

DG started it Sir. :D
Doesn't he always?  ::)

At school the teachers would always say that I started it. ::)

Most of the time they were right. ;D
I think you may have mentioned that before.

The teachers picked on me. 8)
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