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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #15 on: 12 December 2021, 16:33:23 »

Mercedes have announced they will appeal the result of the race. And rightly so.
Regulations say all lapped cars should be allowed to unlap themselves. They allowed the cars between Hamilton and Versatappen to do this, but not the cars behind Verstappen.
If they had followed the rules, by the time the lapped cars caught up with the pack, there wouldnt have been time to start racing again.
Robbed is the perfect word for it.
The problem is, it is now much more Disney style showbiz than motor racing as we knew it, so to take the title back off Verstappen now (which has never happened before) will hurt the image badly, so I will be very surprised if it happens.
I would imagine Masi will be quietly replaced before next season but it doesnt help what happened today.

But do we want the race to finish under the safety car?

At least we had a 'wheel to wheel' last lap race.

F1 has little excitement as it is and if the race had finished with the pack slowly following Hamilton around it would have been very dull.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #16 on: 12 December 2021, 16:42:47 »

Mercedes have announced they will appeal the result of the race. And rightly so.
Regulations say all lapped cars should be allowed to unlap themselves. They allowed the cars between Hamilton and Versatappen to do this, but not the cars behind Verstappen.
If they had followed the rules, by the time the lapped cars caught up with the pack, there wouldnt have been time to start racing again.
Robbed is the perfect word for it.
The problem is, it is now much more Disney style showbiz than motor racing as we knew it, so to take the title back off Verstappen now (which has never happened before) will hurt the image badly, so I will be very surprised if it happens.
I would imagine Masi will be quietly replaced before next season but it doesnt help what happened today.

But do we want the race to finish under the safety car?

At least we had a 'wheel to wheel' last lap race.

F1 has little excitement as it is and if the race had finished with the pack slowly following Hamilton around it would have been very dull.

At least it would have been a legitimate result ! he was robbed pure and simple
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #17 on: 12 December 2021, 16:48:00 »

For many years it was dull watching the same car/driver always wining but to effectively give the lead car on the last lap a 10 second penalty and have the second car on new tyres(albeit with some lucky strategy) be allowed to pull up level for the final lap ....no thats just wrong in any book .

Not keen on either driver or team but that wasnt how it should end ...not right
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #18 on: 12 December 2021, 16:50:02 »

I really don't care who wins.

I want it to be entertaining though.

"It's called motor racing Toto" as Masi said to Wolff. People paid £000's to travel to see the race and I think Masi wanted to give them the entertainment they hoped for. He may be right or wrong but it made good television which is why we are talking about it here at OOF. :y

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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #19 on: 12 December 2021, 16:57:21 »

And theres the nub of the issue. It was wrong in every sense, but for people who dont tend to watch or follow it, it was "great entertainment".
Thats what it has become, when it used to be a sport.
Its a bit like a ref. in the dying seconds of a world cup final, allowing a goal to stand when the player who scored it was miles offside.
Entertaining, but wrong.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #20 on: 12 December 2021, 17:07:11 »

And theres the nub of the issue. It was wrong in every sense, but for people who dont tend to watch or follow it, it was "great entertainment".
Thats what it has become, when it used to be a sport.
Its a bit like a ref. in the dying seconds of a world cup final, allowing a goal to stand when the player who scored it was miles offside.
Entertaining, but wrong.

Sport and entertainment can be used in the same sentence. ;)

.......and should be used in the same sentence. :y

Spreadsheet sport will be very dreary.

You could argue that Hamilton should have given the place back to Verstappen early in the race when he was clearly miles off the track. However, I'm glad that didn't happen because it took the race to it's final conclusion.

It was a great race just like the last one. :y

As Tyson Fury said when he knocked out Wilder " Have you not been entertained". :D

Answer...yes we have.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #21 on: 12 December 2021, 17:54:23 »

From a daily rag.............

Sky Sports F1 expert Ted Kravitz has suggested that Verstappen could be slapped with a five-second penalty if he is found guilty of passing Hamilton before the line at the restart on the final lap, which is one of Mercedes' complaints.

Hamilton was less than five seconds behind Verstappen so such a penalty would hand him the title.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #22 on: 12 December 2021, 18:12:48 »

Mercedes should have brought him in for tyres during previous VSC, he would have caught and passed Max.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #23 on: 12 December 2021, 18:33:38 »

I disagree. In that scenario Verstappen may well have just put him in the wall like he tried to do last week.
As for the first lap incident. Verstappen did what he always does. he lunged up the inside, then didnt try to race through the corner,or take the normal racing line, but took a line that meant Hamilton either had to have an accident with him or go off the circuit. He left him no choice.
Imo its Verstappen who should have been penalised for dangerous driving for pushing someone off the track.
He should have been penalised for it in almost every race he has ever driven in though.
Thats why he isnt a great driver, despite his natural speed. He only has a couple of arrows in his quiver.
Push people off track, or place the car where they have two options. Crash or run off the circuit.
He has no finesse as a driver and no class as a person.
It isnt surprising when you look at his fathers history though. He has moulded him in his own image and made him an arrogant dangerous thug.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #24 on: 12 December 2021, 18:38:53 »

The VSC senario gave every team an option and a decision to make which was within their own control..Yes Merc didnt make a good choice but it was theirs and they lived or died by it.

The final 4 lap circus was not a choice they had and given Merc were + 10 seconds up the road from RB its just not right that for a final single lap they were in effect side by side...as I said earlier that is right.

Yes it may of given the huge crowd and TV viewers a thrilling viewing but it wasnt right
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #25 on: 12 December 2021, 18:51:04 »

Sport is entertainment for the spectators.  And the last 15 or so laps were entertaining, and the last was breathtaking.  Unusual for dull, boring F1.

Not withstanding that the rules were clearly, err, "amended" for it to happen.


Whatever the rights or wrongs of how they got there, the last lap showed those 2 spoilt brats can actually play nicely. And brilliantly.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #26 on: 12 December 2021, 19:03:45 »

Sport is entertainment for the spectators.  And the last 15 or so laps were entertaining, and the last was breathtaking.  Unusual for dull, boring F1.

Not withstanding that the rules were clearly, err, "amended" for it to happen.


Whatever the rights or wrongs of how they got there, the last lap showed those 2 spoilt brats can actually play nicely. And brilliantly.

Yep....the 'boy wonder' won't care about the perceived rights and wrongs of the situation. He is the 2021 F1 world champion.

Apparently his girlfriend is the daughter of 3 time F1 champion Nelson Piquet. She is almost 10 years older than young Max so he'll need all of his youthful energy to keep this woman milf satisfied.  ;D ;D
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #27 on: 12 December 2021, 19:11:08 »

Mercedes appeals not upheld. I would be very interested to know on what grounds the decision was arrived at.
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #28 on: 12 December 2021, 19:13:09 »

Just read she had a "pit stop "with Daniil Kyvat and has already off spring so young Max wont need to lunge for the improbable pass on this occasion  ;D
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Re: Abu Dhabi F1 wont contain spoilers
« Reply #29 on: 12 December 2021, 19:19:34 »

"The race Director has overriding authority over the use of the safety car".
In other words. There are no regulations. Unbelievable.
I really dont know if I will watch again in future.  :(
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