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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 25 May 2017, 21:56:50
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Very close friend of mine wrote off her 2012 Corsa Limited Edition last week, which she's had from new (lovely condition) too.
Insurance have given her just under £5k.
To cut a long story short she doesn't want to spent it all (intending to keep some behind for the next insurance premium!) and is looking to spend about £3,000 on something to drive around in.
Criteria - must be a hatchback as Estate too big but also can't be a roller skate due to the mileage it will do. Must be under a 1.8 for insurance purposes. Preferably a diesel as she does 100 miles a day round trip for work. Auto or manual are both fine. No requirement for any serious toys, but the usual safety features are desirable.
I'm erring towards an Astra (H)? of around 2009 Era with the 1.7CDTi manual. Or maybe a Focus 1.6 TDCi of the same era. Found some nice Audi A3's of slightly earlier vintage - also considered VW Golf but they all look battered, abused, chavved up, or silly money.
Any tips are most welcome, we are going shopping over the next few days :y :y
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Very close friend of mine wrote off her 2012 Corsa Limited Edition last week, which she's had from new (lovely condition) too.
Insurance have given her just under £5k.
To cut a long story short she doesn't want to spent it all (intending to keep some behind for the next insurance premium!) and is looking to spend about £3,000 on something to drive around in.
Criteria - must be a hatchback as Estate too big but also can't be a roller skate due to the mileage it will do. Must be under a 1.8 for insurance purposes. Preferably a diesel as she does 100 miles a day round trip for work. Auto or manual are both fine. No requirement for any serious toys, but the usual safety features are desirable.
I'm erring towards an Astra (H)? of around 2009 Era with the 1.7CDTi manual. Or maybe a Focus 1.6 TDCi of the same era. Found some nice Audi A3's of slightly earlier vintage - also considered VW Golf but they all look battered, abused, chavved up, or silly money.
Any tips are most welcome, we are going shopping over the next few days :y :y
Derv and derv which is dead in the water.
Petrol is superior. :y
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Fiat Punto?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl
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Surrey Plod Focus :y
Be circa £7-800 from WOMA ;)
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Tigra, although some models can be a bit Insurance hungry.
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FWIW I would steer away from an Audi, if she's worried about insurance, the repair costs will make her head spin!
There is (in this case) some sense in what the good Dr is saying, unless she's doing serious mileage (20-25k+ pa) she'll hardly make the money back on a diesel. I'd go with a N/A 4-pot petrol, no DPF, DMF, expensive injectors, turbo etc etc.
A car like stemo's that does around 40mpg vs a 55mpg diesel costs about £750more in fuel per 20,000 miles (that's roughly her commute x 5 days x 45wks/yr) or £60 pcm. My guess is that assuming no additional costs, it would be 2yrs before she sees a return on investment.
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Fiat Punto?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl)
Hahahahahahahahahanaha.
Seriously? A Fiat? :o
You're on the right track with a Focus or Astra, but petrol engines are a better bet. I would be looking for an Astra, as I don't like how the Focus drives.
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One of the smaller Volvos?Admittedly the V40 is an estate but it's not a deal bigger than a Focus.
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I would also be looking Focus/Astra
Some of the Astra J's are now around the 3-4k mark and are a much more refined dive than the G and far less 'crashy' than a Focus
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I would also be looking Focus/Astra
Some of the Astra J's are now around the 3-4k mark and are a much more refined dive than the G and far less 'crashy' than a Focus
Astra J is a cracking car all round :y
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100 miles a day is 25k a year ;)
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Fiat Punto?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl)
Hahahahahahahahahanaha.
Seriously? A Fiat? :o
You're on the right track with a Focus or Astra, but petrol engines are a better bet. I would be looking for an Astra, as I don't like how the Focus drives.
Yep seriously! :P An ex-gf had one of these and loved it. :y
It was cheap and cheerful, admittedly built like a biscuit tin, but was good fun to drive and it was very reliable as well. :)
I had a Fiat Uno SX back in the early 1990's and it put up with all the abuse and lack of maintenance that my early 20's self threw at it, and it remains in my all time top 5. Great little car! :y
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I would also be looking Focus/Astra
Some of the Astra J's are now around the 3-4k mark and are a much more refined dive than the G and far less 'crashy' than a Focus
Astra J is a cracking car all round :y
Especially in a fetching shade of green :-* :-* :-*
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Very close friend of mine wrote off her 2012 Corsa Limited Edition last week, which she's had from new (lovely condition) too.
Insurance have given her just under £5k.
To cut a long story short she doesn't want to spent it all (intending to keep some behind for the next insurance premium!) and is looking to spend about £3,000 on something to drive around in.
Criteria - must be a hatchback as Estate too big but also can't be a roller skate due to the mileage it will do. Must be under a 1.8 for insurance purposes. Preferably a diesel as she does 100 miles a day round trip for work. Auto or manual are both fine. No requirement for any serious toys, but the usual safety features are desirable.
I'm erring towards an Astra (H)? of around 2009 Era with the 1.7CDTi manual. Or maybe a Focus 1.6 TDCi of the same era. Found some nice Audi A3's of slightly earlier vintage - also considered VW Golf but they all look battered, abused, chavved up, or silly money.
Any tips are most welcome, we are going shopping over the next few days :y :y
Derv and derv which is dead in the water.
Petrol is superior. :y
Did you read age and budget? Nope you just saw diesel :P
2006-14 era petrols are in the serious minority!
As I've mentioned before I've looked at 2013 Zaf Tourers. 1,000 + diesel examples, number of petrol? sub 30.
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Fiat Punto?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-FIAT-PUNTO-EVO-1-4-8V-DYNAMIC-MANUAL-PETROL-5-DOOR-HATCHBACK-/122419057637?hash=item1c80be93e5:g:q-8AAOSwU8hY5OQl)
Hahahahahahahahahanaha.
Seriously? A Fiat? :o
You're on the right track with a Focus or Astra, but petrol engines are a better bet. I would be looking for an Astra, as I don't like how the Focus drives.
Why not a Fiat? A Fiat 500 that is, which I just love and if I wanted a smaller car I would have one in either pink or red; they look gorgeous in those colours. It is a great car for any women for local / city driving especially. Cheap to run and insure.
These are the ones available on Autotrader around the £3,000 mark :y
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?make=FIAT&model=500&postcode=s728dw&radius=1501&price-from=500&sort=price-desc&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&price-to=3000&search-target=usedcars&quicksearch=true
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il second that. girfriends sister has one.owned from new .no trouble at all. its only a basic 500 model but not to be confused with 70's or 80's fiat stuff.most things pretty reliable nowadays.
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Japanese. Civic perhaps. Deffo avoid diesel of any flavour though!
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Very close friend of mine wrote off her 2012 Corsa Limited Edition last week, which she's had from new (lovely condition) too.
Insurance have given her just under £5k.
To cut a long story short she doesn't want to spent it all (intending to keep some behind for the next insurance premium!) and is looking to spend about £3,000 on something to drive around in.
Criteria - must be a hatchback as Estate too big but also can't be a roller skate due to the mileage it will do. Must be under a 1.8 for insurance purposes. Preferably a diesel as she does 100 miles a day round trip for work. Auto or manual are both fine. No requirement for any serious toys, but the usual safety features are desirable.
I'm erring towards an Astra (H)? of around 2009 Era with the 1.7CDTi manual. Or maybe a Focus 1.6 TDCi of the same era. Found some nice Audi A3's of slightly earlier vintage - also considered VW Golf but they all look battered, abused, chavved up, or silly money.
Any tips are most welcome, we are going shopping over the next few days :y :y
Derv and derv which is dead in the water.
Petrol is superior. :y
Did you read age and budget? Nope you just saw diesel :P
2006-14 era petrols are in the serious minority!
As I've mentioned before I've looked at 2013 Zaf Tourers. 1,000 + diesel examples, number of petrol? sub 30.
Yep......the mere word sent a shudder through my body. :)
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Yep......the mere word sent a shudder through my body. :)
Presumably of near-orgasmic delight. ;D
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Honda Jazz worth a look too :y
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Honda Jazz worth a look too :y
He said 24, not 124 Enery.
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Yep......the mere word sent a shudder through my body. :)
Presumably of near-orgasmic delight. ;D
Not remotely orgasmic, Jimmy. More a shudder of despair. ;)
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Kia Ceed? I had one of these for a little while a few years ago and it was a nice car if a little plasticky inside. :y
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-58-KIA-CEED-1-4-PRO-CEED-ZR-7-3D-104-BHP-/322513620531?hash=item4b174f4e33:g:jVEAAOSwGJlZFPnn
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huyandai ceed or I30,good cars! should be bale to get balance of waranty as its 7 years?
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huyandai ceed or I30,good cars! should be bale to get balance of waranty as its 7 years?
Hyundai don't make a ceed. Tee hee. :P
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We went car shopping on Saturday and came away with an Audi A3 FSI 1.6 petrol. Absolutely mint and far nicer to drive than Astra or focus. I know my way round one mechanically reasonably well too. She's very pleased. Cheers for the tips :y
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Never mind... :D
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We went car shopping on Saturday and came away with an Audi A3 FSI 1.6 petrol. Absolutely mint and far nicer to drive than Astra or focus. I know my way round one mechanically reasonably well too. She's very pleased. Cheers for the tips :y
:y :y :y :y :y
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£1000 gets you a low mileage Mk4 astra 1.6 16V or 1.8 16V if you can find one.
I know where a W reg one with a genuine 2 owners and 35K will be available in September, and my wife will probably have it.
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£1000 gets you a low mileage Mk4 astra 1.6 16V or 1.8 16V if you can find one.
I know where a W reg one with a genuine 2 owners and 35K will be available in September, and my wife will probably have it.
Less will get you a much newer car :-X
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We went car shopping on Saturday and came away with an Audi A3 FSI 1.6 petrol. Absolutely mint and far nicer to drive than Astra or focus. I know my way round one mechanically reasonably well too. She's very pleased. Cheers for the tips :y
I have VAGCOM/VCDS if you need any code reading or stuff enabled let me know.
Check out the Ross Tech site for your specific model, for things that can be enabled/tweaked :y
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
Nice and illegal :) unless the visibility is less then 100 metres of course ...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/25/made :)
or if its easier ...
http://www.highwaycode.info/rule/226
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
Nice and illegal :) unless the visibility is less then 100 metres of course ...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/25/made :)
It's not illegal, it's a factory option! It's just a tick box to enable what is on higher spec cars.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
Nice and illegal :) unless the visibility is less then 100 metres of course ...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/25/made :)
It's not illegal, it's a factory option! It's just a tick box to enable what is on higher spec cars.
Factory options do NOT change the law .. the use of fog lights other than in poor visibility is illegal.
to put it even more simply .. its a factory option to go faster than the speed limits ... for which you then get fined as its against the law ...:)
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
Nice and illegal :) unless the visibility is less then 100 metres of course ...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/25/made :)
It's not illegal, it's a factory option! It's just a tick box to enable what is on higher spec cars.
Factory options do NOT change the law .. the use of fog lights other than in poor visibility is illegal.
Incorrect.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
Nice and illegal :) unless the visibility is less then 100 metres of course ...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/25/made :)
It's not illegal, it's a factory option! It's just a tick box to enable what is on higher spec cars.
Factory options do NOT change the law .. the use of fog lights other than in poor visibility is illegal.
Incorrect.
One day you might learn to research and read before spouting crap
try reading any of the links I've posted .. or using google yourself ..
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q400.htm
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
Nice and illegal :) unless the visibility is less then 100 metres of course ...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/25/made :)
It's not illegal, it's a factory option! It's just a tick box to enable what is on higher spec cars.
Factory options do NOT change the law .. the use of fog lights other than in poor visibility is illegal.
Incorrect.
One day you might learn to research and read before spouting crap
So my car, from the factory had this. No mods, as per VW UK spec. Same as any new Merc, Audi, Skoda, Jag, anything.... At night, indicating the fog light would come on in direction indicated. It would then switch off once finished turning.
This is standard on most new cars, sold in the UK, it has been for some years.
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See here, UK site for a lovely French car.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/ (http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/)
Scroll down..... "CORNERING ASSIST FOG LIGHTS"
Perhaps you should contact this French company? Inform them this model is illegal? While you are at it, contact every car maker ::)
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See here, UK site for a lovely French car.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/ (http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/)
Scroll down..... "CORNERING ASSIST FOG LIGHTS"
Perhaps you should contact this French company? Inform them this model is illegal? While you are at it, contact every car maker ::)
To the best of my knowledge peugeot don't make UK law ... and that's what I'm talking about ...
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See here, UK site for a lovely French car.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/ (http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/)
Scroll down..... "CORNERING ASSIST FOG LIGHTS"
Perhaps you should contact this French company? Inform them this model is illegal? While you are at it, contact every car maker ::)
To the best of my knowledge peugeot don't make UK law ... and that's what I'm talking about ...
So they are actively selling a car and publicly stating that it's breaking the law? ???
This feature Mr Entwood, has been around for at least 10 years on many cars. Mine included.
All I do is enable something that was on S-Line spec, not SE for example.
Seriously getting fed up with the forum and anything that's not an Omega gets pounced on, with it's "witch craft & illegal features" ::) ;D
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See here, UK site for a lovely French car.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/ (http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/)
Scroll down..... "CORNERING ASSIST FOG LIGHTS"
Perhaps you should contact this French company? Inform them this model is illegal? While you are at it, contact every car maker ::)
To the best of my knowledge peugeot don't make UK law ... and that's what I'm talking about ...
Entwood. Do you honestly believe that several manufacturers VAG, PUG etc would be able to produce cars that are UK type approved but have illegal lights?
Wind your neck in. ::)
IF it were illegal, it would be deleted as a uk option. I suspect that the manufacturers in question *just might* have a more detailed knowledge or the regs than your googling.
Just...
Maybe..
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See here, UK site for a lovely French car.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/ (http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/)
Scroll down..... "CORNERING ASSIST FOG LIGHTS"
Perhaps you should contact this French company? Inform them this model is illegal? While you are at it, contact every car maker ::)
To the best of my knowledge peugeot don't make UK law ... and that's what I'm talking about ...
Entwood. Do you honestly believe that several manufacturers VAG, PUG etc would be able to produce cars that are UK type approved but have illegal lights?
Wind your neck in. ::)
IF it were illegal, it would be deleted as a uk option. I suspect that the manufacturers in question *just might* have a more detailed knowledge or the regs than your googling.
Just...
Maybe..
Smart answer .. "wind your neck in" ... shows a great deal of research and understanding , NOT ... :)
Reading the Construction and Use Regulations, along with the Road Vehicle Lighting regulations might actually tell you what UK law is .... but you obviously CBA and know as much as Tunnie .. or think you do ... :)
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/contents/made
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No. But I do know that EU type approval means that the vehicle is sold (legally) in the UK without the need for any further testing. So it is completely legal (in all aspects) for uk road use, as are ALL examples of the type (as long as they have a CoC).
You are wrong by the letter of the law (the UK law has been superseded by EU law in this case) and in practice (show me someone who has been prosecuted for cornering fog lights).
Spouting off about UK regs is utterly irrelevant in the face of an EU type approved vehicle unless an example had been modified.
So, once again, wind your neck in and read the RELEVANT legislation.
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UK regs is utterly irrelevant in the face of an EU type approved vehicle unless an example had been modified.
Define modified...
For example activating a function previously set as dormant at the point of manufacture. ::)
Arguments notwithstanding, it would be interesting to see how the EU type approval varies from model spec to model spec...
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UK regs is utterly irrelevant in the face of an EU type approved vehicle unless an example had been modified.
Define modified...
Type approval is based on a sample of production models and manufacturers are subject to periodic retesting as part of their approval to continue issuing CoC's. Any material change from those tested production models needs to be re-subjected for approval.
Having worked for a tier 1 supplier to several automotive OEMs this testing process is very rigorous and extends as far as having to seek approval for changing the grade of steel used to make drive shafts (picking a random, painful example from my professional life). The loss of authority to issue CoC's would be disastrous to an OEM and adding (or enabling) features not subject to type approval would certainly jeopardise that authority.
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Just to add, in case you were meaning modified after manufacture/sale, that's a whole different ballpark and nothing to do with the manufacturers type approval (sorry if that's stating the obvious). Thinking about it, I'd guess even "manufacturer approved" tuners e.g. What Hirsch is to Saab take cars outside of type approval.
If you were meaning activating a function to "up spec" a car, then I'm guessing (but don't know) based on conversations I've had with insurers you should declare it as a modification. But they still form part of the type approval process.
Where there is a feature of the car which does not meet the criteria for EU type approval, these are changed at the point of manufacturer. The only example like this I can readily think of is the 2nd generation RAV4. For eu type approval, rear lights must be fully visible with the boot lid open (hence the stupid lights on the inside of the insignia touring's boot lid). In order to comply, Toyota fitted a check strap that stops the tailgate from opening fully and obscuring the RH light cluster.
For obvious reasons, manufacturers try to keep such features to a minimum.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
My reply was to earlier posts about cheap astras, but you had the audacity to squeeze in a post before me. How dare you.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
My reply was to earlier posts about cheap astras, but you had the audacity to squeeze in a post before me. How dare you.
Ahh yes, sorry about that thought you were referring to my post. But can see what trouble you've caused! :o ;D
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See here, UK site for a lovely French car.
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/ (http://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/2008/suv/safety/)
Scroll down..... "CORNERING ASSIST FOG LIGHTS"
Perhaps you should contact this French company? Inform them this model is illegal? While you are at it, contact every car maker ::)
To the best of my knowledge peugeot don't make UK law ... and that's what I'm talking about ...
Entwood. Do you honestly believe that several manufacturers VAG, PUG etc would be able to produce cars that are UK type approved but have illegal lights?
Wind your neck in. ::)
IF it were illegal, it would be deleted as a uk option. I suspect that the manufacturers in question *just might* have a more detailed knowledge or the regs than your googling.
Just...
Maybe..
Smart answer .. "wind your neck in" ... shows a great deal of research and understanding , NOT ... :)
Reading the Construction and Use Regulations, along with the Road Vehicle Lighting regulations might actually tell you what UK law is .... but you obviously CBA and know as much as Tunnie .. or think you do ... :)
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/contents/made
Hmmmmmm!!! ???
As does this?
One day you might learn to research and read before spouting crap
To clarify, again, active fog cornering lights are not illegal. They activate under indication when turning into a junction, this only happens at sub 35mph ish, as you slow down to turn. (i.e. won't turn on at 70mph on a motorway) The light will turn off again when your indicator clicks off, this is standard feature on many new cars.
Sadly, Mr Entwood, you chose to pick up on something that you clearly don't have an understanding of in their operation. As they do not stay on constantly, this short bust of light when turning is covered under EU updated law as Jimmy points out.
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
My reply was to earlier posts about cheap astras, but you had the audacity to squeeze in a post before me. How dare you.
Ahh yes, sorry about that thought you were referring to my post. But can see what trouble you've caused! :o ;D
He's from Liverpool. :)
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.....much the same as 'he's from Barcelona'
......no further clarification required. ::) ;)
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Its a grey area due to EU law. Much like HIDs which aren't technically allowed by UK law (no provision for it), but are by EU law.
HOWEVER, if this case, I suspect any such fog light has to properly adjusted, which is not the case for a bog standard fog light, in order to avoid dazzle. Much like the 'tards retrofitting HIDs but not obeying the rules >:(
As it happens, I think using fog lights for illuminating whilst cornering is a bloody stupid idea, as there will always be some tosser who readjusts them for maximum inconvenience. If you can't see adequately around a corner, they you need to fix your lights or slow down, not add gimmicky stupid "look at me" features.
Tunnie - be aware that if a car sees a dealer, and the dealer does a proper job (fortunately, not many do), all such features are reset to how it left the factory *AND* you might find any remaining warranty on the car is void due to such adjustments. I've known of Audi to be particularly shitty over this.
And whilst ranting about lights, how the F did previous generation Pisshats and Golfs get type approval, when you can't see the indicators when they are breaking (I know, I know, VW owners never use indicators. But on the offchance one does). And the ragtop MINI >:(
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Although, most areas I go, the chavs have their front fogs on anyway, coz its wicked innit. Fikking 'tards, and the manufacturers encourage it by not resetting them to off after restarting engine.
Line 'em up for the cull.
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As it happens, I think using fog lights for illuminating whilst cornering is a bloody stupid idea, as there will always be some tosser who readjusts them for maximum inconvenience. If you can't see adequately around a corner, they you need to fix your lights or slow down, not add gimmicky stupid "look at me" features.
Agee with this. Probably the most pointless feature on SWMBO's yeti. Bendy headlights following just behind!
Be interested to see what happens when we leave the EU. Under the great repeal bill proposals, we will keep the supremacy of EU type approval, but not sure if that will last for ever :-\. Be a good job creation alexercise that's for sure, requiring UK type approval.
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I though wifey's captur had a fault when she came round the corner of our road with one foglight on. They're no fickin use anyway, they light up the bit of road you can't see because of the bonnet. ;D
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If its legal under EU law, then its legal in the UK as EU law overrides UK law. This will continue when we leave the EU due to the great repeal act, but the plan is to work through the EU laws over a long period of time and dump the ones we don't want.
This will of course become shambolic, but the plan is a good one. ;D
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All a bit pointless as James has already sourced a car.
Nope, you did not read what I put. You can enable things that were on high spec models. Just disabled on low spec.
Eg. Active fog light cornering, when you indicate with lights on, the fog light comes on. I enabled this on a 2013 A3 low spec.
I've increased comfort lane changing indicators from 3 to 5 clicks, because I felt 5 were better. Shed loads of things can be done, from increasing volume of parking sensor speaker to how long the lights stay on when you unlock the car.
I`ve only been seeing this recently and I just can`t see the point in it, bugger all extra light from front fogs anyway.
i think manufacturers could use technology for better things than gimmicks.
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Personally I've found it useful, doing low speed turn in, it's highlighted the edge of the road better as I'm turning in/out at a T junction. Also at low speed 30mph town work on corners also noticed it lighting up the pavement more, so I like it.
But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
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Agee with this. Probably the most pointless feature on SWMBO's yeti. Bendy headlights following just behind!
My father has steering headlights on his Volvo and I think they are genuinely useful, but probably quite expensive to implement, unlike doing it on the cheap with the foglights - because it's another useless "feature" we can add to the spec list at no cost whatsoever.
Meanwhile, every time you go round a roundabout, people think you're one of those self-abusers who can't be arsed to change a bulb. ::)
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But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
Now now, calm down Tunnie.... ::) :P
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But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
[Michael Winner voice on]Now now, calm down dear Tunnie... It's only an appliance ::)[/Michael. Winner voice off] :P
Comedy is a cruel mistress ;D
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But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
[Michael Winner voice on]Now now, calm down dear Tunnie... It's only an appliance ::)[/Michael. Winner voice off] :P
Comedy is a cruel mistress ;D
Now now Dr G, dear Tunnie might have a sense of humour failure! ;D
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Agee with this. Probably the most pointless feature on SWMBO's yeti. Bendy headlights following just behind!
My father has steering headlights on his Volvo and I think they are genuinely useful, but probably quite expensive to implement, unlike doing it on the cheap with the foglights - because it's another useless "feature" we can add to the spec list at no cost whatsoever.
Meanwhile, every time you go round a roundabout, people think you're one of those self-abusers who can't be arsed to change a bulb. ::)
Dad's old Citroen DS had this, believe back then it was purely mechanical. And is genuinely useful. The Shaguar has, like many modern cars, adaptive headlights, which do a similar job by electronically.
Worryingly, like many modern cars, it also has auto lighting. Like every single implementation, I think its too slow to dip the headlights. Sadly, I can find no way to disable it.
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Personally I've found it useful, doing low speed turn in, it's highlighted the edge of the road better as I'm turning in/out at a T junction. Also at low speed 30mph town work on corners also noticed it lighting up the pavement more, so I like it.
But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
The XJ has cornering lights, but rather than use the fog lights (which it lacks, not even an option, so thumbs up to Jag for being brave enough not to appease the idiots of this world), it uses dedicated cornering lights built into the main headlight unit, like the L322 Range Rover etc. I personally fail to see the point, but at least its done properly, on properly aligned and tested lamp units.
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Same as E Class I had :y
New car only had bumper mounted fogs as part of a, very, expensive AMG 'styling' upgrade.
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Personally I've found it useful, doing low speed turn in, it's highlighted the edge of the road better as I'm turning in/out at a T junction. Also at low speed 30mph town work on corners also noticed it lighting up the pavement more, so I like it.
But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
The XJ has cornering lights, but rather than use the fog lights (which it lacks, not even an option, so thumbs up to Jag for being brave enough not to appease the idiots of this world), it uses dedicated cornering lights built into the main headlight unit, like the L322 Range Rover etc. I personally fail to see the point, but at least its done properly, on properly aligned and tested lamp units.
Probably because Jag decided, when has it in the last few years been foggy enough to use front fogs :-\
I carnt remember the last time I turned on the rear fogs let alone the front fogs .....
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Personally I've found it useful, doing low speed turn in, it's highlighted the edge of the road better as I'm turning in/out at a T junction. Also at low speed 30mph town work on corners also noticed it lighting up the pavement more, so I like it.
But then again any new feature on a cars when discussed here, is instantly "sh!T"..... because it's not on an Omega. ::)
The XJ has cornering lights, but rather than use the fog lights (which it lacks, not even an option, so thumbs up to Jag for being brave enough not to appease the idiots of this world), it uses dedicated cornering lights built into the main headlight unit, like the L322 Range Rover etc. I personally fail to see the point, but at least its done properly, on properly aligned and tested lamp units.
Probably because Jag decided, when has it in the last few years been foggy enough to use front fogs :-\
I carnt remember the last time I turned on the rear fogs let alone the front fogs .....
Last time my rears went on was just before MOT, just to check.
Last time they went on whilst driving? Probably not this millennium.
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Probably because Jag decided, when has it in the last few years been foggy enough to use front fogs :-\
I can't remember the last time I turned on the rear fogs let alone the front fogs .....
I've held a full licence for 29 years, and have averaged at least 30k miles per year. I have enough fingers to count the number of times rear foglights might have been useful if fitted. The only time I used front fog lights was to illuminate the kerb in falling snow.
The over use of either have convinced me that ANY car fitted with fog lights would benefit from a third one, fitted with a 100watt bulb, directly in the driver's eyeline.
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Amazing how different areas have different fog, we are near low lying marsh land, and many days over winter you cannot see 10 meters in front of you, good front and rears feel like a neccessity. We still have the idiots leaving em on the rest of the time too though!
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Yes we regularly get 'Pea Soupers' round here. :)
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Lord opti mode ON.
A 24 year old single llaydee, should be driving around in a convertible, paid for by here sugar daddy------lord
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Yes we regularly get 'Pea Soupers' round here. :)
Yes...we've all seen hound of the Baskervilles ;D
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Yes we regularly get 'Pea Soupers' round here. :)
Yes...we've all seen hound of the Baskervilles ;D
And Tess of the d'Urbervilles ;)