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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: mickyboy123 on 06 September 2014, 17:31:03

Title: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 06 September 2014, 17:31:03
Hi guys an girls.

I have started to notice funny wear on the outside edge of my front tyres ,

i have had a geo setup  done a few months ago and no signs of wheel bearing probs. Had new discs and pads on front. The car has done 84 k. Has any one got any ideas :'(
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: ffcgary1 on 06 September 2014, 19:52:03
Who did your st up on the front, if the setting where from an high st tyre place then the will be in the green on the computer, but thos settings will be useless.
As a forum we suggest taking it to WHEELS IN MOTION in chesham bucks
 but there are some members who do not agree.
This is a well discussed topic so search WIM
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 06 September 2014, 20:22:07
It was fields tyres in hove
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: ffcgary1 on 06 September 2014, 20:26:52
The settings that they have used will not be any use to your car as they will not allow suspension wear and tear.  the original settings that they use are from vx when the car is built new, so after several years and thousands of miles the are useless.
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 September 2014, 21:03:45
What settings did they use? They should of given you a printout with the figures.
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: DrAndyB on 06 September 2014, 21:37:19
It was fields tyres in hove
If your ever up north I can recommend a place that did full geo setup on my mini face lift omega.  Car feels transformed, goes round corners like on rails now and best she has ever been (and I have has her from 6 month old  :y). Puts a smile back on face to drive  :)
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 07 September 2014, 09:59:00
Before measurements.

Fronts.

Left front.                          Right front.

-2.12 camber                   -2.25 camber

 4.43 caster                       4.57 caster
     
. 0.06 toe                           -0.05 toe


0.14 cross camber

-0.14 cross caster

-0.11 total toe.


Rear.


Left rear                                  right rear.

-1.33 camber                         -1.49 camber

0.06 toe                                     0.03 toe

0.09 total toe

0.01 thrust angle.


After to follow
0.06 toe.                                  0.03 toe
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 07 September 2014, 10:12:29
Fronts.

Left front.                                   Right front.

-2.13 camber                             -2.22 camber

4.43 caster                                   4.57 caster

0.05 toe                                        0.05 toe



0.10 total toe

0.00 steer ahead.


Rear.

Left rear.                                      Right rear.
-1.35 camber                              -1.51 camber


0.10 toe                                          0.11 toe

0.21 total toe

-0.01 thrust angle




0.10 toe
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 September 2014, 10:53:30
Fronts.

Left front.                                   Right front.

-2.13 camber                             -2.22 camber

4.43 caster                                   4.57 caster

0.05 toe                                        0.05 toe



0.10 total toe

0.00 steer ahead.


Rear.

Left rear.                                      Right rear.
-1.35 camber                              -1.51 camber


0.10 toe                                          0.11 toe

0.21 total toe

-0.01 thrust angle




0.10 toe

Those should be -1.10
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: ffcgary1 on 07 September 2014, 18:29:53
That will be the reason mate, camber way out. bet it drives strange as well.
ALIGNMENT CENTRES always cock up the camber, or tell you the rears arnt ajustable as well.
(they are)
 wheels in motion chesham bucks google them.As a member on here you get a discounted rate.

pls check that all your other suspension parts are in good order: ie steering idler arm, wishbone bushes, shocks and all springs as these are known to break and you are not aware they have.
Gary
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: TheBoy on 07 September 2014, 18:48:37
The camber settings imply its the inside edge that should be being chewed up, not outside edges?

Either way, the place that did the geo should be added to the list of places to avoid taking an Omega.
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 07 September 2014, 21:04:20
Its all green on sheet ses its within its range. Or dont that make a diffrence it drives fine just feels very light the steering thats all :-*
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: VXL V6 on 07 September 2014, 21:19:38
Its all green on sheet ses its within its range. Or dont that make a diffrence it drives fine just feels very light the steering thats all :-*

In the green just isn't good enough I'm afraid on an Omega. In fact, the GM supplied data for the Omega is far to vague to be of use.
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 September 2014, 22:28:38
Its all green on sheet ses its within its range. Or dont that make a diffrence it drives fine just feels very light the steering thats all :-*

Which edge has the wear? Inside or outside? Post a pic :y
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: ffcgary1 on 07 September 2014, 22:34:45
Mickyboy see my reply #3 as to the settings. :y
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: 05omegav6 on 07 September 2014, 22:41:55
Its all green on sheet ses its within its range. Or dont that make a diffrence it drives fine just feels very light the steering thats all :-*

In the green just isn't good enough I'm afraid on an Omega. In fact, the GM supplied data for the Omega is far to vague to be of use.
You say that, the college introduction for the Omega is pretty specific, as is the Thatcham repair data wrt geometry :y
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 September 2014, 22:55:24
Its all green on sheet ses its within its range. Or dont that make a diffrence it drives fine just feels very light the steering thats all :-*

In the green just isn't good enough I'm afraid on an Omega. In fact, the GM supplied data for the Omega is far to vague to be of use.
You say that, the college introduction for the Omega is pretty specific, as is the Thatcham repair data wrt geometry :y

...I think Al needs a curry. He's in withdrawal or something. Those figures combined are double what they should be. DOUBLE!

And perhaps not surprisingly, Op might be seeing double the edge wear.


....although if it is indeed outside edge wear, we might be looking at an idler issue as well.

Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: 05omegav6 on 07 September 2014, 23:12:55
That's coming upto bush mileage too...

The original settings are quite tight, but tyre places like pretty pictures to baffle punters...

That place has cleary adjusted the toe spot on, with no thought as to what effect those camber/caster settings might have with those toe settings :o there's also little reason why the thrust angle cannot be 0° what like it should be

I should add, when I say college, I meant the Vauxhall college official introduction, rather than Slough Poly ;D
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: dbug on 08 September 2014, 01:48:47
Fronts.

Left front.                                   Right front.

-2.13 camber                             -2.22 camber

4.43 caster                                   4.57 caster

0.05 toe                                        0.05 toe



0.10 total toe

0.00 steer ahead.


Rear.

Left rear.                                      Right rear.
-1.35 camber                              -1.51 camber


0.10 toe                                          0.11 toe

0.21 total toe

-0.01 thrust angle




0.10 toe

Those should be -1.10

There you go - you're the one giving out WIM's data on an open forum :o :o :o  Seem to remember you saying it should be kept "confidential"as WIM had put a lot of effort into getting to these figures  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

I wonder why Wim helped us out online with those settings though dbug? I bet it wasn't so members could trot off to another firm instead.

...and I know they asked for those settings not to be made public as such, although -1.10 is common knowledge to be fair.

Does a rocket have a camber setting though ? :-\     ;D
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: chrisgixer on 08 September 2014, 06:48:54
Fronts.

Left front.                                   Right front.

-2.13 camber                             -2.22 camber

4.43 caster                                   4.57 caster

0.05 toe                                        0.05 toe



0.10 total toe

0.00 steer ahead.


Rear.

Left rear.                                      Right rear.
-1.35 camber                              -1.51 camber


0.10 toe                                          0.11 toe

0.21 total toe

-0.01 thrust angle




0.10 toe

Those should be -1.10

There you go - you're the one giving out WIM's data on an open forum :o :o :o  Seem to remember you saying it should be kept "confidential"as WIM had put a lot of effort into getting to these figures  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

I wonder why Wim helped us out online with those settings though dbug? I bet it wasn't so members could trot off to another firm instead.

...and I know they asked for those settings not to be made public as such, although -1.10 is common knowledge to be fair.

Does a rocket have a camber setting though ? :-\     ;D

Yeah, see. You've highlited the wrong bit there, haven't you! Ya Eejit ;D

Now fixed. ;)
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 08 September 2014, 13:01:26
Hi chris. I cant seem to put pix on here wonder if i emailed them to yo weather you could put them on for me :y
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: mickyboy123 on 08 September 2014, 17:16:29
Any put these pics on here for me :y
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: DrAndyB on 08 September 2014, 17:58:07
It was fields tyres in hove
If your ever up north I can recommend a place that did full geo setup on my mini face lift omega.  Car feels transformed, goes round corners like on rails now and best she has ever been (and I have has her from 6 month old  :y). Puts a smile back on face to drive  :)

Here is the Before and after with mine which I posted a few months ago when Nigel Langs waved their magic spanners over her   :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=123495.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=123495.0)

As I said, my baby is transformed now  :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: front tyres
Post by: chrisgixer on 08 September 2014, 22:36:48
Hi chris. I cant seem to put pix on here wonder if i emailed them to yo weather you could put them on for me :y

Try the guide. If you get stuck pm me and I'll send the address.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=52309.0

(Easy peasy ;) )