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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 September 2019, 12:21:18
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Dominic Cummings. ::)
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We have always had advisers. Alastair Campbell? Mostly they stay in the background.
Problem is now that our media actively looks for and seeks hate figures to vilify or at best show in a poor light. This is sadly the modern face of media reporting. Gone are the days of impartial reporting of news ( stuff that has happened) from a studio.
Now they report what might happen and the possible consequences to whip up the populace especially if it serves the purpose of their masters.
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We have always had advisers. Alastair Campbell? Mostly they stay in the background.
Problem is now that our media actively looks for and seeks hate figures to vilify or at best show in a poor light. This is sadly the modern face of media reporting. Gone are the days of impartial reporting of news ( stuff that has happened) from a studio.
Now they report what might happen and the possible consequences to whip up the populace especially if it serves the purpose of their masters.
'Tis true' bit I think DC has far more unaccountable power than AC. :-\
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Not really. Campbell, a man who is something close to evil, mercilessly bullied everyone connected with politics and the media in a way that Cummings could only dream of, and was responsible for the dodgy dossier which took us into the Iraq war and cost god only knows how many lives.
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Thomas Cromwell was another machiavellian figure from the past who schemed and plotted in the background. :)
Of course he lost his head.... ::)
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The hard left politicians & media hate that an exceptional strategist in Dominic Cummings, who did more to win the EURef for leave than any other person is now Boris' strategist & adviser & has made no wrong steps yet. This week was always going to be a sh*t sandwich week for Brexit, the commons numbers & number of remain MPs ensured that. Boris may have lost the vote, but he will win this war & he can block the Corbyn-Hammond-EU coup bill from getting Royal assent & they are running out of time. Do nothing & the current law says we leave on WTO terms on 31/10. :y
Calling an election which Liebour & the Corbyn remain shower have declined has made them look weak & boosted Boris. Boris ruthlessly purging his party of the trouble making arch-remainers who are consistently undermining & going against their main 2017 manifesto policy & commitment again shows him as an effective leader & in GE mode, making the party much more electable. To show how brutal last night was, the former Tory MPs had their parliament security passes cancelled, so they had to apply for new ones today & will presumably be moving offices. Any one who thinks it wasn't brutal didn't see this morning's Tweet from Hammod's seat official agent & returning officer who said they no longer have a Conservative MP or candidate & will be selecting a new one in due course. Ouch, ;D where his political career is now over with no knighthood or House of Lords peerage ever happening. BTW this brutally effective strategy has Cummings written all over it where I have read the award winning book "All Out War" by Times journalist Tim Shipman on the Leave campaign.
While Liebour, LimpDems et al are busy losing the up & coming GE Boris, Javid & Cummings are already fighting & winning it with latest polling putting Conservatives 35%, Liebour 25%, LimpDems 16%, TBP 13% & Greens 9%, Others 2%.
Once an election is called the Tories need to forge a formal or informal election pact so there is one Leave seat sharing alliance, while the remain vote will be split between Liebour, LimpDems & Greens. The Tories will contest seats where they are strong with Leave candidates & TBP concentrate with a free run in northern Labour seats & Leave strongholds that won't vote Tory but want a Leave party alternative to represent their views. :y
Javid's spending splurge statement today ending austerity & addressing their electoral weaknesses in the 2017 GE to me confirms they are in full win the imminent GE in November after no deal WTO Brexit has happened. They are out of the GE starting blocks while the remain rabble parties fight ineffective Brexit blocking strategies & squabbling amongst themselves. :y
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I don't agree that he did more than any other person to win the referendum. If you read the book The bad boys of Brexit, there is quite a lot in there which suggests he is a strange weird bloke, whose strategy calls were very questionable 9such as the NHS stuff on the side of the bus) and the result may well have been a bigger majority if the official campaign had been run better.
If the official campaign had been given to Farage, Banks, Tice & crew, imo we wouldn't have spent the last three years arguing about 48/ 52 %
Having said that, Im much happier with him trying to get Brexit done, than I ever was when Oliver Robbins was running the show for Treasonous May.
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I think the bus slogan worked really well & has now been officially vindicated where Boris said it was the gross figure in his speeches which we now know with the benefit of hindsight was actually £368m per week. All Boris official No 10 interviews I've seen have the Union Jack & Boris bus as props. ;D Farage immigration poster cost leave votes along with the sad murder of MP Jo Cox otherwise it would have been 55%-45%. I agree he is a bad tempered, oddball but he gets the job done.
My turncoat MP Dr Phillip Lee, who sees himself as a future PM ;D ;D ;D and his GE winning strategy. Swap from being a candidate that got 59% of the vote in 2017, not to Liebour who came second on 30%, but the mighty LimpDems who got a measly 7% with 4186 votes. ;D ;D ;D In the EURef our area polled 53.9% Leave and 46.1% Remain, so we are a Leave area & his remain LimpDems manifesto will soar with all the buoyancy of a lead balloon. ;D ;D ;D
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Boris may have lost the vote, but he will win this war & he can block the Corbyn-Hammond-EU coup bill from getting Royal assent & they are running out of time. Do nothing & the current law says we leave on WTO terms on 31/10. :y
Constitutionally this is the nuclear option and I don't believe he will do it. :-\ On the flip side however, it would set a precedent that the government of the day could strike down legislation introduced by rebel MP's that is contrary to government policy. ;)
If he does it the howls of outrage will be unprecedented! ;D
Javid's spending splurge statement today ending austerity & addressing their electoral weaknesses in the 2017 GE to me confirms they are in full win the imminent GE in November after no deal WTO Brexit has happened. They are out of the GE starting blocks while the remain rabble parties fight ineffective Brexit blocking strategies & squabbling amongst themselves. :y
It's hard to see how the WTO exit on 31st October can happen now and I think that Boris will have to swallow his pride and go to Brussels to beg for another extension. ::) Unless Tory peers can delay the bill with their reported 100 odd amendments so it runs out of time before prorogation, but reports have it that the Lords are preparing to sit over the weekend if necessary. :-\
Oh how they must be laughing at us! ::) >:(
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Boris could obey the law and got to Brussels to ask for an extension. While he is there he could inform them that if they grant the extension he will veto the EU budget. That might concentrate their minds.
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Boris could obey the law and got to Brussels to ask for an extension. While he is there he could inform them that if they grant the extension he will veto the EU budget. That might concentrate their minds.
I thought the single nation veto had been abolished? :-\
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Im not sure tbh. Meanwhile the Tories are threatening to break with tradition and put up a candidate against Bercow in his constituency. Lets hope so. I would love to see that hateful little poison dwarf lose his seat.
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I'm losing the faith, Albs. I want/wanted to leave, but every day the damage to our country gets deeper. My argument is/was a political one, the fact the I abhorred our country being ruled by faceless, unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.........blah, blah.
But there comes a time when you have to suck it up for the greater good, and that time is approaching for me.
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I'm also reading a lot more about the consequences of a no deal, and I've come to realise that, while there's a lot of scaremongering about, there's a lot of truth too.
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IMO quotas are a bigger issue than tariffs on most items, but I think if we join TPP, which we have been invited to do, especially where the US has left, then the boost in trade in Asia will more than make up for any loss in the EU, accepting that the first 18 months post Brexit might be a bit rocky, which is what a director of Deutsche bank is predicting with GDP to USD being back from the current $1.22 to in the $1.30+ range beyond that. :y
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IMO quotas are a bigger issue than tariffs on most items, but I think if we join TPP, which we have been invited to do, especially where the US has left, then the boost in trade in Asia will more than make up for any loss in the EU, accepting that the first 18 months post Brexit might be a bit rocky, which is what a director of Deutsche bank is predicting with GDP to USD being back from the current $1.22 to in the $1.30+ range beyond that. :y
Personally, I always thought it might be as long as 5 years, but would still be better than being tied to the drag of the soft southern EU countries as part of a Federal Europe, and that we would certainly be better off in the long run. We have always been an entrepreneurial trading nation, and coming out will allow us to spread our wings again. It may be too late to take much advantage of our historic connections with the remnants of Empire, but many other opportunities will be available when freed from the shackles of the bureaucracy of the EU. :y
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Emily Thornberry just now on question time. "If we are elected to government I will go to the EU and negotiate the best deal I possibly can to protect jobs, the economy etc etc.
We will then put it to another referendum and I will campaign to remain". So, she will negotiate a deal with the EU, and then campaign against her own deal, Not only that, she has announced it to the EU before she starts negotiating her great deal with them.
Talk about thick.
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And lo & behold, after three and a half years of rhetoric about the backstop lenny Verruca has told Irish business people that if there is a no deal Brexit, there will have to be some checks near, but not on the border. The very thing the UK has asked for and had rejected by Verruca and his pals in Brussels at every opportunity.
Reality is starting to set in at last. Irish business people are panicking, because if trade with the UK breaks down, their economy will crash spectacularly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/northern_ireland
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The PM's brother resigned from his ministerial post yesterday and will stand down at the next election so that he can spend less time with his family. :)
Makes you wonder why he accepted the position in the first place, as he must have known what Boris planned?! :-\ ::)
Still despite only being in the post for about 6 weeks, I'm sure he'll get a nice Golden Goodbye and a carriage clock to soften the blow! ;) ::)
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Emily Thornberry just now on question time. "If we are elected to government I will go to the EU and negotiate the best deal I possibly can to protect jobs, the economy etc etc.
We will then put it to another referendum and I will campaign to remain". So, she will negotiate a deal with the EU, and then campaign against her own deal, Not only that, she has announced it to the EU before she starts negotiating her great deal with them.
Talk about thick.
Yes.......she represents overweight well-spoken totty everywhere. Posh does not mean intelligent.
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......much like a female JRM. :)
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.... Not nearly as thick as Diane Abbott though.
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
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Is the real prime minister..........
Philip Hammond?
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Is the real prime minister..........
Philip Hammond?
Richard 'hamster' Hammond has more chance of becoming PM. ;)
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
Don't agree. JRM is certainly an eccentric oddball and he hasn't done himself any favours in the last few days, but I wouldn't say he holds the electorate in contempt. ::)
After all for the last 3 years he has stood up for the 17.4 million who are having their democratic decision trampled on by the establishment. :)
Compare that with Thornberry who has issued the standard mealy mouthed platitudes about respecting and upholding the result of the referendum, whilst doing anything but! >:( ::)
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
Don't agree. JRM is certainly an eccentric oddball and he hasn't done himself any favours in the last few days, but I wouldn't say he holds the electorate in contempt. ::)
After all for the last 3 years he has stood up for the 17.4 million who are having their democratic decision trampled on by the establishment. :)
Compare that with Thornberry who has issued the standard mealy mouthed platitudes about respecting and upholding the result of the referendum, whilst doing anything but! >:( ::)
Both Bojo and JRM have shown contempt for parliament when the cards don't fall favourably.......and I'm pretty sure they are not fans of the Morris Marina. This alone demonstrates their character is suspect..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
Don't agree. JRM is certainly an eccentric oddball and he hasn't done himself any favours in the last few days, but I wouldn't say he holds the electorate in contempt. ::)
After all for the last 3 years he has stood up for the 17.4 million who are having their democratic decision trampled on by the establishment. :)
Compare that with Thornberry who has issued the standard mealy mouthed platitudes about respecting and upholding the result of the referendum, whilst doing anything but! >:( ::)
Both Bojo and JRM have shown contempt for parliament when the cards don't fall favourably.......and I'm pretty sure they are not fans of the Morris Marina. This alone demonstrates their character is suspect..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Showing contempt for parliament is very different to having contempt for the electorate. ::)
I have nothing but contempt for this parliament, but then some might say that I'm an eccentric oddball too! :)
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
Don't agree. JRM is certainly an eccentric oddball and he hasn't done himself any favours in the last few days, but I wouldn't say he holds the electorate in contempt. ::)
After all for the last 3 years he has stood up for the 17.4 million who are having their democratic decision trampled on by the establishment. :)
Compare that with Thornberry who has issued the standard mealy mouthed platitudes about respecting and upholding the result of the referendum, whilst doing anything but! >:( ::)
Both Bojo and JRM have shown contempt for parliament when the cards don't fall favourably.......and I'm pretty sure they are not fans of the Morris Marina. This alone demonstrates their character is suspect..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Showing contempt for parliament is very different to having contempt for the electorate. ::)
I have nothing but contempt for this parliament, but then some might say that I'm an eccentric oddball too! :)
I'm not eccentric but I have odd balls ;D
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
Don't agree. JRM is certainly an eccentric oddball and he hasn't done himself any favours in the last few days, but I wouldn't say he holds the electorate in contempt. ::)
After all for the last 3 years he has stood up for the 17.4 million who are having their democratic decision trampled on by the establishment. :)
Compare that with Thornberry who has issued the standard mealy mouthed platitudes about respecting and upholding the result of the referendum, whilst doing anything but! >:( ::)
Both Bojo and JRM have shown contempt for parliament when the cards don't fall favourably.......and I'm pretty sure they are not fans of the Morris Marina. This alone demonstrates their character is suspect..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Showing contempt for parliament is very different to having contempt for the electorate. ::)
I have nothing but contempt for this parliament, but then some might say that I'm an eccentric oddball too! :)
I'm not eccentric but I have odd balls ;D
that is information I have no need to know. Much like the 'gristle' in pork pie is mainly 'ballbag' of unspecified origin. :-X
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Emily Thornberry is a good representative of the 'we know better than you' political class who hold the electorate in contempt. >:(
She should never be forgotten for her snobby 'white van man' comment while campaigning on a housing estate during the 2014 Rochester by election. ::)
Again, much like JRM. Both he and Thornberry are from the 'born to rule' class and despite a veneer of civility and politeness have little regard for ordinary people.
Don't agree. JRM is certainly an eccentric oddball and he hasn't done himself any favours in the last few days, but I wouldn't say he holds the electorate in contempt. ::)
After all for the last 3 years he has stood up for the 17.4 million who are having their democratic decision trampled on by the establishment. :)
Compare that with Thornberry who has issued the standard mealy mouthed platitudes about respecting and upholding the result of the referendum, whilst doing anything but! >:( ::)
Both Bojo and JRM have shown contempt for parliament when the cards don't fall favourably.......and I'm pretty sure they are not fans of the Morris Marina. This alone demonstrates their character is suspect..... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Showing contempt for parliament is very different to having contempt for the electorate. ::)
I have nothing but contempt for this parliament, but then some might say that I'm an eccentric oddball too! :)
I'm not eccentric but I have odd balls ;D
that is informationIi have no need to know. Much like the 'gristle' in pork pie is mainly 'ballbag' of unspecified origin. :-X
Well it ain't mine. My odd balls are still firmly in the sac. ;D