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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Darth Loo-knee on 04 April 2008, 15:03:26
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I have phoned the mechanic that Kate took her car too.
He says that water is gushing out from the drivers side block where the head gasket is.......
Now if that is the case, if Captain Zok and me went up to reseal the oil cooler plate that wouldn't make an once of difference...
So what other way around this is there?
If Kate was in the AA or RAC she could get it down here then Mark, Timbuk or anyone else who knows about head gaskets could cast their eye on it.....
What do you all think?
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I replied to your text..... 8-)
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Hmmm, HG....
What year is yours Kate?
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Hmmm, HG....
What year is yours Kate?
Think its 95/96
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Hmmm, HG....
What year is yours Kate?
Think its 95/96
OK, was thinking about MaxV6's one with coolant leaking from HG (1998 model), and possibly one other 1998 model with a possible similar problem.
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Hi,
Depends how carefully you look. Water coming out around oil cooler top plate could easily be mistaken for coming from HG could it not ??
I know that when I had water spewing from the thermostat cover seal I thought it was coming fron oil cooler plate till I got right into it.
Roger
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I have phoned the mechanic that Kate took her car too.
He says that water is gushing out from the drivers side block where the head gasket is.......
Now if that is the case, if Captain Zok and me went up to reseal the oil cooler plate that wouldn't make an once of difference...
So what other way around this is there?
If Kate was in the AA or RAC she could get it down here then Mark, Timbuk or anyone else who knows about head gaskets could cast their eye on it.....
What do you all think?
Okies this probably borders on illegal .. but ..... AA membership does NOT cover the vehicle, it covers the driver... so ... if either CapnZok or You are in AA .... if you get there and decide it is HG not Oil cooler, you could drive it onto the road and call the AA to get it taken "home" - if you have AA Relay - wherever that may be .... :)
If its Oil Cooler, fix it .. if not ... have it taken "home" :)
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I have the top breakdown cover through Churchill which is Green Flag I think.
Maybe I could take some pictures of where the water is coming from?
Thanks for all the help by the way! :y
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Dunno if you've spoken to Daz regarding Mark's suggestion Kate but yes pictures of the leak may well help give a better idea of the problem.
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I will take some pics and put them on. :-*
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(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/katherine.marlow/Picture%20003.jpg)
It's coming from behind the drive belt and over the sump at the front.
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I'll take some more tomorrow. :-*
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By the way, forgot to mention, it's a 1998 model. :y
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I have spoken to the mechanic that Kate took her car too. He said that water was Gushing out from the drivers side block.
Now if we were to go up and do the Oil Cooler Plate like we have been willing to do, and find that the mechanic was right Kate is then had to shell out money for my petrol plus the parts I was picking up.
If though Kate drove down the road then called out the AA or whoever and said she was going to my house or Timbuks, they would take Kate and her car there. If then the head gasket has actually gone we have more hands and knowledge to help to fix the car.
In the mean time if Kate could get some K-Seal from her local car accessories, put it into the reservoir then see if it stops the leak..
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Ok, Kate needs to put some K-Seal in her car.
So if she can get her car to my house next weekend, we will be able to see for sure what is happening be it the head gasket or not.
If the worst comes to the worst and it is the head gasket how much will the bits cost Kate?
Will the heads need skimming?
Also will anyone be available to do the heads at my house?
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I saw a head gasket set on ebay for £49.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAUXHALL-CAVALIER-OMEGA-SAAB-900-2-5-V6-HEAD-GASKET-SET_W0QQitemZ120242109303QQihZ002QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is that worth it?
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Thanks for helping by the way! :y
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Ok, Kate needs to put some K-Seal in her car.
So if she can get her car to my house next weekend, we will be able to see for sure what is happening be it the head gasket or not.
If the worst comes to the worst and it is the head gasket how much will the bits cost Kate?
Will the heads need skimming?
Also will anyone be available to do the heads at my house?
I will give you a hand :y
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Where will I get K-seal from? :-*
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Where will I get K-seal from? :-*
Probably off e-bay, but before you rush out and buy it, I would suggest you ask about the disadvanteges of putting something like that in your rad/engine.
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Where will I get K-seal from? :-*
No - No - No !!!
Any coolant leak "fixing" additive will clog up narrow coolant passages and give you nightmares!
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The actual cause needs to be established before anything is done. Once this is established, the course of action will be constructive.
If you remember from Shifnal, the stat. had been removed by the previous owner, suggesting that overheating has maybe been a problem before. The oil cooler area has been opened up in the past, (evidence the Red Hylomar sealant), so it would be potentially wasteful of everyone's time to make assumptions without proper diagnosis. I would gladly help, Daz, but 10th/14th April is no good for me, I'm afraid.
A further thought. Dependant on how Kate's car could be taken to Stoke, it might be easier to use my address, which is probably halfway to both addresses. I have a good, private, off road area which could be used, and almost all the tools required, and anyone would be welcome if the date was right. I could even offer overnight accommodation for two males and one female if required, or more if you're prepared to rough it.
And Southport's not too bad a place. :)
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.....And Southport's not too bad a place. :)
Has the tide come in yet? ;) ;) :y :y
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Where will I get K-seal from? :-*
No - No - No !!!
Any coolant leak "fixing" additive will clog up narrow coolant passages and give you nightmares!
No option, we need the car in the midlands to do the work!
Forget the gasket kit Kate, we can sort that out as many of the gaskets in the kits are no good.
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Ok, Kate needs to put some K-Seal in her car.
So if she can get her car to my house next weekend, we will be able to see for sure what is happening be it the head gasket or not.
If the worst comes to the worst and it is the head gasket how much will the bits cost Kate?
Will the heads need skimming?
Also will anyone be available to do the heads at my house?
I am yet to see a V6 head that needs skimming.
I also keep some re-furbed V6 heads on the shelf shoucl ti be neccassary to change them.
Bits wise, its dependent on exactly how much you decide to do.
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.....And Southport's not too bad a place. :)
Has the tide come in yet? ;) ;) :y :y
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;) We do see it when we look hard at full moon etc. but I still haven't dared to swim in it.
Perhaps we'll see it more often as the ice caps melt. ::) ::)
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Thanks for all your help and advice and your kind offer Bill. :y
I can make any date really and will try and get the car wherever you want it.
It's very kind of you all. I can't believe how great you all are! :y
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Im also willing to help if i can, as Mark says the car needs to be in the Midlands, its just gonna make things easier all round, if need be i can trailer it for the price of fuel? or as already suggested Greenflag it if poss, your welcome to bring it to my unit or Daz's as suggested, could do with being in easy reach of Mark tbh, yes i am in the process of doing the HG's on my MV6 but it is the first time i have done them and Mark is obviously going to be quicker than i am, one drawback is i am not here next weekend 11/13 but i am here the folowing weekend 18/20. If its got to be done before that then your welcome to use the unit next weekend as keys can be left with someone ;) At least your guaranteed not to get wet. If the following weekend is ok and there are a few peeps willing to help then we can get it done in one go.
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Just let me know where is best to do the car and I will put some k seal in head there (fingers crossed I'll make it)! :y
Or how much would trailering in cost Timbuk?
Thanks Timbuk and everyone! :y
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Hi everyone I've got a question.
When the head gasket fails does this mean that coolant will pour out of the engine really fast?
It does on mine. :-*
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Hi everyone I've got a question.
When the head gasket fails does this mean that coolant will pour out of the engine really fast?
It does on mine. :-*
depends where it failes.... i suspect not. Its rare for the fire rings to go to that extent it gushes out.
I would think its the oil cooler plate.
Are we talking large volumes of water here? could be the HBV / cooler plate.
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Hi everyone I've got a question.
When the head gasket fails does this mean that coolant will pour out of the engine really fast?
It does on mine. :-*
depends where it failes.... i suspect not. Its rare for the fire rings to go to that extent it gushes out.
I would think its the oil cooler plate.
Are we talking large volumes of water here? could be the HBV / cooler plate.
You need to consider the failure possabilities.
If the gasket material beteen the coolant jacket and head edge fils then you could get quite a torrent.
Clearly the fire rings are holding up or it would be running like a sack of shite!
Hence the sudgestion to K seal it, we are only trying to hold some water pressure and not cylidner pressure.
As for bits:
4 dowty washers for coolant bridge
cam cover gasket
head gasket
exhaust manifold gasket
Manifold to front pipe gasket
To save a bit I have some head bolts (new) and we can re-use the cam seals. I also have all the required sealents.
What we need to consider is are we doing both sides or just one!
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Hi everyone I've got a question.
When the head gasket fails does this mean that coolant will pour out of the engine really fast?
It does on mine. :-*
depends where it failes.... i suspect not. Its rare for the fire rings to go to that extent it gushes out.
I would think its the oil cooler plate.
Are we talking large volumes of water here? could be the HBV / cooler plate.
You need to consider the failure possabilities.
If the gasket material beteen the coolant jacket and head edge fils then you could get quite a torrent.
Clearly the fire rings are holding up or it would be running like a sack of naffe!
Hence the sudgestion to K seal it, we are only trying to hold some water pressure and not cylidner pressure.
As for bits:
4 dowty washers for coolant bridge
cam cover gasket
head gasket
exhaust manifold gasket
Manifold to front pipe gasket
To save a bit I have some head bolts (new) and we can re-use the cam seals. I also have all the required sealents.
What we need to consider is are we doing both sides or just one!
From last nights picture, do you think the cooler plate may need doing at the same time?
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The coolant gushes out so fast it runs down the street! :o
The engine has lots of power and drives great.
Haven't noticed any smoke.
There was no oil in the coolant but there was a bad oil leak.
The leak seemed to start all of a sudden if that makes any difference?
Where would I get those parts from?
Thanks! :y
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By the way, this might sound like a stupid question, are there 2 head gaskets?
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By the way, this might sound like a stupid question, are there 2 head gaskets?
Yep.
If you have Green Flag recovery, I would set off and get as far as possible before the temp gauge gets to the red and call them and ask them to take trailer you to Shifnal, at least it will be free ;)
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Hopefully, I'll make it all the way! :y
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Hopefully, I'll make it all the way! :y
Given the rate at which you say it's leaking I'd be VERY cautious .. :(
You MUST keep a VERY careful eye on the temperature guage and stop as soon as it starts to climb, or you risk much more damage.
Once you stop DO NOT just open the header tank to top up, this will drop the pressure rapidly causing the water to boil. This is DANGEROUS to YOU, and can cause more damage. Wait at least 30 minutes for the thing to cool down before topping up.
Do NOT use motorways as it is difficult/dangerous to stop and top up water on the hard shoulder.
Obviously you will have to carry quite a lot of spare water, make sure you have florescent jacket as well to wear whilst outside the car.
Allow LOTS of time and take a good book to read while things cool down. Ensure your mobile is fully charged and handy.
I would advise against travelling alone.
Sorry to be such a "wet blanket" .. but your safety must be a concern. You are driving a "problem" car .. please don't make the problems worse by not preparing for the journey.
I go with the drive a short distance - call Green Flag option ... :)
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Entwood you are totally right about being careful. :y
To be honest my partner has given me nothing but earache about this.
Maybe I should scrap the car and save everyone the bother?
I really like being an oofer and enjoy watching (and trying to help) my mig get fixed but I just seem to get an ear bashing everyday. :-X
No matter what I would definitely get another mig cos you guys are great! :y
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I don't mean to put you off having the car fixed ... not in any way ... I just don't want anything daft to happen on the way to getting the fix !!
The Green Flag option if available is the easiest, next would be a trailer move, after that the long slow drive.
The fix is probably not difficult ( I don't subscribe to the HG failure -if the car runs OK its probably not a HG) - but its just amatter of logistics...
Once sorted you'll have a car to enjoy and be proud of :)
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Hi everyone I've got a question.
When the head gasket fails does this mean that coolant will pour out of the engine really fast?
It does on mine. :-*
depends where it failes.... i suspect not. Its rare for the fire rings to go to that extent it gushes out.
I would think its the oil cooler plate.
Are we talking large volumes of water here? could be the HBV / cooler plate.
You need to consider the failure possabilities.
If the gasket material beteen the coolant jacket and head edge fils then you could get quite a torrent.
Clearly the fire rings are holding up or it would be running like a sack of naffe!
Hence the sudgestion to K seal it, we are only trying to hold some water pressure and not cylidner pressure.
As for bits:
4 dowty washers for coolant bridge
cam cover gasket
head gasket
exhaust manifold gasket
Manifold to front pipe gasket
To save a bit I have some head bolts (new) and we can re-use the cam seals. I also have all the required sealents.
What we need to consider is are we doing both sides or just one!
From last nights picture, do you think the cooler plate may need doing at the same time?
I always re-seal the coolers any way when doing heads as its so easy to do!
Where are the pics?
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I don't mean to put you off having the car fixed ... not in any way ... I just don't want anything daft to happen on the way to getting the fix !!
The Green Flag option if available is the easiest, next would be a trailer move, after that the long slow drive.
The fix is probably not difficult ( I don't subscribe to the HG failure -if the car runs OK its probably not a HG) - but its just amatter of logistics...
Once sorted you'll have a car to enjoy and be proud of :)
There are many ways a headgasket can fail, it does not have to involve the fire rings!
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I'll put some more pics on today.
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Went to take some more pics and the bonnet is jammed.
I'm going to get rid of it as it's not worth the hassle. :'(
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Entwood you are totally right about being careful. :y
To be honest my partner has given me nothing but earache about this.
Maybe I should scrap the car and save everyone the bother?
I really like being an oofer and enjoy watching (and trying to help) my mig get fixed but I just seem to get an ear bashing everyday. :-X
No matter what I would definitely get another mig cos you guys are great! :y
Tell me about it, my wife never stops ::)
Get your partner to push down on the front of the bonnet while you pull the lever ;)
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I asked and got shouted at! :-X
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Hi everyone I've got a question.
When the head gasket fails does this mean that coolant will pour out of the engine really fast?
It does on mine. :-*
depends where it failes.... i suspect not. Its rare for the fire rings to go to that extent it gushes out.
I would think its the oil cooler plate.
Are we talking large volumes of water here? could be the HBV / cooler plate.
You need to consider the failure possabilities.
If the gasket material beteen the coolant jacket and head edge fils then you could get quite a torrent.
Clearly the fire rings are holding up or it would be running like a sack of naffe!
Hence the sudgestion to K seal it, we are only trying to hold some water pressure and not cylidner pressure.
As for bits:
4 dowty washers for coolant bridge
cam cover gasket
head gasket
exhaust manifold gasket
Manifold to front pipe gasket
To save a bit I have some head bolts (new) and we can re-use the cam seals. I also have all the required sealents.
What we need to consider is are we doing both sides or just one!
From last nights picture, do you think the cooler plate may need doing at the same time?
I always re-seal the coolers any way when doing heads as its so easy to do!
Where are the pics?
First page of this thread.
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I put my mig on for sale/wanted for a part exchange if anyone is interested?
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/katherine.marlow/omega.jpg)
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I put my mig on for sale/wanted for a part exchange if anyone is interested?
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/katherine.marlow/omega.jpg)
I'm not sure my MV6 is in any better state ;D
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Get your partner to push down on the front of the bonnet while you pull the lever ;)
Then, once open, adjust the cable (adjustment is near passenger headlight)
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I put my mig on for sale/wanted for a part exchange if anyone is interested?
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/katherine.marlow/omega.jpg)
Thats a shame .. selling a car with problems will always mean you get very little, as everyone will assume its the worst possible problem :(
Good luck anyway ...
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I don't mean to put you off having the car fixed ... not in any way ... I just don't want anything daft to happen on the way to getting the fix !!
The Green Flag option if available is the easiest, next would be a trailer move, after that the long slow drive.
The fix is probably not difficult ( I don't subscribe to the HG failure -if the car runs OK its probably not a HG) - but its just amatter of logistics...
Once sorted you'll have a car to enjoy and be proud of :)
There are many ways a headgasket can fail, it does not have to involve the fire rings!
I agree entirely, however, you guys did the thermostat at Shifnal and found evidence of bodged oil cooler work before.
1. I reckon you would have seen signs of HG problems, and reacted accordingly
2. The coincidence of the HG going after a thermostat change is too extreme, and to go and only leak coolant takes that a step too far for me ...
3. The chance of the "bodge" being disturbed by the thermostat change and now leaking is far more realistic IMHO
I'm probably wrong .. but my money's on the oil cooler !!! :)
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I asked and got shouted at! :-X
Get rid of your partner, not the mig :o
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I asked and got shouted at! :-X
Get rid of your partner, not the mig :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am so sorry your thinking of getting rid of your car Kate :(
But like already suggested if you can get your car here or Timbuks there are is about half a dozen who are willing to help you....
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Thanks very much Daz but my partner won't let me drive it down with it being knackered.
I really appreciate your help! :y
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Does anyone have a car transporter/trailer,failing that i will possibly be hiring one towards end of week,2 cars to get rid of,could always arrange something...Wayne
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Thanks Wayne! :y
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look in gen chat kate trying to get something sorted for you !! :-*
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Just picked up on this.
The Green Flag idea, does the car not have to be a certain distance from home before they will take to an alternative address?
Neds a transporter, there are companies that will transport it for about £1.00 per mile one way. By the time you hire / borrow a trailer and then hire / borrow a tow vehicle it would be just as cheap.
Is the car auto or manual? I have a reason for asking and it is not because I want to buy the car!!!!!
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Kate,
Just ignore your bloke he dont know what the break hes talkin about.
mine is the same until its fixed or i have completed a job then i cant get him out from behind the wheel!
>:(
KEEP YOUR CAR................. because you are not going to get this much support from anywhere else for any other type of car.
Just think how you will feel when you find out what the fault is. i know its duanting now but it will all work out you ll see :y
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Where will I get K-seal from? :-*
Kalimex Ltd (01273891162) do a google for thier web site
email enquiries@kalimex.co.uk (they are very good on delivery)
And yes trust me it does work despite what some say, my car sold as HG gone requiring a very large can of water to drive, 15 months later still waiting for it to happen. Good flushing first in with just half the bottle, see what happens not that expensive so worth a punt.
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Kate,
Just ignore your bloke he dont know what the break hes talkin about.
mine is the same until its fixed or i have completed a job then i cant get him out from behind the wheel!
>:(
KEEP YOUR CAR................. because you are not going to get this much support from anywhere else for any other type of car.
Just think how you will feel when you find out what the fault is. i know its duanting now but it will all work out you ll see :y
Thanks Marie!
Problem is I've got a supernag on my hands, a supernag thats on a level you've never seen before. Honestly, you don't know what I'm dealing with! :P
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Really! It would shock all you guys!!!
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Guy's don't nag .... we just put our point of view across in a firm, but polite, manner... :)
(well thats the idea anyway ) :)
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Kate,
Just ignore your bloke he dont know what the break hes talkin about.
mine is the same until its fixed or i have completed a job then i cant get him out from behind the wheel!
>:(
KEEP YOUR CAR................. because you are not going to get this much support from anywhere else for any other type of car.
Just think how you will feel when you find out what the fault is. i know its duanting now but it will all work out you ll see :y
Thanks Marie!
Problem is I've got a supernag on my hands, a supernag thats on a level you've never seen before. Honestly, you don't know what I'm dealing with! :P
Give him a slap, he sounds like he needs it ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Guy's don't nag .... we just put our point of view across in a firm, but polite, manner... :)
(well thats the idea anyway ) :)
I totally agree entwood but you are defending for nothing if you know what I mean! ;D ;D
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He is six foot 10 and weighs 400 pounds! He is very strict! :o
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He is six foot 10 and weighs 400 pounds! He is very strict! :o
and I'll bet his nickname's "Tiny"
and I think he is a really nice person, a warm and wonderful human being, and if I ever meet him ... I'll probably run a mile .. !!! :)
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He got of prison last week for gbh!
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He got of prison last week for gbh!
Then I'll run 3 miles ( which would probably kill me anyway !! )
;D ;D ;D ;D
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He is currently on holiday in Devizes, Wiltshire!
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He absolutely hates migs!
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He is currently on holiday in Devizes, Wilshire!
Nah .. NO-ONE holidays in Devizes ...... :)
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Yes and hates silver migs especially!
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His mum got hit by a silver mig!
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Blooming Makum, think you are puling someones leg.
regards
Takum
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No its serious he's going to bishop middleham next! He hates durhamers!
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Is there any thing or any one he actually likes
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By 'hit by a silver mig' I mean she became a fan and drives a silver MV6! :y
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Methinks Kate's troubles are getting to her .. she's turning into a "Bunny Boiler" .. :)
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Is there any thing or any one he actually likes
He likes nothing especially people from yorkshire! :o
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I have some rabbit pie ready for the Lakes meet! ;D
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back to serious for 30 seconds ... Kate .. read the other thread .. you may have a solution .. :)
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I think I've got head gasket syndrome! :P
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Sorry! All the above comments are for a laugh by the way. No offence intended! If you'd seen my partner you'd realise why they were so daft!
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No its serious he's going to bishop middleham next! He hates durhamers!
A makum, he will never find it.
Anyway I am a Takum, just happen to be living here, along with Makum swmbo and her makum kids who have got my durham 7 yr old girl interested in a pretty naff football team. ;D ;D ;D
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No its serious he's going to bishop middleham next! He hates durhamers!
A makum, he will never find it.
Anyway I am a Takum, just happen to be living here, along with Makum swmbo and her makum kids who have got my durham 7 yr old girl interested in a pretty naff football team. ;D ;D ;D
He knows you all very well!
Sorry I can't stop myself! ;D
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He hate's Takums! :o
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Kate,
Just ignore your bloke he dont know what the break hes talkin about.
mine is the same until its fixed or i have completed a job then i cant get him out from behind the wheel!
>:(
KEEP YOUR CAR................. because you are not going to get this much support from anywhere else for any other type of car.
Just think how you will feel when you find out what the fault is. i know its duanting now but it will all work out you ll see :y
Thanks Marie!
Problem is I've got a supernag on my hands, a supernag thats on a level you've never seen before. Honestly, you don't know what I'm dealing with! :P
Just tell him to Piss off and leave you to sort the car out.
All he is doing now is addin extra stress!
i know what your dealin with i see it all to often with my job and my hubby.
He was given me serious jip yesterday cos he didnt understand the lpg conversion and the time it takes to complete and he wanted the car!
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Yes you're right Marie!
I'm determined to get it fixed.! ;)
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He is six foot 10 and weighs 400 pounds! He is very strict! :o
lol
that cracks me up. because I'm 3 foot 2 and I'll jump up and bite his baws off ;D