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[Sir Tigger KC]

We've had a few jokes about the Covid vaccines containing a 'Bill Gates nano chip', but it seems that it might be nearer to the truth than we think! 

America's DARPA have been working on an implant that constantly monitors the blood and will tell you if you are developing Covid before you develop symptoms.  "It's like a 'Check Engine' light" they say. 

So maybe we will be chipped like dogs after all. 

More details here!

[Varche]

Being serious for a minute. The future of medicine surely is that type of gear. Already you can get fitbits and oxygen monitors. It is only a small step to the devices being provided by national health service and reporting back to base if there is an issue . Then you would get beeped with an appointment to have further tests etc.

[STEMO]

I was reading last week about an endoscopy pill. You swallow a small 'sub' with a camera in it and get kitted out with the equipment that picks up it's transmissions. During the night it passes down through your oesophagus to your stomach, recording all the while, then through your intestines and out.
Next day you go back and the images are downloaded.

[Viral_Jim]

I'm with Varche on this. You only have to look at the number of diseases that are easily treatable if caught early and easily fatal if not. Prostate and bowel cancer spring to mind here. That's before you think about lifestyle diseases like Type 2 diabetes.

Many of these can be detected with a blood test, so having something constantly monitoring your bloods is a logical step. I have a mate who's diabetic and he has a little chip thing on his upper arm that monitors his blood sugar 24/7 and pings his phone with the results. No more poking the finger and using test strips.

[Shackeng]

I was reading last week about an endoscopy pill. You swallow a small 'sub' with a camera in it and get kitted out with the equipment that picks up it's transmissions. During the night it passes down through your oesophagus to your stomach, recording all the while, then through your intestines and out.
Next day you go back and the images are downloaded.

 There is apparently a 3 hour utube clip of this to watch!🙈

[Viral_Jim]

Sounds delightful

[Andy B]

I was reading last week about an endoscopy pill. You swallow a small 'sub' with a camera in it and get kitted out with the equipment that picks up it's transmissions. During the night it passes down through your oesophagus to your stomach, recording all the while, then through your intestines and out.
Next day you go back and the images are downloaded.

Sounds like a Victorian Antimony Pill 

[Mr Skrunts]

Years ago babies were being abducted from maternity wards so they started putting security on these wards, but there was talk of having babies chipped at birth.

Image if the gov got its way, we would all have health and GPS monitors in us.

Then they could track health issues and deal with them, they would know where to send an ambulance if you had an accident  and they would process more speeding fines

[Doctor Gollum]

You lot spend way too much time on Faceachebook 

[Mr Skrunts]

You lot spend way too much time on Faceachebook 

The baby thing was before facebook and I wouldnt put anything out of reach for future governments.

[dave the builder]

We've had a few jokes about the Covid vaccines containing a 'Bill Gates nano chip', but it seems that it might be nearer to the truth than we think! 

If it is a Bill Gates nano chip then it's going to need service pack 1 and about 30 updates by now 

one of the latest windows 10 updates stops windows updating and you have to manually update it ,another stops microsoft updates from being installed 

[YZ250]

I was reading last week about an endoscopy pill. You swallow a small 'sub' with a camera in it and get kitted out with the equipment that picks up it's transmissions. During the night it passes down through your oesophagus to your stomach, recording all the while, then through your intestines and out.
Next day you go back and the images are downloaded.

With my dodgy guts they'd get the speeded up version.   
08:55  Swallow camera capsule
09:00  Eat full English Breakfast
09:10  Sit on toilet

They could be viewing the results by 09:20.    If I coated the camera capsule with Piri Piri it would burn on the way out so I'd know which bit to catch. 

[STEMO]

I was reading last week about an endoscopy pill. You swallow a small 'sub' with a camera in it and get kitted out with the equipment that picks up it's transmissions. During the night it passes down through your oesophagus to your stomach, recording all the while, then through your intestines and out.
Next day you go back and the images are downloaded.

With my dodgy guts they'd get the speeded up version.   
08:55  Swallow camera capsule
09:00  Eat full English Breakfast
09:10  Sit on toilet

They could be viewing the results by 09:20.    If I coated the camera capsule with Piri Piri it would burn on the way out so I'd know which bit to catch. 

You're being very silly. Obviously the little man driving it would see what was happening and give it some reverse thrust. 

[TheBoy]

We've had a few jokes about the Covid vaccines containing a 'Bill Gates nano chip', but it seems that it might be nearer to the truth than we think! 

If it is a Bill Gates nano chip then it's going to need service pack 1 and about 30 updates by now 

one of the latest windows 10 updates stops windows updating and you have to manually update it ,another stops microsoft updates from being installed 

//TB has to think back when MS last did Service Packs, and can't remember if there were any last decade.  Win7/W2K8R2 might have sneaked one very early last decade


I think for the most part, MS do a good job of updates.  Its an infinately open architecture they have to support, and its rare they cock up.  Unlike Apple, for example, who own the hardware and OS and still make everything buggy and unstable as possible.  Trouble is, without Gates, they are just like Apple without Jobs, directionless, stale, dull.

[STEMO]

Very loose connection to the thread, but........I just glanced at my gaypad sitting on the arm of the sofa with the sun shining on it. The screen was a mass of fingerprints and streaks but, when I picked it up and switched the screen on, the display was perfect.
I remember when touch screens first came out, and you were constantly cleaning them or it was like looking through a fog.

[TheBoy]

Very loose connection to the thread, but........I just glanced at my gaypad sitting on the arm of the sofa with the sun shining on it. The screen was a mass of fingerprints and streaks but, when I picked it up and switched the screen on, the display was perfect.
I remember when touch screens first came out, and you were constantly cleaning them or it was like looking through a fog.

The gaypads do have excellent screens .  I often have to use mine in sunshine and, although a pain, still usable.

[TheBoy]

Oh, but if using in sunshine, cleaning the screen does help a LOT

[STEMO]

In the wife's astra, she has actually worn away the touch screen in places. When it's switched off there is a symmetrical pattern of 'blobs', obviously where the icons are. They won't come off.

[TheBoy]

In the wife's astra, she has actually worn away the touch screen in places. When it's switched off there is a symmetrical pattern of 'blobs', obviously where the icons are. They won't come off.

I wonder if its a similar effect to those soft touch buttons that sometimes get a sticky coating from fingers, thats a pain to remove?

[STEMO]

In the wife's astra, she has actually worn away the touch screen in places. When it's switched off there is a symmetrical pattern of 'blobs', obviously where the icons are. They won't come off.

I wonder if its a similar effect to those soft touch buttons that sometimes get a sticky coating from fingers, thats a pain to remove?

Shouldn't be, it's a proper touch screen, albeit probably a cheaper one than in a premium marque.

[dave the builder]

We've had a few jokes about the Covid vaccines containing a 'Bill Gates nano chip', but it seems that it might be nearer to the truth than we think! 

If it is a Bill Gates nano chip then it's going to need service pack 1 and about 30 updates by now 

one of the latest windows 10 updates stops windows updating and you have to manually update it ,another stops microsoft updates from being installed 

//TB has to think back when MS last did Service Packs, and can't remember if there were any last decade.  Win7/W2K8R2 might have sneaked one very early last decade


I think for the most part, MS do a good job of updates.  Its an infinately open architecture they have to support, and its rare they cock up.  Unlike Apple, for example, who own the hardware and OS and still make everything buggy and unstable as possible.  Trouble is, without Gates, they are just like Apple without Jobs, directionless, stale, dull.

I agree, windows is great , I was having a bit of a rant after spending a few days doing hardware upgrades and software updates to family PCs and built one for me to replace my now ageing core 2 duo with 32 bit win 10 (god knows why it wouldn't let me install 64 bit that was on it before my harddrive shat it's pot full )

never been a fan of apple products ,
I like the modular, any supplier for a part ,plenty of software choices that is a pc base unit with windows 

[Nick W]

In the wife's astra, she has actually worn away the touch screen in places. When it's switched off there is a symmetrical pattern of 'blobs', obviously where the icons are. They won't come off.

I wonder if its a similar effect to those soft touch buttons that sometimes get a sticky coating from fingers, thats a pain to remove?

Shouldn't be, it's a proper touch screen, albeit probably a cheaper one than in a premium marque.

Plastic or glass screen?

[Doctor Gollum]

Probably plastic if it's wearing

[STEMO]

In the wife's astra, she has actually worn away the touch screen in places. When it's switched off there is a symmetrical pattern of 'blobs', obviously where the icons are. They won't come off.

I wonder if its a similar effect to those soft touch buttons that sometimes get a sticky coating from fingers, thats a pain to remove?

Shouldn't be, it's a proper touch screen, albeit probably a cheaper one than in a premium marque.

Plastic or glass screen?

No idea, feels 'softer' than my iPad.

[TheBoy]

ageing core 2 duo with 32 bit win 10 (god knows why it wouldn't let me install 64 bit that was on it before my harddrive shat it's pot full )

I'd need to double check, but think 64bit Win10 needs EFI, which is unlikely to be fully implemented enough on a Core 2 era machine...   ...at best you may have a partial/incomplete EFI implementation. though more likely to just have a legacy BIOS boot/

[TheBoy]

In the wife's astra, she has actually worn away the touch screen in places. When it's switched off there is a symmetrical pattern of 'blobs', obviously where the icons are. They won't come off.

I wonder if its a similar effect to those soft touch buttons that sometimes get a sticky coating from fingers, thats a pain to remove?

Shouldn't be, it's a proper touch screen, albeit probably a cheaper one than in a premium marque.

Plastic or glass screen?

No idea, feels 'softer' than my iPad.

iPad is gorilla glass.  Car will more likely be a plastic derived "glass", so may be getting lots of microscopic scratches from fingers.

[dave the builder]

ageing core 2 duo with 32 bit win 10 (god knows why it wouldn't let me install 64 bit that was on it before my harddrive shat it's pot full )

I'd need to double check, but think 64bit Win10 needs EFI, which is unlikely to be fully implemented enough on a Core 2 era machine...   ...at best you may have a partial/incomplete EFI implementation. though more likely to just have a legacy BIOS boot/

I'm pretty sure it don't have EFI ,none of my computers have Electronic Fuel Injection   
I put it down to the newer 20H2 windows 10 not supporting the E7400 in x64 at the time ,
though I openly admit not doing a bios update ever on this PC ( Board: Intel Corporation DQ965GF AAD41676-601 )
might try a fressh install of 64 bit latest windows 10 and bios update after I swap over .

I've built a Gigabyte AMD FX machine now ,16 GB DDR3-12800 Crucial Ballistix ram ,GIGABYTE (GP-GSTFS31240GNTD) 240GB SSD ,600 wat PSU ,1TB back up drive, latest genuine windows 10 pro .

Again old tech by todays standards but computer bits are expensive right now  and i don't do gaming, video rendering or anything that requires taking out a mortgage to buy a graphics card or DDR4 bits 

I'm still using the E7400 PC though until i CBA to transfer all the files, web links, accounts etc 
As you can probably guess from this post , I'm no computer guru 

[TheBoy]

Pretty certain Intel didn't include even basic EFI (Intel tend to call it UEFI) on 900 series boards.  I think by around Series 4 boards they started putting on an incomplete EFI.

So if Win10 x64 does need EFI, then you're phishing in a phorce 10.

[TheBoy]

That said, I think Server 2016 will boot from BIOS, so maybe it does need EFI.

[dave the builder]

Pretty certain Intel didn't include even basic EFI (Intel tend to call it UEFI) on 900 series boards.  I think by around Series 4 boards they started putting on an incomplete EFI.

So if Win10 x64 does need EFI, then you're phishing in a phorce 10.

Thanks for the info 
I bow to your vastly superior knowledge and will sling the guts of said PC in the gold recovery PCB pile
when i've got my arse in gear and migrated to the newer pc build 

[TheBoy]

Pretty certain Intel didn't include even basic EFI (Intel tend to call it UEFI) on 900 series boards.  I think by around Series 4 boards they started putting on an incomplete EFI.

So if Win10 x64 does need EFI, then you're phishing in a phorce 10.

Thanks for the info 
I bow to your vastly superior knowledge and will sling the guts of said PC in the gold recovery PCB pile
when i've got my arse in gear and migrated to the newer pc build 

Who needs x64.  32bit is fine.  A motherboard from that era probably tops out around 4Gb anyway, so absolutely no point going 64bit (64bit data structures are much bigger, so the OS and applications need more RAM to use 64bit. Also, although 64bit processing is slightly quicker, most processes still remain 32bit, and have to pass through a translation layer, meaning no noticable performance gains on a desktop OS).

So it will carry on nicely as a 32bit Win10 for a bit longer.  I'd even say its worth splashing £30 on a 240Gb SSD as a boot drive...   ...that'll boost its Windows performance better than 64bit.

[dave the builder]

Pretty certain Intel didn't include even basic EFI (Intel tend to call it UEFI) on 900 series boards.  I think by around Series 4 boards they started putting on an incomplete EFI.

So if Win10 x64 does need EFI, then you're phishing in a phorce 10.

Thanks for the info 
I bow to your vastly superior knowledge and will sling the guts of said PC in the gold recovery PCB pile
when i've got my arse in gear and migrated to the newer pc build 

Who needs x64.  32bit is fine.  A motherboard from that era probably tops out around 4Gb anyway, so absolutely no point going 64bit (64bit data structures are much bigger, so the OS and applications need more RAM to use 64bit. Also, although 64bit processing is slightly quicker, most processes still remain 32bit, and have to pass through a translation layer, meaning no noticable performance gains on a desktop OS).

So it will carry on nicely as a 32bit Win10 for a bit longer.  I'd even say its worth splashing £30 on a 240Gb SSD as a boot drive...   ...that'll boost its Windows performance better than 64bit.

The board has 4 DIMM slots and will take 4x 2GB DDR2-800 ,which I have ,but with W10 32 bit that gets limited to 3.5GB 
an SSD would be  a good idea but not worth the £30 out lay on this PC

I do have several newer, with UEFI ,DDR2, LGA775 boards knocking about that i could have built (and probably should have  )  RATHER than the AMD AM3+ i just built 


new PC boots super fast with the SSD ,well worth fitting to an older PC or laptop

[Kevin Wood]

Who needs x64.  32bit is fine.  ...

Agreed, but it's getting to the point where more and more application software is only being built for x64.

A more sensible approach might have been for Windows to open up the physical address space to 64 bit to remove the 4GB limit but to keep 32 bit process address spaces for efficiency.

I've run my Linux machines like this for years but went x64 in the end due to a couple of bits of software where the developers CBA to support 32 bit.

[TheBoy]

Who needs x64.  32bit is fine.  ...

Agreed, but it's getting to the point where more and more application software is only being built for x64.

A more sensible approach might have been for Windows to open up the physical address space to 64 bit to remove the 4GB limit but to keep 32 bit process address spaces for efficiency.

I've run my Linux machines like this for years but went x64 in the end due to a couple of bits of software where the developers CBA to support 32 bit.

Windows Server, back when it was available in 32bit, got round the limit using PAE.  But PAE is a bodge, and the only effeicent way to see beyond what a 32bit adress space provides is to go native 64 bit on the CPU.  Everything else needs page swapping or PAE.  Urgh.


Though why the hell we need more than 4GB RAM is an alien concept to me.  I'm sure Mr Gates once said that 640k was more than enough for anyone.  Mind you, that was before he inflicted Windows on the world.

[dave the builder]

Windows 10 is really bloated with APPS that most people will never use
I got a video on youtube to watch about trimming it up to windows 10 light 

[Kevin Wood]

Who needs x64.  32bit is fine.  ...

Agreed, but it's getting to the point where more and more application software is only being built for x64.

A more sensible approach might have been for Windows to open up the physical address space to 64 bit to remove the 4GB limit but to keep 32 bit process address spaces for efficiency.

I've run my Linux machines like this for years but went x64 in the end due to a couple of bits of software where the developers CBA to support 32 bit.

Windows Server, back when it was available in 32bit, got round the limit using PAE.  But PAE is a bodge, and the only effeicent way to see beyond what a 32bit adress space provides is to go native 64 bit on the CPU.  Everything else needs page swapping or PAE.  Urgh.


Though why the hell we need more than 4GB RAM is an alien concept to me.  I'm sure Mr Gates once said that 640k was more than enough for anyone.  Mind you, that was before he inflicted Windows on the world.

Oh, I definitely need more than 4GB.

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio open, a couple of Eclipse and all the Java sh1te that comes with it, sometimes IAR as well, a couple of other VMs, along with all the usual office tosser stuff and, these days, teams, etc. So most of it probably goes in Mr. Gates' bloat, which is ironic..

[TheBoy]

Windows 10 is really bloated with APPS that most people will never use
I got a video on youtube to watch about trimming it up to windows 10 light 

Yes, MS have lost the plot a bit lately.  Nowhere near as much as Apple have, mind.

[TheBoy]

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio

I believe that is on the verge of going 64bit.  Better late than never, as that could really use the extra memory space.

[Kevin Wood]

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio

I believe that is on the verge of going 64bit.  Better late than never, as that could really use the extra memory space.

.. and no doubt it will use the extra memory space as soon as it does.

[TheBoy]

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio

I believe that is on the verge of going 64bit.  Better late than never, as that could really use the extra memory space.

.. and no doubt it will use the extra memory space as soon as it does.

I wonder if MS have forewarned Intel/AMD that we will soon need x128 to cope with all these 64bit apps

[Kevin Wood]

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio

I believe that is on the verge of going 64bit.  Better late than never, as that could really use the extra memory space.

.. and no doubt it will use the extra memory space as soon as it does.

I wonder if MS have forewarned Intel/AMD that we will soon need x128 to cope with all these 64bit apps

Mad, isn't it?.. and I was trying to shoe-horn an extra boot loader into a machine with 16k of RAM earlier.

[TheBoy]

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio

I believe that is on the verge of going 64bit.  Better late than never, as that could really use the extra memory space.

.. and no doubt it will use the extra memory space as soon as it does.

I wonder if MS have forewarned Intel/AMD that we will soon need x128 to cope with all these 64bit apps

Mad, isn't it?.. and I was trying to shoe-horn an extra boot loader into a machine with 16k of RAM earlier.

Psion got a whole flight simulator, including the memory mapped screen, into 16k on the ZX81

[dave the builder]

My machine spends the day with about 3 instances of Visual Studio

I believe that is on the verge of going 64bit.  Better late than never, as that could really use the extra memory space.

.. and no doubt it will use the extra memory space as soon as it does.

I wonder if MS have forewarned Intel/AMD that we will soon need x128 to cope with all these 64bit apps

Mad, isn't it?.. and I was trying to shoe-horn an extra boot loader into a machine with 16k of RAM earlier.

Psion got a whole flight simulator, including the memory mapped screen, into 16k on the ZX81

impressive indeed 
If only Sir Clive had made the connection between the MOBO and 16k ram pack better   
pressing buttons on the keyboard membrane to play a game would inevitably result in it crashing and having to watch the coloured lines and listen to the data noise for another chunk of your life while the game was reloaded   

Fortunately we now have GAFFA TAPE to resolve such IT problems