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.... Have gone up! :(
My current deal with EON is about to expire so I'm casting about for a new deal, but it turns out that the best deal is the new tariff offered by EON. :-\
Current Deal:
Gas 2.792p pKwh Standing Charge 9.450p per day. Elec. 16.976p pKwh Standing Charge 9.450p per day.
New Deal:
Gas 3.99p pKwh Standing Charge 19.27p per day. Elec. 20.74p pKwh Standing Charge 18.81p per day.
Looks like I'll have to stick another jumper on this winter. ::) :-\
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This has been coming since the government said they were lifting the cap on prices. I fixed with OctopusEnergy for two years a couple of months ago. It wasn't cheap, but it was cheaper than waiting until now...........which, apparently, some people have done ;D
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Price cap doesn't go up until 1st October. :P
Although it looks as though they've already priced that in. :-\
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Communists :D
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I switched some time ago to Bulb.
I don't know about being absolutely the cheapest, but very straight forward. No tarrifs, deals, contracts, plans, and other ways of creating smoke and mirrors. Just one. I just know that my bills halved when I switched from SSE. Very happy.
PS. They have told me that a price increase is in the pipeline, but I won't lose sleep over it.
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I switched some time ago to Bulb.
I don't know about being absolutely the cheapest, but very straight forward. No tarrifs, deals, contracts, plans, and other ways of creating smoke and mirrors. Just one. I just know that my bills halved when I switched from SSE. Very happy.
PS. They have told me that a price increase is in the pipeline, but I won't lose sleep over it.
Rich bastard ;D
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I'll need to burn a couple of scullery maid's to keep warm. :)
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I'll need to burn a couple of scullery maid's to keep warm. :)
I can think of better ways to keep warm with a scullery maid! ;D
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I'll need to burn a couple of scullery maid's to keep warm. :)
I can think of better ways to keep warm with a scullery maid! ;D
Have you seen the young ladies from South Lincs? Big, buxom wenches with no teeth. They piss like a police horse and smell even worse ;D
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I'll need to burn a couple of scullery maid's to keep warm. :)
I can think of better ways to keep warm with a scullery maid! ;D
Sexist pig.. ;D
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I'll need to burn a couple of scullery maid's to keep warm. :)
I can think of better ways to keep warm with a scullery maid! ;D
Have you seen the young ladies from South Lincs? Big, buxom wenches with no teeth. They piss like a police horse and smell even worse ;D
Most are not as good as you describe. ::) :)
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A pretty scouse girl would suffice......as long as she keeps her gob shut. :)
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I'll need to burn a couple of scullery maid's to keep warm. :)
I can think of better ways to keep warm with a scullery maid! ;D
Have you seen the young ladies from South Lincs? Big, buxom wenches with no teeth. They piss like a police horse and smell even worse ;D
Lord Opti speaks well of Barnsley lasses as well! :)
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A pretty scouse girl would suffice......as long as she keeps her gob shut. :)
That's no good then. :o
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A pretty scouse girl would suffice......as long as she keeps her gob shut. :)
That's no good then. :o
Ok, as long as she doesn't talk with her mouth full. :)
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.... Have gone up! :(
My current deal with EON is about to expire so I'm casting about for a new deal, but it turns out that the best deal is the new tariff offered by EON. :-\
Current Deal:
Gas 2.792p pKwh Standing Charge 9.450p per day. Elec. 16.976p pKwh Standing Charge 9.450p per day.
New Deal:
Gas 3.99p pKwh Standing Charge 19.27p per day. Elec. 20.74p pKwh Standing Charge 18.81p per day.
Looks like I'll have to stick another jumper on this winter. ::) :-\
I've just re-quoted with Avro Energy.
Current (variable) rate is Electric 24.1p/day+18.8p/KWh, Gas 26.51p/day + 3.41p/KWh
1 Year Fix is Electric 17.85p/day+19.661p/KWh, Gas 17.85p/day+3.491p/KWh
According to the Meercats Avro is the cheapest fix in my area? There are a couple of cheaper variable deals (Ebico, Peoples and Igloo), but no guarantee the variable won't change (obvs) and it's only a few quid a month cheaper so frankly CBA.
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My KWh is cheaper than both gas and electric figures you have quoted, with OctopusEnergy. But my standing charge is more expensive.
Living in a stone fronted house that cannot be insulated, it costs me £1800 pa, or £150 a month, so I need it to be the cheapest available.
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Yeah, it does seem like a scam having to trade off standing charges versus cost per KWh. The network to supply the energy is basically the same between different suppliers (I mean it's the same gas pipes and electricity wires) so the only difference in the standing charges should be down to the efficiency of the various companies' internal processes.
In Sir Tiggers EON case, doubling the standing charge...hmmmm. Smells like they couldn't increase the cost per KWh, so they're gouging the standing charges instead.
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My KWh is cheaper than both gas and electric figures you have quoted, with OctopusEnergy. But my standing charge is more expensive.
Living in a stone fronted house that cannot be insulated, it costs me £1800 pa, or £150 a month, so I need it to be the cheapest available.
I had a problem heating the living room in my ‘70’s house despite cavity wall insulation (not convinced that helped), so I insulated the outward facing internal wall with insulated plasterboard on battens. This worked brilliantly, and once fitted we didn’t notice the lost inch or so on the internal wall.
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My KWh is cheaper than both gas and electric figures you have quoted, with OctopusEnergy. But my standing charge is more expensive.
Living in a stone fronted house that cannot be insulated, it costs me £1800 pa, or £150 a month, so I need it to be the cheapest available.
I had a problem heating the living room in my ‘70’s house despite cavity wall insulation (not convinced that helped), so I insulated the outward facing internal wall with insulated plasterboard on battens. This worked brilliantly, and once fitted we didn’t notice the lost inch or so on the internal wall.
I've considered all kinds of remedies, Chris, the problem with that particular solution is that I'd have to remove the picture rail and the 1-1.5" I'd lose would bring the wall forward of the bottom of the cornice. The house is end of terrace and none of the side and rear brick walls have a cavity. Then there's the attic bedroom, baking hot in the summer (ceiling is like a radiator) and steals all the heat from downstairs in the winter.
In fact, the problem is it was built around 1920 and is a fickin money pit ;D
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Dad had his 70's bungalow in Orkney insulated externally.
The only clue being that the new surface was rendered instead of bare brick.
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My KWh is cheaper than both gas and electric figures you have quoted, with OctopusEnergy. But my standing charge is more expensive.
Living in a stone fronted house that cannot be insulated, it costs me £1800 pa, or £150 a month, so I need it to be the cheapest available.
I had a problem heating the living room in my ‘70’s house despite cavity wall insulation (not convinced that helped), so I insulated the outward facing internal wall with insulated plasterboard on battens. This worked brilliantly, and once fitted we didn’t notice the lost inch or so on the internal wall.
I've considered all kinds of remedies, Chris, the problem with that particular solution is that I'd have to remove the picture rail and the 1-1.5" I'd lose would bring the wall forward of the bottom of the cornice. The house is end of terrace and none of the side and rear brick walls have a cavity. Then there's the attic bedroom, baking hot in the summer (ceiling is like a radiator) and steals all the heat from downstairs in the winter.
In fact, the problem is it was built around 1920 and is a fickin money pit ;D
You can get some really cheap infra red cameras nowadays. Might be worth getting one, and then in mid winter venture out and point it at all 3 sides of the house. Anything glowing 'white' is where the heat is escaping from, and gives you a clue as to what is worth attempting and what isn't. If it's windows, doors, roof, chimney then pretty sure there are things that can be done. If its walls then it sounds like you're stuffed.
Down our road you can tell who has got proper loft/roof insulation by how quickly the frost/snow melts off the roofs.
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I've only got loft insulation in the eaves, the main part of the bedroom (original build, not a conversion), and the en-suite, has no more than plaster and slate between my son and the elements.
I haven't got a pic of it, but this was it before we moved in:
(https://i.ibb.co/sbVHQyV/F70737-AD-9-D87-44-BE-8536-9341856-E1927.png) (https://ibb.co/Gn5Tkc5)
The en-suite wasn't there then but is now off camera to the right.
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Great space for a youngster. :y
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My KWh is cheaper than both gas and electric figures you have quoted, with OctopusEnergy. But my standing charge is more expensive.
Living in a stone fronted house that cannot be insulated, it costs me £1800 pa, or £150 a month, so I need it to be the cheapest available.
I had a problem heating the living room in my ‘70’s house despite cavity wall insulation (not convinced that helped), so I insulated the outward facing internal wall with insulated plasterboard on battens. This worked brilliantly, and once fitted we didn’t notice the lost inch or so on the internal wall.
I've considered all kinds of remedies, Chris, the problem with that particular solution is that I'd have to remove the picture rail and the 1-1.5" I'd lose would bring the wall forward of the bottom of the cornice. The house is end of terrace and none of the side and rear brick walls have a cavity. Then there's the attic bedroom, baking hot in the summer (ceiling is like a radiator) and steals all the heat from downstairs in the winter.
In fact, the problem is it was built around 1920 and is a fickin money pit ;D
You can get some really cheap infra red cameras nowadays. Might be worth getting one, and then in mid winter venture out and point it at all 3 sides of the house. Anything glowing 'white' is where the heat is escaping from, and gives you a clue as to what is worth attempting and what isn't. If it's windows, doors, roof, chimney then pretty sure there are things that can be done. If its walls then it sounds like you're stuffed.
Down our road you can tell who is growing weed in the attic by how quickly the frost/snow melts off the roofs.
Fixed that for you Malc! ;D
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Great space for a youngster. :y
Wish I'd claimed it, Ronny, it's quiet up there. No Emmerdale or Corrie or shite like that, and I could stay up late without being told off. ;D
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My KWh is cheaper than both gas and electric figures you have quoted, with OctopusEnergy. But my standing charge is more expensive.
Living in a stone fronted house that cannot be insulated, it costs me £1800 pa, or £150 a month, so I need it to be the cheapest available.
I had a problem heating the living room in my ‘70’s house despite cavity wall insulation (not convinced that helped), so I insulated the outward facing internal wall with insulated plasterboard on battens. This worked brilliantly, and once fitted we didn’t notice the lost inch or so on the internal wall.
I've considered all kinds of remedies, Chris, the problem with that particular solution is that I'd have to remove the picture rail and the 1-1.5" I'd lose would bring the wall forward of the bottom of the cornice. The house is end of terrace and none of the side and rear brick walls have a cavity. Then there's the attic bedroom, baking hot in the summer (ceiling is like a radiator) and steals all the heat from downstairs in the winter.
In fact, the problem is it was built around 1920 and is a fickin money pit ;D
Wow! I would lie awake worrying at that cost. My house, although poorly built, 5 bed detached, triple glazed and cavity walled, currently costs £67 per month gas and electric. About 12" insulation in the roof. Nice and toasty at 24' in the evening, but I'm always looking to reduce the cost. I rarely use the conservatory heating, underfloor electric and radiators, as we don't use it in the winter. Fortunately I won't be around by the time they ban gas heating, as by all accounts, heat pumps are not very good.
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Great space for a youngster. :y
Wish I'd claimed it, Ronny, it's quiet up there. No Emmerdale or Corrie or shite like that, and I could stay up late without being told off. ;D
Nah, would be too cold for you up there. You have to keep comfy and warm at your age. :P ;D
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...and Avro energy have just gone pop. I think that whoever picks up the pieces is bound by my existing deal, so no problems for a year ::). If not, I guess I'll just have to freeze this winter :D
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...and Avro energy have just gone pop. I think that whoever picks up the pieces is bound by my existing deal, so no problems for a year ::). If not, I guess I'll just have to freeze this winter :D
No, they are not bound to your existing deal. Plus you can't switch until your newly appointed provider has set you up, which will be after the price cap increases.
Waiting to see what my new British Gas "competitive" tarrif will be :(, but they have confirmed no exit fees should I wish to move.
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...and Avro energy have just gone pop. I think that whoever picks up the pieces is bound by my existing deal, so no problems for a year ::). If not, I guess I'll just have to freeze this winter :D
No, they are not bound to your existing deal. Plus you can't switch until your newly appointed provider has set you up, which will be after the price cap increases.
Waiting to see what my new British Gas "competitive" tarrif will be :(, but they have confirmed no exit fees should I wish to move.
Suppose I'd best get home then and take a photo of the meters. Then turn all the heating and electrical stuff on to use as much leccie and gas as possible before the price goes up :D
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
Credit? I don't allow companies or the tax man to owe me credit. If I understood the screen last time I logged on I owed them £1000+. Dunno how - it's them that set the direct debit which was £90 p/m, but went up to £128 p/m when I renewed last month.
I think the regulator is going to have to change the rules for those suppliers that survive this. In the same way that banks are supposed to keep a reserve (10% of deposits IIRC), the surviving energy companies are going to have to hedge/forward buy a percentage of their customers fixed tariff contracts.
In the mean time I'll take a leaf out of Tom Daley's book and start knitting a wooly pully for winter.
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I always build up a credit during the summer months, about £350 now I think, because my bills in the winter months are around £220 a month.
I'm always toasty warm, though. ::)
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Sheepskin coats for us in the cold evenings , us poor old pensioners will find the winter very tough indeed..😄
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We have another year to run on our fixed deal with Together energy................if they dont go bust.
If they do Im going to tap into next doors leccy. Dont like them anyway. ;D
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
We are also with Octopussy.
Must check out what we are paying/going to pay.
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We should just burn climate change protesters to keep warm this winter :)
do they set alight OK with the new E10 :-\
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One way to find out. :y
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...and Avro energy have just gone pop. I think that whoever picks up the pieces is bound by my existing deal, so no problems for a year ::). If not, I guess I'll just have to freeze this winter :D
Guess which company I was in process of switching to? ::)
They took my first DD payment of £94 on Monday as well and although credit balances are supposedly protected, I'm not technically a customer yet. :-\
Meanwhile, EonNext (my current supplier) are still offering the same 12 month deal that seemed expensive 3 weeks ago. Might be wise just to sign up to that. :-\ ::)
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
We are also with Octopussy.
Must check out what we are paying/going to pay.
Why? What does it matter? You'll pay what you pay and you probably won't find cheaper elsewhere. If you were worried about fuel prices you wouldn't be hooning around in a 2.8T.
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
We are also with Octopussy.
Must check out what we are paying/going to pay.
Why? What does it matter? You'll pay what you pay and you probably won't find cheaper elsewhere. If you were worried about fuel prices you wouldn't be hooning around in a 2.8T.
Is it possible to hoon around in a Signum? :-\ ;D
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
We are also with Octopussy.
Must check out what we are paying/going to pay.
Why? What does it matter? You'll pay what you pay and you probably won't find cheaper elsewhere. If you were worried about fuel prices you wouldn't be hooning around in a 2.8T.
Is it possible to hoon around in a Signum? :-\ ;D
As long as it's in a straight line ;D
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
We are also with Octopussy.
Must check out what we are paying/going to pay.
Why? What does it matter? You'll pay what you pay and you probably won't find cheaper elsewhere. If you were worried about fuel prices you wouldn't be hooning around in a 2.8T.
Is it possible to hoon around in a Signum? :-\ ;D
As long as it's in a straight line ;D
Not sure how you'd manage that with shopping wheel drive and that much power. ;D
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Checked our account with Scottish power pay £115 per month for gas & electric, couple of hundred quid in credit locked in till September 2022 so for now no increase in prices, unless they go tits up , still things could always be worse so certainly won't be worrying about it..👌
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No, not bound by your existing deal, but any credit you have will be honoured.
I have a two year fix with OctopusEnergy, 18 months to run.
We are also with Octopussy.
Must check out what we are paying/going to pay.
Why? What does it matter? You'll pay what you pay and you probably won't find cheaper elsewhere. If you were worried about fuel prices you wouldn't be hooning around in a 2.8T.
Is it possible to hoon around in a Signum? :-\ ;D
As long as it's in a straight line ;D
Doesn't make any difference; old people's reactions are so bad that 30mph feels like 70 used to :y
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Checked our account with Scottish power pay £115 per month for gas & electric, couple of hundred quid in credit locked in till September 2022 so for now no increase in prices, unless they go tits up , still things could always be worse so certainly won't be worrying about it..👌
As my switch to Avro won't be happening, I've just checked to see what EonNext are offing me to stay and there is nothing, nada etc, so I'm stuck on the standard variable.... :-\
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Checked our account with Scottish power pay £115 per month for gas & electric, couple of hundred quid in credit locked in till September 2022 so for now no increase in prices, unless they go tits up , still things could always be worse so certainly won't be worrying about it..👌
As my switch to Avro won't be happening, I've just checked to see what EonNext are offing me to stay and there is nothing, nada etc, so I'm stuck on the standard variable.... :-\
This could be the answer to global warming. Make gas so expensive that no one uses it. If we want to keep warm we'll just have to set fire to granny, thus saving the public purse on pension payments ;D
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Checked our account with Scottish power pay £115 per month for gas & electric, couple of hundred quid in credit locked in till September 2022 so for now no increase in prices, unless they go tits up , still things could always be worse so certainly won't be worrying about it..👌
As my switch to Avro won't be happening, I've just checked to see what EonNext are offing me to stay and there is nothing, nada etc, so I'm stuck on the standard variable.... :-\
This could be the answer to global warming. Make gas so expensive that no one uses it. If we want to keep warm we'll just have to set fire to granny, thus saving the public purse on pension payments ;D
Yep think I'll have to invest in some thermals and rebuild my chimney. At least then I could burn the furniture? :)
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Checked our account with Scottish power pay £115 per month for gas & electric, couple of hundred quid in credit locked in till September 2022 so for now no increase in prices, unless they go tits up , still things could always be worse so certainly won't be worrying about it..👌
As my switch to Avro won't be happening, I've just checked to see what EonNext are offing me to stay and there is nothing, nada etc, so I'm stuck on the standard variable.... :-\
This could be the answer to global warming. Make gas so expensive that no one uses it. If we want to keep warm we'll just have to set fire to granny, thus saving the public purse on pension payments ;D
Yep think I'll have to invest in some thermals and rebuild my chimney. At least then I could burn the furniture? :)
In the woods where I walk doggie, the council did some thinning of the trees last year. They took all the good stuff away on log trucks but left the place in a right mess with all of the fallen branches. I notice that the place is looking less cluttered lately and there are wheelbarrow tracks everywhere. ::)
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats". Cheapest deals for me are still in the £125-130 p/m range (Utility Warehouse, London Power, bulb, EDF) but they're all variable rate so will probably go up once the price cap is lifted.
Cheapest fixes are £150/pm (Sainsbury, eon) and they're all for 2 years. Cheapest 1 year's are £160-£165 (Scottish Power, Octopus).
Can't do anything about it now, but the fact that two year fixes are cheaper than one year makes me think the suppliers are expecting prices to rise in the short term, and then fall after year 1. I'm not sure whether it's wise to lock into a 2 year deal under those circumstances.
It's all a gamble.
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats". Cheapest deals for me are still in the £125-130 p/m range (Utility Warehouse, London Power, bulb, EDF) but they're all variable rate so will probably go up once the price cap is lifted.
Cheapest fixes are £150/pm (Sainsbury, eon) and they're all for 2 years. Cheapest 1 year's are £160-£165 (Scottish Power, Octopus).
Can't do anything about it now, but the fact that two year fixes are cheaper than one year makes me think the suppliers are expecting prices to rise in the short term, and then fall after year 1. I'm not sure whether it's wise to lock into a 2 year deal under those circumstances.
It's all a gamble.
So the difference between a one year fix and a two year is £10-15 a month. Not worth losing sleep over, I'd go for the two year.
I'm paying OctopusEnergy £150 a month now, and that's on a two year fix from last April. I dread to think what I'd be paying on a variable rate.
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats".
I've just checked Uswitch and the meercats and neither of them are giving quotes.... :-\
Nor GoCompare...
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats".
I've just checked Uswitch and the meercats and neither of them are giving quotes.... :-\
Nor GoCompare...
That's because they can't get quotes from the suppliers, half of which won't be around much longer and the other half who will be saddled with their customers.
Have a cuppa and a bacon buttie and chill. It won't go dark, Boris said so. ;D
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats".
I've just checked Uswitch and the meercats and neither of them are giving quotes.... :-\
Nor GoCompare...
That's because they can't get quotes from the suppliers, half of which won't be around much longer and the other half who will be saddled with their customers.
Have a cuppa and a bacon buttie and chill. It won't go dark, Boris said so. ;D
Read the book Don recommended :)
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats". Cheapest deals for me are still in the £125-130 p/m range (Utility Warehouse, London Power, bulb, EDF) but they're all variable rate so will probably go up once the price cap is lifted.
Cheapest fixes are £150/pm (Sainsbury, eon) and they're all for 2 years. Cheapest 1 year's are £160-£165 (Scottish Power, Octopus).
Can't do anything about it now, but the fact that two year fixes are cheaper than one year makes me think the suppliers are expecting prices to rise in the short term, and then fall after year 1. I'm not sure whether it's wise to lock into a 2 year deal under those circumstances.
It's all a gamble.
So the difference between a one year fix and a two year is £10-15 a month. Not worth losing sleep over, I'd go for the two year.
I'm paying OctopusEnergy £150 a month now, and that's on a two year fix from last April. I dread to think what I'd be paying on a variable rate.
Variable rate is actually the cheapest at the moment, and has been for the past 6 months or so. Of course, we don't actually know what the variable rate will be tomorrow, never mind in two years time, so no way of knowing what the correct decision will be until two years time.
It's a bit like taking out an 8% 10 year fixed mortgage in 2007. 8% may well have looked like a good rate if you were looking backwards at what happened in the previous 10 years, but if you could have looked into the future you would know it might be a poor deal.
It seems part of the problem is being caused by renewables - particularly wind. On a good day, wind can provide close to 50% of the UK's electrical power. On a bad day, close to zero. On the bad days we have to burn gas to make up the shortfall, and August & September have been 'calm' so we've been using more gas than planned. Also 5 of out 8 nuclear power stations are currently either off line or have faults, so nuclear power generation is down. That in turn has pushed up the wholesale price of gas. Gas supply can be increased, but not rapidly enough to cope with the demands placed on it by the weather.
Sounds like someone needs to tell the greenies to eff off, dig up Arthur Scargill and re-open the mines :D
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EonNext are now offering me a 2 year fix. I got excited! :)
Then saw that the standing charge is 39p per day for both gas and leccy! :o
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Yes, but if you put aside all of the variables, and lock in to a two year deal, then you know what your budget is for your fuel costs for the next two years and you can forget about it.
We all think differently but, personally, I've got better things to do than spend time worrying about whether I'm paying a little more or less than I could be. Then again, that's probably because I might not be around in two years ;D
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My above post was in reply to Malcolm, but that Tigger fella butted in. ;D
But it's just as relevant to you.
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I'm off for a walk with doggie.....at least fresh air is still free.....for now.
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I'm off for a walk with doggie.....at least fresh air is still free.....for now.
It won't be once your mutt unloads a giant log..... ;D
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Yes, but if you put aside all of the variables, and lock in to a two year deal, then you know what your budget is for your fuel costs for the next two years and you can forget about it.
We all think differently but, personally, I've got better things to do than spend time worrying about whether I'm paying a little more or less than I could be. Then again, that's probably because I might not be around in two years ;D
Except there is a 50-50 chance you'll pay more by actively choosing to do something (like lock into a 2 year fix) than by sitting on your arris and doing nothing (variable rate).
And now it seems that even if you do chose to fix, and the price goes up there is a 50-50 chance the supplier will go bust and you'll end up on variable rate anyway.
Heads they win, tails you loose. The illusion of choice only exists if you can trust the suppliers to deliver what you sign up for.
So my decision is based around the premis that Boris won't allow (too many) grannies to freeze to death this winter, and most grannies are on variable rate.
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Yes, but if you put aside all of the variables, and lock in to a two year deal, then you know what your budget is for your fuel costs for the next two years and you can forget about it.
We all think differently but, personally, I've got better things to do than spend time worrying about whether I'm paying a little more or less than I could be. Then again, that's probably because I might not be around in two years ;D
Except there is a 50-50 chance you'll pay more by actively choosing to do something (like lock into a 2 year fix) than by sitting on your arris and doing nothing (variable rate).
And now it seems that even if you do chose to fix, and the price goes up there is a 50-50 chance the supplier will go bust and you'll end up on variable rate anyway.
Heads they win, tails you loose. The illusion of choice only exists if you can trust the suppliers to deliver what you sign up for.
So my decision is based around the premis that Boris won't allow (too many) grannies to freeze to death this winter, and most grannies are on variable rate.
Yes, but you're going straight back to the things I said I would ignore. Two year contract, forget about it. Don't care what anyone else pays.
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Yes, but if you put aside all of the variables, and lock in to a two year deal, then you know what your budget is for your fuel costs for the next two years and you can forget about it.
We all think differently but, personally, I've got better things to do than spend time worrying about whether I'm paying a little more or less than I could be. Then again, that's probably because I might not be around in two years ;D
Except there is a 50-50 chance you'll pay more by actively choosing to do something (like lock into a 2 year fix) than by sitting on your arris and doing nothing (variable rate).
And now it seems that even if you do chose to fix, and the price goes up there is a 50-50 chance the supplier will go bust and you'll end up on variable rate anyway.
Heads they win, tails you loose. The illusion of choice only exists if you can trust the suppliers to deliver what you sign up for.
So my decision is based around the premis that Boris won't allow (too many) grannies to freeze to death this winter, and most grannies are on variable rate.
Yes, but you're going straight back to the things I said I would ignore. Two year contract,forget about it. Don't care what anyone else pays.
No, that's one more decision than just sitting on you bum and doing nothing and ignoring it all till it goes away. Replace the highlighted text with "Do nothing", and that's where I'm at.
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Yes, but if you put aside all of the variables, and lock in to a two year deal, then you know what your budget is for your fuel costs for the next two years and you can forget about it.
We all think differently but, personally, I've got better things to do than spend time worrying about whether I'm paying a little more or less than I could be. Then again, that's probably because I might not be around in two years ;D
Except there is a 50-50 chance you'll pay more by actively choosing to do something (like lock into a 2 year fix) than by sitting on your arris and doing nothing (variable rate).
And now it seems that even if you do chose to fix, and the price goes up there is a 50-50 chance the supplier will go bust and you'll end up on variable rate anyway.
Heads they win, tails you loose. The illusion of choice only exists if you can trust the suppliers to deliver what you sign up for.
So my decision is based around the premis that Boris won't allow (too many) grannies to freeze to death this winter, and most grannies are on variable rate.
Yes, but you're going straight back to the things I said I would ignore. Two year contract,forget about it. Don't care what anyone else pays.
No, that's one more decision than just sitting on you bum and doing nothing and ignoring it all till it goes away. Replace the highlighted text with "Do nothing", and that's where I'm at.
Except you might have to remortgage to pay your gas bill next year. ;D
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I've just re-quoted on "Meercats". Cheapest deals for me are still in the £125-130 p/m range (Utility Warehouse, London Power, bulb, EDF) but they're all variable rate so will probably go up once the price cap is lifted.
Cheapest fixes are £150/pm (Sainsbury, eon) and they're all for 2 years. Cheapest 1 year's are £160-£165 (Scottish Power, Octopus).
Can't do anything about it now, but the fact that two year fixes are cheaper than one year makes me think the suppliers are expecting prices to rise in the short term, and then fall after year 1. I'm not sure whether it's wise to lock into a 2 year deal under those circumstances.
It's all a gamble.
So the difference between a one year fix and a two year is £10-15 a month. Not worth losing sleep over, I'd go for the two year.
I'm paying OctopusEnergy £150 a month now, and that's on a two year fix from last April. I dread to think what I'd be paying on a variable rate.
Variable rate is actually the cheapest at the moment, and has been for the past 6 months or so. Of course, we don't actually know what the variable rate will be tomorrow, never mind in two years time, so no way of knowing what the correct decision will be until two years time.
It's a bit like taking out an 8% 10 year fixed mortgage in 2007. 8% may well have looked like a good rate if you were looking backwards at what happened in the previous 10 years, but if you could have looked into the future you would know it might be a poor deal.
It seems part of the problem is being caused by renewables - particularly wind. On a good day, wind can provide close to 50% of the UK's electrical power. On a bad day, close to zero. On the bad days we have to burn gas to make up the shortfall, and August & September have been 'calm' so we've been using more gas than planned. Also 5 of out 8 nuclear power stations are currently either off line or have faults, so nuclear power generation is down. That in turn has pushed up the wholesale price of gas. Gas supply can be increased, but not rapidly enough to cope with the demands placed on it by the weather.
Sounds like someone needs to tell the greenies to eff off, dig up Arthur Scargill and re-open the mines :D
When you consider how much coal we have under the UK and around the world for that matter, that ain't a bad idea. I'm sure that there are ways now to filter a lot of the pollutants out before they hit the atmosphere. ???
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Except you might have to remortgage to pay your gas bill next year. ;D
Except Boris won't let grannies freeze to death - they're the idiots that voted for him. Hence there is a limit to the price govt will allow the companies to charge for gas.
Fixing for 2 years instead of 1 means (whether you realise it or not) you're betting the price of gas will be more expensive in one years time than it is now. The gas companies don't believe that to be true because if it were 2 year fixes would be more expensive (or at least the same) than 1 year fixes. But they aren't (or weren't when I looked this morning!).
So by fixing for 2 years you're gambling that the gas companies have got it wrong (again!). For small suppliers that may be true, but for the big ones who actually dig/pump the stuff out of the ground - naahhhh.
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Except you might have to remortgage to pay your gas bill next year. ;D
Except Boris won't let grannies freeze to death - they're the idiots that voted for him. Hence there is a limit to the price govt will allow the companies to charge for gas.
Fixing for 2 years instead of 1 means (whether you realise it or not) you're betting the price of gas will be more expensive in one years time than it is now. The gas companies don't believe that to be true because if it were 2 year fixes would be more expensive (or at least the same) than 1 year fixes. But they aren't (or weren't when I looked this morning!).
So by fixing for 2 years you're gambling that the gas companies have got it wrong (again!). For small suppliers that may be true, but for the big ones who actually dig/pump the stuff out of the ground - naahhhh.
Maybe...but I'm already ahead of the game, I fixed for two years six months ago, and I doubt prices will fall below Aprils in the next 18 months.
Enough gassing about gas, I'm off to use some in the kitchen.
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Maybe...but I'm already ahead of the game, I fixed for two years six months ago, and I doubt prices will fall below Aprils in the next 18 months.
Enough gassing about gas, I'm off to use some in the kitchen.
Providing Octopus doesn't turn into Calamari :D
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Except you might have to remortgage to pay your gas bill next year. ;D
Except Boris won't let grannies freeze to death - they're the idiots that voted for him. Hence there is a limit to the price govt will allow the companies to charge for gas.
Fixing for 2 years instead of 1 means (whether you realise it or not) you're betting the price of gas will be more expensive in one years time than it is now. The gas companies don't believe that to be true because if it were 2 year fixes would be more expensive (or at least the same) than 1 year fixes. But they aren't (or weren't when I looked this morning!).
So by fixing for 2 years you're gambling that the gas companies have got it wrong (again!). For small suppliers that may be true, but for the big ones who actually dig/pump the stuff out of the ground - naahhhh.
Corbyn and that Veggie bint from Brighton were such good alternatives afterall :-X
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I'm off for a walk with doggie.....at least fresh air is still free.....for now.
Best reread that book when you get back too ;D
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I'm off for a walk with doggie.....at least fresh air is still free.....for now.
Best reread that book when you get back too ;D
I'm chilled enough...........best turn the heating up ;D
I can afford it. Did I mention I fixed last April? ;D
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We did ours a month ago, so I fully sympathise with your warm fuzzy smugness blanket :D
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I'm chilled enough...........best turn the heating up ;D
I can afford it. Did I mention I fixed last April? ;D
We did ours a month ago, so I fully sympathise with your warm fuzzy smugness blanket :D
Smug bastards! >:( ::) ;D
When British Gas is the last man standing, has it's old monopoly back and you're both on it's expensive standard variable rate with the rest of us you won't be laughing then! :P ::) ;D
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I'm chilled enough...........best turn the heating up ;D
I can afford it. Did I mention I fixed last April? ;D
We did ours a month ago, so I fully sympathise with your warm fuzzy smugness blanket :D
Smug bastards! >:( ::) ;D
When British Gas is the last man standing, has it's old monopoly back and you're both on it's expensive standard variable rate with the rest of us you won't be laughing then! :P ::) ;D
Oh yes I will, I've read the book. :)
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Plus...Boris will give me £200 towards my fuel bill in December. He's a very nice man. ;D
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I'm chilled enough...........best turn the heating up ;D
I can afford it. Did I mention I fixed last April? ;D
We did ours a month ago, so I fully sympathise with your warm fuzzy smugness blanket :D
Smug bastards! >:( ::) ;D
When British Gas is the last man standing, has it's old monopoly back and you're both on it's expensive standard variable rate with the rest of us you won't be laughing then! :P ::) ;D
Buy the time I can afford enough house to require heating, I will be living somewhere warm enjoying my solar powered air conditioning :D
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Apparently now petrol stations are beginning to run dry too!!
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Apparently now petrol stations are beginning to run dry too!!
We're doomed, Baza, doomed.
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I’m with octopus too and they seem armless enough :o
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I'm with British Gas[always have been since moving over here 28yrs ago]for both electric and gas. Gas is for heating and hot water only and at present costs me £23 per month.Electric is for everything else and is on pre-payment meter[it was like that when we moved here 7 or so years ago]and cost £35 per month.Don't know what it'll cost when new prices come in but it is what it is and will have to be paid.
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Apparently now petrol stations are beginning to run dry too!!
Just been to my nearest station in the Boxster as its nearly empty. No fuel of any kind left due to people panic buying.
Went to the next nearest, a few hundred yards away which is limiting people to £20 of fuel.
They were queuing 100 yards down the road.
I turned around and came home. Im not getting involved in that stupidity.
Will fill Pierre with diesel on the way to work tonight and that will give me 700 miles of motoring.
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Filled both of ours last Sunday when we got back from Yorkshire so got plenty to last during this nonsense.
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I’m with octopus too and they seem armless enough :o
As am I.
They are also very benevolent.......donating £100,000 to BLM. :-\
This will help Marxist Patrisse Cullors add to the four houses she already owns. :)
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Got the Astra the Omega and the Jag all filled up with LPG so I should be ok for a while😀
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Got the Astra the Omega and the Jag all filled up with LPG so I should be ok for a while😀
One advantage I had during the last Fuel farce, no tinker wanted LPG but me so I could drive to the front of the queue which pissed everyone queuing right off
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Gridlock down at the local Sainsburys with people wanting fuel ::)
an ambulance car had a game getting through it on blue lights earlier :(
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Ooohhh, just got an email. Looks like the energy regulator has fobbed me off on Octopus Energy - same as Stemo and Dr Opti. Must be a home for senile old Vauxhall drivers.
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Ooohhh, just got an email. Looks like the energy regulator has fobbed me off on Octopus Energy - same as Stemo and Dr Opti. Must be a home for senile old Vauxhall drivers.
That will overstretch them, no doubt, so we'll all be going to British Gas soon. ;D
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
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Plus...Boris will give me £200 towards my fuel bill in December. He's a very nice man. ;D
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I'd completely forgotten about that handout..👌
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
Let us know jif you still have power tomorrow ;)
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
Let us know jif you still have power tomorrow ;)
I've also had an email from EonNext telling me that they will be removing a hundred and twelve quid from my bank account on the first of October. ::)
But seeing as I owe them about three hunderd and fifty quid I guess that's OK. :)
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
Let us know jif you still have power tomorrow ;)
I've also had an email from EonNext telling me that they will be removing a hundred and twelve quid from my bank account on the first of October. ::)
But seeing as I owe them about three hunderd and fifty quid I guess that's OK. :)
If you get into any kind of difficulty with the switch, or with the tariff they place you on, let us all know.
I could do with a good laugh ;D
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
Let us know jif you still have power tomorrow ;)
I've also had an email from EonNext telling me that they will be removing a hundred and twelve quid from my bank account on the first of October. ::)
But seeing as I owe them about three hunderd and fifty quid I guess that's OK. :)
If you get into any kind of difficulty with the switch, or with the tariff they place you on, let us all know.
I could do with a good laugh ;D
Foxtrot Oscar! :)
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
Let us know jif you still have power tomorrow ;)
I've also had an email from EonNext telling me that they will be removing a hundred and twelve quid from my bank account on the first of October. ::)
But seeing as I owe them about three hunderd and fifty quid I guess that's OK. :)
If you get into any kind of difficulty with the switch, or with the tariff they place you on, let us all know.
I could do with a good laugh ;D
Foxtrot Oscar! :)
No need for that :o
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I had an email from Avro Energy yesterday....
We are pleased to confirm that your switch went smoothly, and we will be supplying your energy from the 28/09/2021.
Please log into your myAvro account and submit an opening meter reading. If you have any queries then please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
::)
Let us know jif you still have power tomorrow ;)
I've also had an email from EonNext telling me that they will be removing a hundred and twelve quid from my bank account on the first of October. ::)
But seeing as I owe them about three hunderd and fifty quid I guess that's OK. :)
If you get into any kind of difficulty with the switch, or with the tariff they place you on, let us all know.
I could do with a good laugh ;D
Foxtrot Oscar! :)
No need for that :o
There's always need for that! ;D
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Just to put Uncle STEMO's mind at rest, I've just spoke to EonNext who tell me that my switch will go ahead too whoever takes on Avro Energy's customers, so it looks as though I too will be an Octopus customer. :)
It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
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Just to put Uncle STEMO's mind at rest, I've just spoke to EonNext who tell me that my switch will go ahead too whoever takes on Avro Energy's customers, so it looks as though I too will be an Octopus customer. :)
It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
You're definitely not tied in........and they'll charge you a fortune to make up for my cheap tariff :)
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It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
You won't be tied in for 12 months - you'll be free to transfer to whoever you wish. Whether there will be anyone cheaper, and if there is, if they're still in business by the time your switch completes is a different question.
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Just to put Uncle STEMO's mind at rest, I've just spoke to EonNext who tell me that my switch will go ahead too whoever takes on Avro Energy's customers, so it looks as though I too will be an Octopus customer. :)
It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
You're definitely not tied in........and they'll charge you a fortune to make up for my cheap tariff :)
Always happy to subsidise you poor OAP's! :y ::)
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Just to put Uncle STEMO's mind at rest, I've just spoke to EonNext who tell me that my switch will go ahead too whoever takes on Avro Energy's customers, so it looks as though I too will be an Octopus customer. :)
It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
You're definitely not tied in........and they'll charge you a fortune to make up for my cheap tariff :)
Always happy to subsidise you poor OAP's! :y ::)
Really? Lends a tenner :y
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Just to put Uncle STEMO's mind at rest, I've just spoke to EonNext who tell me that my switch will go ahead too whoever takes on Avro Energy's customers, so it looks as though I too will be an Octopus customer. :)
It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
You're definitely not tied in........and they'll charge you a fortune to make up for my cheap tariff :)
Always happy to subsidise you poor OAP's! :y ::)
Really? Lends a tenner :y
No problem Uncle STEMO. PM me our address and I'll send you twenty. :y
Think I've got twenty Vietnamese Dong somewhere. You're welcome! :) ;D
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Just to put Uncle STEMO's mind at rest, I've just spoke to EonNext who tell me that my switch will go ahead too whoever takes on Avro Energy's customers, so it looks as though I too will be an Octopus customer. :)
It's just that I have no idea what they will charge me or whether I'm tied in for 12 months or not. :-\
You're definitely not tied in........and they'll charge you a fortune to make up for my cheap tariff :)
Always happy to subsidise you poor OAP's! :y ::)
Really? Lends a tenner :y
No problem Uncle STEMO. PM me our address and I'll send you twenty. :y
Think I've got twenty Vietnamese Dong somewhere. You're welcome! :) ;D
Owt for nowt...I'll send you my details ;D
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I’ve got a dong too, but I’m not sending it😂
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I’ve got a dong too, but I’m not sending it😂
Does it smell of Dolly? ;D
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Not often enough :(
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Not often enough :(
EEEEEEEEEE.......yer dirty bastid ;D
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Flattery will get you nowhere🤭 you’re not getting any of my dong😂😂
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Flattery will get you nowhere🤭 you’re not getting any of my dong😂😂
Wouldn't have if it was wrapped in a pink bow. You can shove it up my your arse. :P
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You know you want it💋
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Flattery will get you nowhere🤭 you’re not getting any of my dong😂😂
Wouldn't have if it was wrapped in a pink bow. You can shove it up my arse. :P
Dolly's probably tighter! ;D
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And prettier I’d wager😂
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More to hang on to as well! ;D
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Oh yes it’s hard to fall off👀
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Flattery will get you nowhere🤭 you’re not getting any of my dong😂😂
Wouldn't have if it was wrapped in a pink bow. You can shove it up my arse. :P
Dolly's probably tighter! ;D
I can't argue with that, they don't call me slack arse for nothing ;D
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Those nice people at British Gas have given me a fantastic deal, I can see what they meant when they claimed it was competitive ::)
Unit rate
3.987p per kWh (Gas)
20.317p per kWh (Tizzy)
Standing charge‡
26.123p per day (Gas)
23.770p per day (Tizzy)
Obviously I can't even begin to move until the account is set up, which is still another couple of weeks. Not that there are any deals, and I believe every company is now charging new customers the absolute maximum allowed under the OFGEN caps.
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Those nice people at British Gas have given me a fantastic deal, I can see what they meant when they claimed it was competitive ::)
Unit rate
3.987p per kWh (Gas) 2.98
20.317p per kWh (Tizzy) 17.19
Standing charge‡
26.123p per day (Gas) 20
23.770p per day (Tizzy) 24.67
Obviously I can't even begin to move until the account is set up, which is still another couple of weeks. Not that there are any deals, and I believe every company is now charging new customers the absolute maximum allowed under the OFGEN caps.
You electricity standing charge looks ok ;D
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Flattery will get you nowhere🤭 you’re not getting any of my dong😂😂
Wouldn't have if it was wrapped in a pink bow. You can shove it up my arse. :P
Dolly's probably tighter! ;D
Dolly is long dead.......but that may not be a problem to some.
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You electricity standing charge looks ok ;D
Haven't you got a naughty step to stand on?
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You electricity standing charge looks ok ;D
Haven't you got a naughty step to stand on?
Yes. But I'm allowed to take my iPad with me, as long as I'm quiet ;D
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Flattery will get you nowhere🤭 you’re not getting any of my dong😂😂
Wouldn't have if it was wrapped in a pink bow. You can shove it up my arse. :P
Dolly's probably tighter! ;D
Dolly is long dead.......but that may not be a problem to some.
And still tighter! :o ;D
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Another missive from the eight-armed ones...
You’re switching to our always-good-value variable tariff, Flexible Octopus. It’s priced £10 cheaper than the Ofgem Price Cap for the typical home, and cheaper than anything available from any other large supplier today — and cheaper than the fixed prices we’re currently able to offer new customers on our own website. It has no exit fees, so you’re always in control.
£10 cheaper than the maximum they're allowed to charge. Woooohoooo.
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Another missive from the eight-armed ones...
You’re switching to our always-good-value variable tariff, Flexible Octopus. It’s priced £10 cheaper than the Ofgem Price Cap for the typical home, and cheaper than anything available from any other large supplier today — and cheaper than the fixed prices we’re currently able to offer new customers on our own website. It has no exit fees, so you’re always in control.
£10 cheaper than the maximum they're allowed to charge. Woooohoooo.
I've just had my missive. ::) At least I now know who's keeping my lights on! :D
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Another missive from the eight-armed ones...
You’re switching to our always-good-value variable tariff, Flexible Octopus. It’s priced £10 cheaper than the Ofgem Price Cap for the typical home, and cheaper than anything available from any other large supplier today — and cheaper than the fixed prices we’re currently able to offer new customers on our own website. It has no exit fees, so you’re always in control.
£10 cheaper than the maximum they're allowed to charge. Woooohoooo.
I've just had my missive. ::) At least I now know who's keeping my lights on! :D
Ahhh, but who is keeping you warm :D
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Probably not the octopus...