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Title: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 12 February 2020, 21:37:08
hi im going away next week for little break with family, birmingham to torquay abut 160 miles one way,ive got bit of a leak with camcover rear of v6 drips a bit on exhaust now and again get a wiff of oil and put about litre oil a month.got it booked in with vauxhall in 10 days time to replace gaskets.does anyone think its ok to travel that far i use it everyday for work last 15 years.just a bit apprehensive.
many thanx
John
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 12 February 2020, 22:20:31
.....got it booked in with vauxhall in 10 days time to replace gaskets
You've booked in at the dealers?  :o :o :o :o

.does anyone think its ok to travel that far i use it everyday for work last 15 years.just a bit apprehensive.
many thanx
John
Obviously depends on how big/little the leak is .... but likely to be OK  ;)
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 12 February 2020, 22:26:54
thanx andy yes booked it in with lookers vauxhall price for new camcover gaskets 224.00 inc think they made a mistake i had oil cooler replaced by them 10 years ago 1100 quid swore id never use them again.maybe gone my way for a change ;D
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Bigron on 12 February 2020, 22:33:24
Run away from the dealers! A better option would be to take it to Serek (SOS Autos, a member here). It will be worth the trip to Huntingdon along the ever-loving M6; he willdo a proper job, including clearing the breathers (essential to avoid repeated oil leaks) and he will not have your trousers down with his charges. :y

Ron
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 12 February 2020, 22:40:24
What Ron says  :y
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 12 February 2020, 23:02:17
thanx Bigron and andy sent serek a message much obliged old boy :y
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 February 2020, 23:13:06
That's the official price for ONE camcover. Taking it to someone who actually knows what they're doing.

HenryD runs a garage in Cornwall, so could be worth a side step whilst there ;)
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 12 February 2020, 23:22:00
thankyou Doctor where about in cornwall? only there wed to fri in torquay :y
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 February 2020, 23:26:30
Helston at a guess...
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 12 February 2020, 23:26:40
thankyou Doctor where about in cornwall? only there wed to fri in torquay :y

Helston
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Enceladus on 13 February 2020, 13:03:37
thanx andy yes booked it in with lookers vauxhall price for new camcover gaskets 224.00 inc think they made a mistake i had oil cooler replaced by them 10 years ago 1100 quid swore id never use them again.maybe gone my way for a change ;D
I wonder if Lookers would actually use genuine GM gaskets. I would guess that if original gaskets are still available then it would only be by special order from Germany. And on a 7-10 day delivery. More likely they they would just use whatever's cheapest on the day from a local motor factor.

The more labour intensive part of this job is not the dismantling and re-assembly. It's the cleaning. All crud, sealant and varnishing needs to be carefully removed from the mating surfaces or the new seals will rapidly fail. The bores in the breather bridge and the hoses need to be thoroughly cleaned. And maybe also the chamber at the back of the block. Not to mention that most, if not all of the breather seals and hoses are no longer available. So they have to be carefully salvaged and re-used. EG. the top-hat seal and the Y pipe. So you're probably better off getting somebody who know what they're doing for this job.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 13 February 2020, 13:28:29
What Ron says  :y

Yes, and I would also agree with that! :y :y

Although I have enjoyed doing the job many times, it was great to get Serek to do the job, the cam belt, cleaning the breathers and changing the front wishbones at the same time, whilst I took it easy in the local Dunelm store drinking coffee! 8) 8) :D ;)

I would highly recommend Serek who did a great job all round, fully understanding the Omega, and I will be using him again ;)
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 13 February 2020, 16:09:17
hi to all i had confirmation from vauxhall price for 2 banks gasket replacement to rocker covers 224 which i think is ok.parts coming from germany 7 to 10 days,they said they would clean breathers aswell while doing the job,very nice of them.ill keep you posted.mny thanx for your comments most appreciated. :y
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 13 February 2020, 16:16:13
i got the Y pipe and new breathers and the squiggly one .
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 February 2020, 17:55:21
hi to all i had confirmation from vauxhall price for 2 banks gasket replacement to rocker covers 224 which i think is ok.parts coming from germany 7 to 10 days,they said they would clean breathers aswell while doing the job,very nice of them.ill keep you posted.mny thanx for your comments most appreciated. :y
Ok, that's no so bad :y

There was a time when they wouldn't sell the gaskets without the covers :o
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: cam.in.head on 13 February 2020, 18:51:17
sorry if im misreading this post !
£224 to replace the cam cover GASKETS ?
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 13 February 2020, 19:43:45
sorry if im misreading this post !
£224 to replace the cam cover GASKETS ?

I thought that to be expensive as well considering Serek, with all parts supplied by me, charged £300 to do the cam belt, water pump, both front wishbones, cleaned the breathers and cam cover gaskets. The gaskets cost me £75 with TC in late 2018.

So £224 to do just the gaskets seems excessive :P

I would again highly recommend to the OP that he uses the services of Serek! :D ;)
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 February 2020, 19:57:12
sorry if im misreading this post !
£224 to replace the cam cover GASKETS ?
Couple of hours, plus parts plus Vat... Not to mention the 12 month guarantee on the parts AND labour... Actually pretty reasonable all things considered.  :y

People are all too quick to bitch and moan about the cost of things without actually considering how the price of things are calculated.

Serek may well be able to do it for £150, but throw in the tank of fuel to get there and back, and you're easily looking at £240. Not cost effective. Not even close.

Not saying that dealers are better or worse, but if summat goes wrong, they aren't another £80+ away.

And if something crops up as a result whilst the OP is on holiday, his recovery can take it straight back to the dealer to resolve it, which is presumably more convenient than East Anglia or finding yet another garage to fix it.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 13 February 2020, 20:53:17
When explained like that I can fully see your point of view DG and have to agree!  8) :y


Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 13 February 2020, 21:12:29
fair point  doc.thanx for imput lizzie but docs right vauxhall local and get the back up.serek must be good fair play to  him and those who use him.but docs right 160 miles there and back just had cambelts done by my mate but hes not too good at rocker covers haha so ill leave it to the topguns sick off topping oil up lets get it done! im going to torquay leak or no leak.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 13 February 2020, 21:19:31
got say ive had my omega 15 years now had cambelt go,(crank sprocket) new valves 2 years ago and nearly everything replaced inc diff,gearbox just got extensive refurb by top lads i got to say 3.2 elite still goes like an express train nothing keeps up with her, just the leak to sort and then im starting the cosmetic side of it.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: VXL V6 on 13 February 2020, 22:09:21
Whereabouts in Birmingham are you John?

I'm off to Serek's (SOS Automotive) tomorrow for a wishbone replacement, 170 mile round trip but worth it to know the jobs done properly - I'm getting far to old and lazy to lay on my back in the pouring rain and do it myself! Another option is Daz up in Stoke-on-Trent if you are the other side of Birmingham. Both highly recomended.

Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Entwood on 13 February 2020, 22:15:44
Whereabouts in Birmingham are you John?

I'm off to Serek's (SOS Automotive) tomorrow for a wishbone replacement, 170 mile round trip but worth it to know the jobs done properly - I'm getting far to old and lazy to lay on my back in the pouring rain and do it myself! Another option is Daz up in Stoke-on-Trent if you are the other side of Birmingham. Both highly recomended.


I thought Daz had "moved on" as they say ... no contact with him since last autumn, and I "think" he's in Poland ... although that is NOT confirmed I hasten to add....
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 13 February 2020, 22:27:30
alright mate,im in yardley wood birmingham. its just easier for me to have it done at lookers.work ,kids,etc like doctor gollum said by the time ive been there and back. juice time,loss of earnings,im self employed decorator so you know. the crack.thanx for your imput
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 13 February 2020, 22:47:06
....
I thought Daz had "moved on" as they say ... no contact with him since last autumn, and I "think" he's in Poland ... although that is NOT confirmed I hasten to add....

The last known address I had for him was sold 18 months ago .....  :-\
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: VXL V6 on 14 February 2020, 09:08:10
....
I thought Daz had "moved on" as they say ... no contact with him since last autumn, and I "think" he's in Poland ... although that is NOT confirmed I hasten to add....

The last known address I had for him was sold 18 months ago .....  :-\
Oh he's still around, I spoke to him on messenger quite recently.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Nick W on 14 February 2020, 11:07:25
sorry if im misreading this post !
£224 to replace the cam cover GASKETS ?


an hour's labour and retail price on the parts would easily be £224. I would want £100 to supply and fit GM gaskets, doing the work in the street outside my house.......
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 February 2020, 11:32:04
fair point  doc.thanx for imput lizzie but docs right vauxhall local and get the back up.serek must be good fair play to  him and those who use him.but docs right 160 miles there and back just had cambelts done by my mate but hes not too good at rocker covers haha so ill leave it to the topguns sick off topping oil up lets get it done! im going to torquay leak or no leak.

Yep, I must be honest enough to say that I often use my very reliable Vx dealer, who accepts TC, if I am not doing the job in hand myself.  Serek is great, but I did, as I described, have a number of serious jobs done at the same time in one day, and done extremely well for a price that made my journey very worthwhile.  But DG is absolutely right when you factor in the true costs for Serek doing just the cam cover gaskets.

All the best with the job being done and then getting away to Devon with peace of mind 8) :y :y
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 14 February 2020, 11:45:57
....
I thought Daz had "moved on" as they say ... no contact with him since last autumn, and I "think" he's in Poland ... although that is NOT confirmed I hasten to add....

The last known address I had for him was sold 18 months ago .....  :-\
Oh he's still around, I spoke to him on messenger quite recently.

I would love to now how he gets on communicating with the Poles. I cant understand him when he allegedly speaks English. Lol.
Last I heard from him a lot had changed in his life. Had a new woman iirc, and had given up spannering for cage fighting !
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 14 February 2020, 12:35:17
im glad  sereks polish i am polish descent so il lprobably get a very good deal as i speak polish too :D
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 14 February 2020, 12:48:24
I have no problems at all communicating with Serek. Me - " can I do anything to help ?" Serek - "yes, you make tea."
Daz on the other hand...…..
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: cam.in.head on 14 February 2020, 18:30:24
no offence or critisism of anyone intended and if the owner is happy with the price and whoever ends up doin the job then all is fine.
im out of touch with garage charges these days as i do all my own work just thought it seemed excessive for an hour or so job and a pair of gaskets .
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 14 February 2020, 18:46:05
well latest on camcovers vauxhall got it all wrong the order so i told them what to do with it.so im following senior members advice booked it in with serek for thursday 150 can complain daytrip for the kids and i can have a chat with him in polish ;D
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 14 February 2020, 18:48:20
well latest on camcovers vauxhall got it all wrong the order so i told them what to do with it.so im following senior members advice booked it in with serek for thursday 150 can complain daytrip for the kids and i can have a chat with him in polish ;D

 :y  :y

What did Vauxhall do (or not do)?
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Mutha Jugs n Speed on 14 February 2020, 18:52:45
My local garage based in a farm unit £105.00 per hour,just gone up from £96.00. :o
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 14 February 2020, 19:10:09
hi andy,lookers have a new call centre now and parts hub in brum i placed the order verbally for replacement of camcover gaskets inc
the kid who works there ordered cambelt cover and priced for that.so after endless fonecalls today to vauxhall they said the costs for what i wanted would be considerably more so i told them to shove it.as you do. have a trip to sereks thurs sort a few more odds and ends out while im there.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: john1959 on 14 February 2020, 19:11:49
thats a joke murhta
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 February 2020, 19:18:09
well latest on camcovers vauxhall got it all wrong the order so i told them what to do with it.so im following senior members advice booked it in with serek for thursday 150 can complain daytrip for the kids and i can have a chat with him in polish ;D

Good decision. At least you can be assured Serek knows what he is talking about and doing! :D :y

Enjoy the coffee, cakes and the relaxionation available at the Dunelm just down the road.  You can even buy your better half something nice! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 14 February 2020, 19:30:55
hi andy,lookers have a new call centre now and parts hub in brum i placed the order verbally for replacement of camcover gaskets inc
the kid who works there ordered cambelt cover and priced for that.so after endless fonecalls today to vauxhall they said the costs for what i wanted would be considerably more so i told them to shove it.as you do. have a trip to sereks thurs sort a few more odds and ends out while im there.

That the trouble these days. It seems loads of these call centres cover a huge massive area and a wide range of makes and it's not easy to speak to a particular dealer's service dept .... it's nigh on impossible to get passed the dolly bird on the service desk and speak to the tech directly.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 February 2020, 19:34:28
Hence the advice to always walk in and talk to someone.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 February 2020, 21:09:11
Hence the advice to always walk in and talk to someone.

Too true :y :y

I have, over many years, always got to know the staff in the main dealers I have dealt with on an almost personal basis.  It has given me so many advantages and, usually, a great level of service.  I get what I set out to.

Doing all the booking and following up online just does not get the same results.  In those cases you are just a number, not a living, breathing, valued Customer :(
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Nick W on 15 February 2020, 09:52:27
Hence the advice to always walk in and talk to someone.


it also allows you to point at the picture on the screen so you get what you described, not what the counter bloke thought you meant.
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 February 2020, 11:05:19
IPCs aren't difficult to use, but sometimes you need a bit of imagination to find stuff. Unfortunately, this tends to be lacking :-X
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2020, 20:30:33
IPCs aren't difficult to use, but sometimes you need a bit of imagination to find stuff. Unfortunately, this tends to be lacking :-X

Easy than when it was all on microfiche ....  ;D ;D
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 February 2020, 22:38:35
God forbid you sneeze using one of those  ;D
Title: Re: camcover leak
Post by: Nick W on 16 February 2020, 10:41:13
IPCs aren't difficult to use, but sometimes you need a bit of imagination to find stuff. Unfortunately, this tends to be lacking :-X


nomenclature is a tricky thing to negotiate: the parts bloke will default to what the system uses, which can be very different to what is in general use. I constantly dealt with customer requests for window hinges, which we had a lot of options. Company policy was "doors have hinges, windows have stays", and searching the technical information for window hinges always returned no results.