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[deviator]

Correct, but I was mistaken on the day of the alleged offence, it was the Monday. One more day to go.

Are you sure?  Your story, sorry, record of events keeps changing.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The elderly do tend to get confused.

[YZ250]

.......
Anyway, no NIP yet, 11 days and counting. If it doesn't arrive, this will be three times in a row, although 43 is definitely the highest transgression.

Hopefully they missed you. 

As I've posted several times before, and several times I've been told I was a fool to give up so easily, two of my speeding NIP's were way beyond the 14 days arrival time. Both were camera van offences so I wasn't spoken to at the scene and both were in my own personal vehicle, registered to me. I challenged both on the advice of Pepipoo and sent off the pre-written letter stating the 14 day limit.

This is what I received back both times:

'The law states that the police must send the NIP within 14 days of the offence, not including the day it happened. So, the NIP you receive must be dated within 14 days of the offence. If it is dated outside of this time, the notice is invalid.'

With the offer of contesting it in Court, and with me being guilty as charged, I really couldn't be arsed to challenge it that far, so yes, I did give in to their intimidation. The reply stated that they would claim that it was sent in good time so why wouldn't they expect it to arrive on time. 

The wording should be along the lines of 'The NIP must be served to the driver or registered keeper of the offending vehicle within 14 days of the offence. Failure to serve the NIP within this time limit will result in the offence not proceeding at court.'
So, they lied to me, both times, even though it's there for all to see. 

No point me debating this as it was a few years back now and although I'm told I should have rejected them, which I did, I clearly didn't do it with enough commitment.
So, the Police misled me both times about only the date on the letter mattering, in writing. I survived the ordeal, I got over it, their intimidation worked on me. 

[STEMO]

The only thing I can think of is that he'd just parked up and was getting ready to do the dirty deed 
If nothing arrives I'll consider myself more than lucky, because this will be the third time. Although last time it was an indicated speed of 38mph and James told me I shouldn't worry about it 

[dave the builder]

"third time lucky"
oh                       

[LC0112G]

.......
Anyway, no NIP yet, 11 days and counting. If it doesn't arrive, this will be three times in a row, although 43 is definitely the highest transgression.

Hopefully they missed you. 

As I've posted several times before, and several times I've been told I was a fool to give up so easily, two of my speeding NIP's were way beyond the 14 days arrival time. Both were camera van offences so I wasn't spoken to at the scene and both were in my own personal vehicle, registered to me. I challenged both on the advice of Pepipoo and sent off the pre-written letter stating the 14 day limit.

This is what I received back both times:

'The law states that the police must send the NIP within 14 days of the offence, not including the day it happened. So, the NIP you receive must be dated within 14 days of the offence. If it is dated outside of this time, the notice is invalid.'

With the offer of contesting it in Court, and with me being guilty as charged, I really couldn't be arsed to challenge it that far, so yes, I did give in to their intimidation. The reply stated that they would claim that it was sent in good time so why wouldn't they expect it to arrive on time. 

The wording should be along the lines of 'The NIP must be served to the driver or registered keeper of the offending vehicle within 14 days of the offence. Failure to serve the NIP within this time limit will result in the offence not proceeding at court.'
So, they lied to me, both times, even though it's there for all to see. 

No point me debating this as it was a few years back now and although I'm told I should have rejected them, which I did, I clearly didn't do it with enough commitment.
So, the Police misled me both times about only the date on the letter mattering, in writing. I survived the ordeal, I got over it, their intimidation worked on me. 

You caved. You were convicted because you plead guilty (by accepting the CoFP). You believed the police civilian whose job it is to maximise income and took the easy way out .

The law is clear. The NIP must be served within 14 days. Served means it's landed on your door mat. When posted by 1st class post the notice is presumed to have been delivered (served) two working days after it's posted. This is a rebuttal presumption - if you can show it didn't arrive within the 14 days for some reason then it wasn't served correctly and you have a cast iron defence. However you basically have to prove that it didn't arrive in time. A court won't believe you if you just stand up and say it didn't arrive - you have to be able to prove it didn't.

Proving it is tricky. However, if it's posted on (say) day 25, and that's a Thursday, then days 27 and 28 are a weekend, which aren't working days, so service can't be presumed. It could arrive on the Friday, and if you knew it had then it's purgery to claim it didn't. However if you don't know when it landed then the first presumed service is the Monday, which would be day 29. 

[YZ250]

.......
Anyway, no NIP yet, 11 days and counting. If it doesn't arrive, this will be three times in a row, although 43 is definitely the highest transgression.

Hopefully they missed you. 

As I've posted several times before, and several times I've been told I was a fool to give up so easily, two of my speeding NIP's were way beyond the 14 days arrival time. Both were camera van offences so I wasn't spoken to at the scene and both were in my own personal vehicle, registered to me. I challenged both on the advice of Pepipoo and sent off the pre-written letter stating the 14 day limit.

This is what I received back both times:

'The law states that the police must send the NIP within 14 days of the offence, not including the day it happened. So, the NIP you receive must be dated within 14 days of the offence. If it is dated outside of this time, the notice is invalid.'

With the offer of contesting it in Court, and with me being guilty as charged, I really couldn't be arsed to challenge it that far, so yes, I did give in to their intimidation. The reply stated that they would claim that it was sent in good time so why wouldn't they expect it to arrive on time. 

The wording should be along the lines of 'The NIP must be served to the driver or registered keeper of the offending vehicle within 14 days of the offence. Failure to serve the NIP within this time limit will result in the offence not proceeding at court.'
So, they lied to me, both times, even though it's there for all to see. 

No point me debating this as it was a few years back now and although I'm told I should have rejected them, which I did, I clearly didn't do it with enough commitment.
So, the Police misled me both times about only the date on the letter mattering, in writing. I survived the ordeal, I got over it, their intimidation worked on me. 

You caved. You were convicted because you plead guilty (by accepting the CoFP). You believed the police civilian whose job it is to maximise income and took the easy way out .

The law is clear. The NIP must be served within 14 days. Served means it's landed on your door mat. When posted by 1st class post the notice is presumed to have been delivered (served) two working days after it's posted. This is a rebuttal presumption - if you can show it didn't arrive within the 14 days for some reason then it wasn't served correctly and you have a cast iron defence. However you basically have to prove that it didn't arrive in time. A court won't believe you if you just stand up and say it didn't arrive - you have to be able to prove it didn't.

Proving it is tricky. However, if it's posted on (say) day 25, and that's a Thursday, then days 27 and 28 are a weekend, which aren't working days, so service can't be presumed. It could arrive on the Friday, and if you knew it had then it's purgery to claim it didn't. However if you don't know when it landed then the first presumed service is the Monday, which would be day 29.

On one of mine, proving it didn't arrive within 14 days would have been really easy. They dated it about six days after the offence, then they sent it to me .......... on the very same day that a Postal strike started.    I received it 31 days after the offence but still didn't fancy going to court to contest the rights and wrongs of it. I have an aversion to courts from my younger days.    I considered it a fair trade for some of the higher speeds that I'd hit and got away with. 

[STEMO]

.......
Anyway, no NIP yet, 11 days and counting. If it doesn't arrive, this will be three times in a row, although 43 is definitely the highest transgression.

Hopefully they missed you. 

As I've posted several times before, and several times I've been told I was a fool to give up so easily, two of my speeding NIP's were way beyond the 14 days arrival time. Both were camera van offences so I wasn't spoken to at the scene and both were in my own personal vehicle, registered to me. I challenged both on the advice of Pepipoo and sent off the pre-written letter stating the 14 day limit.

This is what I received back both times:

'The law states that the police must send the NIP within 14 days of the offence, not including the day it happened. So, the NIP you receive must be dated within 14 days of the offence. If it is dated outside of this time, the notice is invalid.'

With the offer of contesting it in Court, and with me being guilty as charged, I really couldn't be arsed to challenge it that far, so yes, I did give in to their intimidation. The reply stated that they would claim that it was sent in good time so why wouldn't they expect it to arrive on time. 

The wording should be along the lines of 'The NIP must be served to the driver or registered keeper of the offending vehicle within 14 days of the offence. Failure to serve the NIP within this time limit will result in the offence not proceeding at court.'
So, they lied to me, both times, even though it's there for all to see. 

No point me debating this as it was a few years back now and although I'm told I should have rejected them, which I did, I clearly didn't do it with enough commitment.
So, the Police misled me both times about only the date on the letter mattering, in writing. I survived the ordeal, I got over it, their intimidation worked on me. 

Don't feel bad about it. If a NIP lands on my doormat 15, 16 or even 17 days after the offence, I will not contest it. Mostly because I really can't see how I could prove it was late, but also because I was speeding. I'm just hopeful that, if it doesn't arrive within the time limit, there's a reasonable chance it won't arrive at all.

[BazaJT]

Seems to me you're all a bunch of villains not like us honest law abiding citizens here in Scunny

[Rangie]

Us poor old pensioners should be excluded from speeding fines as most of the time we don't even remember using the car..😂

[STEMO]

Postie has been.....no NIP. 

[Rangie]

Postie has been.....no NIP. 

.   



Everything crossed for you, hate those money grabbing bastards.

[Nick W]

Postie has been.....no NIP. 

.   



Everything crossed for you, hate those money grabbing bastards.

That's only true for foreign sourced parcels.....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

.......
Anyway, no NIP yet, 11 days and counting. If it doesn't arrive, this will be three times in a row, although 43 is definitely the highest transgression.

Hopefully they missed you. 

As I've posted several times before, and several times I've been told I was a fool to give up so easily, two of my speeding NIP's were way beyond the 14 days arrival time. Both were camera van offences so I wasn't spoken to at the scene and both were in my own personal vehicle, registered to me. I challenged both on the advice of Pepipoo and sent off the pre-written letter stating the 14 day limit.

This is what I received back both times:

'The law states that the police must send the NIP within 14 days of the offence, not including the day it happened. So, the NIP you receive must be dated within 14 days of the offence. If it is dated outside of this time, the notice is invalid.'

With the offer of contesting it in Court, and with me being guilty as charged, I really couldn't be arsed to challenge it that far, so yes, I did give in to their intimidation. The reply stated that they would claim that it was sent in good time so why wouldn't they expect it to arrive on time. 

The wording should be along the lines of 'The NIP must be served to the driver or registered keeper of the offending vehicle within 14 days of the offence. Failure to serve the NIP within this time limit will result in the offence not proceeding at court.'
So, they lied to me, both times, even though it's there for all to see. 

No point me debating this as it was a few years back now and although I'm told I should have rejected them, which I did, I clearly didn't do it with enough commitment.
So, the Police misled me both times about only the date on the letter mattering, in writing. I survived the ordeal, I got over it, their intimidation worked on me. 

Don't feel bad about it. If a NIP lands on my doormat 15, 16 or even 17 days after the offence, I will not contest it. Mostly because I really can't see how I could prove it was late, but also because I was speeding. I'm just hopeful that, if it doesn't arrive within the time limit, there's a reasonable chance it won't arrive at all.

What if it arrives 25 or 30 days after the event?

[Sir Tigger KC]

.......
Anyway, no NIP yet, 11 days and counting. If it doesn't arrive, this will be three times in a row, although 43 is definitely the highest transgression.

Hopefully they missed you. 

As I've posted several times before, and several times I've been told I was a fool to give up so easily, two of my speeding NIP's were way beyond the 14 days arrival time. Both were camera van offences so I wasn't spoken to at the scene and both were in my own personal vehicle, registered to me. I challenged both on the advice of Pepipoo and sent off the pre-written letter stating the 14 day limit.

This is what I received back both times:

'The law states that the police must send the NIP within 14 days of the offence, not including the day it happened. So, the NIP you receive must be dated within 14 days of the offence. If it is dated outside of this time, the notice is invalid.'

With the offer of contesting it in Court, and with me being guilty as charged, I really couldn't be arsed to challenge it that far, so yes, I did give in to their intimidation. The reply stated that they would claim that it was sent in good time so why wouldn't they expect it to arrive on time. 

The wording should be along the lines of 'The NIP must be served to the driver or registered keeper of the offending vehicle within 14 days of the offence. Failure to serve the NIP within this time limit will result in the offence not proceeding at court.'
So, they lied to me, both times, even though it's there for all to see. 

No point me debating this as it was a few years back now and although I'm told I should have rejected them, which I did, I clearly didn't do it with enough commitment.
So, the Police misled me both times about only the date on the letter mattering, in writing. I survived the ordeal, I got over it, their intimidation worked on me. 

Don't feel bad about it. If a NIP lands on my doormat 15, 16 or even 17 days after the offence, I will not contest it. Mostly because I really can't see how I could prove it was late, but also because I was speeding. I'm just hopeful that, if it doesn't arrive within the time limit, there's a reasonable chance it won't arrive at all.

What if it arrives 25 or 30 days after the event?

That depends on the date of the NIP.

If its dated later than the 14 days then you have a good case, but dated within the 14 days and with time for delivery it then gets tricky as you then have to prove it was late. 

Postmarks don't have dates anymore I think?