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Title: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 07:56:21
This is not going to sound like me at all, but here goes:
The wife is having to go into school to look after key workers children, probably for the duration of the emergency. Yesterday, after watching news reports from Italy and Spain, we decided that most people, including us, were not taking the situation seriously enough, so we thought we'd put some rules in place.
The reasoning behind this, for us, is because we are an interdependent family of three, the loss or incapacity of any one would make life seriously bad for the other two. A bit dramatic, maybe, but why take unnecessary risks?
I'm picking up my son from Sheffield uni tomorrow afternoon and he will get a stern talking to. 20 year olds don't really take this kind of thing seriously but, after I've told him how shit his life would be without me to ferry him around, feed him, wash and iron his clothes, etc., I'm sure he will take notice.
We will be doing the obvious things like washing hands whenever we come into the house (I'll be an absolute pain enforcing that), and general good personal hygiene. After every use of cutlery/ crockery, the person using it will put it in the dishwasher, ready for the hot treatment. Other things around the house, but you get the picture.
Whilst I'm still allowed, I'll be walking doggie away from my usual busy country park, around the fields at the end of the road. When I go out at the moment, the world and his mate are stroking and feeding her.
I'm going to try to use Iceland and other small supermarkets instead of the daily scrum at Asda. Dog walks and shopping will be my only reasons to go out.

You'll all have your own opinions about this, ranging from 'Wussie bastid' to 'Seems quite obvious/sensible', but each to their own.

Any tips/advice/tales of your particular adventure would be very welcome. Despite my abrasive tone from time to time, I think the world of you all. Please stay safe.  :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 March 2020, 08:00:55
Sounds to me like your wife needs to develop a dry cough and a temperature to get her excused from babysitting detail. ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 08:07:29
Sounds to me like your wife needs to develop a dry cough and a temperature to get her excused from babysitting detail. ;)
Don't think we haven't thought about that, Kevin, but, if teachers start doing that, then it's taking nurses and doctors out of the system.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 08:10:28
Another one: Wife just came in clutching the electric toothbrush and said "I've had this in my mouth with slobbery toothpaste running down over......".
Stop! I'll buy another pack of plastic ones today for me. Yuk.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 March 2020, 08:27:07
Far too many are still not taking this seriously enough sadly.  :-\

Take a look at this for example (video should play even without an account). Just yesterday and no doubt today as well. Heaving with “tourists” looking for a good time without a care for anyone else.

https://www.facebook.com/94064362075/posts/10157187772387076/?vh=e&d=n

(If you watch it to near the end you’ll notice someone putting parking tickets on the cars  :y )

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/crowds-gather-snowdon-mountain-rescuers-17959085
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 March 2020, 08:43:01
Sounds to me like your wife needs to develop a dry cough and a temperature to get her excused from babysitting detail. ;)
Don't think we haven't thought about that, Kevin, but, if teachers start doing that, then it's taking nurses and doctors out of the system.
True, but is it sensible that that task falls to teachers with an "elderly relative" at home? ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Andy B on 22 March 2020, 09:22:13
My wife works in ASDA so is in direct contact with the public (and the minority that live local have a reputation for not being the cleanest   :-X)
And daughter works in an ICU as a nurse so as no option of who she's in contact with either.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: YZ250 on 22 March 2020, 09:42:58
We are in a very awkward situation ourselves. Both of my elderly parents are disabled, my Dad (90) can just about get around on a frame but my Mum (84) is chair bound after suffering a stroke over two years ago. We have to take them ready meals for the week, sanitize the house and generally tidy up/scrub everything clean. This was our routine way before the corona virus, but we are still doing it now as usual. Our problem is that my parents have two carers coming in four times a day. This puts my parents at risk, us at risk, and ultimately my children and grandchildren at risk. I'm washing my hands thoroughly after every time I touch something in their house (you'd be surprised at how often you do touch something) but I can't just not visit as they wouldn't survive without us. Carers will put a meal in the microwave but the food needs to be there in the first place. My biggest fear is picking something up over their house and passing it on to my children/grandchildren, for which I could never forgive myself.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Rangie on 22 March 2020, 09:50:12
This is not going to sound like me at all, but here goes:
The wife is having to go into school to look after key workers children, probably for the duration of the emergency. Yesterday, after watching news reports from Italy and Spain, we decided that most people, including us, were not taking the situation seriously enough, so we thought we'd put some rules in place.
The reasoning behind this, for us, is because we are an interdependent family of three, the loss or incapacity of any one would make life seriously bad for the other two. A bit dramatic, maybe, but why take unnecessary risks?
I'm picking up my son from Sheffield uni tomorrow afternoon and he will get a stern talking to. 20 year olds don't really take this kind of thing seriously but, after I've told him how shit his life would be without me to ferry him around, feed him, wash and iron his clothes, etc., I'm sure he will take notice.
We will be doing the obvious things like washing hands whenever we come into the house (I'll be an absolute pain enforcing that), and general good personal hygiene. After every use of cutlery/ crockery, the person using it will put it in the dishwasher, ready for the hot treatment. Other things around the house, but you get the picture.
Whilst I'm still allowed, I'll be walking doggie away from my usual busy country park, around the fields at the end of the road. When I go out at the moment, the world and his mate are stroking and feeding her.
I'm going to try to use Iceland and other small supermarkets instead of the daily scrum at Asda. Dog walks and shopping will be my only reasons to go out.

You'll all have your own opinions about this, ranging from 'Wussie bastid' to 'Seems quite obvious/sensible', but each to their own.

Any tips/advice/tales of your particular adventure would be very welcome. Despite my abrasive tone from time to time, I think the world of you all. Please stay safe.  :-*
     


Stemo we are virtually identical here apart from a 20 year old to ferry about, my other half once worked as a microbiologist and has said repeatedly that a lot of folk do not seem to realise the gravity of the situation we are now in.
Hope you & all of your family stay safe.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 22 March 2020, 09:55:25
A difficult time for most people who are taking this seriously  :-X

will the lad be under house arrest ? worth considering and show him the footage of Italy etc
downside is teenagers do use up your toilet roll stash  :-X

most disinfectant contains Benzalkonium Chloride (the active ingredient in non alcohol foaming hand sanitizer)
mixed in a garden sprayer ,or re-used household trigger spray bottle etc ....
you can quickly blast door handles,letter box,wheely bin ,dust bins etc etc
(you may have seen news footage of workers spraying everything)
you can also have a cloth,soaked in this disinfectant solution in a zip bag in your pocket
(to wipe car door handle,steering wheel,knob  ::) shopping trolley handle,hand rail etc etc )
you could add disinfectant to babywipes to do the same job , but that is not very green  :P
if you do come in contact with the great unwashed, wash your clothes .
covering your mouth with a scalf ,mask won't filter out what you breathe in ,but will reduce how much spit/germs you put out if talking.
stick a "no cold callers " type note on your door
avoid people if at all possible  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 March 2020, 09:56:00
Mine has just been put on a course of strong steroids, which will knock out her immune system, which makes her a very high risk of catching Covid.
From yesterday she is confined to the house, but before she went into lockdown she wanted to go to Sainsburys when they opened at 6am on Friday, as she cant trust me to do the shopping for the next couple of months.
We got there just before they opened and there was at least 100 people already in the queue. When it opened there were no toilet rolls (of course), no pasta, almost none of the basic essentials, and all beer was gone apart from SOL, so I had to have a case of that.
On the way home we went to a couple of small local independent shops were we managed to get some longlife milk and some other bits & pieces.
I went to Tesco Witham on the way to work yesterday morning and managed to get a few more items on her list. I noticed that all the pet food shelves were empty in there, so presumably people in Witham really love their pets.
The only risk swmbo will have now is me bringing it into the house will be from me.
My workplace have sent home approx. Half the workforce, with brand new laptops so they can work from home. I arrive at work as the others are leaving for home, so I can avoid close contact with anyone I hope.
Work have also bought £15000 worth of alcohol wipes, tubs of which are placed all around the building and are being used to clean anything and everything, so hopefully we will be ok.
Im a bit concerned about our daughter. Although she is now working from home, she lives in central London and is a severe asthmatic.
She is going around shops, wearing gloves and a facemask, trying to get a bit of a stock of food, but with little success so far.
She normally either eats out, uses Deliveroo, or buys her food on a daily basis, so never has much food in her flat at any given time.
When you see that the UK  trajectory for fatalities is actually on a slightly more upward curve than Italy was a few weeks ago, its pretty worrying.
Daughter has ordered herself a nebuliser for home use, but I don't know if that would help if she caught it, and I doubt Ventilators are a realistic or even available option for individuals to use.
One concern we don't have is Loo rolls. At the end of last year swmbo spotted her favourite brand online at a much lower price than she normally pays so she ordered a huge amount (250 - 300 iirc) of them in one hit. I was pissed off at the time, due to the amount of space they take up. Im not pissed off now though.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 22 March 2020, 09:59:40
another tip ,as i have said previously , think of everything outside your safe areas as having WET PAINT on,
don't touch your own things until you get the paint off your hands with sanitizer etc
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 March 2020, 10:01:18
No use to me Dave. Im forever touching wet paint. Even though it was me who did the painting five minutes ago.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 22 March 2020, 10:10:19
My plan has been in operation since the 3 rd March but isnt going well. Avoiding other people, not touching door handles plus a host of other sensible measures.

The first two weeks were spent visiting my dad twice a day in hospital and my brother p.m. All with social distancing.  Plus dejunking dads house and stocking cupboards up with stuff for Boris’s over 70s isolate for up to four months. Fortunately I was ahead of the curve there. Didn't need toilet rolls , the cupboard already had enough. This last week has been first week of proper isolation,

During the second week he developed a cough with gallons of catarrh. Eight days ago I caught it . Bloody thing is a grim beast . Head ache, shivers, hot, .no runny nose but some episodes of spitting out or blowing industrial quantities of snot. My left eye has.   exploded red. Back home I would already have had a visit to my GP. I am going to a chemist today for hopefully some antibiotic drops or similar. Wish me luck there. Got to do something in case it is something serious.

Rest of the family and neighbours have stopped coming to visit except from outside the window. SIL works on customer service at a large local supermarket. Yesterday was 7.30 till 2 with 30 minute break. She might well have been in contact with an infected person by now.

One upcoming problem is I have organised for dad’s bathroom to be wet roomed. CV19 has helped. The council just postponed all his jobs with them. He can do it in two weeks - about ten days of supreme disruption. That will be a trial but hopefully let him live here for more years assuming he avoids falling......( my big hope is there won’t be a lockdown to stop him. Fairly sure there will be though)

I am having fresh food delivered by a previously set up acct with a supermarket. I also took out an Amazon prime ( free for30 days) Have used it to buy a ton of needed stuff like dossette box. I am still stunned at stuff ordered in the evening arrive the next morning including my firestick. Set that up last night and started watching stuff.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 22 March 2020, 10:11:44
No use to me Dave. Im forever touching wet paint. Even though it was me who did the painting five minutes ago.
OK, think of the wet paint as a KILLER VIRUS that will wipe out humanity  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 March 2020, 10:46:15
I cant believe how quiet the roads are. Its like 1960,s levels of traffic. The road outside where I work has had a constant stream of bikers hooning it up the road, taking advantage of the lack of cars.
Jealous ? Me?...……..Very much so.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 22 March 2020, 11:07:36
I cant believe how quiet the roads are. Its like 1960,s levels of traffic. The road outside where I work has had a constant stream of bikers hooning it up the road, taking advantage of the lack of cars.
Jealous ? Me?...……..Very much so.
Indeed , i hung up my leathers 20 years ago due to the increase in traffic and drivers complete lack of consideration/understanding .
would be nice to take my bike out now (sold many moons ago)
i'd probably wipe out ,half kill myself  and intensive care or hospital is quite busy right now  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: biggriffin on 22 March 2020, 11:15:37
Sounds to me like your wife needs to develop a dry cough and a temperature to get her excused from babysitting detail. ;)


 So when you or any member of your family, get infected, and the nurse/doctor etc can't treat them, because they have to stay home to babysit there children, Think... Or when you need food and can't get because the warehouse can't get staff to load/unload or drivers to deliver it,, ...  That's why the schools are open for key we workers...
 
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 11:41:10
My plan has been in operation since the 3 rd March but isnt going well. Avoiding other people, not touching door handles plus a host of other sensible measures.

The first two weeks were spent visiting my dad twice a day in hospital and my brother p.m. All with social distancing.  Plus dejunking dads house and stocking cupboards up with stuff for Boris’s over 70s isolate for up to four months. Fortunately I was ahead of the curve there. Didn't need toilet rolls , the cupboard already had enough. This last week has been first week of proper isolation,

During the second week he developed a cough with gallons of catarrh. Eight days ago I caught it . Bloody thing is a grim beast . Head ache, shivers, hot, .no runny nose but some episodes of spitting out or blowing industrial quantities of snot. My left eye has.   exploded red. Back home I would already have had a visit to my GP. I am going to a chemist today for hopefully some antibiotic drops or similar. Wish me luck there. Got to do something in case it is something serious.

Rest of the family and neighbours have stopped coming to visit except from outside the window. SIL works on customer service at a large local supermarket. Yesterday was 7.30 till 2 with 30 minute break. She might well have been in contact with an infected person by now.

One upcoming problem is I have organised for dad’s bathroom to be wet roomed. CV19 has helped. The council just postponed all his jobs with them. He can do it in two weeks - about ten days of supreme disruption. That will be a trial but hopefully let him live here for more years assuming he avoids falling......( my big hope is there won’t be a lockdown to stop him. Fairly sure there will be though)

I am having fresh food delivered by a previously set up acct with a supermarket. I also took out an Amazon prime ( free for30 days) Have used it to buy a ton of needed stuff like dossette box. I am still stunned at stuff ordered in the evening arrive the next morning including my firestick. Set that up last night and started watching stuff.
Bloody hell, Varche, your condition sounds nasty. Hope you feel a bit better soon.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 11:46:30
With regards to food, we called in Iceland after dog walking duties. It was relatively quiet and, even though I know some people would look down on their ready meals, they had plenty of them and they are certainly convenient if there's not much else.
They are a way of getting something inside you if you're feeling grotty too.




Thanks for the tip about the disinfectant, Dave, think I've got a bottle tucked under the sink somewhere  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 11:48:00


During the second week he developed a cough with gallons of catarrh. Eight days ago I caught it . Bloody thing is a grim beast . Head ache, shivers, hot, .no runny nose but some episodes of spitting out or blowing industrial quantities of snot. My left eye has.   exploded red. Back home I would already have had a visit to my GP. I am going to a chemist today for hopefully some antibiotic drops or similar. Wish me luck there. Got to do something in case it is something serious.



Er... Aren't these symptoms of CV-19?  ???  :-\  ::) 
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 12:30:54


During the second week he developed a cough with gallons of catarrh. Eight days ago I caught it . Bloody thing is a grim beast . Head ache, shivers, hot, .no runny nose but some episodes of spitting out or blowing industrial quantities of snot. My left eye has.   exploded red. Back home I would already have had a visit to my GP. I am going to a chemist today for hopefully some antibiotic drops or similar. Wish me luck there. Got to do something in case it is something serious.



Er... Aren't these symptoms of CV-19?  ???  :-\  ::)
The absence of the chesty cough probably means it's just a really heavy cold but, if he lived around here, I'd certainly be giving him a wide berth.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 22 March 2020, 12:32:50

Thanks for the tip about the disinfectant, Dave, think I've got a bottle tucked under the sink somewhere  :y
I should add , read the small print on the bottle  , dilute down ,a little goes a long way
aim for 0.1- 0.2 % Benzalkonium Chloride solution
or everything will stink of fake pine smell  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 22 March 2020, 12:36:04
Yes, the thought has occurred to me more than once. They don’t mention biblical gallons of catarrh though so I am hoping it is a head cold.

Just got back from chemists. Very helpful and patient guy clearly run off his feet. He assured me the eye was nothing to be concerned about but to monitor my blood pressure. We already do that in Spain ( everyone is expected to).  What was interesting was the lack of over the counter meds like aspirin, paracetamols, cold cures and the like. Got plenty of Viagra and condoms. Maybe folk are too involved in panic buying to engage in leisurely pursuits. :o

Don’t worry I already have been giving people a wide berth for last 19 days! I skipped the greeting by touching feet or elbows. Far too close.....
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 13:46:33
With all this obsessional hand wringing and hand washing I reckon  therapy for OCD will cost the NHS billions after this has all blown over.....which it will. ;) :D

My take on events.

Yes. We all need to be vigilant and responsible but I think we are starting to reach a tipping point where paranoia and fear are taking over from rational logical thinking.This to me is far more worrying than the virus. Objective reporting of the virus would be good but sadly all media outlets like the news of the day to be 'sensational'......  much like a headline from that famous redtop.....The Sun. 'Gotcha' springs to mind.

It looks as though China is getting the virus under control following 3000 death from a population of 1.45 billion. Probably a large number of these would have died of  seasonal flu anyway.

Other family members to be concerned about? Which was the meat of STMO's post.

My elderly parents passed away some years ago. So no concerns for me there, unlike some others here at OOF, as the elderly are far more at risk.

Although I rarely, if ever, mention  'the product of my loins' ;D I have been married several times (at least, it seems) and have 'a small collection' of adult children'. With one or two exceptions from the more intelligent amongst them relations have not been great, or even good, for a long time. :-X They live their own lives, are fit and healthy and will be fine. Nuff said. :-X

I also have a 2 year old son who lives with his mother and 'her fella' :-X I currently pay £500 PCM ( not to mention the cost of new laptops) which I think is very generous.This figure is reviewed and mutually agreed every 12 months to keep money-grabbing solicitors and other assorted  legal professionals out of the financial equation .F*uckers. :-\ Being very young my understanding is that the Opti nipper is in a very low risk category......although obviously I am still concerned, but not paranoid. :y

I feel this virus is bringing out both the best and the worst in human nature. While some people are selfless and altruistic, others are selfish f*uckers.

I really hope this virus doesn't turn us all into 'frightened selfish children'.........we'll be fine. :y

And.....oh yes, STMO......you are a big northern jessie. :D ;D ;D   
 




 

 
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 14:33:44
I've been going about my business pretty much as normal up till now and if anything a bit more than usual in the expectation that I will be staying at home more.  As mentioned in the other thread I have for some time now chucked 'something extra' in the basket when shopping so I have plenty of supplies.  I think tomorrow I'll make a foray out to buy some DIY supplies and then will only go out for essentials or to places where I can stay away from people.

I'm generally fit and healthy and almost never get colds, coughs etc and when I have been ill it's almost always been something nasty or life threatening.  Malaria two or three times,  cancer and even scabies!  Don't get that! Its horrible!  :o  ::)

The thing is that I don't really know how the six months of chemotherapy has affected my immune system long term and if I catch it, whether I could fight this thing off.  :-\

I'm not particularly worried about it though.  I'll be careful and what will be will be...  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 14:40:53
I've been going about my business pretty much as normal up till now and if anything a bit more than usual in the expectation that I will be staying at home more.  As mentioned in the other thread I have for some time now chucked 'something extra' in the basket when shopping so I have plenty of supplies.  I think tomorrow I'll make a foray out to buy some DIY supplies and then will only go out for essentials or to places where I can stay away from people.

I'm generally fit and healthy and almost never get colds, coughs etc and when I have been ill it's almost always been something nasty or life threatening.  Malaria two or three times,  cancer and even scabies!  Don't get that! Its horrible!  :o  ::)

The thing is that I don't really know how the six months of chemotherapy has affected my immune system long term and if I catch it, whether I could fight this thing off.  :-\

I'm not particularly worried about it though.  I'll be careful and what will be will be...  :)

Don't worry, Sir Tig. It will take the old ones like STMO first. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 14:45:40
I've been going about my business pretty much as normal up till now and if anything a bit more than usual in the expectation that I will be staying at home more.  As mentioned in the other thread I have for some time now chucked 'something extra' in the basket when shopping so I have plenty of supplies.  I think tomorrow I'll make a foray out to buy some DIY supplies and then will only go out for essentials or to places where I can stay away from people.

I'm generally fit and healthy and almost never get colds, coughs etc and when I have been ill it's almost always been something nasty or life threatening.  Malaria two or three times,  cancer and even scabies!  Don't get that! Its horrible!  :o  ::)

The thing is that I don't really know how the six months of chemotherapy has affected my immune system long term and if I catch it, whether I could fight this thing off.  :-\

I'm not particularly worried about it though.  I'll be careful and what will be will be...  :)

Don't worry, Sir Tig. It will take the old ones like STMO first. :y

Not worried M'lud, I've seen off the Grim Reaper at least once already!  :y

Although with various escapades, near misses etc I must have nearly used up my nine lives by now!  ;D

Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 14:47:48
I've been going about my business pretty much as normal up till now and if anything a bit more than usual in the expectation that I will be staying at home more.  As mentioned in the other thread I have for some time now chucked 'something extra' in the basket when shopping so I have plenty of supplies.  I think tomorrow I'll make a foray out to buy some DIY supplies and then will only go out for essentials or to places where I can stay away from people.

I'm generally fit and healthy and almost never get colds, coughs etc and when I have been ill it's almost always been something nasty or life threatening.  Malaria two or three times,  cancer and even scabies!  Don't get that! Its horrible!  :o  ::)

The thing is that I don't really know how the six months of chemotherapy has affected my immune system long term and if I catch it, whether I could fight this thing off.  :-\

I'm not particularly worried about it though.  I'll be careful and what will be will be...  :)

Don't worry, Sir Tig. It will take the old ones like STMO first. :y

Not worried M'lud, I've seen off the Grim Reaper at least once already!  :y

That's the ticket. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 22 March 2020, 15:01:42
This is not going to sound like me at all, but here goes:
The wife is having to go into school to look after key workers children, probably for the duration of the emergency. Yesterday, after watching news reports from Italy and Spain, we decided that most people, including us, were not taking the situation seriously enough, so we thought we'd put some rules in place.
The reasoning behind this, for us, is because we are an interdependent family of three, the loss or incapacity of any one would make life seriously bad for the other two. A bit dramatic, maybe, but why take unnecessary risks?
I'm picking up my son from Sheffield uni tomorrow afternoon and he will get a stern talking to. 20 year olds don't really take this kind of thing seriously but, after I've told him how shit his life would be without me to ferry him around, feed him, wash and iron his clothes, etc., I'm sure he will take notice.
We will be doing the obvious things like washing hands whenever we come into the house (I'll be an absolute pain enforcing that), and general good personal hygiene. After every use of cutlery/ crockery, the person using it will put it in the dishwasher, ready for the hot treatment. Other things around the house, but you get the picture.
Whilst I'm still allowed, I'll be walking doggie away from my usual busy country park, around the fields at the end of the road. When I go out at the moment, the world and his mate are stroking and feeding her.
I'm going to try to use Iceland and other small supermarkets instead of the daily scrum at Asda. Dog walks and shopping will be my only reasons to go out.

You'll all have your own opinions about this, ranging from 'Wussie bastid' to 'Seems quite obvious/sensible', but each to their own.

Any tips/advice/tales of your particular adventure would be very welcome. Despite my abrasive tone from time to time, I think the world of you all. Please stay safe.  :-*

That seems like a great plan Steve, given your circumstances.  8) 8) :y

That is how we all must go with this; protect those around us whilst keeping our distance away from home if we are not isolated already.  ;)

I also admire how Steve's wife, and thousands of others, are going to keep the nation going and even make personal sacrifices. They are bloody marvellous! 8) 8) :-* :-* :y :y

Thank God we have such people out there, and not all the selfish bastards that have hoarded more than they will ever need, or are ignoring the National advice to think of others. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 15:06:12
With all this obsessional hand wringing and hand washing I reckon  therapy for OCD will cost the NHS billions after this has all blown over.....which it will. ;) :D

My take on events.

Yes. We all need to be vigilant and responsible but I think we are starting to reach a tipping point where paranoia and fear are taking over from rational logical thinking.This to me is far more worrying than the virus. Objective reporting of the virus would be good but sadly all media outlets like the news of the day to be 'sensational'......  much like a headline from that famous redtop.....The Sun. 'Gotcha' springs to mind.

It looks as though China is getting the virus under control following 3000 death from a population of 1.45 billion. Probably a large number of these would have died of  seasonal flu anyway.

Other family members to be concerned about? Which was the meat of STMO's post.

My elderly parents passed away some years ago. So no concerns for me there, unlike some others here at OOF, as the elderly are far more at risk.

Although I rarely, if ever, mention  'the product of my loins' ;D I have been married several times (at least, it seems) and have 'a small collection' of adult children'. With one or two exceptions from the more intelligent amongst them relations have not been great, or even good, for a long time. :-X They live their own lives, are fit and healthy and will be fine. Nuff said. :-X

I also have a 2 year old son who lives with his mother and 'her fella' :-X I currently pay £500 PCM ( not to mention the cost of new laptops) which I think is very generous.This figure is reviewed and mutually agreed every 12 months to keep money-grabbing solicitors and other assorted  legal professionals out of the financial equation .F*uckers. :-\ Being very young my understanding is that the Opti nipper is in a very low risk category......although obviously I am still concerned, but not paranoid. :y

I feel this virus is bringing out both the best and the worst in human nature. While some people are selfless and altruistic, others are selfish f*uckers.

I really hope this virus doesn't turn us all into 'frightened selfish children'.........we'll be fine. :y

And.....oh yes, STMO......you are a big northern jessie. :D ;D ;D   
 




 
You bounder! A two year old. You've gone right up in my estimation  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Steve B on 22 March 2020, 15:16:30
With all this obsessional hand wringing and hand washing I reckon  therapy for OCD will cost the NHS billions after this has all blown over.....which it will. ;) :D

My take on events.

Yes. We all need to be vigilant and responsible but I think we are starting to reach a tipping point where paranoia and fear are taking over from rational logical thinking.This to me is far more worrying than the virus. Objective reporting of the virus would be good but sadly all media outlets like the news of the day to be 'sensational'......  much like a headline from that famous redtop.....The Sun. 'Gotcha' springs to mind.

It looks as though China is getting the virus under control following 3000 death from a population of 1.45 billion. Probably a large number of these would have died of  seasonal flu anyway.

Other family members to be concerned about? Which was the meat of STMO's post.

My elderly parents passed away some years ago. So no concerns for me there, unlike some others here at OOF, as the elderly are far more at risk.

Although I rarely, if ever, mention  'the product of my loins' ;D I have been married several times (at least, it seems) and have 'a small collection' of adult children'. With one or two exceptions from the more intelligent amongst them relations have not been great, or even good, for a long time. :-X They live their own lives, are fit and healthy and will be fine. Nuff said. :-X

I also have a 2 year old son who lives with his mother and 'her fella' :-X I currently pay £500 PCM ( not to mention the cost of new laptops) which I think is very generous.This figure is reviewed and mutually agreed every 12 months to keep money-grabbing solicitors and other assorted  legal professionals out of the financial equation .F*uckers. :-\ Being very young my understanding is that the Opti nipper is in a very low risk category......although obviously I am still concerned, but not paranoid. :y

I feel this virus is bringing out both the best and the worst in human nature. While some people are selfless and altruistic, others are selfish f*uckers.

I really hope this virus doesn't turn us all into 'frightened selfish children'.........we'll be fine. :y

And.....oh yes, STMO......you are a big northern jessie. :D ;D ;D   
 




 
Oh how i wish you were right...But your not,they dont want us to see what is going on over there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi8L3Jvt2w0
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 15:21:02
With all this obsessional hand wringing and hand washing I reckon  therapy for OCD will cost the NHS billions after this has all blown over.....which it will. ;) :D

My take on events.

Yes. We all need to be vigilant and responsible but I think we are starting to reach a tipping point where paranoia and fear are taking over from rational logical thinking.This to me is far more worrying than the virus. Objective reporting of the virus would be good but sadly all media outlets like the news of the day to be 'sensational'......  much like a headline from that famous redtop.....The Sun. 'Gotcha' springs to mind.

It looks as though China is getting the virus under control following 3000 death from a population of 1.45 billion. Probably a large number of these would have died of  seasonal flu anyway.

Other family members to be concerned about? Which was the meat of STMO's post.

My elderly parents passed away some years ago. So no concerns for me there, unlike some others here at OOF, as the elderly are far more at risk.

Although I rarely, if ever, mention  'the product of my loins' ;D I have been married several times (at least, it seems) and have 'a small collection' of adult children'. With one or two exceptions from the more intelligent amongst them relations have not been great, or even good, for a long time. :-X They live their own lives, are fit and healthy and will be fine. Nuff said. :-X

I also have a 2 year old son who lives with his mother and 'her fella' :-X I currently pay £500 PCM ( not to mention the cost of new laptops) which I think is very generous.This figure is reviewed and mutually agreed every 12 months to keep money-grabbing solicitors and other assorted  legal professionals out of the financial equation .F*uckers. :-\ Being very young my understanding is that the Opti nipper is in a very low risk category......although obviously I am still concerned, but not paranoid. :y

I feel this virus is bringing out both the best and the worst in human nature. While some people are selfless and altruistic, others are selfish f*uckers.

I really hope this virus doesn't turn us all into 'frightened selfish children'.........we'll be fine. :y

And.....oh yes, STMO......you are a big northern jessie. :D ;D ;D   
 




 
You bounder! A two year old. You've gone right up in my estimation  ;D ;D

To be honest Steve, at times my behaviour leaves much to be desired.

But, to my credit, I do take financial responsibility for my 'human flaws'

Mrs Opti tells me I'm a bastard, but fortunately for me 'her kind of bastard' :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 15:25:34
Just received this from a friend:

DIRECTIONS
St George’s Hospital London

Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not
accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds.  If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection.  It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day.  These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes. Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY?  Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you. The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential. The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 15:28:03
Just received this from a friend:

DIRECTIONS
St George’s Hospital London

Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not
accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds.  If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection.  It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day.  These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.

Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes. Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY?  Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you. The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential. The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc

This bit. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 15:30:44
Yes, the advice on hydrogen peroxide needs watching, though. It's fickin powerful stuff.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 22 March 2020, 15:42:33
That is a great explanation on what to do Steve :y :y

This is now being circulated to my relatives :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Entwood on 22 March 2020, 17:47:06
Lots of bits in that post that are dangerously untrue ....  read here for why ...

https://fullfact.org/online/viral-posts-sharing-symptoms-and-treatments-covid-19-contain-false-information/
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 17:55:31

You bounder! A two year old. You've gone right up in my estimation  ;D ;D

Lord Opti is clearly a very handsome man to attract women of child bearing age at his time of life.  :y

The Jag helps of course!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: BazaJT on 22 March 2020, 18:01:32
I don't generally go out much anyway,but will still be making small adjustments in regards to that[e.g. ordering shopping on line and having it delivered rather than going to the supermarket in person]and I very very rarely get visitors/go visiting o no great hardship there.That only leaves me having to walk the dog[I may even cut that to just taking her on the garden] and as I have a pre-payment electricity meter once a month to the local shop to get that topped up.Whether ultimately this will prove enough remains to be seen.Battery on the car will probably got flat in that time but that's no big deal.My eldest daughter[who lives only a few miles from Stemo]normally works on the admin side at a school local to her has to keep working to help looking after key workers kids while my youngest daughter works in the petrol station of their local Tesco in Essex and has been told she has to keep working as she's a key worker.My son over in California has been working from home for at least the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 18:33:04
I don't generally go out much anyway,but will still be making small adjustments in regards to that[e.g. ordering shopping on line and having it delivered rather than going to the supermarket in person]and I very very rarely get visitors/go visiting o no great hardship there.That only leaves me having to walk the dog[I may even cut that to just taking her on the garden] and as I have a pre-payment electricity meter once a month to the local shop to get that topped up.Whether ultimately this will prove enough remains to be seen.Battery on the car will probably got flat in that time but that's no big deal.My eldest daughter[who lives only a few miles from Stemo]normally works on the admin side at a school local to her has to keep working to help looking after key workers kids while my youngest daughter works in the petrol station of their local Tesco in Essex and has been told she has to keep working as she's a key worker.My son over in California has been working from home for at least the last two weeks.

May be easier said than done, Mr Baza.

All the supermarkets we have tried are booked solid for 3 weeks, after which time there is no facility for further orders. :-\

Possibly different in your neck of the woods though. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: biggriffin on 22 March 2020, 18:50:52
Yes, the advice on hydrogen peroxide needs watching, though. It's fickin powerful stuff.


  Micro-bioligists, and virologist use a 10% bleach solution on all surfaces, why because ,"bleach kills every oppsing thing"  that was the exact way it was told to me by a research chemist, .. would I believe them  Yes.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: ronnyd on 22 March 2020, 18:55:06
I don't generally go out much anyway,but will still be making small adjustments in regards to that[e.g. ordering shopping on line and having it [/highlight]delivered rather than going to the supermarket in person]and I very very rarely get visitors/go visiting o no great hardship there.That only leaves me having to walk the dog[I may even cut that to just taking her on the garden] and as I have a pre-payment electricity meter once a month to the local shop to get that topped up.Whether ultimately this will prove enough remains to be seen.Battery on the car will probably got flat in that time but that's no big deal.My eldest daughter[who lives only a few miles from Stemo]normally works on the admin side at a school local to her has to keep working to help looking after key workers kids while my youngest daughter works in the petrol station of their local Tesco in Essex and has been told she has to keep working as she's a key worker.My son over in California has been working from home for at least the last two weeks.
Best of luck with that Baza :D My eldest tried for a home delivery and was quoted 3 weeks lead time. That,s a bloody long time to wait for something to wipe yer @rse on. ;D That's if it.s in the delivery anyway.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 19:03:50
I don't generally go out much anyway,but will still be making small adjustments in regards to that[e.g. ordering shopping on line and having it [/highlight]delivered rather than going to the supermarket in person]and I very very rarely get visitors/go visiting o no great hardship there.That only leaves me having to walk the dog[I may even cut that to just taking her on the garden] and as I have a pre-payment electricity meter once a month to the local shop to get that topped up.Whether ultimately this will prove enough remains to be seen.Battery on the car will probably got flat in that time but that's no big deal.My eldest daughter[who lives only a few miles from Stemo]normally works on the admin side at a school local to her has to keep working to help looking after key workers kids while my youngest daughter works in the petrol station of their local Tesco in Essex and has been told she has to keep working as she's a key worker.My son over in California has been working from home for at least the last two weeks.
Best of luck with that Baza :D My eldest tried for a home delivery and was quoted 3 weeks lead time. That,s a bloody long time to wait for something to wipe yer @rse on. ;D That's if it.s in the delivery anyway.

Yes. Now we are running low on bog roll I regret not having more pictures of Jeremy Kyle.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 19:08:10
That is a great explanation on what to do Steve :y :y

This is now being circulated to my relatives :)
I can't vouch for the accuracy, Lizzie. As I said, sent from a friend.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 March 2020, 19:51:53
That is a great explanation on what to do Steve :y :y

This is now being circulated to my relatives :)
I can't vouch for the accuracy, Lizzie. As I said, sent from a friend.
How shit gets spread around the interweb 101... ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 20:01:28
That is a great explanation on what to do Steve :y :y

This is now being circulated to my relatives :)
I can't vouch for the accuracy, Lizzie. As I said, sent from a friend.
How shit gets spread around the interweb 101... ::)
It'll go with all the other shit  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: BazaJT on 22 March 2020, 20:14:12
Hadn't thought of the lead times etc for on line delivery,suppose I'll just have to brave the supermarket in person[might be a good thing given my computer skills :D]As for bog roll if you run out cut an old towel-or similar-into suitable size and keep cleaning/re-using that,after all that's what my mother used to do with the terry towelling nappies in my pre-potty trained days.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 March 2020, 20:16:55
Hadn't thought of the lead times etc for on line delivery,suppose I'll just have to brave the supermarket in person[might be a good thing given my computer skills :D]As for bog roll if you run out cut an old towel-or similar-into suitable size and keep cleaning/re-using that,after all that's what my mother used to do with the terry towelling nappies in my pre-potty trained days.

I'm thinking of using the cloths I dry the car with. They are soft, strong, and very long ::)........and can go in the washing machine.

Not a major problem. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Viral_Jim on 22 March 2020, 20:17:20
For anyone that is struggling for soap/handwash, it seems that no one (or very few people) have tipped to the idea of using swarfega. Having had a brief look at the datasheet online, I see no reason why it wouldn't be just as effective as any regular soap, if not more so. Both Toolstation and Wickes are carrying stock of various hand pump varieties, as well as the traditional green goop in a jar.

That said, if you're a big soft jessie, you'd better get some hand cream too or your hands will be as rough as a badger's ar$e in a matter of days  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 20:22:43
Hadn't thought of the lead times etc for on line delivery,suppose I'll just have to brave the supermarket in person[might be a good thing given my computer skills :D]As for bog roll if you run out cut an old towel-or similar-into suitable size and keep cleaning/re-using that,after all that's what my mother used to do with the terry towelling nappies in my pre-potty trained days.

I'm thinking of using the cloths I dry the car with. They are soft, strong, and very long ::)........and can go in the washing machine.

Not a major problem. :y

Hang your arse over the bath and wash it with the shower.  :y

You can improve that by going Roman, with a sponge on a stick.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 20:59:05
Hadn't thought of the lead times etc for on line delivery,suppose I'll just have to brave the supermarket in person[might be a good thing given my computer skills :D]As for bog roll if you run out cut an old towel-or similar-into suitable size and keep cleaning/re-using that,after all that's what my mother used to do with the terry towelling nappies in my pre-potty trained days.

I'm thinking of using the cloths I dry the car with. They are soft, strong, and very long ::)........and can go in the washing machine.

Not a major problem. :y

Hang your arse over the bath and wash it with the shower.  :y

You can improve that by going Roman, with a sponge on a stick.  :)
I'd be very surprised if His Lordship doesn't have a bidet in each of his bathrooms.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 22 March 2020, 21:04:20

I'd be very surprised if His Lordship doesn't have a nubile throne maid in each of his bathrooms.
FTFY Uncle Stemo
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 21:04:57

I'd be very surprised if His Lordship doesn't have a nubile throne maid in each of his bathrooms.
FTFY Uncle Stemo
What's a throne maid?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 21:26:07
Wee Krankie on staying in! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4izGLdBAeY)  :)

Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 21:50:45
Wee Krankie on staying in! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4izGLdBAeY)  :)
;D ;D Thank god we can still have a giggle.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Andy B on 22 March 2020, 22:06:06
How does SWMBO stay 6'/2m away from a customer when receiving money/giving change?

And how do I stay away from the bloke I'm working with?
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 22 March 2020, 22:11:29
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Andy B on 22 March 2020, 22:22:26
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.

I feel for the staff & owners but I think I've used them a dozen times ever ..... apart from when the kids used to have birthday parties there  ;)

I'd have though they'd have been able to keep the drive thru' open  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 22:23:34
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.

That's the end of civilisation as we know it!  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 22 March 2020, 22:28:36
How does SWMBO stay 6'/2m away from a customer when receiving money/giving change?

And how do I stay away from the bloke I'm working with?

We are a bit slow on the uptake . Spanish supermarkets now are only taking card payments from the one family member shopping.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 March 2020, 22:54:03
Quote of the day:  :)

"Wash your hands as if you'd just been cutting chillies and then wanted to masturbate!"    ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Rangie on 22 March 2020, 23:17:17
Quote of the day:  :)

"Wash your hands as if you'd just been cutting chillies and then wanted to masturbate!"    ;D
   


Nothing quite like a stinging bell end, reminds me of my army days..
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: dave the builder on 23 March 2020, 00:03:16

I'd be very surprised if His Lordship doesn't have a nubile throne maid in each of his bathrooms.
FTFY Uncle Stemo
What's a throne maid?  ;D
Bit like a chamber maid
The "Throne" is what we call the shitter ,loo, toilet
maid ,a servant to attend to the needs of seated gentry
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 07:13:58
Just received this from a friend:

DIRECTIONS
St George’s Hospital London

Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not
accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds.  If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection.  It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day.  These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes. Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY?  Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you. The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential. The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc
I really must apologise for posting this without checking the facts, I feel like a fool. Please ignore the advice above, it appears to be (mostly) rubbish. It came from someone I trust, and probably the same for them.
Sorry  :-[
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 23 March 2020, 07:24:37
Don’t beat yourself up. There is loads of stuff like this around.

A nurse in the hospital two weeks ago gave me some good advice. Have a look at the official nhs site for accurate info. At the time I had concerns over delirium versus dementia in my dad.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: BazaJT on 23 March 2020, 07:43:24
Just got back in from walking the dog,although I've never done a traffic survey it seems there was the usual amount of traffic on the go.Only saw two other people on foot one seemed to have been to the local shop and the other was a jogger.Nearest any of us got to anyone else was at least 50ft,not because of distancing guidelines but simply because that's the way it worked out.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 March 2020, 09:45:35
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.

I feel for the staff & owners but I think I've used them a dozen times ever ..... apart from when the kids used to have birthday parties there  ;)

I'd have though they'd have been able to keep the drive thru' open  :-\ :-\
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: aaronjb on 23 March 2020, 09:57:12
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\

Seems like all drive-thrus are closing - Costa, McDonalds, etc etc.. as you say, soon the only option will be home cooked food or home cooked food (or starve), regardless of where you are.

Will be making one last trip to the Costa drive-thru before it closes tonight ;D other than that, nothing really changes; we'll go out to the supermarket when we need food (because there's no alternative), potter about the house until we run out of things to clean/tidy/trim/etc, work from home during the week (which I already did). Nothing will change even when/if the Army are deployed (do we still have an army? Presumably they'll have to call all the Terries in as well) to keep us all in our homes, because we'll still need to eat (which means going to the supermarket, unless the Army will also be delivering rations).


Suppose we could just do what China do (which I keep seeing people shouting about as being the answer to everything on arsebook) - shoot/disappear the infected.. I'm guessing those suggesting it wouldn't like it much when their parents/grandparents "disappeared" ::)

While I'm ranting - this whole thing just seems to be another excuse for people to call anyone who disagrees with their personal point of view a retard/idiot/dick/etc; just like Brexit it's "If you don't agree with me then you don't deserve to exist!"

Christ, people are annoying.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 10:23:39
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\

Seems like all drive-thrus are closing - Costa, McDonalds, etc etc.. as you say, soon the only option will be home cooked food or home cooked food (or starve), regardless of where you are.

Will be making one last trip to the Costa drive-thru before it closes tonight ;D other than that, nothing really changes; we'll go out to the supermarket when we need food (because there's no alternative), potter about the house until we run out of things to clean/tidy/trim/etc, work from home during the week (which I already did). Nothing will change even when/if the Army are deployed (do we still have an army? Presumably they'll have to call all the Terries in as well) to keep us all in our homes, because we'll still need to eat (which means going to the supermarket, unless the Army will also be delivering rations).


Suppose we could just do what China do (which I keep seeing people shouting about as being the answer to everything on arsebook) - shoot/disappear the infected.. I'm guessing those suggesting it wouldn't like it much when their parents/grandparents "disappeared" ::)

While I'm ranting - this whole thing just seems to be another excuse for people to call anyone who disagrees with their personal point of view a retard/idiot/dick/etc; just like Brexit it's "If you don't agree with me then you don't deserve to exist!"

Christ, people are annoying.
Hmmmmm........social isolation might continue even after the virus has disappeared.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Andy B on 23 March 2020, 10:35:51
.... ....
 the Costa drive-thru  ...

I didn't know that was a thing ....  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 March 2020, 10:50:39
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.

I feel for the staff & owners but I think I've used them a dozen times ever ..... apart from when the kids used to have birthday parties there  ;)

I'd have though they'd have been able to keep the drive thru' open  :-\ :-\
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\

Think of the money you'll save making your own sandwichs and taking a flask of coffee to work.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 11:02:51
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.

I feel for the staff & owners but I think I've used them a dozen times ever ..... apart from when the kids used to have birthday parties there  ;)

I'd have though they'd have been able to keep the drive thru' open  :-\ :-\
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\

Think of the money you'll save making your own sandwichs and taking a flask of coffee to work.  ;)
When things settle down, you'll have twice as much money as you had previously. Unfortunately, a 99p cheeseburger will be £1.99.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: aaronjb on 23 March 2020, 11:08:21
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/2010_and_2020.png)

(For those who don't follow the news - in 2010, 1BTC was $0.08, in 2020 it was .. well, all over the shop, but several thousand dollars)
(For those who live in a cave, bitcoin is a kind of currency, like the pound, dollar etc. ;D)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 March 2020, 11:29:56
Macdonalds closing from tomorrow.

I feel for the staff & owners but I think I've used them a dozen times ever ..... apart from when the kids used to have birthday parties there  ;)

I'd have though they'd have been able to keep the drive thru' open  :-\ :-\
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\

Think of the money you'll save not having a job to commute to.  ;)
Fixed.

Just been stood down for this shift pending contact from HR.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 23 March 2020, 12:10:47
I have just been into town to organise POA .managed to get one out of the two done .

Also went to Boots to buy some medical equipment.

I was shocked by
A how many people are just out having a wander
B how many folk dont know how far to be away from others.

People really are just selfish. They will bring on the lockdown which will then make life harder for people like me.

On the plus side there were some people  wearing masks and gloves.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 March 2020, 12:23:06
Gloves serve no useful purpose in this situation...  ::) you still touch things and spread germs around...
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 23 March 2020, 12:42:46
No gloves and no superflous people would serve a useful purpose. Stay at home.

I wish all the selfish, I don't give adamn folk could nominate their family members to be on the death list to save so eone whose family are doing the right things.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 12:44:50
I believe that was the plan :-\ I suspect that there will now not be anywhere to grab a sandwich or coffee at work :-\

Seems like all drive-thrus are closing - Costa, McDonalds, etc etc.. as you say, soon the only option will be home cooked food or home cooked food (or starve), regardless of where you are.

Will be making one last trip to the Costa drive-thru before it closes tonight ;D other than that, nothing really changes; we'll go out to the supermarket when we need food (because there's no alternative), potter about the house until we run out of things to clean/tidy/trim/etc, work from home during the week (which I already did). Nothing will change even when/if the Army are deployed (do we still have an army? Presumably they'll have to call all the Terries in as well) to keep us all in our homes, because we'll still need to eat (which means going to the supermarket, unless the Army will also be delivering rations).


Suppose we could just do what China do (which I keep seeing people shouting about as being the answer to everything on arsebook) - shoot/disappear the infected.. I'm guessing those suggesting it wouldn't like it much when their parents/grandparents "disappeared" ::)

While I'm ranting - this whole thing just seems to be another excuse for people to call anyone who disagrees with their personal point of view a retard/idiot/dick/etc; just like Brexit it's "If you don't agree with me then you don't deserve to exist!"

Christ, people are annoying.

There is going to be one hell of a baby boom 9 months from now. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: aaronjb on 23 March 2020, 13:07:51
A how many people are just out having a wander

How can you tell, were you stopping and asking them all?  ::)

Quote
B how many folk dont know how far to be away from others.

Still not convinced staying outside of gobbing distance is going to do much to help, to be honest, unless people are literally coughing on you, but OK.

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People really are just selfish. They will bring on the lockdown which will then make life harder for people like me.

Just people like you? No, it will be harder for everyone. Again, how do you know they're selfish? Newsflash - I bet they were looking at you thinking the exact same thing.

I wish all the selfish, I don't give adamn folk could nominate their family members to be on the death list to save so eone whose family are doing the right things.

Best you get back home, then. Order things on the Internet and don't go out so that everyone who doesn't see you on the streets will know you are "doing the right thing"

Ah break it. Tired of reading 'dangle berries' about Coronavirus. I shall stay away.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 13:19:45
Why is Aaron a guest? :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 March 2020, 13:20:22
Why is Aaron a guest? :-\
I resisted get in drawn into this. It could have been suggested that, in view of being quit ill, Varche shouldn't have been out at all.  :-X

Aaron, if you're reading this, try and stay positive. Easier said than down, but it chin up ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 March 2020, 13:21:34
Why is Aaron a guest? :-\
I suspect that he has had enough of the never ending idiocy from Varche :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 13:31:09
Why is Aaron a guest? :-\
I suspect that he has had enough of the never ending idiocy from Varche :-\
I don't think so. I've noticed Aaron has been quite pessimistic over the last weeks. He has mentioned a few times that he is pissed off (with various things). He's also mentioned about people not having a job to go back to, I don't know if that was personal or general. I've pushed the button a few times, as you know, and I hope, after a period of time, he feels able to come back.



Don't let the bastards grind you down, Aaron. I sincerely hope you feel more positive about things soon.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 13:35:51
I can honestly say that I don't dislike anyone on this forum.......except that light-fingered scouse fella. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 15:46:10
I can honestly say that I don't dislike anyone on this forum.......except that light-fingered scouse fella. :)
I know that not true..........how could anyone dislike little old me  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 15:55:05
I can honestly say that I don't dislike anyone on this forum.......except that light-fingered scouse fella. :)
I know that not true..........how could anyone dislike little old me  ;D

Not talking about you. I refer to the other whippet owning light-fingered scouser on the forum. :)

Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 16:17:04
I can honestly say that I don't dislike anyone on this forum.......except that light-fingered scouse fella. :)
I know that not true..........how could anyone dislike little old me  ;D
Ah... that STMO fella.

Not talking about you. I refer to the other whippet owning light-fingered scouser on the forum. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 16:25:54
Yes STMO. Utter bastard. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 16:29:00
Yes STMO. Utter bastard. :)
He hasn't been on here for years. I believe he eloped with a fella called Optimist69.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 16:31:06
Yes STMO. Utter bastard. :)
He hasn't been on here for years. I believe he eloped with a fella called Optimist69.

I believe it was Optimist 60 if memory serves. Total shithead, I'm glad he has gone. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: STEMO on 23 March 2020, 16:52:45
If I remember correctly, he was an absolute cad, hence optimistic about a fishy 69. I must have been wrong.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 March 2020, 17:37:37
What was the user name of Optimist 60,s forum buddy in political threads ?
Big cigar for whoever answers quickly enough not to have searched for it.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 17:38:23
What was the user name of Optimist 60,s forum buddy in political threads ?
Big cigar for whoever answers quickly enough not to have searched for it.

Banjocks.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 March 2020, 17:39:31
Close - Banjax.
Drove a Subaru iirc ?
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 17:42:23
Close - Banjax.
Drove a Subaru iirc ?

I think he came from North of Hadrians wall, from the land of the 'manskirt'......hence Banjocks. Big fan of Nickbat I believe. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 March 2020, 17:44:10
Yeah, I think him and Nickbat had a bromance thing going on. He gave up and ficked off in the end though. Nickbat was not easy to win a debate against.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 17:47:39
Yeah, I think him and Nickbat had a bromance thing going on. He gave up and ficked off in the end though. Nickbat was not easy to win a debate against.

Whatever became of Albitz. Hater of everything froggie? :)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 March 2020, 17:56:54
He got smacked over the head with a gearbox ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Varche on 23 March 2020, 17:57:34
I will give the forum a break for a couple of weeks. Got a lot on my plate with quite a lot of stuff that has got worse. Funnily enough my health seems to have got better from this morning , ditto my dads.

I realise my posts can be seen as pessimistic or conspiracy theorist at times. Just my view. If we all had the same outlook it would be pretty boring.

Might need some advice on technicalities or processes in which case I might post. Guys like Entwood and Lcxxxxxx ( sorry can’t remember your handle) have been a wealth of help in the past. I learnt about exercising POA financial today.

Anyway when I come back it will be as Varche2.0 , buen viaje amigos !
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 March 2020, 18:48:45
Yeah, I think him and Nickbat had a bromance thing going on. He gave up and ficked off in the end though. Nickbat was not easy to win a debate against.

Whatever became of Albitz. Hater of everything froggie? :)

Still hates them and many others besides now.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: LC0112G on 23 March 2020, 19:21:47
Might need some advice on technicalities or processes in which case I might post. Guys like Entwood and Lcxxxxxx ( sorry can’t remember your handle) have been a wealth of help in the past. I learnt about exercising POA financial today.

Good luck with that. I've been trying to get both financial and medical POA's setup for my dad since Christmas. Can't get an appointment with the GP for love nor money, and with all that's going on at the moment it's unlikely I'll be able to get one this side of next Christmas now. The other option is a Lawyer/Solicitor who will want north of £800 and I suspect will still want a GP to sign off on it anyway.

Some of us have thick skins and can just ignore some of the more 'robust' banter on here. I hope it's not that which is forcing you away.
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 March 2020, 20:11:09
I can honestly say that I don't dislike anyone on this forum.......except that light-fingered scouse fella. :)
I know that not true..........how could anyone dislike little old me  ;D

Yes indeed, you’re a lovely, sweet, Liverpudlian  cuddly bear really :-* :-* ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 March 2020, 20:23:09
That is a great explanation on what to do Steve :y :y

This is now being circulated to my relatives :)
I can't vouch for the accuracy, Lizzie. As I said, sent from a friend.

That is the problem Steve, there are a lot of versions out there off what we will get and what we should do ifif when we do! ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 March 2020, 20:26:24
Just received this from a friend:

DIRECTIONS
St George’s Hospital London

Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not
accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds.  If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection.  It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day.  These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes. Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY?  Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you. The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential. The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc
I really must apologise for posting this without checking the facts, I feel like a fool. Please ignore the advice above, it appears to be (mostly) rubbish. It came from someone I trust, and probably the same for them.
Sorry  :-[

Yes and I fell for it! ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :-[

All we can all do is try and help others when we can, by any means, but fake stuff is always going to be out there ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus plan
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 March 2020, 12:45:19
I can honestly say that I don't dislike anyone on this forum.......except that light-fingered scouse fella. :)
I know that not true..........how could anyone dislike little old me  ;D

Yes indeed, you’re a lovely, sweet, Liverpudlian  cuddly bear really :-* :-* ;D ;D ;)

Don't encourage the reprobate. :) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*