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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: ffcgary1 on 20 March 2016, 23:21:35
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Hi all, a lass i know has just bought a second hand ford maverick on a 51 plate and a real minter it is too, 32,000 gen miles, full history, the question i have is that the rear lower arms are covered in a surface rust from where i guess it has been sitting about not being used much. is there a SPRAY ON RUST TREATMENTthat will kill and coat the surfaces with a long lasting protection or will a coat of wax oil do the same thing, there is no signs of any holes just this surface coating on the underside.
I dont fancy wire brushing the whole car to do it if there is an easy fix.
Gary.
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Someone must have the knowledge ???
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Have a look at the Bilt Hamber Dynax UB
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Have a look at the Rustbuster website ,highly recommended by lots of car clubs/mags they will supply & advise, just had my 4x4 treated by them excellent & very knowledgeable.
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Dinitrol make a rust convertor in a aerosol spray can, product code RC900, and it's readily available at car shows, EBay or from places such as Frost Restorations in Rochdale, who do mail order.
Dinitrol is a good product. Used them for years with good results.
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I had planned to take all three cars up to Rustbuster over the summer months, and as Tilbo is happy with their service,then that makes the case for doing it that much stronger. Diy treatment is OK to a point,but it's a messy old job and you have to have an attention to detail that I unfortunately I don't possess ::)
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dinitrol is good as said above
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Think Dinitrol is one of the products that Rustbuster uses,also I think they sell it as well :y
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A few late Fords I've worked on have heavy rust on the suspension parts and nut & bolts seized/snapping. Not the metal it used to be.
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I had planned to take all three cars up to Rustbuster over the summer months, and as Tilbo is happy with their service,then that makes the case for doing it that much stronger. Diy treatment is OK to a point,but it's a messy old job and you have to have an attention to detail that I unfortunately I don't possess ::)
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They are excellent Nitro, my 4x4 was filthy it was steam cleaned dried wire brushed vacuumed all around underneath, treated & coated all arch liners and underbody panels removed it took around 7 hours & at times 3 people were working on it.They are booked several months ahead, after observing the whole process there is no way you could do as good a job yourself.
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Agree,when I spoke to them the were busy then,and I understand that the level I was thinking about will take two days and will include an overnight hotel stay,so this one's going to be a bit of a 'plan' :-\ Although the option is to hire a car and drive home and come back up on day two...... :-\ Nah!! will take option one and have an early partake of the local Lincolnshire falling down water :D ;)
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The trouble with these rust proofing / preventative firms is, in my experience, that they don't know your car as well as you do. By that, I mean that you know all the areas on the Omega that are prone to corrosion, and unless you are breathing down their neck whilst they are doing the job, can you be sure that all the likely areas have been treated?
My opinion with the Omega is that that most areas where corrosion starts so as to cause a problem is generally from within, rather externally, and knowing where to start is a job for a nice sunny day. If you search rusty wheel arches for example, you will find info I posted how best to tackle this one aspect of rust prevention.
It reminds me of the hype back in the 70's and 80's about the likes of Ziebart, and how it prevented internal corrosion. The number of cars I used to see several years on with the telltale yellow plugs, yet the cars were rotten as a pear purely because the treatment hadn't been applied in the correct rust prone areas....
If I were you, I'd do it myself - plenty of places will steam clean the car underneath first, and it's got to dry throughly afterwards, but then it's worth getting grubby for and at least you would know it had been done properly...
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The trouble with these rust proofing / preventative firms is, in my experience, that they don't know your car as well as you do. By that, I mean that you know all the areas on the Omega that are prone to corrosion, and unless you are breathing down their neck whilst they are doing the job, can you be sure that all the likely areas have been treated?
My opinion with the Omega is that that most areas where corrosion starts so as to cause a problem is generally from within, rather externally, and knowing where to start is a job for a nice sunny day. If you search rusty wheel arches for example, you will find info I posted how best to tackle this one aspect of rust prevention.
It reminds me of the hype back in the 70's and 80's about the likes of Ziebart, and how it prevented internal corrosion. The number of cars I used to see several years on with the telltale yellow plugs, yet the cars were rotten as a pear purely because the treatment hadn't been applied in the correct rust prone areas....
If I were you, I'd do it myself - plenty of places will steam clean the car underneath first, and it's got to dry throughly afterwards, but then it's worth getting grubby for and at least you would know it had been done properly...
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I'm sorry totally disagree with your comments I did stay and watch the whole process which the company encourages you to do if possible, the equipment is specialised the car is on a ramp, you can buy a kit for around £160.00 from them but I defy anyone to do a professional job themselves, they are highly thought of in classic car circles, the work on my vehicle far exceeded my expectations.
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I'm not saying that their work isn't upto a high standard, but if you are happy with the work they do, then that is all that matters. If they are into classic car rust prevention, then they should know what they are doing. I guess they must have done plenty of Omegas (? ;D?) to enable them to know the problem areas......although seriously I wouldn't have thought many Omega owners in the past wouldn't have even considered having this done. I would say this treatment is far more necessary on a classic car from the true classic car era, as the rust proofing methods then were poor, and not upto the factory applied sealants applied from the past 15 - 20 years. Most cars from the pre 1980's had no underseal etc applied at the factory, and they were delivered untreated. The customer then paid for underbody protection which was applied at the dealership before the customer took possession of the car. And they still rusted for fun......
As we all know, applying underbody protection to an already rusty area, if not correctly treated causes more problems than you started out with.
Incidentally, I do know someone who had a classic Triumph treated by this company and he does seem very happy with the job, but this was on a recently totally restored car which had shiney new panels underneath.
I'm sure the job will be good; just my thoughts that's all....
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They also do a yearly check on their work for a one off fee :-\ still think I'm going for it as my red MV6 is nigh on rust free,and will certainly extend it's life as it's not high on miles and only does around three thousand miles a year now,same with the white MV6 and although only eighty thousand on the clock,it had a bit of a hard life chasing scrotes up and down the motorway,so a bit twitchy as to any hidden nasties when they start pulling it around. Blue Elite has done 230 thousand and I'm sure there's going to be issues there,but this company does rust repairs as part of the service bit of course at an extra cost,But like they say, you can't take it with you so I think I'd just take the hit and get them fixed up as much as is practical and spend the Autumn of my life driving the cars that give that perverse pleasure of Omega ownership. ::) :)
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They also do a yearly check on their work for a one off fee :-\ still think I'm going for it as my red MV6 is nigh on rust free,and will certainly extend it's life as it's not high on miles and only does around three thousand miles a year now,same with the white MV6 and although only eighty thousand on the clock,it had a bit of a hard life chasing scrotes up and down the motorway,so a bit twitchy as to any hidden nasties when they start pulling it around. Blue Elite has done 230 thousand and I'm sure there's going to be issues there,but this company does rust repairs as part of the service bit of course at an extra cost,But like they say, you can't take it with you so I think I'd just take the hit and get them fixed up as much as is practical and spend the Autumn of my life driving the cars that give that perverse pleasure of Omega ownership. ::) :)
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Agree fully, if you observe the work being done it is really thorough I only had the underbody treatment as the Hyundai Terracan panels are excellent & I have never seen one with bad bodywork, The Merc has already been done some years ago & is probably one of the best if not the best example in the UK.
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same with the white MV6 and although only eighty thousand on the clock,it had a bit of a hard life chasing scrotes up and down the motorway
Can't have had that hard a life!! 80k on a Police car doing Motorway work would probably cover that in 12 months from what I understand. That too, of course, would have been in the good old days before all the recent cuts when there were dedicated Motorway Units in the majority of Force with motorway networks. Most motorway work probably involved driving around at 55 mph, until the need to get somewhere fast, and then the high speed driving for a short spell wouldn't be a problem to a 3.2 V6. Motorway work is probably the kindest work to any traffic car to a police vehicle; not like panda cars or divisional traffic cars which I would argue would have a harder life batting round towns and A roads, where there was a lot more gear changing, braking and engine revving if the need arose to get anywhere fast.
I have an ex Police 2.6 Elite and that has only 99k on it to date (it was a plain National Crime Agency car for 12 years), and that runs as smoothly and probably sweeter of all my others!
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The Red MV6 came direct from Met service through a dealer to myself with 47,000 miles on the clock, ex DPG car,and the white MV6 also a Met car had 74,000 miles on it came from a scrappy,needed a new engine and tranny,basically through neglect from it's previous owners :-X but both cars mileages checked out as genuine (unless the old bill are into a bit of clocking as a side line)Bit of a fallacy that police cars are maintained to a high standard if these two are anything to go by!damage every area including underbody areas as well ...bit like a builders van almost and possibly regarded in a similar way by the crews that use them. ::) They're now nearly finished and will soon be having a nice easy retirement.....bit like me really :y I think!! :)
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In reality, I suppose plain vehicles used by specialist departments, like yours from the DPG or mine from the NCA, may well have been better looked after by the Officers using them, unlike response vehicles. Although, having said that, I also have a 3.2 Elite that was used by Lincolnshire Police as a Staff Officers vehicle and with 111k, the engine has some big end rumble (that is what it sounds like), and although the body is quite reasonable, I am most likely going to scrap it😢
I am putting it down to poor maintenance during the years after it left the Police - the oil was like water when I got it, and it didn't look like it had had a service of any kind for a very long time.....
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Seems a shame to scrap any 3.2 especially an Elite,but sometimes you have to look at the viability/cost of the exercise,and wether you are going to keep the car long term.Any chance that you may go down the route of repairing the car?
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Probably not😢. Purely because I already have another 3.2 Elite saloon and estate, and two 2.6 Elite saloons. I bought it because at the time, the indications were I needed a gearbox, which later turned out wasn't the case. There are other faults on it as well as the possible engine issue. It has a reasonable amount of surface rust underneath now from standing, which I know could be addressed, but I think it will end up being a useful source of spares if need be.
If I was to do the work needed to get it back on the road, I would only sell it because of the others, and what I'd get wouldn't make it worthwhile.
Shame as its a 3.2, but I have to be sensible....I have to keep the 'boss' of the house sweet at the best of times cos of the number of cars I have.......👍
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Understand your predicament,I've used up all my lives with the addition of VXR8 to the fleet,and have been told that I'm now banned from having any more toys ...full stop! :'(
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You have to be as cunning as she is.....'New shoes my dear?' 'No, I've had them ages'. Works as I don't know anything about shoes, so......
Works with the Omegas to a point......bought a scrap 2.2 CDX estate in black approx 2 years ago, and kept in a friends unit. Brought it home a couple of months ago, and because I've got a black 3.2 Elite estate as well, it sat on the drive totally unnoticied for several weeks before she suddenly said out of the blue, 'Whose is that black estate on the drive?'. 'It's been there ages, my dear' (and she couldn't argue otherwise!).
Damn...thought I'd got away with it, but as it had already been there for a few weeks, I'm still alive to tell the tale......
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That's the only problem with swmbo's attending car meets. They get together and its 'nitter, natter, nitter natter...I don't know why he wants three....I don't agree with it...nitter natter, nitter natter' ;D ;D
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I never moan when SWMBO wants to buy anything & that has worked for me,I deal with all finances so she never really knows what I spend on the cars , next on the list is a stainless steel exhaust system for the Merc, have been quoted £600.00 she'll never know !
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As it happens, I'm lucky from one point of view, she never whinges about the amount of money I spend on my cars, just the actual number of cars I have!
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As it happens, I'm lucky from one point of view, she never whinges about the amount of money I spend on my cars, just the actual number of cars I have!
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One car is never enough ! The most I have had is 4 ,Vw,, Merc, Mazda & Subaru a man has to have a hobby..