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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mister Rog on 24 January 2018, 17:47:10
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Charity dinners and lunches are often very sport orientated, with a guest speaker and a comedian. I've been to a few (NOT at The Dorchester). General they do tend to be very "Male" and on at least two occasions I have found the "comedians" to be sexist, racist, and homophobic. I don't consider myself a prude and I enjoy a dirty joke as much as anyone, but I have felt very very uncomfortable and even shocked. The problem is, that these events bring in a lot of cash. The same laddish behaviour behind the gropes and the jokes, leads to ego driven bidding in the charity auctions.
It should be possible to hold these events and be in tune with modern attitudes, still raise the cash, and still have a good time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42801178
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Modern attitudes piss me right off. Look at this nonsense
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42776454
What next, Hamlet at the theatre royal with subtitles?
When you have a disability, you should accept that some things are not doable. But ‘modern attitudes’ say that you must be able to do them. PAH!
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Well Great Ormond Street Hospital and Evelina London Children's Hospital can't be that hard up if they can afford to return the money raised by this event, and as I read the article previous donations as well. :-X
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Should have called it a " Gentleman's Evening" been to a few emergency services ones over the years where things got far more " energetic" than last night's reported fiasco.
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They can pass as many laws as they like, or brainwash the snowflakes as much as they like, but they won’t stop me saying exactly what I think. And, if anybody is offended, then my work is done. Tw*ts.
It sounds as though it was a good do. ;D
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An undercover, do gooding journalist . . . .says it all IMO >:(
From the report that I saw, this person was the only one complaining. ::)
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The people who organised the event specifically wanted attractive young women wearing a skimpy black dress and matching knickers.
They then suggest these women should be 'friendly' with a bunch of wealthy middle aged men and make them feel important.
Is anyone really surprised that with the booze flowing things didn't exactly turn out 'politically correct'
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The paid female journalist doing the rounds was asked. "what was the worst that happened to you" she answered by saying; "while in a converstion with one of the guests he suddenly grabbed my hand" :o The journo`s went looking for a story & found one.
As usual everyone will fall nto line & be equally as shocked :P
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The people who organised the event specifically wanted attractive young women wearing a skimpy black dress and matching knickers.
They then suggest these women should be 'friendly' with a bunch of wealthy middle aged men and make them feel important.
Is anyone really surprised that with the booze flowing things didn't exactly turn out 'politically correct'
£200 is a bit much for an evenings ‘waitressing’. I think they knew it would be a bit more than that.
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The people who organised the event specifically wanted attractive young women wearing a skimpy black dress and matching knickers.
They then suggest these women should be 'friendly' with a bunch of wealthy middle aged men and make them feel important.
Is anyone really surprised that with the booze flowing things didn't exactly turn out 'politically correct'
£200 is a bit much for an evenings ‘waitressing’. I think they knew it would be a bit more than that.
Yep......there was nothing stopping the powers that be hiring a bunch of toothless old crones for minimum wage. :)
This would have cut down on 'wandering hands'
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An undercover, do gooding journalist . . . .says it all IMO >:(
From the report that I saw, this person was the only one complaining. ::)
Oh no, Al.......’multiple’ women told her they were assaulted. ::)
Call me a man old fashioned, but the ones who complain loudest, like the one in Parliament today, are always the ones who I would say to “Don’t worry, love, there’s not much danger of you being sexually assaulted “. ;D
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No comments on the deaf woman? Am I being unfair to her?
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Been to a range of gentleman's evenings and they have varied from 'sports club' ones with strippers and very blue comedians where the standards of
misbehaviour were to ALL as expected including the female entertainment so a good time was had by all. The other end of the spectrum has been formal 'black tie' ones where there is a known implied etiquette where if you misbehaved you would be asked to leave and excluded from that circle of people. The important part is the organisers letting all concerned who are attending the evening know what the expected standards of behaviour are. :y :y :y
Current attitudes of some SJW feminists with their mock outrage at the slightest thing will end up with the West being like Muslim countries where woman cover themselves from head to foot and congregate in separate designated areas. Years a go I went to an Asian friends family celebration and all there men were on one side of the room and the women on the other, when I asked why I was told ingrained traditions and taboos. Some women need to be careful for what they wish for.
Just before Christmas I went for a drink in London where I deal with a company. The owners were paying and we went from a pub to a vodka bar with waitress service. The waitress was standing next to the person ordering and he reached behind her to tap the shoulder of the person the other side to get his attention and what he wanted to drink. About 10 seconds later this American SJW feminist thing walked up to him and accused him of crowding and touching the waitress, when he said it was nothing of the sort she would have none of it, so he asked the waitress if he had behaved inappropriately, she said no, you didn't even touch me. When I left about an hour later this SWJ feminist thing was still in a heated discussion with him. :( :( :( Personally, I wouldn't have been that patient before telling her to get out of my face and to fade away. :-X :-X :-X
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No comments on the deaf woman? Am I being unfair to her?
Pardon.
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This journo woman was on Jeremy Whine today and said that some of the women weren't enjoying themselves, but admitted that plenty of them were enjoying the party. ::) In the video in the BBC article she says that a lot of the hostesses had worked at that event before...
This womans actions have caused an organisation that over 30 years has raised £20 million for children's charities to shut down overnight. >:(
I hope that she is proud of herself! ::)
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I am going to be a lone woman making a comment on this subject and already feeling intimidated by the rather sexist, male chauvinist, attitudes.
Let's start with the facts. This was meant to be a high powered, charity event by the Presidents Club involving the great, the very wealthy and powerful captains of the commercial world and society generally, at a top London hotel. It was not a rugby club do where the testorone usually flows and little is out of bounds.
No, this event was being held involving those who are meant to be leaders and should be setting a good example. They failed dismally to do that, with the first mistake being wives / partners / girlfriends were not invited. The men then degraded themselves, and even made some of their members feel very uncomfortable. It all became a big pole dancing sex club do, with stupid, yes, stupid men who cannot control their sexual drive in a respectable manner ( that they would do if the loves of their lives had been there!!) touching up the hostesses who were there to deliver drinks to the tables. Once more, many of these men are meant to be responsible, up standing, leaders who (should be) treating woman with respect and politeness, not mauling them like on heat beasts.
Of course organisations like a children's hospital will not want any funds raised from such a disgraceful do, which has even caused the closure of the Presidents Club. Thank God many men in that organisation are not all sex fiends and recognise how bad it all became. They have done the honourable thing, but of course there will be many other males who will defend what happened.
One day they will wake up to the fact we are all in the 21st century and women are now to be respected with rights equal to men and not treated as sex toys! >:(
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The day is fast coming when all of us men will have to have compulsory slow release bromide implants..... :-X
And there will be female SWAT teams patrolling everywhere, ready to eliminate any man with so much as twinkle in his eye! :P ::) :(
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I can see both sides of the argument. For me the question is, did the women go there knowing what was likely to happen ,and were they ok with that ? If the answer is yes, then they are basically, more or less, hookers and that's their choice, so no reason for anyone to complain on their behalf.
If the answer is no, then Lizzie is right.
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The hostesses were told to wear short black skirts, black underwear, black nail varnish and black 'sexy' shoes. They would have known it was an all male event and they were told they were allowed to have a drink. They also had to sign a 5 page non disclosure agreement. :-X
The ones who were upset are either extremely naive, terminally stupid or both. ::)
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Lizzie, "calm down, dear"!
Ron.
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My original point seems to have been completely lost here in discussing the specific circumstances of that specific event, and of course the motives of the journalist. My point related to the general culture that seems to abound in "charity" and "sports" dinners and boozy lunches. And please don't misunderstand, I enjoy them, most of the time.
However, I have heard comedians come out with jokes and comments that I would be arrested for if I said them in a public place. Lewd remarks regarding the barmaids "assets" and all she's doing is her work. Racial comments that could certainly result in prosecution, and regarding homophobic comments who's to say that the guy sitting on the next seat isn't "closet". I know gay people and would be very upset if I caused distress to them, please remember Alan Turing, one of the unsung heroes of WWII.
Yes of course we are all He Men and don't give an Effff about PCness. And yes of course PCness often goes overboard, in fact all too often. But those who ignore what is "reasonably" acceptable and what is not, are destined for the dinosaur dustbin. The problem of course, is that many would be actually very proud of that fact.
I repeat my earlier opinion. Surely it must be possible to raise cash and have a good time, without upsetting people.
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My original point seems to have been completely lost here in discussing the specific circumstances of that specific event, and of course the motives of the journalist. My point related to the general culture that seems to abound in "charity" and "sports" dinners and boozy lunches. And please don't misunderstand, I enjoy them, most of the time.
However, I have heard comedians come out with jokes and comments that I would be arrested for if I said them in a public place. Lewd remarks regarding the barmaids "assets" and all she's doing is her work. Racial comments that could certainly result in prosecution, and regarding homophobic comments who's to say that the guy sitting on the next seat isn't "closet". I know gay people and would be very upset if I caused distress to them, please remember Alan Turing, one of the unsung heroes of WWII.
Yes of course we are all He Men and don't give an Effff about PCness. And yes of course PCness often goes overboard, in fact all too often. But those who ignore what is "reasonably" acceptable and what is not, are destined for the dinosaur dustbin. The problem of course, is that many would be actually very proud of that fact.
I repeat my earlier opinion. Surely it must be possible to raise cash and have a good time, without upsetting people.
Yes It must cetainly be possible to achieve this, but how do we know what`s occuring behind the scenes at the church bizarre ???
To be totally honest :) it`s quite refreshing to know; that no matter how much you got tucked way in the bank A Jolly boys night out with yer mates can always descend into the depths of depravity. :y
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Interesting point raised by SWMBO on this . . .would anything at all been reported IF this was reverse gender function where women were being served drinks etc. by bare chested male waiters ? :-\
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Interesting point raised by SWMBO on this . . .would anything at all been reported IF this was reverse gender function where women were being served drinks etc. by bare chested male waiters ? :-\
But if she was at such an event, would she even tell you about it ? Not sure mine would tell me ;D
But again, it was not this particular event that was my point
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Having heard discussions or been told what has gone on at hen parties, especially with male strippers they can be every bit as bad or worse than men at stag events. If this is what floats people's boats and all parties are consensual then as far as I'm concerned providing it doesn't get too depraved and break laws then that is up to all concerned. ::) ::) ::)
What wouldn't be acceptable would be behaving the same at a public social event that outraged public decency or a private event behind closed doors that involved anybody under age or hadn't previously given their consent and know what to expect. :( :( :(
What concerns me these days is MSM sensationalism (especially the BBC) to make money and raise their public profiles to sell more news and people looking for their 5 seconds of fame in 280 characters on Sh*tter or Arsebook. Currently keeping things in proportion, common sense and basic decency seem to have gone out of the window in society. >:( >:( >:( Add on to this people being manipulated by the hard-left and hard-right where they are promoting their agendas along with active measure by state actors especially in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and ISIS where they are actively seeking to destabilize, disrupt and manipulate the West, so as a result we have an ever increasingly toxic, intolerant, reactionary society. >:( >:( >:(
Currently Russia is by far the best with these active measures and are currently spending an estimated $12bn per year. This includes RT, Sputnik, office blocks of Trolls in St Petersburg, about 20,000 amplification websites in the US alone, 50,000 bots on Twitter where you can see daily the fake news #tags they are promoting at any particular time. They are being very successful where the majority of people are duped into believing the narrative or propaganda. I have deliberately followed at times some bots on Twitter to see them at work and too understand their modus operandi. There are now on the Internet several guides on how you can tell fake accounts and fake news tracking websites. A useful thing to always do when looking at images of people and those on 'news sources' is to right click on the image and select for Google to search for the image as it reveals who they are pretending to be or the story they are trying to portray. You often find other people's images are being used or old and unrelated pictures in a story, but it fits the theme and outrage that they are trying to portray. >:( >:( >:(
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Sells papers, and something to discuss on chat shows, be something else today .
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Sells papers, and something to discuss on chat shows, be something else today .
It's Burns Night today, so there will be lots of Scots wittering on, and bagpipes getting on your nerves.
The charity drivel will continue tomorrow.
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The hostesses were told to wear short black skirts, black underwear, black nail varnish and black 'sexy' shoes. They would have known it was an all male event and they were told they were allowed to have a drink. They also had to sign a 5 page non disclosure agreement. :-X
The ones who were upset are either extremely naive, terminally stupid or both. ::)
No, they were young women who were hired to serve at a charity function in a first class London hotel, and no doubt thought the dress code was a bit of fun, and would have appealed to their natural desire to be attractive. This should not have been a green flag to men to touch them up and generally fondle them. That was not in the contract and should not have happened. Why should it? Just because men want a bit of sexual fantasy does not mean they have the moral or legal right to treat these young women, who must be protected in society, as prostitues; there to satisfy men's sexual desires. That is why we strive to improve modern society, and take away the risks to vulnerable young women, who could be your daughter, or propably due to the age of most members on the OOF, your Grandaughter . Are you all telling me, a mature and worldly experienced mother, grandmother, let alone women who takes no none sense from anyone, that you don't want your loved one to be protected in society?
These young women are, by nature of their gender and age, highly vulnerable and even need to be protected from themselves. With any vulnerable young men I hope they are also protected from this type of "occasion", but it is a fact, unlike women, they are due to their gender and age often more inclined towards sexual adventure than women of that age who know they risk pregnancy. That is the natural state, and that is why society protects women more. ;)
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The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-
Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable. I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls. This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job. In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times! ::) ;D I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes. ;)
Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line? One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men! ::) It happens, it's human nature....
People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans. :(
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as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans. :(
Maybe they'll all charter a boat (the Mayflower, perhaps) and head for America?
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How about hiring non gender specific out for events like this then everything is covered they can all be outraged & discuss it like normal human beings, if there is such a thing nowadays 😀
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The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-
Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable. I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls. This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job. In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times! ::) ;D I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes. ;)
Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line? One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men! ::) It happens, it's human nature....
People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans. :(
Nicely put Sir Tig. :y :y :y
I'm not sure if I told this before, but shortly after I joined BA at age 40, the whole 707 crew were out for an evening meal in Mexico City. As I was the oldest flight deck member some of the cabin crew assumed I was the Captain, and one girl fairly obviously put the moves on me. The two pilots played along with amusement. She was mightily put out when she woke up in my room (if only ::)) saw me at breakfast in uniform. My point being that certain girls/women/ladies have an eye for the main chance and grab it any way they can. I can assure you of that from that experience, and also seeing the way other female cabin crew have nailed Captains, a significant number of whom finished up on second and third marriages because of it. :y
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Exactly, alcohol sexily dressed females & wealthy men ,was never going to be like a Sunday school outing was it.
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I’ve been sexually harassed by women for most of my life. I’ve just kept quiet and put up with it because I understand it’s how the female mind works.
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I have dreams like that.....
Ron.
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The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-
Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable. I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls. This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job. In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times! ::) ;D I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes. ;)
Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line? One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men! ::) It happens, it's human nature....
People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans. :(
I hear what you say Sir Tigger and I actually agree with you. But you emphasise the confusion now in society with both male and females as to what is acceptable behaviour or not.
The women you quote at motor racing circuits, along with boxing matches and general "glamour" work, is where women do seek employment and use their beauty as the sponsors want to "sex up" the occasion and give it something special, with photographs to match. BUT they are not gropped (or at least in public) as the men at those events recognise and accept the lines of decency laid down. They do not want the media to pick up images of women being molested, willingly or not; they want their "product" or event promoted in the right manner. The women are engaged knowing they will be seen by men as "a bit of totty", but they are doing it for the money, as a job / career, and are not naive in any way, but are still vulnerable women, as indeed most women are throughout their lives.
No, not all men behave badly, and that has not been said by those at the Presidents Club event. Rather men said they left early after feeling very uncomfortable about what started to go on well into the evening. It was also reported, the compare warned all attending the event that there would be young women serving them at their tables at this all male occasion, and they were to be treated with respect, reminding all that (as I stated earlier) these women could be their daughters or Grand daughters. The lines of decency were laid down. The girls were not "career escort ladies", but in many cases just girls looking for a bit of cash and fun (not sexual) as in the case of one who is reported to be a law student.
Yes, the media HAS made too much about it, but I think this reflects the confusion and hypocrisy that exists throughout our society of how women should be treated, not helped by the media itself! Girls, young women, often do not help themselves and go along with what men want because either they can see profit in that; not necessarily in the form of cash, but love, romance and future security or they want a career in the escort industry / want the thought of no ties sexual excitement. Yes, men are confused by all that, but a man must recognise the worth of women, that can be loved and become their future partners, compared to the woman who is a simple tart. It is difficult for men to read the signals women frequently give out, but I am afraid men must learn how to read them, and remember they may well have a wife / partner back home who loves them and expects them to keep their moral standards up, and not cheat on them.
This event went far too far for a charity function at a top class London hotel, and I can imagine that many men who attended are now being asked some very serious question by their loved ones of their personal participation. Clothes will be be scanned for lipstick stains, and other stains (!!), along with the smell of any scents!!
Once more though, it is down to certain sections of our society, male AND female to think about how they act and the signals being transmitted. At this event the leaders of commerce and politics, who should have been seen to be very upstanding and responsible, and an excellent example of modern managers of people who treat their work force with respect. They let themselves, and other men, down badly.
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The 2 things that's pissing me off about this Lizzie is:-
Firstly, the portrayal that these woman are young and vulnerable. I used to work for a company that provided support services to Formula One and Moto GP and so got to know a few of the promo girls. This sort of work is a kind of 'circuit' and many of the girls go from job to next and are constantly networking for the next job. In many cases they get very well paid and looked after and as one said to me " I won't look like this forever " They trade on their looks and personality and believe me the majority can look after themselves! My younger randier self found that out a few times! ::) ;D I'm not saying it's OK for men to cop a feel of these girls just that the majority would have gone into that event with open eyes. ;)
Secondly, the media are trying to tell us that ALL of the men were behaving badly, which I'm sure is complete nonsense. The Guardian has even published a list of well known men that attended FFS, which has to be walking a fine legal line? One account in the BBC said that some of the women were seen going up in the lifts with the men, not some men, the men! For sure when you mix a bunch of guys, alcohol and beautiful young women, one or two will get a bit over excited and I'm equally sure that a few of the girls got a bit over excited in the company of wealthy powerful men! ::) It happens, it's human nature....
People are very quick to jump on the outrage bus today, often without knowing the true facts of a story and I fear for the direction that society is going, as we seem to be heading for a new age of the puritans. :(
I hear what you say Sir Tigger and I actually agree with you. But you emphasise the confusion now in society with both male and females as to what is acceptable behaviour or not.
The women you quote at motor racing circuits, along with boxing matches and general "glamour" work, is where women do seek employment and use their beauty as the sponsors want to "sex up" the occasion and give it something special, with photographs to match. BUT they are not gropped (or at least in public) as the men at those events recognise and accept the lines of decency laid down. They do not want the media to pick up images of women being molested, willingly or not; they want their "product" or event promoted in the right manner. The women are engaged knowing they will be seen by men as "a bit of totty", but they are doing it for the money, as a job / career, and are not naive in any way, but are still vulnerable women, as indeed most women are throughout their lives.
No, not all men behave badly, and that has not been said by those at the Presidents Club event. Rather men said they left early after feeling very uncomfortable about what started to go on well into the evening. It was also reported, the compare warned all attending the event that there would be young women serving them at their tables at this all male occasion, and they were to be treated with respect, reminding all that (as I stated earlier) these women could be their daughters or Grand daughters. The lines of decency were laid down. The girls were not "career escort ladies", but in many cases just girls looking for a bit of cash and fun (not sexual) as in the case of one who is reported to be a law student.
Yes, the media HAS made too much about it, but I think this reflects the confusion and hypocrisy that exists throughout our society of how women should be treated, not helped by the media itself! Girls, young women, often do not help themselves and go along with what men want because either they can see profit in that; not necessarily in the form of cash, but love, romance and future security or they want a career in the escort industry / want the thought of no ties sexual excitement. Yes, men are confused by all that, but a man must recognise the worth of women, that can be loved and become their future partners, compared to the woman who is a simple tart. It is difficult for men to read the signals women frequently give out, but I am afraid men must learn how to read them, and remember they may well have a wife / partner back home who loves them and expects them to keep their moral standards up, and not cheat on them.
This event went far too far for a charity function at a top class London hotel, and I can imagine that many men who attended are now being asked some very serious question by their loved ones of their personal participation. Clothes will be be scanned for lipstick stains, and other stains (!!), along with the smell of any scents!!
Once more though, it is down to certain sections of our society, male AND female to think about how they act and the signals being transmitted. At this event the leaders of commerce and politics, who should have been seen to be very upstanding and responsible, and an excellent example of modern managers of people who treat their work force with respect. They let themselves, and other men, down badly.
:o :o :o :o I presume you mean coffee and tea stains, Lizzie. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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I believe some of the men were very upstanding.
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I believe some of the men were very upstanding.
To my mind the whole episode seems to have been blown out of all proportion. In the great scheme of things what went down was very minor.
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I believe some of the men were very upstanding.
To my mind the whole episode seems to have been blown out of all proportion. In the great scheme of things what went down was very minor.
Of course. But isn’t that the way of this over sensitive, self important, me me me world. Over the last years everything seems to have changed regarding women’s rights, poofters rights, weirdos rights, foreigners rights....ad nauseum.
Well....not me....I’m the same bigoted bloke I’ve always been. This fella ain’t for turning. ;D
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Yes, we seem to be in defiance of nature in many aspects of life nowadays. Nature demands that man is the chaser, woman is the chasted (and not necessarily chaste!).
As we are all "equal", why do women still expect the privileges of a protected species? They dress extremely provocatively, to attract, and when that attraction happens, seem surprised and unprepared for the consequences. What you sow....
Equality means that no one group sho;uld have more rights than another.
Homosexuality is also against nature, but that's enough of supporting STEMO for now!
Ron.
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I have to say that whether the girls should have expected it or not, it’s still not really acceptable for men in a position of power (which they are, either by virtue of money or status) to take advantage of that power.
I’m far from Mr PC but...
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The girls were not "career escort ladies".......
I suspect that there were a few 'ladies' of this description at The Dorchester that night Lizzie! :-X ;)
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The girls were not "career escort ladies".......
I suspect that there were a few 'ladies' of this description at The Dorchester that night Lizzie! :-X ;)
Reports suggest that they arrived later and went direct to certain rooms :D :D ;)
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
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Nothing wrong with Anne Widdicome, any hole’s a goal. ;D
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Another non story due to another slow news day.
Of all the Gentlemens clubs I've (been forced to) frequented, I wonder if any of the diesel dykes complained they had to waggle their tits to all and sundry.
I'm sure, in the 80s/90s when male strip groups were incredibly popular, the artists all complained about having female audience wine glasses thrust up against them demanding that their drink is stirred.
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Nothing wrong with Anne Widdicome, any hole’s a goal. ;D
Scouse standards seem pretty low. :)
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
Now you're being as judgemental as LZ...
What I want to know, is how Philip Green came to be invited, and more to the point how he had the balks to show up >:(
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I'm not sure that judgemental covers it, DG - but truth does!
Until they actually do employ a team of Anne Widdicomes (I'll sense nightmares coming), I stick to what I said....
Ron.
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Nothing wrong with Anne Widdicome, any hole’s a goal. ;D
Scouse standards seem pretty low. :)
They can’t be that high in Lincolnshire, have a look at your avatar.
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Nothing wrong with Anne Widdicome, any hole’s a goal. ;D
Scouse standards seem pretty low. :)
They can’t be that high in Lincolnshire, have a look at your avatar.
TB's dream shag. :)
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I suppose it could be argued that given the "dress code" the women could or should have had an idea that such behaviour might occur,but I imagine they were chasing the money.I'm not condoning such behaviour and the men should have shown more restraint,they are after all old enough to know better.Old saying that they perhaps should have abided by.....Manners maketh Man.
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
Now you're being as judgemental as LZ...
What I want to know, is how Philip Green came to be invited, and more to the point how he had the balks to show up >:(
lol DG you are being judgemental in saying that to Ron! ;D ;D ;D
But, don't worry DG. You, (and yes!!) ME along with everyone else on this forum IS judgemental as we are ALL strong minded people who can and do voice our opinions. For me that is the sign of a healthy democracy! 8) 8) 8) ;)
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
Now you're being as judgemental as LZ...
What I want to know, is how Philip Green came to be invited, and more to the point how he had the balks to show up >:(
lol DG you are being judgemental in saying that to Ron! ;D ;D ;D
But, don't worry DG. You, (and yes!!) ME along with everyone else on this forum IS judgemental as we are ALL strong minded people who can and do voice our opinions. For me that is the sign of a healthy democracy! 8) 8) 8) ;)
I would argue there is too much democracy in Saudi, Lizzie ...........with women recently being given permission to drive. ::) Although having said that such permission has to 'be granted' by their husband or guardian. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
Now you're being as judgemental as LZ...
What I want to know, is how Philip Green came to be invited, and more to the point how he had the balks to show up >:(
lol DG you are being judgemental in saying that to Ron! ;D ;D ;D
But, don't worry DG. You, (and yes!!) ME along with everyone else on this forum IS judgemental as we are ALL strong minded people who can and do voice our opinions. For me that is the sign of a healthy democracy! 8) 8) 8) ;)
I would argue there is too much democracy in Saudi, Lizzie ...........with women recently being given permission to drive. ::) Although having said that such permission has to 'be granted' by their husband or guardian. :-* :-* :-* :-*
The Saudis don’t have to pander to this modern rubbish about equality though, Opti. We all know women have smaller brains and a distinct lack of spatial awareness, so the Saudis rightly limit their time on busy roads. We, on the other hand, have to pretend that they are our equals, which is bound to lead to more accidents and frustration on the roads.
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PC credentials burned here! :y 8)
Ron.
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
Now you're being as judgemental as LZ...
What I want to know, is how Philip Green came to be invited, and more to the point how he had the balks to show up >:(
lol DG you are being judgemental in saying that to Ron! ;D ;D ;D
But, don't worry DG. You, (and yes!!) ME along with everyone else on this forum IS judgemental as we are ALL strong minded people who can and do voice our opinions. For me that is the sign of a healthy democracy! 8) 8) 8) ;)
I would argue there is too much democracy in Saudi, Lizzie ...........with women recently being given permission to drive. ::) Although having said that such permission has to 'be granted' by their husband or guardian. :-* :-* :-* :-*
The Saudis don’t have to pander to this modern rubbish about equality though, Opti. We all know women have smaller brains and a distinct lack of spatial awareness, so the Saudis rightly limit their time on busy roads. We, on the other hand, have to pretend that they are our equals, which is bound to lead to more accidents and frustration on the roads.
Agreed.
And it is not in any way sexist to voice this. Objective evidence has proved beyond all doubt that women have smaller brains than men, along with inferior spatial awareness. A fact not appreciated by butch lesbian feminists who refuse to shave their legs, armpits, and pussy. Women (in name only) who basically hate men. :)
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Everybody knew what was involved/expected, especially with that prescribed dress code for the "waitresses" else they would have employed Ann Widdicome look-alikes! :o
Ron.
Now you're being as judgemental as LZ...
What I want to know, is how Philip Green came to be invited, and more to the point how he had the balks to show up >:(
lol DG you are being judgemental in saying that to Ron! ;D ;D ;D
But, don't worry DG. You, (and yes!!) ME along with everyone else on this forum IS judgemental as we are ALL strong minded people who can and do voice our opinions. For me that is the sign of a healthy democracy! 8) 8) 8) ;)
I would argue there is too much democracy in Saudi, Lizzie ...........with women recently being given permission to drive. ::) Although having said that such permission has to 'be granted' by their husband or guardian. :-* :-* :-* :-*
You can never say that about the House of Saud! They are positively backwards in their commitment to human rights, and are so corrupt it has taken a new Crown Prince to start (it appears?) to reign in the bent princes and officials. They are making a lot though of the "women now allowed to drive" bit, and so far have done little else visibly for women, or the average Saudi. ::) ::)
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Corruption in Saudi....... :o :o :o I'm shocked. :D
The British government(s) have been happy to turn a blind eye to this for decades. Business is business.
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Corruption in Saudi....... :o :o :o I'm shocked. :D
The British government(s) have been happy to turn a blind eye to this for decades. Business is business.
Yes indeed Opti, and even during wars, with financiers in Britain, and elsewhere, funding them against British interests!
In this case it is one where the arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands with glee!
A weird and horrible world indeed! ::) ::)
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Americans sum up friendly vile regimes very well: They might be SOBs but their OUR SOBs. ::) ::) ::)
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Corruption in Saudi....... :o :o :o I'm shocked. :D
The British government(s) have been happy to turn a blind eye to this for decades. Business is business.
Yes indeed Opti, and even during wars, with financiers in Britain, and elsewhere, funding them against British interests!
In this case it is one where the arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands with glee!
A weird and horrible world indeed! ::) ::)
It's not just Britain. There's a big hoo ha in Germany right now as the Turkish army use German built Leopard tanks, which are being used against the Kurds in Syria at the moment. ;)
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Corruption in Saudi....... :o :o :o I'm shocked. :D
The British government(s) have been happy to turn a blind eye to this for decades. Business is business.
Yes indeed Opti, and even during wars, with financiers in Britain, and elsewhere, funding them against British interests!
In this case it is one where the arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands with glee!
A weird and horrible world indeed! ::) ::)
It's not just Britain. There's a big hoo ha in Germany right now as the Turkish army use German built panzer tanks, which are being used against the Kurds in Syria at the moment. ;)
Corrected.
Also if the regime in Saudi Arabia collapses, gawd help us.
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Corruption in Saudi....... :o :o :o I'm shocked. :D
The British government(s) have been happy to turn a blind eye to this for decades. Business is business.
Yes indeed Opti, and even during wars, with financiers in Britain, and elsewhere, funding them against British interests!
In this case it is one where the arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands with glee!
A weird and horrible world indeed! ::) ::)
It's not just Britain. There's a big hoo ha in Germany right now as the Turkish army use German built Leopard tanks, which are being used against the Kurds in Syria at the moment. ;)
Yes indeed Sir Tigger. European and American weapons are all over the Middle East, and then we wonder why we all end up in the West being hated! ::) ::) ::)
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Corruption in Saudi....... :o :o :o I'm shocked. :D
The British government(s) have been happy to turn a blind eye to this for decades. Business is business.
Yes indeed Opti, and even during wars, with financiers in Britain, and elsewhere, funding them against British interests!
In this case it is one where the arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands with glee!
A weird and horrible world indeed! ::) ::)
It's not just Britain. There's a big hoo ha in Germany right now as the Turkish army use German built panzer tanks, which are being used against the Kurds in Syria at the moment. ;)
Corrected.
Also if the regime in Saudi Arabia collapses, gawd help us.
Yes, it will not be good!
But I'll let Rod explain that as he can, with a WW3 scenario no doubt, or at least that's how I see it in my simple way. The historically infamous Balkans Region is not that far away after all :'( :'(
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Anyway back to feeling up young women! ::) ;D
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Yes indeed, and I must admit those girls added glamour to the events, and more importantly were well paid for doing what they wanted to do professionally.
But the ill's, with certain individuals pushing the boundaries beyond what is acceptable in the 21st century, have brought all this on :P
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Shocking why not put a tax on glamour, fed up to the teeth with all this rubbish.
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I must be getting old, as tbh, I think grid girls are a bit too 1970,s for the 21st century.
Oh Christ, they've got to me haven't they ? :o ;D
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I must be getting old, as tbh, I think grid girls are a bit too 1970,s for the 21st century.
Oh Christ, they've got to me haven't they ? :o ;D
Yep, you’ve caught the virus. You must now grow a beard, wear a stripey scarf, eat lentils and support Jeremy Corbyn.
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I must be getting old, as tbh, I think grid girls are a bit too 1970,s for the 21st century.
Oh Christ, they've got to me haven't they ? :o ;D
Yep, you’ve caught the virus. You must now grow a beard, wear a stripey scarf, eat lentils and support Jeremy Corbyn.
From a lamp post? :y
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In the interests of fairness and equality, when can I expect to be randomly groped and treated as a sex object by gorgeous women? I am willing to play my part by not objecting..... :y ;D 8)
Ron.
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In the interests of fairness and equality, when can I expect to be randomly groped and treated as a sex object by gorgeous women? I am willing to play my part by not objecting..... :y ;D 8)
Ron.
Anne Widdicome is only a short hop into London, Ron, I’m sure she would oblige.
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I must be getting old, as tbh, I think grid girls are a bit too 1970,s for the 21st century.
Oh Christ, they've got to me haven't they ? :o ;D
Yep, you’ve caught the virus. You must now grow a beard, wear a stripey scarf, eat lentils and support Jeremy Corbyn.
Like these people ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLnTYOrQsaM
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Political correctness gone mad. >:(
Another victory for man-hating and probably pretty girl hating feminists. The grid girls added harmless glamour. I imagine most enjoyed the experience of being around wealthy F1 drivers and all that goes with it.
Not to worry though at least they have been saved from male exploitation. :(
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Political correctness gone mad. >:(
Another victory for man-hating and probably pretty girl hating feminists. The grid girls added harmless glamour. I imagine most enjoyed the experience of being around wealthy F1 drivers and all that goes with it.
You don’t have to be a part of it, Opti, you can stay on here with me and we can talk about tits and fannies and stuff. Don’t listen to that Albs fella, though, he’s gone all feminist like.
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Political correctness gone mad. >:(
Another victory for man-hating and probably pretty girl hating feminists. The grid girls added harmless glamour. I imagine most enjoyed the experience of being around wealthy F1 drivers and all that goes with it.
You don’t have to be a part of it, Opti, you can stay on here with me and we can talk about tits and fannies and stuff. Don’t listen to that Albs fella, though, he’s gone all feminist like.
Yeah...sad.
I believe Albs will be joining the liberal democrats soon. They like all things PC.
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Far cough the pair of ya. :P ;D
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Political correctness gone mad. >:(
Another victory for man-hating and probably pretty girl hating feminists. The grid girls added harmless glamour. I imagine most enjoyed the experience of being around wealthy F1 drivers and all that goes with it.
Not to worry though at least they have been saved from male exploitation. :(
I think that happened when James Hunt popped his clogs. ;) ;D
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Political correctness gone mad. >:(
Another victory for man-hating and probably pretty girl hating feminists. The grid girls added harmless glamour. I imagine most enjoyed the experience of being around wealthy F1 drivers and all that goes with it.
Not to worry though at least they have been saved from male exploitation. :(
I think that happened when James Hunt popped his clogs. ;) ;D
James Hunt will be turning in his grave with despair at this latest PC crap.
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Far cough the pair of ya. :P ;D
Time for a cosy chat with Nick Clegg about the exploitation of women over a nice vegan supper. :)
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Mary Whitehouse would love the way this is all going now, if anyone else remembers her .
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Hairy Whitemouse's problem was that she wasn't getting any!
A good rogering would have soon sorted her out - if there were anyone brave enough to do it! ::) :o
Ron.
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No more girlies on F1 grids at the start of the race now. It’s spreading like a virus....hope I don’t catch it. ;D
Political correctness gone mad. >:(
Another victory for man-hating and probably pretty girl hating feminists. The grid girls added harmless glamour. I imagine most enjoyed the experience of being around wealthy F1 drivers and all that goes with it.
Not to worry though at least they have been saved from male exploitation. :(
Next target for them could possibly be will no doubt be . . .
Ladies going "commando" & "neatly trimmed" will be outlawed :o :o :o
wonder how much a year a "commando checker " could demand ;D ;D
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I hope not, Al; who wants pubes stuck between his teeth? Yeuk! ::)
Ron.
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I hope not, Al; who wants pubes stuck between his teeth? Yeuk! ::)
Ron.
Just what the man haters want . . .mind you , like me you must remember thats how it always was.
When I left school & started on the rocky road of sex & drugs & rock'n'roll,. . . most of the young ladies were "fully bushed" & plenty of "spiders Legs" on show. . .didnt seem to be a problem then as i remember. ;D ;D ;D
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Oh gosh, I DO remeber: we used to say "once you've got past the smell, you've got it licked!" :P :P :P
Ron.
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Oh gosh, I DO remeber: we used to say "once you've got past the smell, you've got it licked!" :P :P :P
Ron.
I seem to recall the saying back then . . .
" If it tastes like chicken . . .keep lickin' . .. if it tastes like trout . .GET OUT ! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seems strange that back then as I remember it the ladies used to shave their arm pits . . but not their minges :-\ :-\ Lizzie may forward us the reason for that one :-\ :-\
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Oh gosh, I DO remeber: we used to say "once you've got past the smell, you've got it licked!" :P :P :P
Ron.
A fishy fanny was always a passion killer. :(
.......and yes I also remember when a full bush was the norm.
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Um, because back then armpits were more visible than minges in summer clothing?
Ron.
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Hairy Whitemouse's problem was that she wasn't getting any!
A good rogering would have soon sorted her out - if there were anyone brave enough to do it! ::) :o
Ron.
Self appointed moral guardian. >:(
No more than a nosey dried-up old crone. :(
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Oh gosh, I DO remeber: we used to say "once you've got past the smell, you've got it licked!" :P :P :P
Ron.
A fishy fanny was always a passion killer. :(
.......and yes I also remember when a full bush was the norm.
There you go, Opti, told you you’d be fine on our forum. ;D
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Your a bunch of old hopeless romantics. ::) :-X
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Your a bunch of old hopeless romantics. ::) :-X
Be quiet, you fanny ;D
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Had a mate in the army met this girl on a boozy night out did the full menu with her while she was on blob , the next morning he looked like a Lion who had been feasting on a. carcass !
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Had a mate in the army met this girl on a boozy night out did the full menu with her while she was on blob , the next morning he looked like a Lion who had been feasting on a. carcass !
He had a jam sandwich? ;D
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Always remember Wayne's reply when he got ribbed about this" she may have been ugly but she had an arse like a Silverback Gorilla ".
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I have tried to enter this thread, but this IS one that no women should tread!! :o :o :o :D :D
Men Only!! ;)
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We had the doors closed anyway, Lizzie! :P :P :P
Ron.
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I have tried to enter this thread, but this IS one that no women should tread!! :o :o :o :D :D
Men Only!! ;)
oh yes . . .brings back memories of the "Mens Bar" in my old Working Mens club.
It was like a sanctuary . . . no winging , moaning & cackling from the fairer sex . . .
plenty of good sexist jokes . . decent game of Brag or Kalooki . .only downside was in them days it
smelt of stale Double Diamond & Old Holbon . . . ;D ;D ;D
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Double diamond....that brings back memories......lovely ale, it was. When I first started drinking it was 1/10d a pint, about 9p now.
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Nowadays the only santuary seems to be the mancave - aka the garage! :(
Ron.
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My favourite used to be Watney's Cream Label, no longer brewed.
DIY kits are available which supposedly mimic the taste - they don't! :( :(
Ron.
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There you go boys......a touch of nostalgia. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRklsYZaxeQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRklsYZaxeQ)
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Proper beer, that and draught Bass. :y
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Proper beer, that and draught Bass. :y
...apparently it works wonders. :)
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Wayne had it all good beer & a bird with an arse he could stand his pint on 😀😁😂
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Wayne had it all good beer & a bird with an arse he could stand his pint on 😀😁😂
That is a sexist comment, Mr Tilbo.
Under feminist law sexist comments are no longer allowed. ;)
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Wayne had it all good beer & a bird with an arse he could stand his pint on 😀😁😂
That is a sexist comment, Mr Tilbo.
Under feminist law sexist comments are no longer allowed. ;)
It's called having a proper life years before all this offensive & politically correct nonsense raised its head,too old to change now Opti 😀
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Why would you need to change? All this PC crap and being offended on the behalf of others (who feel no offence anyway) is removing all the joy and humour from life.
Miserable gits!
Ron.
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Why would you need to change? All this PC crap and being offended on the behalf of others (who feel no offence anyway) is removing all the joy and humour from life.
Miserable gits!
Ron.
Exactly the world has gone absolutely bonkers, the people you see on TV spouting all this garbage should in my opinion not be given air time, put them all together on an island somewhere so they can live their boring lives together , simples😀
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Sorry, I can't agree about the beer, DD, Watney's Red Barrel, Flowers Keg, all rubbish beers brewed such that it could be delivered anywhere in the world, probably chemically adjusted. CAMRA was the force which, thankfully, did away with them, and we can now get real ale again. :y
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Yes, but how many of them actually believe the shite thatt they expound? I reckon maybe 10% of them, if that; the rest are just covering their arses. >:(
Ron.
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Sorry, I can't agree about the beer, DD, Watney's Red Barrel, Flowers Keg, all rubbish beers brewed such that it could be delivered anywhere in the world, probably chemically adjusted. CAMRA was the force which, thankfully, did away with them, and we can now get real ale again. :y
Absolutely :y. Most (if not all) of them were utter crap, as were most of the rubbish lagers. We used to go out and drink 8 or more pints a night. You could do that because they were so pissy weak.
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Lager is the biggest marketing triumph of all time: back in the day, it was either a girlies' drink, with lime, or a poofs' drink, but not for men!
After strong advertising and macho imaging, it became something acceptable for blokes to drink, even though you hardly change it either in colour or taste as it passes through you! :D
Ron.
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Lager is the biggest marketing triumph of all time: back in the day, it was either a girlies' drink, with lime, or a poofs' drink, but not for men!
After strong advertising and macho imaging, it became something acceptable for blokes to drink, even though you hardly change it either in colour or taste as it passes through you! :D
Ron.
Sexist and homophobic in one post. ::) ;)
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And knows what lager tastes like after it has passed through you ! :o ;D ;D
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And knows what lager tastes like after it has passed through you ! :o ;D ;D
Ron does, obviously.
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Lager is the biggest marketing triumph of all time: back in the day, it was either a girlies' drink, with lime, or a poofs' drink, but not for men!
After strong advertising and macho imaging, it became something acceptable for blokes to drink, even though you hardly change it either in colour or taste as it passes through you! :D
A double hit - I am proud!
Ron.
Ron.
Sexist and homophobic in one post. ::) ;)