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Title: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2018, 17:47:22
...........the Peugeot 605 2.2 HDI became the first diesel car to come with a DPF as standard in the year 2000. It would be another nine years before the 'technology' became mandatory on all derv cars.

Just thought the 'lorry fuel enthusiasts' amongst you would like to know. :)

Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 17 February 2018, 20:12:47
Even by diesel living standards, that is a very dull fact.  :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 February 2018, 20:57:15
Our Lord has too much time on his hands!  ;D
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2018, 21:06:54
Even by diesel living standards, that is a very dull fact.  :y

Diesel, dull?

How is that possible with an engine that revs to  4000 RPM and sounds like a Leyland bus.. ::) ::) :)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2018, 22:19:19
Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 17 February 2018, 22:46:13
The 435d is a monster. A colleague had one, would comfortably show my M140i a clean pair of heels  :o
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 February 2018, 23:04:45
My 19 year old 530d is pretty quick but has the turbo lag characteristic of the era!  :-\

It sounds like a bus as well!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 18 February 2018, 11:00:23
My family and friends are under instruction to shoot me if I ever purchase a Peugeot Diseasel. ::)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2018, 11:51:13
As Mark stated, but the dinosaurs decided to ignore, Euro6 diesels are cleaner than petrol, with much better economy. Keep that head firmly buried in the sand.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 February 2018, 11:54:41
My boss had just bought a C350D. It goes like stink according to him, and he is a former Monaro driver and lifelong petrolhead. I'm not convinced though. Give me a petrol V8 any day.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 February 2018, 12:48:32
Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B. :-\

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'

Why would a man spend £100,000+ on a Porsche Panamera  but then say to himself...... I'm happy to own a £100,0000 car that sounds like a cement mixer and has a redline of 4500 RPM provided as my car does 30 MPG instead of 20 MPG, and saves me a few hundred quid on road tax.

It just doesn't add up. :-\

Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 18 February 2018, 14:04:42
It just doesn't add up. :-\

If I had to guess, I would say it’s company car rules. A number of schemes (including our exec scheme) cap the CO2 that a car can produce and still be allowed in the scheme. So drivers likely face the choice of the Panamera or (say) a 2.0T Mondeo petrol as both produce similar CO2.

Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 February 2018, 14:20:28
It just doesn't add up. :-\

If I had to guess, I would say it’s company car rules. A number of schemes (including our exec scheme) cap the CO2 that a car can produce and still be allowed in the scheme. So drivers likely face the choice of the Panamera or (say) a 2.0T Mondeo petrol as both produce similar CO2.

Interesting point, Jimmy.
 
However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society. :)

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate. :'(
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 February 2018, 14:28:18
The 435d is a monster. A colleague had one, would comfortably show my M140i a clean pair of heels  :o

I'm surprised your M140i was reliable enough for long enough to find out. ;)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 February 2018, 15:37:39
This probably explains why our Finace director swapped his gorgeous Aston DB9 (?) for a hideous Panamera Diesel.  ::)
Doesn't make sense to me either, but there you go.
The man bought a house for almost a million quid, then promptly had it demolished and built another house where it stood, just because he liked the plot of land it was on.  ::)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Andy B on 18 February 2018, 15:41:10
Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B. :-\

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'

Why would a man spend £100,000+ on a Porsche Panamera  but then say to himself...... I'm happy to own a £100,0000 car that sounds like a cement mixer and has a redline of 4500 RPM provided as my car does 30 MPG instead of 20 MPG, and saves me a few hundred quid on road tax.

It just doesn't add up. :-\

My main car is a diseasal.
It's crap on mpg .... low/mid 20s around town, I can get 30/32 on a (solo) motorway run & its top VED but it's a good tow car for my large twin axle caravan  :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 18 February 2018, 18:12:02
Interesting point, Jimmy.
 
However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society. :)

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate. :'(

For the head cods at our place the rules are:
- no convertibles
- no 2 door cars unless a 4 door version of the same exists eg. No 911s but 6 series coupe would be ok
- no car above a certain CO2 band (not sure what)

Favourites are Panameras (2-3 of them), that big Maserati with the awful interior (2-3), 1 Range Rover and at least 2 Tesla.

I was offered a selection of dismal vehicles, the best (and I use the word extremely loosely) being a 1.6tdi Audi A3. ::). So took cash instead.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: henryd on 18 February 2018, 21:35:19
Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B. :-\

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'

Why would a man spend £100,000+ on a Porsche Panamera  but then say to himself...... I'm happy to own a £100,0000 car that sounds like a cement mixer and has a redline of 4500 RPM provided as my car does 30 MPG instead of 20 MPG, and saves me a few hundred quid on road tax.

It just doesn't add up. :-\

My main car is a diseasal.
It's crap on mpg .... low/mid 20s around town, I can get 30/32 on a (solo) motorway run & its top VED but it's a good tow car for my large twin axle caravan  :y

Our main is a diesel too,my old disco v8 was I thought a good towcar,the Touareg with half the capacity and an auto box would pull the landrover in half and does about twice as many to the gallon,hmmm,difficult  choice int it ::) :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: zirk on 18 February 2018, 21:37:23
This probably explains why our Finace director swapped his gorgeous Aston DB9 (?) for a hideous Panamera Diesel.  ::)
Doesn't make sense to me either, but there you go.
The man bought a house for almost a million quid, then promptly had it demolished and built another house where it stood, just because he liked the plot of land it was on.  ::)
Sounds like He's got Ownership issues.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: aaronjb on 19 February 2018, 09:37:40
Interesting point, Jimmy.
 
However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society. :)

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate. :'(

For the head cods at our place the rules are:
- no convertibles
- no 2 door cars unless a 4 door version of the same exists eg. No 911s but 6 series coupe would be ok
- no car above a certain CO2 band (not sure what)

Favourites are Panameras (2-3 of them), that big Maserati with the awful interior (2-3), 1 Range Rover and at least 2 Tesla.

I was offered a selection of dismal vehicles, the best (and I use the word extremely loosely) being a 1.6tdi Audi A3. ::). So took cash instead.

I was about to say - the rules explain the Maseratis in the car park.. (Which I thought were Quattroportes, but I could be wrong)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 February 2018, 10:40:21
Interesting point, Jimmy.
 
However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society. :)

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate. :'(

For the head cods at our place the rules are:
- no convertibles
- no 2 door cars unless a 4 door version of the same exists eg. No 911s but 6 series coupe would be ok
- no car above a certain CO2 band (not sure what)

Favourites are Panameras (2-3 of them), that big Maserati with the awful interior (2-3), 1 Range Rover and at least 2 Tesla.

I was offered a selection of dismal vehicles, the best (and I use the word extremely loosely) being a 1.6tdi Audi A3. ::). So took cash instead.

I was about to say - the rules explain the Maseratis in the car park.. (Which I thought were Quattroportes, but I could be wrong)



When I was young a 'company car' took the form of an elderly MK1 Escort van complete with a grey primer wing and door. :-\

As for a Maserati, I would have needed to choose between a Bora or a Khamsin. :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 February 2018, 11:15:28
As for a Maserati, I would have needed to choose between a Bora or a Khamsin. :y

Now we're talking. :-*
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Keith ABS on 20 February 2018, 10:22:51
  Would have to be the Quattroporte for me
But, would love one of those new Alfa saloons of which the mane escapes me.
Rated as better than the M3
But I would rate a Yugo as better than an M3 myself

Keith ABS
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: YZ250 on 20 February 2018, 11:03:12
  Would have to be the Quattroporte for me
But, would love one of those new Alfa saloons of which the mane escapes me.
Rated as better than the M3
But I would rate a Yugo as better than an M3 myself

Keith ABS

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2018, 11:33:55
Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B. :-\

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'


Sane mine? Is this genuine or just pi$$ taking?  :-\

For me, I am strongly looking at a performance diesel, as I want 6 cylinders and RWD. Take the diesel XF-S with 3.0d lump, currently my ideal choice to replace the 3.2. (Maybe XJ 3.0d)

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8. But that means huge price tag difference as it's XF-R not XF-S, I cannot afford the difference. This is the key issue, the alternative petrol version in 2008-15 era are not there for second hand market. It *has* to be a diesel, this may change in around 5 years, as the current low VED and more choice of petrols, filter down to second hand market.

Secondly, VED. All big petrols of this vintage, until very recently carry the £500+ VED. The performance diesel XF is no more than my current 3.2 petrol for VED.

Then there is MPG, I could expect mid to high 30's out of an XF 3.0d, maybe even into the 40's as you've seen. Compare that to sub 20mpg of XF-R. I currently only do around 6-7k per year now, but that could very easily change to 12k-13k, so I would need flexibility of better MPG on a replacement.

So some very good reasons to pick a diesel.  ;)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 February 2018, 12:49:11

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2018, 12:50:44
I'm probably not the right person to consult about a 'sane mind' because I pay £46.81 each month to tax the mighty Signum......exactly the same as I pay for the Jag. :-\ :-\

An average mileage 2013 XFR can be had for around £25000 which is cheaper than a new Mondeo/Insignia. Servicing costs can be kept reasonable if the Jaguar 3+ servicing plan is used.

Fuel consumption may be 'slightly inferior' to the XFS diesel. :-X
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: STEMO on 20 February 2018, 12:56:01

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)
I'd leave that particular one alone. Four previous owners and an MOT due in a few weeks. If they were serious about a sale, they would get it MOT'd.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2018, 12:56:46
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Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)


That looks tidy for a 10 year old car. Relatively low miles as well.

More importantly it runs on petrol just as the good lord intended. :)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2018, 12:59:11

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)
I'd leave that particular one alone. Four previous owners and an MOT due in a few weeks. If they were serious about a sale, they would get it MOT'd.

You may be right .......or it could be that it's for sale following a death and they just want it gone.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 February 2018, 13:33:47
I'd leave that particular one alone. Four previous owners and an MOT due in a few weeks. If they were serious about a sale, they would get it MOT'd.

May well be right. As always caveat emptor.

TBH, given you only want about £1k more for the diesel (which equates to about 3yrs road tax savings) which is quicker, 25-30% more economical and has a better range, in not sure there is much to recommend the petrol v6.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2018, 13:36:54
I'd leave that particular one alone. Four previous owners and an MOT due in a few weeks. If they were serious about a sale, they would get it MOT'd.

May well be right. As always caveat emptor.

TBH, given you only want about £1k more for the diesel (which equates to about 3yrs road tax savings) which is quicker, 25-30% more economical and has a better range, in not sure there is much to recommend the petrol v6.

Pay more for derv. :o :o :o :o.....what kind of madness is this that has taken hold of you. :D ;)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2018, 19:02:24

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)

But as my comments, it’s not vintage I’m looking at. I’m looking at 2013 facelift XF-S, they dropped the 3.0 V6 petrol.

Also note stupid VED!
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: TheBoy on 20 February 2018, 19:22:59
The 3.0 v6 XF petrol, even the older NA one, isn't a bad motor really.  I had one on a several hour test drive, and what a lovely car to drive (except the AC was bust, and in was a bloody hot day ;D).  Would certainly give the Omega 3.2 a good spanking, but would be embarrassed by the more powerful variants of the 3.0d, be it the 271bhp or the later 300bhp ones.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2018, 19:25:08
2013 XFS 3.0D.....Mr Tunnie. :y

A nice example but only 240 BHP. The 2017 XFS I had on loan recently came with 300 BHP.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571)

My mistake, this one comes with 275 PS/271 BHP. :-[
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2018, 20:14:42
2013 XFS 3.0D.....Mr Tunnie. :y

A nice example but only 240 BHP. The 2017 XFS I had on loan recently came with 300 BHP.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571)

My mistake, this one comes with 275 PS/271 BHP. :-[

That’s what I’d like, but with black interior  :y

Seen examples for £15k with say 70k on the clock
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 February 2018, 21:37:48

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)
Ah yes, but it's too saloon/old/high mileage/wrong colour*

*delete as applicable  :D
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 February 2018, 21:52:19

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)

But as my comments, it’s not vintage I’m looking at. I’m looking at 2013 facelift XF-S, they dropped the 3.0 V6 petrol.

Also note stupid VED!

I didn't realise you wanted 2013 on, only Saw2008-2015 in your post, hence comment. V.E .D. is annoying granted.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 February 2018, 11:52:29
2013 XFS 3.0D.....Mr Tunnie. :y

A nice example but only 240 BHP. The 2017 XFS I had on loan recently came with 300 BHP.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571)

My mistake, this one comes with 275 PS/271 BHP. :-[

That’s what I’d like, but with black interior  :y

Seen examples for £15k with say 70k on the clock

A sizeable amount of money for many.  Barely one month of salary for you. :)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 21 February 2018, 12:06:35
2013 XFS 3.0D.....Mr Tunnie. :y

A nice example but only 240 BHP. The 2017 XFS I had on loan recently came with 300 BHP.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243050571)

My mistake, this one comes with 275 PS/271 BHP. :-[

That’s what I’d like, but with black interior  :y

Seen examples for £15k with say 70k on the clock

A sizeable amount of money for many.  Barely one month of salary for you. :)

I wish  :D


Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1)

But as my comments, it’s not vintage I’m looking at. I’m looking at 2013 facelift XF-S, they dropped the 3.0 V6 petrol.

Also note stupid VED!

I didn't realise you wanted 2013 on, only Saw2008-2015 in your post, hence comment. V.E .D. is annoying granted.

Sorry yes, meant 2008-15 generally no real petrol version alternatives, not in big numbers anyway, especially in RWD.

Facelifted XF has some significant improvements, hence I would only consider one of these.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Viral_Jim on 21 February 2018, 12:21:11
Interesting, didn't realise that, I thought they just tweaked the shape of the nose, oh and tweaked the power output on a couple of the engines
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: aaronjb on 21 February 2018, 13:07:42
A sizeable amount of money for many.  Barely one month of salary for you. :)

If it was, I'd be applying for jobs at Sky right now ;D
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 21 February 2018, 13:32:33
Interesting, didn't realise that, I thought they just tweaked the shape of the nose, oh and tweaked the power output on a couple of the engines

Far improved in car nav screen and general entertainment, S spec came with uprated seats as standard (option before) lots small improvements  :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 February 2018, 13:38:37
Interesting, didn't realise that, I thought they just tweaked the shape of the nose, oh and tweaked the power output on a couple of the engines

Facelift car arrived around 2011.

Around 2012/13 the 8 speed ZF auto replaced the 6 speed version for improved economy, along with stop/start which I always switch off.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: YZ250 on 21 February 2018, 15:44:44
The 435d is a monster. A colleague had one, would comfortably show my M140i a clean pair of heels  :o

I can vouch for that from personal experience but the D3 is even quicker.  :y  Not bad for a car that will still do 50mpg ..... but not at 170mph obviously.  ::)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: TheBoy on 21 February 2018, 19:08:18
Facelifted XF has some significant improvements, hence I would only consider one of these.
Not drastically different for Portfolio spec.  I have copies of the standard features pages from the brochures for both pre facelifted 2011 model and 2012 facelifted model.

If you were stepping down a notch, the facelifted Premium Luxury offers HIDs over the PFL equiv...   ...not that many Jags from the Tata era are usually standard spec.


The real killer with the FL version is the stupid stop-start wank, and the early 8 speed ZF autos had a high warranty rate (as did the early 6 speed, but was resolved by the time the XF came along).
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 21 February 2018, 21:18:58
Vw had stop start, was not really a fan due to diesel start up feel.

Would consider Premium Luxury, as you say it has HIDs which is a must.

Needs to be XF-S due to sports seats and other little touches I like.

That said car share still going well, so no urgent need to replace the 3.2.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: TheBoy on 22 February 2018, 19:24:15
Vw had stop start, was not really a fan due to diesel start up feel.

Would consider Premium Luxury, as you say it has HIDs which is a must.

Needs to be XF-S due to sports seats and other little touches I like.

That said car share still going well, so no urgent need to replace the 3.2.
I didn't notice any difference, visually or feel, between XF and XFS seats for same model ie Prem Luxury or Portfolio...
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 22 February 2018, 22:15:33
Vw had stop start, was not really a fan due to diesel start up feel.

Would consider Premium Luxury, as you say it has HIDs which is a must.

Needs to be XF-S due to sports seats and other little touches I like.

That said car share still going well, so no urgent need to replace the 3.2.
I didn't notice any difference, visually or feel, between XF and XFS seats for same model ie Prem Luxury or Portfolio...
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Huge difference visually!
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 22 February 2018, 22:16:51
Huge difference visually!
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 22 February 2018, 22:18:36
XF-S

https://goo.gl/images/6Fv6HM (https://goo.gl/images/6Fv6HM)

Standard XF

https://goo.gl/images/qyg41i (https://goo.gl/images/qyg41i)

Not latest version, older shape.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 22 February 2018, 22:30:16
Better example.

XF-S: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801112639526?atmobcid=soc3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801112639526?atmobcid=soc3)

Regular. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801082553903?atmobcid=soc3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801082553903?atmobcid=soc3)

Look at the seats  :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 February 2018, 22:37:18
XFS seats look the same as mine, I think, just a different colour.......as dies electric seat control. Eighteen way on my car.

My have both heating and coolers. I presume XFS is the same.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 February 2018, 23:19:29
XFS seats look the same as mine, I think, just a different colour.......as dies electric seat control. Eighteen way on my car.

My have both heating and coolers. I presume a 10 year old Mondeo is the same.

 ;)  :y
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 February 2018, 10:42:11
XFS seats look the same as mine, I think, just a different colour.......as dies electric seat control. Eighteen way on my car.

My have both heating and coolers. I presume a 10 year old Mondeo is the same.

 ;)  :y


Yes...the 'titty X' is well specified. :)
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: TheBoy on 23 February 2018, 18:25:29
Huge difference visually!
As said, for the Portfolios I was looking at, can't say I noticed the difference between the XF and XFS.  There was a noticeable difference between Prem Luxury and Portfolio, from a comfort viewpoint - not that the Prem Luxury was in any way uncomfortable.

Maybe they all had same seats - apart from the base spec stuff, most have unique specs.

The downside is, they are all leather, therefore not as great as they could be. Portfolio XFs do have seat coolers as standard, which helps a bit in the summer.
Title: Re: According to Autocar magazine.....
Post by: tunnie on 24 February 2018, 10:15:57
Huge difference visually!
As said, for the Portfolios I was looking at, can't say I noticed the difference between the XF and XFS.  There was a noticeable difference between Prem Luxury and Portfolio, from a comfort viewpoint - not that the Prem Luxury was in any way uncomfortable.

Maybe they all had same seats - apart from the base spec stuff, most have unique specs.

The downside is, they are all leather, therefore not as great as they could be. Portfolio XFs do have seat coolers as standard, which helps a bit in the summer.

Noticed later ones of previous shape had a R Sport trim, with partial leather. No memory seats though.