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[Varche]

Apparently, ships computers are not that well protected, not civilian ones anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40685821

The control networks cannot be connected to the internet, they are class rules.

We have dual redundant networks (A and B) with all controllers (distributed around the vessel) and HMI stations on these networks, to connect to the internet would need human intervention......which then breaks class rules and approvals and probably voids the insurance

There was an interesting item on the vulnerability to and fraud etc of ships. One i liked was a small programme applied by USB stick which after refuelling the Email with cost had the pay to bank account changed by the virus. Cost them a lot of money. Might still be on Bbc .co.uk

How does the US autonomous navy vessel work that was launched last year if not by the Internet? Even if not the Internet presmably it is hackable?

[Gaffers]

Been working in MK for the last 6 months and likely to continue for the next year or so.

Crap, I'm going to have to moderate my piss-taking if you're that close to me!

You needn't worry, I dont know where you live

It's not even like I'd hear the milk float coming..

The milk float is gone and my scoobie is dead so if you see a dark blue s-type with a personalised plate, give me a wave

I shall keep an eye out, and give you a special one fingered wave

If you see a black XJ, do likewise

Problem is that there are many of them around here, but I shall keep the eyes peeled mofo

[Rods2]

One of the first checks to make on an air-gapped system; plug in a USB wifi card (alba preferably) and setup your mobile as a wifi hotspot.  You would be suprised how many fail (ie how many will connect to the wifi)

Makes you wonder how many bored Jack Tars (or merchant seamen), stuck on a ship in port, finds a local wifi connection to share across the ship's network with his buddies. They home in on some great adult entertainment web sites complete with security services malware extras?

[Marks DTM Calib]

One of the first checks to make on an air-gapped system; plug in a USB wifi card (alba preferably) and setup your mobile as a wifi hotspot.  You would be suprised how many fail (ie how many will connect to the wifi)

Makes you wonder how many bored Jack Tars (or merchant seamen), stuck on a ship in port, finds a local wifi connection to share across the ship's network with his buddies. They home in on some great adult entertainment web sites complete with security services malware extras?

Ships have multiple networks and that includes a 'general' one for the likes of media and general computing, this will have a satellite based broadband connection (not overly quick, FB500 or better), servers etc

The vessel I am working on at the moment has a full media pack (in addition to the on-board gym, virtual swimming pool, cinema etc.) which includes the ability to stream films to a local PC/tablet, view live sport etc. but, this network is totally separate to the vessel control networks, the safety networks, drilling networks, crane networks etc. 

[Kevin Wood]

Bit like how the CAN networks on cars controlling the engine ECU, ABS system and so on are completely separate to the entertainment system, sat nav, telematics box with internet connectivity, etc.. 

Oh, Hang on!

[Sir Tigger KC]

The vessel I am working on at the moment has a full media pack (in addition to the on-board gym, virtual swimming pool, cinema etc.) which includes the ability to stream films to a local PC/tablet, view live sport etc. but, this network is totally separate to the vessel control networks, the safety networks, drilling networks, crane networks etc. 

Virtual swimming pool.....  I have an image of someone sat in the bath with a big pair of goggles! 

[STEMO]

The vessel I am working on at the moment has a full media pack (in addition to the on-board gym, virtual swimming pool, cinema etc.) which includes the ability to stream films to a local PC/tablet, view live sport etc. but, this network is totally separate to the vessel control networks, the safety networks, drilling networks, crane networks etc. 

Virtual swimming pool.....  I have an image of someone sat in the bath with a big pair of goggles! 

 With a cup of tea and a laptop   

[Marks DTM Calib]

Bit like how the CAN networks on cars controlling the engine ECU, ABS system and so on are completely separate to the entertainment system, sat nav, telematics box with internet connectivity, etc.. 

Oh, Hang on!

Except they are physically not connected at all, the CAN networks are supposed to be connected and hence have a bridge device in them 

[Marks DTM Calib]

The vessel I am working on at the moment has a full media pack (in addition to the on-board gym, virtual swimming pool, cinema etc.) which includes the ability to stream films to a local PC/tablet, view live sport etc. but, this network is totally separate to the vessel control networks, the safety networks, drilling networks, crane networks etc. 

Virtual swimming pool.....  I have an image of someone sat in the bath with a big pair of goggles! 

Its one of these (three in fact) big bath tubs with a bloody great pump which creates 'flow'

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The vessel I am working on at the moment has a full media pack (in addition to the on-board gym, virtual swimming pool, cinema etc.) which includes the ability to stream films to a local PC/tablet, view live sport etc. but, this network is totally separate to the vessel control networks, the safety networks, drilling networks, crane networks etc. 

Virtual swimming pool.....  I have an image of someone sat in the bath with a big pair of goggles! 

I have an image of someone lying face down on a table, wearing a big pair of goggles, kicking their legs & arms in a circular motion. 

[Kevin Wood]

Bit like how the CAN networks on cars controlling the engine ECU, ABS system and so on are completely separate to the entertainment system, sat nav, telematics box with internet connectivity, etc.. 

Oh, Hang on!

Except they are physically not connected at all, the CAN networks are supposed to be connected and hence have a bridge device in them 

Exactly my point.. Hack the bridge device and...

[Rods2]

Thoughts seem to be coming down more and more where reductions mean the Pacific fleet is overstretched and under trained.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/24/navy-hits-dangerous-shoals-editorials-debates/596823001/

[Marks DTM Calib]

Bit like how the CAN networks on cars controlling the engine ECU, ABS system and so on are completely separate to the entertainment system, sat nav, telematics box with internet connectivity, etc.. 

Oh, Hang on!

Except they are physically not connected at all, the CAN networks are supposed to be connected and hence have a bridge device in them 

Exactly my point.. Hack the bridge device and...

There is no bridge, physically isolated and separate. The only connection between any do the systems is via relay io

[Lizzie Zoom]

Thoughts seem to be coming down more and more where reductions mean the Pacific fleet is overstretched and under trained.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/24/navy-hits-dangerous-shoals-editorials-debates/596823001/

The sad reality is that American power is declining with her financial fortunes, just as it did with the British Empire and all "empires" in the past, and to come.  They all collapse as the costs of keeping those entities running quickly exceeds the empires income.

No longer can the USA commit to unlimited military expenditure. It can no longer maintain strong presence around the whole Globe.  70 years ago the British had to rapidly give up on India as the cost to a bankrupt nation after WW2 of keeping an even small military presence there was just too great. The Americans, who owe trillions of dollars, are starting to go down that road, with already a vast reduction in their naval ability to police the high risk areas of the world and so protect their political and financial interests.

They are now fully on the road to decline, no matter what Trump may promise. The latest series of naval accidents are simply a small reflection of what is happening in the bigger picture.  I find this very sad and alarming, although as an historian it is not in the least unexpected.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I wouldn't write the U.S. off so quickly. They are the words greatest capitalists, its what their nation was built on, and if they can rid themselves of the lefty liberal nonsense which has infested, and is slowly but surely destroying the western world, theres no reason why they cant rise again and show the Chinese how real global capitalist power is done.
Its a big ask, but if the will is there, its doable.
The U.S. has never been an empire btw. It has been a(sometimes dominant) global power, but thats not the same thing. This may be why it has outlasted the USSR and will outlast the EU, as they were / are Empires.