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[Rangie]

Stupid stuck up bitch , thought she could hide behind her dog collar.

[YZ250]

I see that she’s handing her CBE back following a petition but that’s no consolation for the poor sub postmasters wrongly accused and found guilty.   
I’d only picked up snippets of this story in the past and hadn’t realised that it was such a large scale miscarriage of justice. I feel genuine anger towards the Post Office for blatantly lying to cover their incompetence and failing to see a significance of such a large amount of accountancy inaccuracies.

[ronnyd]

see that she’s handing her CBE back I following a petition but that’s no consolation for the poor sub postmasters wrongly accused and found guilty.   
I’d only picked up snippets of this story in the past and hadn’t realised that it was such a large scale miscarriage of justice. I feel genuine anger towards the Post Office for blatantly lying to cover their incompetence and failing to see a significance of such a large amount of accountancy inaccuracies.

Wonder if she'll give her 5 mill PO leaving handout back too! 

[STEMO]

see that she’s handing her CBE back I following a petition but that’s no consolation for the poor sub postmasters wrongly accused and found guilty.   
I’d only picked up snippets of this story in the past and hadn’t realised that it was such a large scale miscarriage of justice. I feel genuine anger towards the Post Office for blatantly lying to cover their incompetence and failing to see a significance of such a large amount of accountancy inaccuracies.

Wonder if she'll give her 5 mill PO leaving handout back too! 

Of course she will, as you or I would, Ron.




 

[ronnyd]

see that she’s handing her CBE back I following a petition but that’s no consolation for the poor sub postmasters wrongly accused and found guilty.   
I’d only picked up snippets of this story in the past and hadn’t realised that it was such a large scale miscarriage of justice. I feel genuine anger towards the Post Office for blatantly lying to cover their incompetence and failing to see a significance of such a large amount of accountancy inaccuracies.

Wonder if she'll give her 5 mill PO leaving handout back too! 

Of course she will, as you or I would, Ron.




 

Spot on Steve. 

[Andy B]

but why has it taken 20 years & a 4 part mini series on telly for anyone in gov to do anything about it? There was a Panorama episode about some years ago detailing most of Mr Allan Bates vs The PO

[YZ250]

I see that she’s handing her CBE back following a petition but that’s no consolation for the poor sub postmasters wrongly accused and found guilty………

Wonder if she'll give her 5 mill PO leaving handout back too! 

Funnily enough, she didn’t mention that.   

[Rangie]

When we lived in Croydon back in the eighties our next door neighbour was head of personnel for the post office, he took great delight in making workers redundant used to laugh about it , he is now riddled with the big C & has a miserable existence, what goes around comes around.

[YZ250]

but why has it taken 20 years & a 4 part mini series on telly for anyone in gov to do anything about it? There was a Panorama episode about some years ago detailing most of Mr Allan Bates vs The PO

The Panorama account was on YouTube over three years ago.    As you say, it’s taken a mini series to bring it to the forefront.

[dave the builder]

It shows how wrong the British legal system gets things quite often 

Hopefully a proper investigation NOW will name and shame ALL those involved in the cover up and injustice

[Rangie]

I really had no idea how long this disgraceful miscarriage had been dragging on for, the blatant lies that were told about a system that was obviously not fit for purpose,  I hope that the people affected get the justice they deserve .

[Sir Tigger KC]

I find it astonishing that it went on for so long, 15 years or so I think, and apparently no one at the Post Office thought it strange that there were so many Post Masters with their hand in the till. 

[STEMO]

I really had no idea how long this disgraceful miscarriage had been dragging on for, the blatant lies that were told about a system that was obviously not fit for purpose,  I hope that the people affected get the justice they deserve .

And, on the flip side, those who pushed to have them jailed, despite knowing the system was wrong, get their comeuppance.

[Andy B]

I find it astonishing that it went on for so long, 15 years or so I think, and apparently no one at the Post Office thought it strange that there were so many Post Masters with their hand in the till. 

more like 20

[Rangie]

I've just seen an article which stated that since this saga started all those years ago, Fujitsu the company  that supplied the equipment involved, has been awarded a further 150 government contracts, I wonder if backhanders were involved ? Surely not..😂

[Keith ABS]

It shows how wrong the British legal system gets things quite often 

Hopefully a proper investigation NOW will name and shame ALL those involved in the cover up and injustice

Prosecuted with the information supplied by the Post Office. Who would question evidense from a government dept run by B.Liar and Brown at the time if memory serves

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

When the prosecutions really kicked off Sir Ed Davey was Minister for postal services. Alan Bates wrote to him several times but Davey refused to meet him and just replied parroting the Post Office line.
He now says the Post office lied to him. Thats no excuse. When he was informed of problems, it was his job to ensure a proper investigation into it to get to the truth. That was why he was paid his ministerial salary.
In 2017, the Post office hired a big firm of lawyers ( HSF) to deal with the "criminal" postmasters.
Soon after, HSF hired Sir Ed Davey as an adviser on £15000 a month. Dont need to join many dots to work out what they hired him for.
If he can find a shred of decency somewhere within himself, he should retire from public life and give up his knighthood.

Starmer isnt blameless in this either. When he was DPP his department took over some of the post office prosecutions including the case of Seema Misra.
She was sent to prison, and she says the only reason she didnt kill herself was that she was pregnant at the time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50756192

https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2217/2151

Im no great lover of the Tories, but credit where its due. Tory MP James (now Lord) Abuthnot, heard about the case. He took it on, got his teeth into it and didnt give up until some kind of justice was in sight.
As an aside. Several senior civil servants were on the board of the Post office (on £40k pa each) while all this was happening.

One criticism of the ITV programme is that it left out any mention of Alan Crozier. He took over at the top of the Post office after Vennels left.
After that he became head of ITV and its studios, who made the programme. I read that he still holds shares in ITV.
He is now head of BT.

Imo quite a few senior people from Post office, Fujitsu, and probably politics should be put behind bars over this.
Innocent people took their own lives. Many people had their lives destroyed or severely damaged.
Probably wont happen though. 

[countrywoman]

And worse bit is they still use the same accounting system, local post master was on radio the other day saying she had just had a 5 grand discrepancy in her accounts wiped off.

[TheBoy]

but why has it taken 20 years & a 4 part mini series on telly for anyone in gov to do anything about it? There was a Panorama episode about some years ago detailing most of Mr Allan Bates vs The PO

As I understand it, neither the PO or Fijitsu have actually admitted there is a (substantial (as all software has bugs)) issue with the system, and it's still running today. Is it still cocking up today?


Sadly, in this day and age, it has to be on trash tv* for anybody to notice, and politicians only take an interest when its obvious which way the public mood is going.


*not seen the series yet (but intend to), not idea if its crap or not, but you know what I mean.

[Doctor Gollum]

Since we have lived where we are, almost 24 years, we're on our fourth post office. All previous iterations have either been dumped or found this issue so horrific to deal with that they've walked from the contract.

One place had an auditor/security bod in checking up because the discrepancies were consistently large. She made a point of hand writing every single entry and when they compared the two the manual notes were a couple of grand off compared to what the system thought it would be. Her choice, make up the shortfall or go to court. Suffice to say she shut both the post office and pet shop that it was based in because it simply wasn't viable.

[ronnyd]

but why has it taken 20 years & a 4 part mini series on telly for anyone in gov to do anything about it? There was a Panorama episode about some years ago detailing most of Mr Allan Bates vs The PO

As I understand it, neither the PO or Fijitsu have actually admitted there is a (substantial (as all software has bugs)) issue with the system, and it's still running today. Is it still cocking up today?


Sadly, in this day and age, it has to be on trash tv* for anybody to notice, and politicians only take an interest when its obvious which way the public mood is going.


*not seen the series yet (but intend to), not idea if its crap or not, but you know what I mean.

Must admit that i found it guite good. Even the 'fiction' parts weren't over the top either. Also, the 'real story 'episode is well made too.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Since we have lived where we are, almost 24 years, we're on our fourth post office. All previous iterations have either been dumped or found this issue so horrific to deal with that they've walked from the contract.

Our Post Office recently closed. No idea why, but our town now has no banks or a Post Office. 

[Rangie]

Since we have lived where we are, almost 24 years, we're on our fourth post office. All previous iterations have either been dumped or found this issue so horrific to deal with that they've walked from the contract.

Our Post Office recently closed. No idea why, but our town now has no banks or a Post Office. 

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We're spoilt for choice here ,we have 4 at present.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/post-office-tried-to-change-tv-drama-says-mr-bates-producer/ar-AA1mO430?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=38d59d7da883478cdcfc731a78537ab4&ei=39