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Title: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 March 2019, 11:50:17
... appear to be more drastic than first expected...

WestSussexFire crews are dealing with "a significant fire" at the Tesla car dealership building on County Oak Way in #Crawley. Six engines and an Aerial Ladder Platform are at the scene.

Must say, from work it certainly looked impressive.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Varche on 02 March 2019, 12:12:16
Ah yes but the Tesla 3 is now cheap enough to afford. Soon we will all have electric cars..
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Entwood on 02 March 2019, 17:59:43
Looks pretty serious .... fire/Water damaged cheapies available ??  :) :)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47427311
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: STEMO on 02 March 2019, 18:06:14
Looks pretty serious .... fire/Water damaged cheapies available ??  :) :)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-47427311
Water damaged battery operated device? No thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 March 2019, 18:12:01
Hmmm, fire scorched aluminium and waterlogged lipo batteries... Warranty you say? 🤔
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Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 March 2019, 18:12:17
Spontaneous combusting batteries?  ???  :-\  ::)
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: STEMO on 02 March 2019, 18:15:26
Spontaneous combusting batteries?  ???  :-\  ::)
Imagine the firemen. "I fancy that one, fill it up with your hose, but mind the batteries".  ;D
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 March 2019, 18:23:57
Spontaneous combusting batteries?  ???  :-\  ::)
They don't have form for it... Much.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: TheBoy on 03 March 2019, 09:20:59
Do not under estimate the volativity of the lithium packs used on EVs.  They become unstable with temperature, and easily suffer impact damage, which is one of the reasons you are not allowed to airmail such batteries.

Various lithium batts are popular in the modelling world, and I've seen them explode (not just catch fire) when charging, when heavy discharging, and when crashing.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 March 2019, 09:36:28
I used have several 'debates' with passengers travelling with mobility scooters with Lion and Lipo batteries. The issue being that they fall into the Dry Cell category, because technically they are dry cells. Most airlines insist that they are carried in the cabin rather than the hold.

I always reverted to the Valuejet crash as that was a textbook example of what happens with a self fuelled hold fire.

The official incident time line makes quite chilling reading.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Nick W on 03 March 2019, 12:12:05
Do not under estimate the volativity of the lithium packs used on EVs.  They become unstable with temperature, and easily suffer impact damage, which is one of the reasons you are not allowed to airmail such batteries.



Don't underestimate the 415volt 3 phase power that they supply when connected either.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 March 2019, 17:07:40
They can trim their dealerships back as far as they like , pig ugly & overpriced.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 March 2019, 19:15:33
They can trim their dealerships back as far as they like , pig ugly & overpriced.
Have to agree to disagree on the former, but I am wholeheartedly with you on the latter...

Recently had a look at them on Autotrader and you can buy a nice house in Great Yarmouth for what the current Model S costs :o

Used start at over £35k. Did consider one for work when the P90D was launched... the numbers almost worked. The way they haven't depreciated over the last 6/7 years, it would have effectively been free... ::)
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: aaronjb on 03 March 2019, 20:19:56
Recently had a look at them on Autotrader and you can buy a nice house in Great Yarmouth for what the current Model S costs :o

You could say that about a lot of cars, though.. big Mercs, for example, or a Range Rover, or a Q7, or a 911..
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 March 2019, 20:48:11
Recently had a look at them on Autotrader and you can buy a nice house in Great Yarmouth for what the current Model S costs :o

You could say that about a lot of cars, though.. big Mercs, for example, or a Range Rover, or a Q7, or a 911..
True enough. Makes you wonder who actually buys enough cars at that price point to justify building so many of them  :-\

That said, VAG are clearly trying to squeeze every penny out of their larger SUV platforms judging by the constant barrage of ads for the latest Skoda/Seat offerings...

Even relatively main stream cars seem to be starting at over £30k :o
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: aaronjb on 03 March 2019, 20:52:49
I see plenty rolling around here - especially Q7s, usually parked outside of houses that look barely worth the same as the car; I always wonder how people afford them.. I mean, I'm well paid and even I drew the line at a Superb, not a Q7! ;D
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 March 2019, 20:55:44
 ;D

Even if the PCP/Fleece deals are reasonable and possibly readily affordable, the mileage allowances are barely enough to get to the shops and back once a week. Increase the mileage and the payments rise almost exponentially...
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: aaronjb on 03 March 2019, 21:00:45
I just checked - the Q7 Black Edition is £650/mo for 10k miles PA, the regular edition is £550.. even I can't bring myself to pay that much a month ;D

Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 March 2019, 21:22:08
I just checked - the Q7 Black Edition is £650/mo for 10k miles PA, the regular edition is £550.. even I can't bring myself to pay that much a month ;D

Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..
What deposit though? Throw in the tyres and fuel and that house in Great Yarmouth starts to look like a really good idea :D
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Andy B on 03 March 2019, 21:54:19
I see plenty rolling around here - especially Q7s, usually parked outside of houses that look barely worth the same as the car; I always wonder how people afford them.. I mean, I'm well paid and even I drew the line at a Superb, not a Q7! ;D

Likewise  :-\
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Andy B on 03 March 2019, 21:56:11
...

Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2019, 22:13:50
I wasn't aware that they cost that much to own/run. Even here in Barnsley (not what you'd describe as an affluent area), there are loads of Audi Q's, big mercs, beemers, etc. Saw two Teslas on the high street by us last week. And jags, specifically the F Pace, they're fickin everywhere.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2019, 22:22:32
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Andy B on 03 March 2019, 23:14:40
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.

Someone paid £63000 for my car when new  :o :o :o :o :o so that's £37000 depreciation in 5yrs
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: TheBoy on 04 March 2019, 17:18:51
Used start at over £35k. Did consider one for work when the P90D was launched... the numbers almost worked. The way they haven't depreciated over the last 6/7 years, it would have effectively been free... ::)
If you consider a £35k battery pack a service item ;)

Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: TheBoy on 04 March 2019, 17:20:32
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.

Someone paid £63000 for my car when new  :o :o :o :o :o so that's £37000 depreciation in 5yrs
Bit like our Omegas, list was around £30k, I never spent £4k on any I owned....
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 04 March 2019, 17:32:06
Our three vehicles new would have been £93,000 absolutely crazy! They stand me £12,800 would break my heart to lose £80,000 in depreciation.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 March 2019, 08:18:27
Everybody seems to lease them these days (including me for one of ours), that said its an unlimited mileage, just add fuel massively discounted scheme......so I would be mad not to
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2019, 10:02:28
Everybody seems to lease them these days (including me for one of ours), that said its an unlimited mileage, just add fuel massively discounted scheme......so I would be mad not to
I'm pretty sure that's some kind of special deal, Mark. Unlimited mileage deals are not generally available and would cost a fortune if you asked for a quote.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 March 2019, 10:39:59
Used start at over £35k. Did consider one for work when the P90D was launched... the numbers almost worked. The way they haven't depreciated over the last 6/7 years, it would have effectively been free... ::)
If you consider a £35k battery pack a service item ;)
At the time I was considering, the batteries had lifetime warranties and free, unlimited use of the European supercharger network. Which was nice :y
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 March 2019, 15:04:43
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.

Someone paid £63000 for my car when new  :o :o :o :o :o so that's £37000 depreciation in 5yrs
Bit like our Omegas, list was around £30k, I never spent £4k on any I owned....

My most expensive Omega was my first one, which cost me £1200.  :)
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 March 2019, 15:17:27
Everybody seems to lease them these days (including me for one of ours), that said its an unlimited mileage, just add fuel massively discounted scheme......so I would be mad not to
I'm pretty sure that's some kind of special deal, Mark. Unlimited mileage deals are not generally available and would cost a fortune if you asked for a quote.

Oh it is, if I wanted a quote as a layman it would be hugely expensive!

The replacement arrives in two weeks (Velar) and the F-Pace will have circa 27k miles on it (about 8 months old), the day after the new one arrives, I order the replacement  :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 06 March 2019, 17:01:11
Is that a mgmt. scheme, or just an employee scheme?

That said, her role is definitely not 100% certain in the current climate...
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Shackeng on 07 March 2019, 09:54:05
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 March 2019, 15:43:44
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X

Possibly the most disappointing car I have been in given the price tag  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: tunnie on 07 March 2019, 15:50:03
Everybody seems to lease them these days (including me for one of ours), that said its an unlimited mileage, just add fuel massively discounted scheme......so I would be mad not to
I'm pretty sure that's some kind of special deal, Mark. Unlimited mileage deals are not generally available and would cost a fortune if you asked for a quote.

Oh it is, if I wanted a quote as a layman it would be hugely expensive!

The replacement arrives in two weeks (Velar) and the F-Pace will have circa 27k miles on it (about 8 months old), the day after the new one arrives, I order the replacement  :y

I'm still waiting for the days when JLR bring their mobile app development in house (for car controls) , I could do a commute to JLR land if I was on that kind of scheme.  :)
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 March 2019, 16:33:14
They already have
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Post by: Shackeng on 07 March 2019, 17:07:10
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X

Possibly the most disappointing car I have been in given the price tag  :'( :'(

Do tell, I can try to dissuade her. :y
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 March 2019, 17:15:14
What could possibly go wrong...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-tesla-supercharger-can-give-1000-miles-charge-hour ::)
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: aaronjb on 07 March 2019, 18:28:54
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X

Possibly the most disappointing car I have been in given the price tag  :'( :'(

Do tell, I can try to dissuade her. :y

A friend of mine has one in the US - loves it, wouldn't buy anything other than a Tesla again I suspect. So .. YMMV.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 March 2019, 19:00:17
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X

Possibly the most disappointing car I have been in given the price tag  :'( :'(

Do tell, I can try to dissuade her. :y

A friend of mine has one in the US - loves it, wouldn't buy anything other than a Tesla again I suspect. So .. YMMV.

I sat in one and thought it was about par for the course in terms of build quality for a yank car - shoddy, in other words.

At least they appear to have finally got rid of the sticky-back wood effect and chrome knobs that everyone else ditched in the 70's. I'm sure there'll be a green electroluminescent display there somewhere though, despite the fact that most of it seems to have been moved to an upended laptop stuck to the centre console. ;D
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: tunnie on 07 March 2019, 23:28:20
They already have

Was that recent? Thought that used to be outsourced?

What kind of level do you need to be for lease car, only had fuel perk?
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 March 2019, 07:33:29
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X

Possibly the most disappointing car I have been in given the price tag  :'( :'(

Do tell, I can try to dissuade her. :y

The general build quality is very poor, not well screwed together, very random panel gaps, lots of low quality touchy bits and not well screwed together.

Road manners are not great either, handling is very below par, its crap off road (it is just the road car on steroids) and they do have reliability issues.

The random rear doors are a pain and are known for open/close faults.

Then when you throw in the fact its an Ethernet port for diag, no OBD compliance so Tesla only for code reading and the fact the dealerships are in trouble, that the whole package starts to look massively overpriced and under delivers.

We had one in teardown, the verdict was a lot of tech in a Dacia type build.

Tesla is becoming like Apple, it has followers despite all the problems..........(just like an old Defender  ;D ;D)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 March 2019, 10:41:18
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.

Someone paid £63000 for my car when new  :o :o :o :o :o so that's £37000 depreciation in 5yrs


Are you saying you paid £26000 for the the new derv Merc, Mr Beanz?......... ::)
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: STEMO on 08 March 2019, 10:43:12
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.

Someone paid £63000 for my car when new  :o :o :o :o :o so that's £37000 depreciation in 5yrs


Are you saying you paid £26000 for the the new derv Merc, Mr Beanz?......... ::)
You are very astute, Opti. I wouldn't like to face you across the table.
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 March 2019, 11:40:49
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Maybe when the mortgage is paid off..

Mine is, but I still can't get my head around spending as much on my 'new car' as my first house cost ....  ??? ???
It's insane. I reckon you could buy a really decent car for the price of twelve months depreciation on a Q7 or the like.

Someone paid £63000 for my car when new  :o :o :o :o :o so that's £37000 depreciation in 5yrs


Are you saying you paid £26000 for the the new derv Merc, Mr Beanz?......... ::)
You are very astute, Opti. I wouldn't like to face you across the table.

I'm just surprised there is so much money in beanz. :)

It seems that Heinz Paysz Workersz Fortunesz.
Title: Re: Tesla dealership streamlining plans...
Post by: Shackeng on 08 March 2019, 17:27:52
Daughter is buying a top of range Tesla X with autopilot. Should be interesting to ride in. :-X

Possibly the most disappointing car I have been in given the price tag  :'( :'(

Do tell, I can try to dissuade her. :y

The general build quality is very poor, not well screwed together, very random panel gaps, lots of low quality touchy bits and not well screwed together.

Road manners are not great either, handling is very below par, its crap off road (it is just the road car on steroids) and they do have reliability issues.

The random rear doors are a pain and are known for open/close faults.

Then when you throw in the fact its an Ethernet port for diag, no OBD compliance so Tesla only for code reading and the fact the dealerships are in trouble, that the whole package starts to look massively overpriced and under delivers.

We had one in teardown, the verdict was a lot of tech in a Dacia type build.

Tesla is becoming like Apple, it has followers despite all the problems..........(just like an old Defender  ;D ;D)

Thanks Mark :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 08 March 2019, 19:05:05
(just like an old Defender  ;D ;D)
Oi! I quite like a proper Land Rover.

I wouldn't want one - that itch would better be served by as <12yr old Range Rover.