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Title: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Markie on 20 August 2007, 18:00:16
5 miles from me, finishes tonight. All parts to fix are included.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170138859819&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:uk

SWMBO would MURDER me though...still could be fun  :D
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Jay w on 20 August 2007, 18:06:44
ahh yes the Jaguar Mondeo........

I cant imagine it would be that hard to put right, and i would imagine it would yield some profit as well
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Markie on 20 August 2007, 18:08:09
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ahh yes the Jaguar Mondeo........

I cant imagine it would be that hard to put right, and i would imagine it would yield some profit as well


Indeed, but the 8 owners and some vague description puts me off..... :'(
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Jay w on 20 August 2007, 18:13:15
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ahh yes the Jaguar Mondeo........

I cant imagine it would be that hard to put right, and i would imagine it would yield some profit as well


Indeed, but the 8 owners and some vague description puts me off..... :'(

Look at his previous items sold.....if he isn't a trader i will show my backside in argos window

and looking at his prev sold items he is a jag specalist......my Question would be why has he not got and sorted it out himself?
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: STMO123 on 20 August 2007, 18:47:51
Fix this one instead Markie, it's a proper jag

http://www.specialistcars.net/newspecialistcars/carpages/94.htm
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Markie on 20 August 2007, 18:50:19
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Fix this one instead Markie, it's a proper jag

http://www.specialistcars.net/newspecialistcars/carpages/94.htm

Nice  :y You do like that website dont you   ;)
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: STMO123 on 20 August 2007, 19:02:46
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Fix this one instead Markie, it's a proper jag

http://www.specialistcars.net/newspecialistcars/carpages/94.htm

Nice  :y You do like that website dont you   ;)

Aye, I do.  Same as with the X-Type though, if it was an easy fix, he'd have fixed it ;)
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Markie on 20 August 2007, 19:04:39
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Fix this one instead Markie, it's a proper jag

http://www.specialistcars.net/newspecialistcars/carpages/94.htm

Nice  :y You do like that website dont you   ;)

Aye, I do.  Same as with the X-Type though, if it was an easy fix, he'd have fixed it ;)

Agree on both counts  ;)
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2007, 19:24:51
[size=24]DO NOT TOUCH![/size]
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: TheBoy on 20 August 2007, 19:27:19
Is the transfer box the same as gearbox.  I know transfer boxes are troublesome and expensive.  He says transfer box failed, but he would include spare gearbox....
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Markie on 20 August 2007, 19:34:26
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Is the transfer box the same as gearbox.  I know transfer boxes are troublesome and expensive.  He says transfer box failed, but he would include spare gearbox....


Think its different !
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: TheBoy on 20 August 2007, 19:36:03
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Is the transfer box the same as gearbox.  I know transfer boxes are troublesome and expensive.  He says transfer box failed, but he would include spare gearbox....


Think its different !
So do I ;)
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: familyman on 20 August 2007, 20:02:28
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Is the transfer box the same as gearbox.  I know transfer boxes are troublesome and expensive.  He says transfer box failed, but he would include spare gearbox....


Think its different !
So do I ;)

Yes it is, but,. .... Its basially fwd mondeo VTX box but on offside output shaft side instead of a drive shaft they bolted on a transfer box with a 90 degree output shaft to the rear wheels and a smaller shaft to the offside wheel. Not a bad system hence All Wheel Drive monica instead of 4wd implying a tractor or off road thingy (alla subaru) . Trouble with it is too many high rev launches i.e. trying to get it to wheel spin will detonate the transfer box and g/box, Worst i've ever seen is damage to the block where it bolts on.
And it is a right pig to do as 1 bolt is up behind exhaust downpipe/manifold connectin and you just know that will strip as it comes apart. :(
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Paul M on 20 August 2007, 20:17:36
Transfer box sounds like the classic unreliable bodge mechanism to convert a FWD car to 4WD... a-la the Cavalier and Calibra 4x4s where the box would munge itself within unless all the tyres had the same rolling circumference to a tolerance of 0.0000001mm ::)

Other than that, looks like a nice find, and it's manual. Pity it's not the 3.0 engine though, those are supposedly pretty nice.

BTW the XJR link posted, that sounds like failure of the Nikasil liners -- known issue and it's basically a replacement engine job. Good luck finding a used XJR engine that's not another potential Nikasil issue!
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Markie on 20 August 2007, 20:18:54
Not touching it now, probably wasnt anyway. When i found it the price was £1850 !!!  ::)
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Paul M on 20 August 2007, 20:26:33
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Yes it is, but,. .... Its basially fwd mondeo VTX box but on offside output shaft side instead of a drive shaft they bolted on a transfer box with a 90 degree output shaft to the rear wheels and a smaller shaft to the offside wheel. Not a bad system hence All Wheel Drive monica instead of 4wd implying a tractor or off road thingy (alla subaru) . Trouble with it is too many high rev launches i.e. trying to get it to wheel spin will detonate the transfer box and g/box, Worst i've ever seen is damage to the block where it bolts on.
And it is a right pig to do as 1 bolt is up behind exhaust downpipe/manifold connectin and you just know that will strip as it comes apart. :(

Subaru were using the term "All Wheel Drive" long before Jaguar even made an AWD car... and Subaru uses a proper AWD system, with the engine mounted transversely and the gearbox behind it, coupled with either 2 or 3 limited slip differentials depending on the model. The type of diff varies between viscous coupling or Suretrac (torque sensing) depending on the year/model. When I had my WRX STi I regularly launched it hard, and even with 300 BHP it would just grip and go. I'd expect at that power a transfer box would be left lying in the middle of the road after one launch ;D

I'd take a Subaru AWD system over a crappy transfer box bodged onto a FWD transmission any day. Similarly notice how Audi still uses their proper quattro system with Torsen centre diff on the A4/S4 and bigger models. The A3 and TT use Haldex solely because they're based on the Golf and the chassis doesn't have the space to accommodate a proper quattro system.
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2007, 20:41:12
My boss has a 3.0 and it has had a new transfer box, yes they are not cheap and are a common problem - it still cost over £1000 to repair even with Jaguar helping with the costs.

So do not buy it - the car is just not worth the money
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 August 2007, 20:48:37
I think the Jaguar system was cobbled together after they were bullied into using the Ford parts bin to avoid the shame of making a front wheel drive car - not that they avoided that for long.

It goes without saying that a 2wd transmission has a handy torque limiting device namely the traction available from 2 driven wheels. Double that and you have to think about the torque rating of the whole transmission again. Bolting a bodge onto a FWD gearbox might have kept the beancounters happy but I suspect this car has become a victim of that decision.

XJR looks much more interesting. I was given a rather rapid lift across Munich in one of these a few years ago and couldn't believe it was "just" a V8. It had all the refinement of a V12 jag and was seriously quick. It'd still be a brave man who took that on, though.

At least the "known issues" with the Omega, Rover K series, etc are rarely terminal and replacements are easily sourced if it comes to that.

Kevin
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2007, 20:53:32
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I think the Jaguar system was cobbled together after they were bullied into using the Ford parts bin to avoid the shame of making a front wheel drive car - not that they avoided that for long.

It goes without saying that a 2wd transmission has a handy torque limiting device namely the traction available from 2 driven wheels. Double that and you have to think about the torque rating of the whole transmission again. Bolting a bodge onto a FWD gearbox might have kept the beancounters happy but I suspect this car has become a victim of that decision.

XJR looks much more interesting. I was given a rather rapid lift across Munich in one of these a few years ago and couldn't believe it was "just" a V8. It had all the refinement of a V12 jag and was seriously quick. It'd still be a brave man who took that on, though.

At least the "known issues" with the Omega, Rover K series, etc are rarely terminal and replacements are easily sourced if it comes to that.

Kevin


My boos has had a duff transfer box on this, a blown engine with a Saaab 9-5, the previous 535 S6 was OK, and the 520 before that needed a head. Prior to those he had a Renault 19

In the same time I had the Sunbeam, Carlton and 4 Omegas - all in all take away the 2 accident damages (lack of sleep and Diesel spill) mine have been cheaper to run
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2007, 20:54:26
The 535 was basically getting worn out - he does intergalactic mileage
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 August 2007, 20:56:52
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The 535 was basically getting worn out - he does intergalactic mileage

Don't tell me he broke all of those and the Renault 19 was reliable?

Kevin
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2007, 21:04:33
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The 535 was basically getting worn out - he does intergalactic mileage

Don't tell me he broke all of those and the Renault 19 was reliable?

Kevin

That was a company car from a previous business and was from new - it had an oil leak though.

He then went to the 520 and ran that for a few years
Title: Re: How Hard can this be to fix
Post by: Martin_1962 on 20 August 2007, 21:07:31
He had a Renault 20 break its engine - big time - con rods and crank oil all over the road - design fault!!!!

He jokes about Omegas being unsuitable for me coming from the Sunbeam but as I pointed out all were RWD.

And there were weird ties between the Sunbeam and the Carlton (top models) I never bought a Cortina though