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[PhilRich]

Wouldn't the EML have come on when the MAF was unplugged? :-?

[feeutfo]

So, just to confirm, no diesel?

If no diesel, sounds like misfire issue to me?

IMO do the paper clip test, (not all codes bring the light on.) and go from there, if no relevant fault codes I would strongly suspect ignition system which is not very well monitored by ecu on this engine. Check plug wells for oil first, then change plugs then leads then dis PAC until the fault is found.
Not blocked fuel filter as it's using too much fuel, which also points to miss fire, no spark but fuel still being delivered, engine does not go so pedal pressed harder, fuel wash in the boar may cause damage, so do not drive the car.


Should have done paperclip test to read codes first of all, then mess with maff plug, now we don't know if maf code is current or not....

Anyway, start with paper clip test, fix problem first. Serviceing parts only introduces more unknowns.

Hth

[Kneepad]

Should have done paperclip test to read codes first of all, then mess with maff plug, now we don't know if maf code is current or not....

 

Yup, should have thought about that before diving in.   

[dragonlord]

shit yea i didet think eatherunpluging maf did put eml on
yep defenatly not had disel in it

it is going when you hit load pedal but lumpy an down on power and a bit flat just as engine start to load

then will kick in t higher up on revs but just dont seem right

but was like 80% beter after we drained it an put in new fuel in

thats why i was so hung up on fuel yesterday

re oil in wells just after id had it the drive side cam cover gasket poped

took out the bloody alatenator as well but it had only just had both banks done at vx dealer before i got got recites
when i took it off what had happend was vx had not put selant in right place and there want none on half cresent at all looked like traine had done it and run out of selant and tryed to squeze lats bit out tube

so i cleaned breather right and redone that side my self
and took a chance on pasanger side and left that

must have been right as its done about 30 thousand since then
ill try paper clip when the sun comes up and some vx plugs


wisht id done the trad club thing now kept Imeaning to

any one know price of leads and dis pac ?

 im down to me last few hundred quid if they screw up  our money ill be writeing rubber cheqes

see im a full time carea for wife she had a bad mental breakdown about 10 years back ad has nevre fully recoved

and is bi polar when you have dla often it has to be renewed every few years

some time theres no problem other times they refuse for no reson and you have appeal it it cary last time we was left witout money for 6mouths

they whent nutts with em at the tribunaral

and it was sorted

 bad but takes time
we wopnt find out till the 26th wether it silly game time or no problem

but when they stop that every thing stops the careing money rent every dam thing and and have to sign on for 80 quid a week to its sorted out

its nuts because it only a few weeks since i had to have mental healh criss team to house 4 times a day

when there really bad they send them but there as much use a choclet tea pot in our area

all this crap about pepole geting for nothing in news is rubish its hard enoutgh getting it when there really are ill and need it

and how much you get you only get same a normal copuple on dole would get and the cheep buggers pay me an extra 50 quid a week for being a carer 24/7
cheap dam deal for em

then you get dla for care needs or mobility
we get low rate mobility about 12 quid a week but no car have buy our own

but high rate care because she need 24/7 care



iv got a m8 that had a tumor on spine and had 3inches of his spine removed and is paralised from just below arms

they tryed to argue he dident need mobility an a car

they turned up at his place one time  to investigate him for claiming and working

i kiddy you not the poor thingy is dead from say where you nipples are down toes nothing works below there

if his spine was damage just a touch highter he have been on  vetolator perminatly

wat youread in hews is 'dangle berries' you have 12  doctors  say they need it and there still say no

you dont just fill in form and get

[dragonlord]

right i been out an paper cliped it

got 12 71 31 12

its a elite v6 3l so im right in thing 31 normalwhen not running

71   Intake Air Temperature Voltage High

im asumng at from when i unpluged maf is that right ?

re unpluging math on big pipe cominout air box there two pluigs top and one lower down

it was top one i disconected closest to airbox i take thats
the maf senor ?

[feeutfo]

Ok, only maf code to worry about, and as you say there was no change when maf unplugged its not a maf issue. If the problem improved when maf unplugged then i would say maf is at fault. So as said previously, i think this is an ignition system problem.

Start with new plugs from vx, they are chrapest.

If no improvement, change the leads as they are next most expensive, vx are very dear, try euro car parts for leads.

if no better change dis pac, trade club may help with thus but usually ebay genuine is best i guess....? soemeone advise on that....?

hth

ps, obviously make sure cam cover seals and breathers are ok first.

[feeutfo]

Pps, does 31 go when engine running?

[dragonlord]

just had a look in dark see if i could see an archig on under bonet

nothing i could see
seems more lumpy now and sort of missing between about 2000 and 4000 revs it sem to idel prity well but not perfect  above about 4000 rev its a lot better

iv sent or a set of leads from euro ar parts
and a fule and air fillter as its time for em and while i got spanners out

and will pick some plugs tomorow

[Bent valve]

My hart is braking for you. wot is  world coming to when a person living on benifits cannot afford to have his 3 litre car repared! Have you written to yore mP? i wud gladley pay mor tax so yo can tek it voxhall deeler

[dragonlord]

it not really like that i cant work thats he point as i work ful time looking after wife

she serverly mentaly ill now cant get out the house with a car

id gladly swap beniffits and go back to work if could get wife better

it was best for me as thre cheap to buy and i do a lot my self i had the auto omega beacuse cluch was real bad for knee and i cant fit in small ones
whre my hipos are at 45degres i twist it when walking and it wearing out

iv got a twisted spine ie scolliosis  some days ok other days i cant  walk very far  at all some days and i dont claim for my self
cant becaus its intermitait
Im 6.3 and being bent up in small car is criperling for me

last time i done the brakes on car i was layd up on morphine for a week and could only sleep  hours at a time as i felt like some driving a six inch nail row my spine

i going to go fix or try to the car may get away with or set off my back again over next few days
finger crossed

no way of knowing

inshrance aint an isue at my age iv keep em running with scrap yard and cheapest way i can

its not that can afford it we go with other thing so we can get about

cant take her on bus if shes trying to lump pasanger and ting there in on it

she suffer server anxity attacks as well
i dont mean she just get scare

extream anxity atacck cause her to fall jerk like an eperletic fit
last bad one she was in hospital at time

ended up in resuss and was catatonic for 45min after attack

what i meant about beniffits was that bacuase all of the crap

for those that rally do quilify for it  and need em often have problems

and when it comes up or renewal some times they mess it up

but what happens then is your in a righ mess as whenthe disablity stops every thing stop you go to 0 income

you cant even go and sign on as you got someone  that serverly disabled ad cant be left alone
so get a bout 60 quid a week for two pepole to live on at redused rate  t its sorted out


in my case with wife im up half night calming her dowm she sleep walking 4 or 5 nights a week

runnign out house thinks pepole are folloing up neally set fire to hourse 3 times

wont cook or feed her self need to get backwards and forwards to hospital
were 3 mile from nearest bus stop

we had move here because she was trying to trow her self out of window and old place was two small

it would be dam easyer life if we dident have this and i was back at work

i have to do every thing full time carea 24/7

its like work 24/7

some i know they have pay for a full time care to live in for him

as due acident only thing that works is head neck and half streath in one arm

were not talking about someone blaging the sick with a sore back

when you got someone that disabled it cost more because of care needs

when she really bad socile scervices have to provide a sitter so i can get out to shop even

idont have to sign on legaly beacause im not avalible for work as a full time carea m classes as workng

for that you 50 quid on top of normal dole money
thats it

then you claim Disability living alowence

and thatsmade up of 2 parts
for mobilty needs and care need

we only get lo rate mobity that 12 quid a week as she can not got out with smeone with her but can walk

if some has high rate thats 160 a mouth o in hair cant walk more 20 yards or so you can swap tht for a car and not have money


the care part there hi mid and low rate

we get hight beacause she need 24/7 care oftten being

so on average all we get extra is about 100 quid a week extra than some that signing on out of work and looking for a job

and im saving thegoer ment a foutune as if i want careing 24/7 it cost em a dam site more than thatef


its not a simple as it sounds on news
its sound good when you see it news and your working thinking pepole like us got i easy

we havent

trust me it not a life you chose m8

that litel bit of extra money allows us a car and a bit of life

i aint had a holiday for 15 years

whenm you aply for dla not ony do the pull all your medical records they send there own doctors to examin them

every few year if a condition that can change you have to apply again
some times i gos smooth some times ot

time before last was ok last time we had 0 income for 6 mouths

neally lost our home and it mad her 10 times worse
she was so ill by the tim we cam to appeal tribunaral

they when mad with the dla pepole

thi year she got worse was suisidal and locked her self in freind kitching hold a 9 inch knife to her stomack when mediction dident work any more

and when tere like that need doctors ad nurses coming to house 4 time a day and night

all started when we were out shop and she was fine had a break down in midel of he carpark about

doctors say she never recover 100% we got her stablised now at moment on new meds

some day im luck ad have the woman i knew ack more like her self for a few days but it dont last

you want swap lifes ?

remember when you next see some in a wheel chair
it ait just they cant walk

if there compleat on being paraised below waste

they proberly just spent 3 hours that morning ass fisting there self with rubber gloves because that the only way thay can empty there bowls

bet you dident know that most pepole dont
pepole just think it means no legs and being in chair with money and a free car

iv just had to stop typing this and wife woke up confusd think some chucing stones at window

had put back in bed and calm her down
luck a cort her when she fell in hall as night time mediation ake very unstable on her feet

i have to watch to about 4am then she norml sleep right
get a cupe of hours sllep then try doing acr and hope my back dont pop





bet you dident know that most pepole dont
you still want to swap places ?

her you another break she was just off again thing someones in bedroom burst in to tears this time

my back and necks killing me best i donttake painkiller for my self and put with pain as i need to stay awake
so its a coffe instead

[Bent valve]

Sorry Mate, I meant no offence. you are obviously having a hard time . I was pissed and it was a thoughtless comment

[Marks DTM Calib]

Check your intake temp sensor (2 pin connector just below the MAF), is it plugged in?

Make sure its not been muddled up with the multiram connector, the multiram one is the very end connector on that section of loom.

I must say that I am not convinced that you disconnected the MAF or there would be a MAF fault code (note, 2.5 and 3.0 MAFs are VERY reliable)

[dragonlord]

Sorry Mate, I meant no offence. you are obviously having a hard time . I was pissed and it was a thoughtless comment

thanks m8 iv been know to type pissed as well
take a decent guy to admit it

it cool and thanks

[dragonlord]

Check your intake temp sensor (2 pin connector just below the MAF), is it plugged in?

Make sure its not been muddled up with the multiram connector, the multiram one is the very end connector on that section of loom.

I must say that I am not convinced that you disconnected the MAF or there would be a MAF fault code (note, 2.5 and 3.0 MAFs are VERY reliable)

mark thanks think iv found problem

iv just pulled off pendelum and puld the ht plugs

drivers bank in full of oil n holes looks like cooked leads
th side is ful neally to he top of holes
would have thort that would be likey cause of spluttering cant see it being anything else

when the leads  get cook is there any posablity of them frying dis pac are it normly just leads


there a touch of oil on passanger side but that may be from before when i did pasanger side bank and dident proberly dident get all the oil out of holes

dont think it leaking drivers side

but ill do both banks to be safe
going to have to wait a bt as im working out side and it pissing down now or ill hav a couple of gallons of warter in the inlet manfold

how the hell do you get at the dis pac to change leads i cant even it see with penerlum off

it a 1999 elite 3L

do you have to jack it and go from underneath to get at dis pac ?

or anyou get at from op by taking off platic underwiper?

[dragonlord]

swap side lol in need some sleep lol

read above as passanger side full of oil
driver side a few drops