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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #60 on: 22 December 2020, 16:35:30 »

I have cut away part of the plastic cover so I can get to the carb without having to undo the bolts and take it off every time.

Here is the thing.....The butterfly is closed and remains closed. By pinning it wide open with a clothes peg it finally started and ran for about 5 minutes.

Getting better. :y
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #61 on: 22 December 2020, 18:24:14 »

If you mean the throttle butterfly it should be held open by a spring at rest.
When running a governor mechanism in the crank case or an air flap in the cooling nacelle closes it against the spring to regulate the speed. Maybe the spring has fallen off?
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #62 on: 22 December 2020, 18:30:10 »

If you mean the throttle butterfly it should be held open by a spring at rest.
When running a governor mechanism in the crank case or an air flap in the cooling nacelle closes it against the spring to regulate the speed. Maybe the spring has fallen off?

Yes...the spring is gone, reply 37. I was told to start the mower with the butterfly closed. Which I couldn't.
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #63 on: 22 December 2020, 19:18:14 »

If you mean the throttle butterfly it should be held open by a spring at rest.
When running a governor mechanism in the crank case or an air flap in the cooling nacelle closes it against the spring to regulate the speed. Maybe the spring has fallen off?

Yes...the spring is gone, reply 37. I was told to start the mower with the butterfly closed. Which I couldn't.

You got me wondering now.  ;D

Just been out and started my mower.  ;D  Popped the air box off and shone a torch up the air intake when the mower was cold and prior to starting it. The butterfly was fully closed (as in blocking air from entering the carb). As it warmed up it opened the butterfly to allow air in to the carb. As a double check I looked at my strimmer and the bike, which both have a manual choke. When I flicked the lever to choke, it blocked the air from entering the carb, just the same as the mower. Choke being rich, air being lean.
As a triple check I looked on YouTube.  ;D

https://youtu.be/aNi9sJA4PFI

Incidentally, it may start without choke but will struggle to rev until warmed up.  :y
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #64 on: 22 December 2020, 19:40:14 »

If you mean the throttle butterfly it should be held open by a spring at rest.
When running a governor mechanism in the crank case or an air flap in the cooling nacelle closes it against the spring to regulate the speed. Maybe the spring has fallen off?

Yes...the spring is gone, reply 37. I was told to start the mower with the butterfly closed. Which I couldn't.

You got me wondering now.  ;D

Just been out and started my mower.  ;D  Popped the air box off and shone a torch up the air intake when the mower was cold and prior to starting it. The butterfly was fully closed (as in blocking air from entering the carb). As it warmed up it opened the butterfly to allow air in to the carb. As a double check I looked at my strimmer and the bike, which both have a manual choke. When I flicked the lever to choke, it blocked the air from entering the carb, just the same as the mower. Choke being rich, air being lean.
As a triple check I looked on YouTube.  ;D

https://youtu.be/aNi9sJA4PFI

Incidentally, it may start without choke but will struggle to rev until warmed up.  :y

Thanks. That is a great video. The carb is exactly the same as mine.

With the butterfly closed mine simply refused to start, which was why I pegged the mechanism to hold the butterfly fully open. It then started. The exact opposite to what should happen it seems. Perhaps if the weather was colder the butterfly would need to be shut.

I need to get a new spring.

Perhaps my carb is running 'super rich'

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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #65 on: 22 December 2020, 20:39:46 »

If you mean the throttle butterfly it should be held open by a spring at rest.
When running a governor mechanism in the crank case or an air flap in the cooling nacelle closes it against the spring to regulate the speed. Maybe the spring has fallen off?

Yes...the spring is gone, reply 37. I was told to start the mower with the butterfly closed. Which I couldn't.

You got me wondering now.  ;D

Just been out and started my mower.  ;D  Popped the air box off and shone a torch up the air intake when the mower was cold and prior to starting it. The butterfly was fully closed (as in blocking air from entering the carb). As it warmed up it opened the butterfly to allow air in to the carb. As a double check I looked at my strimmer and the bike, which both have a manual choke. When I flicked the lever to choke, it blocked the air from entering the carb, just the same as the mower. Choke being rich, air being lean.
As a triple check I looked on YouTube.  ;D

https://youtu.be/aNi9sJA4PFI

Incidentally, it may start without choke but will struggle to rev until warmed up.  :y

Thanks. That is a great video. The carb is exactly the same as mine.

With the butterfly closed mine simply refused to start, which was why I pegged the mechanism to hold the butterfly fully open. It then started. The exact opposite to what should happen it seems. Perhaps if the weather was colder the butterfly would need to be shut.

I need to get a new spring.

Perhaps my carb is running 'super rich'

or you had "flooded" it and the extra air cleared it enough to fire up??   Accelerator to the floor is the way to clear a flooded carburettor engine ....  :)
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #66 on: 22 December 2020, 22:32:29 »

You've flooded it then ::)
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #67 on: 23 December 2020, 13:56:53 »

You've flooded it then ::)

Flooded it? :o

If the f*ucking thing started when I pulled the cord I wouldn't be able to flood it.
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #68 on: 23 December 2020, 14:29:24 »

Well, there's that...

The wet plug would suggest the presence of motion lotion...

Pop the plug in a low oven for a spell and try again. Assuming you have spark of course ;)
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #69 on: 24 December 2020, 17:51:06 »

Pop the plug in a low oven for a spell and try again. Assuming you have spark of course ;)

Wouldn't it be quicker in the microwave?  ;D
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #70 on: 24 December 2020, 18:55:47 »

Pop the plug in a low oven for a spell and try again. Assuming you have spark of course ;)

Wouldn't it be quicker in the microwave?  ;D

Yes a great way of testing for a spark!  :y
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #71 on: 24 December 2020, 18:59:34 »

Pop the plug in a low oven for a spell and try again. Assuming you have spark of course ;)

Wouldn't it be quicker in the microwave?  ;D
Microwave is better for drying out a poodle or whippet rather than a spark plug.
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #72 on: 24 December 2020, 19:05:09 »

Pop the plug in a low oven for a spell and try again. Assuming you have spark of course ;)

Wouldn't it be quicker in the microwave?  ;D

Yes a great way of testing for a spark:y

It most certainly is.  :y  Years ago my son put a casserole dish in the microwave...... with foil over it.  ::)  We returned home to the smell of what I thought was an electrical fire. I threw the microwave out to get rid of the smell. He said it was the best firework display he'd seen for a while.  ;D
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #73 on: 24 December 2020, 19:18:59 »

You've flooded it then ::)

Flooded it? :o

If the f*ucking thing started when I pulled the cord I wouldn't be able to flood it.

Briggs mower engines are like visitors ....... they'll go eventually.  ;)

By contrast, I have an old Honda Izy in the garage. It hasn't been started for at least four years and the tank was bone dry. I very slowly pulled the cord a couple of times to make sure it was free and then put some fuel in it. On the very first pull it almost started but spluttered and died. On the second pull it started and ran like a good'un.  :y  That's how they should work.  :y
But that doesn't really help does it.   ;D
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Re: Why won't my mower start?
« Reply #74 on: 24 December 2020, 19:32:22 »

Pop the plug in a low oven for a spell and try again. Assuming you have spark of course ;)

Wouldn't it be quicker in the microwave?  ;D
Microwave is better for drying out a poodle or whippet rather than a spark plug.
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