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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 20 October 2021, 07:35:00
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This beggars belief
Charges ‘unlikely’ for bystanders who failed to report rape say prosecutors https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58949611
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Indeed, unbelievable!!! >:( >:( >:(
The poor women must now feel that the whole world does not care about her and other women! Here in the UK this is how it is now also going as so many "do not want to become involved" ; shame on them! >:(
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They are cowards, a lot of them about these days.
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Don't want to get involved but they filmed it on their mobiles pathetic human beings.
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All it needed was one of them to bother phoning the cops, or pushing the emergency button.
Didnt need any level of bravery, just a modicum of basic human decency. >:(
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I know there is a big thing at the moment, following the conviction of the copper who murdered that silly* girl in London.
Sadly, the fact remains, and will always remain, it is not safe for a woman to be alone in certain areas and certain times of the day. Doesn't matter how many placards you hold up, or vigils, or chanting about change. Not while you have a hole up your arse. I'd like to be able to wave a magic wand, but sadly, its what it is.
Legislation isn't going to help. Its already a life sentence to be convicted of rape, yet it still happens, especially to women (and I'm sure to men too, but with even more stigma attached, probably goes unreported).
I'm speaking about rape of strangers. Assaults on non strangers are always going to be harder to get a reliable conviction on, as surely its going to boil down to one word against another.
* it was lockdown, why isn't anyone asking why she was visiting her mates miles away. Plus the obvious fact about a woman walking home alone at night.
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I know there is a big thing at the moment, following the conviction of the copper who murdered that silly* girl in London.
Sadly, the fact remains, and will always remain, it is not safe for a woman to be alone in certain areas and certain times of the day. Doesn't matter how many placards you hold up, or vigils, or chanting about change. Not while you have a hole up your arse. I'd like to be able to wave a magic wand, but sadly, its what it is.
Legislation isn't going to help. Its already a life sentence to be convicted of rape, yet it still happens, especially to women (and I'm sure to men too, but with even more stigma attached, probably goes unreported).
I'm speaking about rape of strangers. Assaults on non strangers are always going to be harder to get a reliable conviction on, as surely its going to boil down to one word against another.
* it was lockdown, why isn't anyone asking why she was visiting her mates miles away. Plus the obvious fact about a woman walking home alone at night.
Don't talk such utter f*cking shite. She was abducted, raped and murdered by someone who should have been protecting her. How the f*ck does the fact she was out alone at night make her 'silly', or in any way at fault?
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Nobody in this world can guarantee that a woman out alone at night will be safe. So why was she out alone, walking miles, at night. If you had a daughter, would you let her walk alone in the dark streets of South London?
I wish it wasn't that way. It shouldn't be that way. But it is. And always will be.
And she was silly, partly for being so stupid, but also because she clearly thought the laws didn't apply to her. You could argue that her punishment was a little harsh. But as somebody who clearly felt her needs were more important than everybody elses, she would have been on the cull list anyway.
The fact he was a policeman is shocking. But that wasn't my point. Yes, he was the criminal, she wasn't (though was, as she shouldn't have been out walking miles from her mates during covid lockdowns). But if I walked though Bletchley Queensway with £10,000 cash in a clear plastic bag, I'd expect to be jumped. It would be a stupid thing to do.
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Unusually for me, I have no words.
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Unusually for me, I have no words.
Yay, my work is complete...
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I know there is a big thing at the moment, following the conviction of the copper who murdered that silly* girl in London.
Sadly, the fact remains, and will always remain, it is not safe for a woman to be alone in certain areas and certain times of the day. Doesn't matter how many placards you hold up, or vigils, or chanting about change. Not while you have a hole up your arse. I'd like to be able to wave a magic wand, but sadly, its what it is.
Legislation isn't going to help. Its already a life sentence to be convicted of rape, yet it still happens, especially to women (and I'm sure to men too, but with even more stigma attached, probably goes unreported).
I'm speaking about rape of strangers. Assaults on non strangers are always going to be harder to get a reliable conviction on, as surely its going to boil down to one word against another.
* it was lockdown, why isn't anyone asking why she was visiting her mates miles away. Plus the obvious fact about a woman walking home alone at night.
Don't talk such utter f*cking shite. She was abducted, raped and murdered by someone who should have been protecting her. How the f*ck does the fact she was out alone at night make her 'silly', or in any way at fault?
He was hardly at work at the time...
If he had happened to own a vegan flower shop you would have heard a pin drop over the outrage :-X
These things tend to be preplanned or opportunist and you can't prevent either... You're already a victim or you're potentially a victim of timing.
You can be mindful of the former and defend against the latter to a degree, but that's a chance you take in life generally.
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Unusually for me, I have no words.
Nor me - almost :(.
The only conclusion I can draw is that no-one should ever go out alone at night, and if they do, they deserve anything that happens to them. Even being raped and murdered by someone who is obviously a serving Policeman !
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I know there is a big thing at the moment, following the conviction of the copper who murdered that silly* girl in London.
Sadly, the fact remains, and will always remain, it is not safe for a woman to be alone in certain areas and certain times of the day. Doesn't matter how many placards you hold up, or vigils, or chanting about change. Not while you have a hole up your arse. I'd like to be able to wave a magic wand, but sadly, its what it is.
Legislation isn't going to help. Its already a life sentence to be convicted of rape, yet it still happens, especially to women (and I'm sure to men too, but with even more stigma attached, probably goes unreported).
I'm speaking about rape of strangers. Assaults on non strangers are always going to be harder to get a reliable conviction on, as surely its going to boil down to one word against another.
* it was lockdown, why isn't anyone asking why she was visiting her mates miles away. Plus the obvious fact about a woman walking home alone at night.
Don't talk such utter f*cking shite. She was abducted, raped and murdered by someone who should have been protecting her. How the f*ck does the fact she was out alone at night make her 'silly', or in any way at fault?
He was hardly at work at the time...
If he had happened to own a vegan flower shop you would have heard a pin drop over the outrage :-X
These things tend to be preplanned or opportunist and you can't prevent either... You're already a victim or you're potentially a victim of timing.
You can be mindful of the former and defend against the latter to a degree, but that's a chance you take in life generally.
Does Jaime have to fully open his arse for you to get your tongue right up there?
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https://youtu.be/3zLy6Z0hzBk (https://youtu.be/3zLy6Z0hzBk)
These 'girls' would be able to defend themselves. :)
30 seconds in the black girl brings up the knuckle. :)
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Unusually for me, I have no words.
Nor me - almost :(.
The only conclusion I can draw is that no-one should ever go out alone at night, and if they do, they deserve anything that happens to them. Even being raped and murdered by someone who is obviously a serving Policeman !
The fixation seems to be on the policeman. Yes, he was guilty, and the sentence he got was too soft. The media are trying to suggest that it's the police's fault, which is probably unfair.
But leaving that to one side, and going back to the victim...
It was lockdown. Should she have been out, round her mates house? No. Definitely not. It was illegal.
Is it safe for women to walk around alone in quieter parts of a major city? Going by the local Oxford news, it seems that in Oxford, sexual assault, rape and attempted rape are sadly all too common, so I would say it is a significant risk. A risk that can be significantly reduced by not being alone, or using a taxi/bus/whatever.
There are men out there that are going to assault women for reasons that I find difficult to fathom, and the deterrent isn't stopping them. That shouldn't be the case, but apparently it is. The unwashed, unemployed, professional protesters can complain all they like about it, but the only possible fix I've heard from any of them whilst being interviewed was to stop men being allowed out after dark... ...which is way beyond impractical.
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Does Jaime have to fully open his arse for you to get your tongue right up there?
I'm pleased to announce that my 'arris remains a no-go area.
Although in the modern world of allowing anything except being white, male and straight, I am probably not allowed to say that.
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I agree that there always have been and always will be, men who attack women, and attack other men for that matter.
It can never be completely stopped unfortunately, as it is imbedded in the worst side of human nature, but the answer can never be for women to be too fearful to live their lives.
We as a society should do everything possible to reduce the problem.
Police put back on the streets instead of the present situation of being a mixture of social workers / diversity enforcers might be a start. As would much harsher punishments, including the death penalty, for serious offenders.
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Does Jaime have to fully open his arse for you to get your tongue right up there?
I'm pleased to announce that my 'arris remains a no-go area.
Although in the modern world of allowing anything except being white, male and straight, I am probably not allowed to say that.
That is transphobic. ;D
In 2021 we are asked to believe that a straight man should be willing to have sex with a trans woman lesbian......or he is transphobic.
Apparently it is not the slightest bit gay. ::) ::)
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but the answer can never be for women to be too fearful to live their lives.
I think we actually agree. I'm just saying that women (and men) should consider the risks and mitigate some of them.
as a society should do everything possible to reduce the problem.
Police put back on the streets instead of the present situation of being a mixture of social workers / diversity enforcers might be a start. As would much harsher punishments, including the death penalty, for serious offenders.
Again, I think we agree. Although the media will say police is not the answer, as it was the police responsible here. The liberal leftie media will probably also say that the rapist is somehow a victim himself, and should be looked after in a 5 star hotel.
I do believe, though, we disagree on what is classed serious enough for the death penalty.
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Nobody in this world can guarantee that a woman out alone at night will be safe. So why was she out alone, walking miles, at night. If you had a daughter, would you let her walk alone in the dark streets of South London?
I wish it wasn't that way. It shouldn't be that way. But it is. And always will be.
And she was silly, partly for being so stupid, but also because she clearly thought the laws didn't apply to her. You could argue that her punishment was a little harsh. But as somebody who clearly felt her needs were more important than everybody elses, she would have been on the cull list anyway.
The fact he was a policeman is shocking. But that wasn't my point. Yes, he was the criminal, she wasn't (though was, as she shouldn't have been out walking miles from her mates during covid lockdowns). But if I walked though Bletchley Queensway with £10,000 cash in a clear plastic bag, I'd expect to be jumped. It would be a stupid thing to do.
I have to hope that somehow you are incapable of writing what you are thinking and that it gets corrupted in some way when you actually type it .
I've seen you write some shit over the years but that is utterly repugnant and way below your normal low bar .
You really should consider deleting that post , you will be remembered for it .
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I have to hope that somehow you are incapable of writing what you are thinking and that it gets corrupted in some way when you actually type it .
I've seen you write some shit over the years but that is utterly repugnant and way below your normal low bar .
Which bit are you disagreeing with? The bit about how obeying lockdown laws not applying to her, or the bit about thinking that walking a fair distance alone at night when nobody else was around (as it was lockdown, remember) was a good idea?
As, for 100% clarity, the 1st was illegal, hence she should not have been doing it, and the 2nd was ill considered, hence a bit of a silly idea.
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I think that an awareness of our surroundings should be a major consideration when we are out and about in our daily lives. That means all of us, male and female, (other genders are now available it seems). There is now a sizeable percentage of the population who are so addicted to their social media and mobile use that they are totally unaware what the hell is going on around them. In a perfect world, women, and men, should be able to go about their daily lives in complete safety. Unfortunately, it ain't perfect and so caution, but not fear, should be uppermost. That's my two penneth on this subject anyway.
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Speeding is also illegal.
Being stupid, whilst ill-advised, is not.
Incidentally, said Copper, lived in Kent. So by the same token, why was he in London hunting for his prey... During a lock down?
She was a victim of circumstance. And, under said Lock down laws she was allowed out for exercise and visiting under the bubble system.
No one deserves to be raped or murdered, whether it is a direct consequence of a questionable choice or by chance and the only reason this particular event is being blown out of all proportion is because the rapist and/or murderer was a white male copper, whom it might be suggested ought to have known that it was wrong...
Where's the outrage over the kids/girlss that suffer similar fates at the hands of community elders and the like? Or that chap buggering and stabbing random young men on Wimbledon Common a few years ago?
There isn't any, because minorities and diverse groups can simply do no wrong. And that in itself is wrong.
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I think that an awareness of our surroundings should be a major consideration when we are out and about in our daily lives. That means all of us, male and female, (other genders are now available it seems). There is now a sizeable percentage of the population who are so addicted to their social media and mobile use that they are totally unaware what the hell is going on around them. In a perfect world, women, and men, should be able to go about their daily lives in complete safety. Unfortunately, it ain't perfect and so caution, but not fear, should be uppermost. That's my two penneth on this subject anyway.
According to the BBC another 98 genders are available to choose from. :)
This number is rising.
I am obviously thick because no matter hard I try I can only think of two. :-\
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And I can only shag one :y
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And I can only shag one :y
Self isn't a gender :D
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And I can only shag one :y
Now I think about it Rae I also have only had sex with one gender.
Perhaps I need to be more diverse and inclusive, and try out some of the other 99 genders.
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And I can only shag one :y
Self isn't a gender :D
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You should know🐑😂
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And I can only shag one :y
Now I think about it Rae I also have only had sex with one gender.
Perhaps I need to be more diverse and inclusive, and try out some of the other 99 genders.
But they’ll move the goal posts by the time you shag 98 there’ll be another 99
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How very respectful you all are to the young lady that was raped and murdered. I will try and lighten almost any situation up, but I just can't think of any way of putting a funny side on this.
The mind boggles.
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I have to hope that somehow you are incapable of writing what you are thinking and that it gets corrupted in some way when you actually type it .
I've seen you write some shit over the years but that is utterly repugnant and way below your normal low bar .
Which bit are you disagreeing with? The bit about how obeying lockdown laws not applying to her, or the bit about thinking that walking a fair distance alone at night when nobody else was around (as it was lockdown, remember) was a good idea?
As, for 100% clarity, the 1st was illegal, hence she should not have been doing it, and the 2nd was ill considered, hence a bit of a silly idea.
I never argue on the 'net , I often do debate but that only works with those that are of rational mindset.
Your denouement that because she was silly , broke lock down rules and had the temerity to walk out alone in a Capital City she therefore deserved to be culled , your words not mine , say more about you than I ever could .
I sincerely hope fate never touches yours and /or your families life like it did to that poor girls .
I'll continue to file you under " Sad " but will occasionally look to see if you improve with age .
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I believe Rae is talking sheep, if that helps.
You're right of course, and there's a very fine line between banter and not.
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It's 'mission creep' and is an inevitable part of this forum.
The original poster may start by talking about how to remove stains from his/her underwear, or the price of fish.......by post 19 the talk has turned to 'digging up Maggie Thatcher' or the best electric car available for £40,000.
People can say whatever they want. Some of it I like, some of it I don't......but I'm not here to police what people say.
TB has his views
Rae has his views
Al Gollum has his views
Opti the handsome has his views. :)
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That's a fairly ambiguous definition of handsome :D
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That's a fairly ambiguous definition of handsome :D
Ambiguous.....certainly. ;D Deluded even. ;D
But if a man can become a woman it should be relatively easy to turn an ugly Neanderthal bastard into a 'handsome young man'
Yes....I now identify as handsome, so it must be true. ::)
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It's 'mission creep' and is an inevitable part of this forum.
The original poster may start by talking about how to remove stains from his/her underwear, or the price of fish.......by post 19 the talk has turned to 'digging up Maggie Thatcher' or the best electric car available for £40,000.
People can say whatever they want. Some of it I like, some of it I don't......but I'm not here to police what people say.
TB has his views
Rae has his views
Al Gollum has his views
Opti the handsome has his views. :)
And Albs has infinite wisdom
Cant argue with that. :y
And thankyou for saying so. :-[
:D
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Good Lord, it's spreading :D
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I believe Rae is talking sheep, if that helps.
You're right of course, and there's a very fine line between banter and not.
Yes of course, thank you for that Dr.👍 As denoted by the image of a sheep in my reply.
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How very respectful you all are to the young lady that was raped and murdered. I will try and lighten almost any situation up, but I just can't think of any way of putting a funny side on this.
The mind boggles.
I cannot agree more!
I am dumbfounded that anyone can think it was the fault of Sarah Everard to be killed in the way she was after suffering what we can only imagine was a terrifying ordeal.
So no woman should be out walking alone during the hours of darkness then TB?? No wonder there are so many many who think women are fair game and are at fault when they are rapped!! >:( >:(
All the time there are men in the world like you nothing will change and all girls and women will continue to live in fear when out and about as should be their lawful right. Just note that Sarah was going to walk 50 minutes to her home (so what? She was not going outside London, and was going between neighbouring Boroughs in the highly populated major City of London, with busy roads, well lit streets and other people always going about their business at all hours. She did go across Clapham Common, which I would never do, but she survived that as, in a good World, everyone should. It was then she was accosted by a bloody bent copper who gained her trust, then kidnapped her in these well inhabited streets of London, not down some dark,lonely and miles from anywhere country lane. I suppose if it was 1888 you TB would blame the victims of Jack The Ripper for their gruesome murders?! ::) ::)
Just remember that young girls and women are being also attacked in the daylight hours by predatory males who have been brought up to believe females are for their pleasure and taking. This is what must change in our society for the 21st century, but will not if men like you keep preaching the sick nonsense you are! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Fooking hell......this is turning into a 'kick TB in the ballbag' thread. :-X
He is entitled to his opinion.
TB is merely saying that women need to be careful, because much as we would like it we don't live in a perfect world.
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I've kept out of this until now, this young woman was a friend of my Sons partner they were at University together you could have not have met a more intelligent & likeable young lady, she was certainly not " stupid or silly" as some have suggested, she trusted someone who took advantage of the trust put in him by the powers that be, nobody deserves to be murdered in cold blood God rest her soul.
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Fooking hell......this is turning into a 'kick TB in the ballbag' thread. :-X
He is entitled to his opinion.
TB is merely saying that women need to be careful, because much as we would like it we don't live in a perfect world.
No, TB was saying she was silly and stupid with it being her fault what happened to her as she shoul; not have been out walking alone at night!! ::) ::) ::)
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Fooking hell......this is turning into a 'kick TB in the ballbag' thread. :-X
He is entitled to his opinion.
TB is merely saying that women need to be careful, because much as we would like it we don't live in a perfect world.
No, TB was saying she was silly and stupid with it being her fault what happened to her as she shoul; not have been out walking alone at night!! ::) ::) ::)
In that case you must inform the 'thought police' and insist they control his thinking and use of language.
If he still fails to fall into line he must be banned from the forum.......which may prove difficult. ;D ::) ::) ::)
If this fails he must be sent to Room 101, where he must receive a lobotomy for his own good.
.......or you can simply say you don't agree with what he posted. :)
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Fooking hell......this is turning into a 'kick TB in the ballbag' thread. :-X
He is entitled to his opinion.
TB is merely saying that women need to be careful, because much as we would like it we don't live in a perfect world.
No, TB was saying she was silly and stupid with it being her fault what happened to her as she shoul; not have been out walking alone at night!! ::) ::) ::)
In that case you must inform the 'thought police' and insist they control his thinking and use of language.
If he still fails to fall into line he must be banned from the forum.......which may prove difficult. ;D ::) ::) ::)
If this fails he must be sent to Room 101, where he must receive a lobotomy for his own good.
.......or you can simply say you don't agree with what he posted. :)
Rubbish!!
He decided to make public his beliefs on a public forum and upset people with frankly disturbing comments for any girl or women daring now to use this web site.
Like you banging away constantly or eventually in every thread, taking the mickey on racist, and general diversity matters that greatly affect highly vulnerable people.
This Forum once did not allow that being 'family' friendly; it policed itself to keep us ALL in check (yes, including me!) Now repeatedly offensive and insulting threads to the relevant readers of them are unfortunately slipping through.
Of course personal opinion should be OK, but to keep on repeatedly as you are on some campaign against "wokism" and everything else that you believe is different from your 'white, straight, hot bloodied male' perspective is now getting, at the very least, boring. We know what you think, end of Opti. ::) ::) ::)
How about if someone starts banging on about fascism and the benefit of being ruled by Hitler and the Nazis and our society should change to that philosophy? It would be very unpleasant yes, and highly offensive to many millions of people, yes? But that would be many peoples personal opinion so all ok then? To argue it would be bringing in the subject of the "thought police" as you keep doing to justify what offensive rubbish you are spouting is what any good Nazi or Neo-Nazi would do. But that is OK then as it is someones opinion? ::) ::) ::)
Many women stopped posting on this forum some time ago as it became male orientated, but now any black, Asian, LGBT, and remaining women, still on here will also disappear like some in those categories already have.
Let us ALL go back TRYING to just posting comments that do not aim to be offensive or insulting and mean this again is a 'family' type forum which even the young feel unafraid of. ;)
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Fooking hell......this is turning into a 'kick TB in the ballbag' thread. :-X
He is entitled to his opinion.
TB is merely saying that women need to be careful, because much as we would like it we don't live in a perfect world.
No, TB was saying she was silly and stupid with it being her fault what happened to her as she shoul; not have been out walking alone at night!! ::) ::) ::)
In that case you must inform the 'thought police' and insist they control his thinking and use of language.
If he still fails to fall into line he must be banned from the forum.......which may prove difficult. ;D ::) ::) ::)
If this fails he must be sent to Room 101, where he must receive a lobotomy for his own good.
.......or you can simply say you don't agree with what he posted. :)
Rubbish!!
He decided to make public his beliefs on a public forum and upset people with frankly disturbing comments for any girl or women daring now to use this web site.
Like you banging away constantly or eventually in every thread, taking the mickey on racist, and general diversity matters that greatly affect highly vulnerable people.
This Forum once did not allow that being 'family' friendly; it policed itself to keep us ALL in check (yes, including me!) Now repeatedly offensive and insulting threads to the relevant readers of them are unfortunately slipping through.
Of course personal opinion should be OK, but to keep on repeatedly as you are on some campaign against "wokism" and everything else that you believe is different from your 'white, straight, hot bloodied male' perspective is now getting, at the very least, boring. We know what you think, end of Opti. ::) ::) ::)
How about if someone starts banging on about fascism and the benefit of being ruled by Hitler and the Nazis and our society should change to that philosophy? It would be very unpleasant yes, and highly offensive to many millions of people, yes? But that would be many peoples personal opinion so all ok then? To argue it would be bringing in the subject of the "thought police" as you keep doing to justify what offensive rubbish you are spouting is what any good Nazi or Neo-Nazi would do. But that is OK then as it is someones opinion? ::) ::) ::)
Many women stopped posting on this forum some time ago as it became male orientated, but now any black, Asian, LGBT, and remaining women, still on here will also disappear like some in those categories already have.
Let us ALL go back TRYING to just posting comments that do not aim to be offensive or insulting and mean this again is a 'family' type forum which even the young feel unafraid of. ;)
I don't recall there being a large number of girls here at OOF. ::)
Three or four at best, with just one feeling the need to constantly educate the meat and two veg variety of Neanderthals. :)
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Time to close the thread, it's become divisive and now succumbing to mission creep......
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Maybe.....but. I strongly disagree with TB,s choice of words, but equally strongly defend his right to use them.
Freedom of speech, expression and thought, as long as not intended to manipulate others into committing violence, are probably the most precious things a society can have.
They are under severe threat in todays world, and we wont really miss them until they are gone.
If you disagree with what someone says, dont take action to stop them speaking.
Engage them in conversation and win the debate. Or ignore them.
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Time to close the thread, it's become divisive and now succumbing to mission creep......
I only wanted to know how to decoke the exhaust valves on a 1972 Austin 1300GT. :) ;) :D
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Maybe.....but. I strongly disagree with TB,s choice of words, but equally strongly defend his right to use them.
Freedom of speech, expression and thought, as long as not intended to manipulate others into committing violence, are probably the most precious things a society can have.
They are under severe threat in todays world, and we wont really miss them until they are gone.
If you disagree with what someone says, dont take action to stop them speaking.
Engage them in conversation and win the debate. Or ignore them.
This about sums it up.
There are many people who believe in freedom of speech only when you agree with them.
As soon as you don't they play the 'hate speech bigot card' and try to shut you down.
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What an odd thread, standout statement for me is "You could argue that her punishment was a little harsh."
Jesus F=cking christ :o
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It is his Forum that he has chosen to avail to the public :-X
I don't agree with his point of view on this, but I respect it as his point of view.
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What an odd thread, standout statement for me is "You could argue that her punishment was a little harsh."
Jesus F=cking christ :o
That sums up my thoughts too.
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It is his Forum that he has chosen to avail to the public :-X
Just before locking, I wanted to correct that statement, just for 100% clarity.
It is our forum.