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[dave the builder]

Sadly I have relatives and friends in similar situations 

which is why I try and debunk the "masks don't do any good" tripe people sprout

[Sir Tigger KC]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

[LC0112G]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

Not anymore - France are doing roughly double the number of tests that we are now doing. Which one reason why their positive test numbers are through the roof. The UK has basically stopped testing now - and surprise surprise the numbers are dropping.

[Doctor Gollum]

TCV is being used as an excuse to provide a woeful service across the board. Once Ton E B Liar and his innumerate accountant spent all the money on the tree the NHS motto may as well be "Strive to be worse".

It took a fortnight for a neighbour to get a doctor to entertain the concept of returning a call. When they finally were able to speak to someone, a CT scan was arranged in short order and it turns out that he has terminal cancer.

Would seeing a doctor two weeks previously have helped any? Who knows.

But this isn't a new issue, five years ago, my Dad was seriously ill for six months and they didn't find out why until his autopsy in spite of his spending almost a month in Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.

Received an NHS survey today... Multiple choice answers, but not one question has an applicable answer... eg "How easy is it to speak to a Doctor? a) really easy; b) easy; c) quite easy..." The actual answer is very difficult, but it isn't an option

It's almost as though they don't actually want to acknowledge the true state of the NHS. They even have the gall, having posted the survey out, to ask that you complete it online because it's cheaper for them.

[Doctor Gollum]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

Almost as effective as those lock downs in Wales and Scotland.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Similar experiences here DG. The NHS is totally f*cked and is the most expensive white elephant in the history of the world as far as Im concerned.
But its the new Opium of the people and we shouldnt say stuff like this.

[Sir Tigger KC]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

Not anymore - France are doing roughly double the number of tests that we are now doing. Which one reason why their positive test numbers are through the roof. The UK has basically stopped testing now - and surprise surprise the numbers are dropping.

On 19th Jan the UK did 1,539,546 tests of which 107,792  (7%) were positive.

Best data I can find in a quick look for France for 19th Jan is that they recorded 436,167 positive tests which was 24.4% of the total, suggesting they carried out something like 1,787,568 tests.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Coronavirus-Daily-updates-on-the-situation-in-France

[LC0112G]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

Not anymore - France are doing roughly double the number of tests that we are now doing. Which one reason why their positive test numbers are through the roof. The UK has basically stopped testing now - and surprise surprise the numbers are dropping.

On 19th Jan the UK did 1,539,546 tests of which 107,792  (7%) were positive.

Best data I can find in a quick look for France for 19th Jan is that they recorded 436,167 positive tests which was 24.4% of the total, suggesting they carried out something like 1,787,568 tests.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Coronavirus-Daily-updates-on-the-situation-in-France

I think its true that the French are roughly 2 weeks behind the UK in this latest wave of Omicron infections. We now appear to be past peak, but they're still on the way up.

According to friends in the Alps, the French are using pharmacy administered PCR tests to confirm infection. We've stopped doing that - basically home LFT only. IMV PCR tests pick up infection earlier, and continue to pick it up later which results in higher detection rates. Also 12-17 y/o who aren't double vaxxed yet but want to access public facilities in France (including outdoor ski-lifts) have to be LFT tested daily to get their Pass Vaccinaire QR code. 20% of that age group aren't yet double vaxxed.

Of the 1.5Million tests the UK did on 19th Jan, only 455K were PCR. I can't find where I read it, but French PCR testing was running at 1.2M per day.

So I would contend that the testing regimes are significantly different, and therefore direct comparison of numbers is difficult verging on impossible. There is also politics at play. Announce huge numbers of infections to scare the remainder of the population who aren't yet double jabbed plus booster to get their remaining jabs. I'll bet the rates all fall before the French elections in Feb.

[TheBoy]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

The French are doing loads more tests, and even more so since the Buffoon is trying to deflect attention, and tell its all over, and winding down PCR testing, and suggesting that LFTs will also be gone in a few weeks.

And, what a surprise, the UK official daily infection rates have plummeted. 


The scientists have proven that the Omnicron variant is 3 times less likely to put you into intensive care than Delta variant.  Which is good .  But, we were running at over 3 times the previous peak of daily infections.  Obviously, we also have the added advantage that more of the population have been vaccinated.

Another risk of running at such high levels of infection is there will be more mutations.  They could be milder, they could be more dangerous. If they manage to escape the vaccines, even the mild ones can be dangerous.


So our leaders are playing Russian Roulette with the population, because he'd already lost his party before the last month's worth of revelations.


As for GB News, its started out promising, but sadly has become just like the BBC/CH4 news, going for sensationalism rather than journalism, albeit it with a more palatable middle right bias.

[LC0112G]

Another risk of running at such high levels of infection is there will be more mutations.  They could be milder, they could be more dangerous. If they manage to escape the vaccines, even the mild ones can be dangerous.

I don't buy that particular argument. There are 7 billion people in the world, and less than 70 million in the UK. Even if the UK forced everyone into home isolation for a month that would only reduce the pool of potential mutation hosts by 1%. Random mutations would still occur in the other 99% of the worlds population, and as we've seen there is basically no way of keeping viruses out of the UK so it would get here sooner or later.

Lifeforms evolve. Viruses evolve. It's what they do. Thinking you can stop this is denying Darwinism.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

For 5 months or so last year England was the only country in Europe without a mask mandate until the government panicked over Omicon and brought in 'Plan B' reinstating the mask mandate.

Most other European countries had much stricter restrictions than England.  France for example, a comparable country with a similar population had a mask mandate much stricter. People even have to wear them outside!  So you'd think that their infection rates would be much lower than England's. No?

For the last three days France has recorded over 400,000 new infections each day, and they are doing about half the amount of tests that we do here in the UK.

18th Jan - 464,769
19th Jan - 436,167
20th Jan - 425,183

So yes masks work.............. 

The French are doing loads more tests, and even more so since the Buffoon is trying to deflect attention, and tell its all over, and winding down PCR testing, and suggesting that LFTs will also be gone in a few weeks.

And, what a surprise, the UK official daily infection rates have plummeted. 


The scientists have proven that the Omnicron variant is 3 times less likely to put you into intensive care than Delta variant.  Which is good .  But, we were running at over 3 times the previous peak of daily infections.  Obviously, we also have the added advantage that more of the population have been vaccinated.

Another risk of running at such high levels of infection is there will be more mutations.  They could be milder, they could be more dangerous. If they manage to escape the vaccines, even the mild ones can be dangerous.


So our leaders are playing Russian Roulette with the population, because he'd already lost his party before the last month's worth of revelations.


As for GB News, its started out promising, but sadly has become just like the BBC/CH4 news, going for sensationalism rather than journalism, albeit it with a more palatable middle right bias.

I agree up to a point. I thought it started off very shaky, a bit like the early days of channel 4. It launched too early , before it was ready imo.
It has now become more professional but also a bit middle of the road, albeit as you say, right of centre.
I was hoping for something more radical to counter all the other left leaning bias on TV news channels.
Andrew Neil was a huge loss, almost before it got off the ground.
He is the king of Political Journalists imo, and is what is sadly missing in the largely mediocre Journalism they currently have.
Having said all of that, I will always watch it for news as opposed to BBC / SKY / C4 etc.
Its journalists may be a bit mediocre, but they arent the utter disgrace to their profession we find on the other news channels.
They do make a reasonable attempt at balance.
Even Farage has his political enemies on his programme and has grown up discussion with them rather than a shouting match.

Stella Creasy is on there currently, talking shite about bringing babies to work.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Forward planning
for when mask wearing becomes mandatory again ,after the no need for masks anymore in a weeks time   

It actually killed less than 20,000 people in the UK, so please explain what wearing a mask actually achieves beyond using fear to control people...

I heard the figure of 17000 over two years with an average age of 82.5 years dropped dead from covid alone......although at 82.5 years they probably dropped dead of old age with a touch of covid.

[Rangie]

All of us are going to die eventually , so I am now at the point where I couldn't give a shit about figures released do people honestly think they can believe a word that is reported from government agencies ?  Get on with life as best as possible and don't worry about anything ,certainly not numbers plucked out of the air.

[Raeturbo]

^^what he said^^👍

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Apparently Meatloaf refused to wear a mask. He died of Covid a couple of days ago. 
The point of wearing a mask to me is that my breathe could pass Covid on to someone very vulnerable and it might kill them.
Call me old fashioned, but I wouldnt want to do that.