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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 23 May 2018, 18:19:32
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We might run out of fresh water by about 2050, so we are about to be told how to use it properly and water companies are being told to fix leaks.
In order to alter our behaviour, even though we're talking over thirty years away (rough guess, no doubt) I have a feeling that everyone will have to pay more for it now. You know it makes sense. ::)
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It won't matter to you if water runs out 32 years from now........you'll be long gone. :)
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It won't matter to you if water runs out 32 years from now........you'll be long gone. :)
The point is, dolt, that I'll be paying whether I use it or not. ;D
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So not only will the North Pole melt and Flood everywhere now we'll have nothing to Drink as well.
Hmm, Im going to buy Shares in Ice Cubes.
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It won't matter to you if water runs out 32 years from now........you'll be long gone. :)
The point is, dolt, that I'll be paying whether I use it or not. ;D
No you won't. Pensioners don't pay for anything. It will be the working taxpayer who shoulders your part of the debt. :)
.......and I must be thick because I had to google 'dolt'. Still brighter than you though. :)
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It's a growing trend these days.
Do some press release or news item or PR thing warning that there will be a worldwide shortage of bog paper or whatever, so then everyone is expecting it, so they can then jack the price up regardless of whether the shortage actually happens.
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It's a growing trend these days.
Do some press release or news item or PR thing warning that there will be a worldwide shortage of bog paper or whatever, so then everyone is expecting it, so they can then jack the price up regardless of whether the shortage actually happens.
At STMO's age he should be more concerned about this rather than a lack of water. ;)
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It's a growing trend these days.
Do some press release or news item or PR thing warning that there will be a worldwide shortage of bog paper or whatever, so then everyone is expecting it, so they can then jack the price up regardless of whether the shortage actually happens.
It's called 'managing expectations'.
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If there is a shortage, I intend to dilute it. ;D
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Easy solution stick to Beer! ( Yes I know it contains water)
Before the sarky comments begin 😀
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If it's yellow let it mellow.... :)
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Been tempted to do a Basic rainwater capture System for awhile now. I think payback would be about 3yrs if used for non_potable water…
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I keep a big 30 litre bucket outside my backdoor in the summer and the washing up water goes in it (unless really scanky) and then onto the garden. :y
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A full page ad in the Grandiad for The Dave Ramsey Show should cause some apoplexia amonsgt the socialist snowflakes :D
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As a wet country with annual rainfall of 0.7m to 3.0m, Saudi Arabia we are not. The problem is lack of water collection infrastructure and delivering it where it is needed in the country, especially the south-east. This is a classic fondness by Government monopolies of making commodities rare and very expensive. This disgraceful situation is a totally artificially made Government SNAFU and disgrace. >:( >:( >:(
A much bigger scandal than monopoly gas and electricity energy prices has been the profitably of the water companies. A low risk monopoly should make at most 5% profit not up to 25% that they make. OFWAT IMO are very poor and should have made them spend some of their excessive profits on improving our water collection infrastructure and a national water grid as the Northern reservoirs are under used where they were built on the expected needs of water intensive heavy industry like steel which never reached expected capacity and is now virtually non-existent.
One of the things that annoys me the most is small minded blame the customer mentality of petty bureaucrats and this report is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. >:( >:( >:( Any entrepreneur knows when there is demand and people needing / willing to spend money you fulfil it and make your profits. :y :y :y Several good examples of liquid refreshment in private hands are bottled water, soft drinks and beer and when did you ever have any shortages of these or bleeding heart reports blaming their customers for creating demand and making them money? 8) 8) 8)
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These scare stories are as old as time itself, good excuse to tax us all more. They've been telling us we're going to fry in global warming, it hasn't happened, run out of water, it hasn't happened, nuclear war, bird flu none of it has come to fruition like they keep saying it will.
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Anglian have been pissing thousands of gallons out of a leak in an 18" main over the local fields for three weeks - still not repaired as they "need to wait for the pipe to drain under gravity"; a) it's still coming out, which implies it's being replenished (duh, that's how pipes work?) and b) have they not heard of pumps?
But I'm sure my bill will go up to compensate them for all the water they've lost..
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I pass at least 2 leaks on my way to work at the moment. Both are pi$$ing out probably the equivalent of an open 22mm pipe, 24/7. Been there since the last cold snap.
Those are just the visible ones.
All of our essential services are suffering from the same thing. Gifting an expensive item of national infrastructure to private business and watching it decay while they reap in the profits, blame the consumer for their own shortcomings, and court government handouts to fund the meagre level of investment they do make.
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.. and I have been thinking about collection too. I have a water butt in the garage loft and a heath robinson arrangement to pump water up there from the gutters when it rains. It's amazing how little rain you need to fill a 200 litre butt.
I use it mainly for washing the cars as the mains water is quite hard here. It wouldn't take much to feed at least one of the loos in the house from this.
The problem is that you need MUCH more storage to make any significant inroads into your consumption. A colleague of mine did a self-build and fitted a massive tank buried under the garden along with filters and UV treatment.
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The problem is that you need MUCH more storage to make any significant inroads into your consumption. A colleague of mine did a self-build and fitted a massive tank buried under the garden along with filters and UV treatment.
And, IIRC from my conversation with my old neighbour - a plumber - there are quite strict rules on just how large a tank you are allowed and how much rain water you are allowed to 'steal' from the water companies..
..although that's better than the US, where it is actually illegal to collect rain water in some states (it is considered theft)..
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Oh, yes, it fell on your land, ran down your roof into your gutter and thence to your tank. You didn't think that made it YOUR water, did you? ;D
I think if you make it big enough to not do it under the radar of building control any more, then you might as well not bother.
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My thought was 2-3 IBC tanks (food grade) in the garage (if double or outside if not) kept in the dark and insulated with celotex. This should keep the water at circa 10-12 degrees to avoid legionella. install a ballcock low down to topup in case of low rainfall (chance would be a fine thing!!). Pump to a header tank to run the toilets in the house, outside taps, washing machine etc. Basically any non-potable water.
Filter via several mesh grids and settlement, then add a UV purifier if we wanted to cover potable water. As I say, I think payback would be around 3yrs, but as we haven't been on a water meter for about 5yrs this is based on "typical usage" for 2 people. Once we move and are back on a water meter, I'll make a more informed decision.
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These scare stories are as old as time itself, good excuse to tax us all more. They've been telling us we're going to fry in global warming, it hasn't happened, run out of water, it hasn't happened, nuclear war, bird flu none of it has come to fruition like they keep saying it will.
You forgot to mention the new ice age, which was due to start just as they "discovered" global warming. ;) ;D
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All of our essential services are suffering from the same thing. Gifting an expensive item of national infrastructure to private business and watching it decay while they reap in the profits, blame the consumer for their own shortcomings, and court government handouts to fund the meagre level of investment they do make.
You can't say that here! You'll betray yourself as a Guardian watching, BBC reading, lentil wearing, sandal eating leftie. That what you say is both true and a national disgrace won't help your fate.
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The problem is that you need MUCH more storage to make any significant inroads into your consumption. A colleague of mine did a self-build and fitted a massive tank buried under the garden along with filters and UV treatment.
And, IIRC from my conversation with my old neighbour - a plumber - there are quite strict rules on just how large a tank you are allowed and how much rain water you are allowed to 'steal' from the water companies..
..although that's better than the US, where it is actually illegal to collect rain water in some states (it is considered theft)..
And yet...Yorkshire water charge me for the drainage of my surface water. So...I can't keep it and I have to pay to have it taken away. Sore arse, anyone? ;D
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And yet...Yorkshire water charge me for the drainage of my surface water. So...I can't keep it and I have to pay to have it taken away. Sore arse, anyone? ;D
Worse than that - they are charging you to take it away so that they can charge you again to have it back! ;D
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The problem is that you need MUCH more storage to make any significant inroads into your consumption. A colleague of mine did a self-build and fitted a massive tank buried under the garden along with filters and UV treatment.
And, IIRC from my conversation with my old neighbour - a plumber - there are quite strict rules on just how large a tank you are allowed and how much rain water you are allowed to 'steal' from the water companies..
..although that's better than the US, where it is actually illegal to collect rain water in some states (it is considered theft)..
For those sad enough (like me) to be interested - a bit more on the regs for harvesting rainwater:
http://rainharvesting.co.uk/collecting-rainwater-illegal-uk-everything-need-know/ (http://rainharvesting.co.uk/collecting-rainwater-illegal-uk-everything-need-know/) :y
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My thought was 2-3 IBC tanks (food grade) in the garage (if double or outside if not) kept in the dark and insulated with celotex. This should keep the water at circa 10-12 degrees to avoid legionella. install a ballcock low down to topup in case of low rainfall (chance would be a fine thing!!). Pump to a header tank to run the toilets in the house, outside taps, washing machine etc. Basically any non-potable water.
Filter via several mesh grids and settlement, then add a UV purifier if we wanted to cover potable water. As I say, I think payback would be around 3yrs, but as we haven't been on a water meter for about 5yrs this is based on "typical usage" for 2 people. Once we move and are back on a water meter, I'll make a more informed decision.
You would need an air break between the supply and harvested water so I don't think the ballcock down low would be a good idea. Otherwise, should work. :y
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Interesting, what makes you say that about the air gap? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just not sure on why it’s needed. :-\
To be fair, a header tank (positioned 1/3 of the way up the main tank or thereabouts) plus a one-way valve is all that’s needed, so no biggy.
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I pay one lot of water rates to Anglian water[for the stuff I use]and then another lot to Severn Trent for the run off and such like from when it rains.AW know how much I use as I've got a water meter.But how does ST know how much rain has fallen on the property and run off again?
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They don't. They think of a number and double it. ;)
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Interesting, what makes you say that about the air gap? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just not sure on why it’s needed. :-\
To be fair, a header tank (positioned 1/3 of the way up the main tank or thereabouts) plus a one-way valve is all that’s needed, so no biggy.
I believe the WRAS regs require an air gap between the supply network and any non-potable water system to prevent any possibility of back-flow into the public supply network.
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Interesting, what makes you say that about the air gap? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just not sure on why it’s needed. :-\
To be fair, a header tank (positioned 1/3 of the way up the main tank or thereabouts) plus a one-way valve is all that’s needed, so no biggy.
I believe the WRAS regs require an air gap between the supply network and any non-potable water system to prevent any possibility of back-flow into the public supply network.
Interesting Kevin.
The 'fill' tap for the C/H system in my 9yr old property has two shut-off valves, but that doesn't offer an 'air-gap'. I'm guessing the requirement for two of them is to reduce the risk of non-potable water returning to the 'clean' water system?
What about toilet cisters, hot water tanks etc? Is all of this classed as potable water? I know i've filled the kettle from a toilet cistern after a water outage, but it's not something I would 'want' to drink un-boiled (even though it would probably be perfectly safe). Much less so the water from the closed C/H system.
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I believe the WRAS regs require an air gap between the supply network and any non-potable water system to prevent any possibility of back-flow into the public supply network.
Thanks Kevin, excellent point!!
BM:
I think in all standard situations where a ball cock type filler is used you do have an air gap as the water level should never reach the feed tap on the ball cock. What’s different in my suggested application is that the rain water would fully submerge the ball cock unit. So no air gap. In theory the tap shouldn’t open until there is an air gap in place. But whether this would satisfy WRAS I don’t know. :-\.
As for central heating, all of the ones I’ve seen either have a ball cock and header tank or are the pressurised type. These have a fill loop that does link the CH to the mains, but you are instructed to remove the filler loop once you’re done filling it.
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As for central heating, all of the ones I’ve seen either have a ball cock and header tank or are the pressurised type. These have a fill loop that does link the CH to the mains, but you are instructed to remove the filler loop once you’re done filling it.
Nobody does that though. :-X
And it's not an issue anyway, as the mains pressure is much higher that the the 1 Bar or so in a central heating system. ;) Until a digger breaks the main outside your house! :P ;D
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Shhhh ! :-X
the water police may read this ;)
most filling loops consist of a double check valve and 2 isolation valves ,
in reality , you will spend far more on infrastructure (pumps,tanks etc ) than you will ever save on water bills ::)
I keep koi carp ,which insist on good water quality ,
pumps,filters and the electricity to run them cost ££££