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General Discussion Area / Fixing what ain’t broke - Khan at it again

« on: 28 May 2021, 06:38:42 »

https://apple.news/AqFTOIW7VTSe5-kIsUwlfqQ

Set traffic lights to red all the time and green man on, and motorists have to ‘wait to cross’
Clearly no understanding of wave patterns and how they affect traffic, or just any common sense.
I’m not sure I’ve heard a more stupid idea this year, only it’s not just an idea, it’s happening.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Politicising murder.

« on: 11 March 2021, 21:51:34 »

just say that she got her way ..... on the days that I work, I work 0600 to 1800 .... so will I not be able to work? Or will I just have to have a note off my Mum to say why I want to be out from 1800 till 1900? It's a stupid, ridiculous, unworkable, unenforceable thing to even suggest.

My shifts are officially 2000 to 0600, so that's that bo laxed.

What about male policemen? Or firemen? Sorry, persons

One of Ton Ee B Liar's nominations I presume

By all accounts it’s a male policeman that’s allegedly ‘done the crime’

Best start banning them next I suppose.

Part of me wonders what the world will be like in 100 years, the rest of me is just glad I won’t be here for it.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 20:51:37 »

No ethnic minority, anywhere in the world, is going to end up having equal rights with the indigenous population. Fact.
In law, yes. In practice, no.

But a fourth generation black person who’s family has contributed as much to the crown as a 4th generation white immigrant should be equal in law and in practice. They are as indigenous as anyone else in the country at that point.

That they aren’t is purely based on skin colour, which is where the problem lies. Comparing an indigenous population solely in skin colour is to ignore a lot of British heritage.

The example 4th generation black person shouldn’t be classified as a minority, or BAME. They’re just British, like you, or me, or anyone similar.

While that distinction exists, the problem exists (which I think is part of what DG alluded to?)

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 20:47:53 »

You can raise awareness without blindly joining bandwagons because it makes you look cool on instagram.

You can't choose to be black/yellow/irish, but you can choose how you want to deal with it.

For example, I don't choose to have white privilege, there is nothing I can do to alter the irrefutable fact that my parents were white. By the same definition, I have zero idea what it is like to have mixed race or immigrant parents. From a statistical minority standpoint, it is all too easy to play the victim card, but why would anyone voluntarily define themselves that way?

You enter the world with nothing but the skin you're born in. Everything that happens after that is up to you.

So to define yourself by something you have no control over is insane.

I think part of the point is that everything that happens after a black person is born isn’t up to them due to the white privilege that exists and limits them. To achieve the same as an equivalent white person, a black person will likely need to do more.
It’s not about playing the victim card, and it’s not about what the media portrays, it’s about black people doing what you suggest - trying to make it up to them and change things so it doesn’t matter if you’re born black or white, life offers the same hand (other factors being excluded).

That they haven’t got any control over some of it is part of the problem, and what they are trying to get now.

I agree that people jumping in the bandwagon, people twisting things, or riding the cost tails with their own agenda, doesn’t help, but that’s par for the course with any sort of public movement or outcry, but if you support change you can see through that easy enough.

People didn’t choose to be born black, and they are choosing how they want to deal with that - by trying to change the status quo. It’s on them to do so in an effective way, including distancing themselves from subversive protestors and bandwagoning celebs, but again, I don’t know why any of what has been discussed would make me stop watching f1 or thinking/liking a driver because they’re good.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 19:52:41 »

Hard to take that view though when people are doing monkey chants at you, and throwing bananas, because of the colour of your skin.

Remember, though, that was in Spain. Here in the UK we have, until now I suspect, had the best record of race relations anywhere in Europe. So, when BLM march through London and try to trash statues and monuments, they are setting race relations back by a generation at least, IMHO.

I would respect Hamilton far more if he kept his mouth shut about statues and instead pushed the fact that, here in the UK, he was able to rise to the top – a trailblazer if you will...

...and as commented elsewhere, the fact that he drives a Mercedes and advertises Hugo Boss, yet has not criticised them so far, creates an air of hypocrisy.

   

The fact it’s even a point, that he was able to rise to the top, or was a trailblazer, even in the UK is a problem in itself.
You qualify his achievements in part at least because of his skin colour, and you would not do this or think like this If he were white.

He should quietly try to help rather than draw attention to things, however much of a hamfisted job he does of it, is why people are making so much noise about it - because every other avenue has failed to work, and to go quietly in to the night would achieve what exactly.

Like it or not his actions have got a group of people discussing the topic, thinking about it’s issues, right here - he has achieved in part what he set out to do, which suggests it may have been the right approach, or at least A right approach.

As for people allowing themselves to be defined by their colour or choosing to be defined by it - I’m not sure Hamilton has, he’s just gone out and pursued his goals. He’s probably found it harder than some because of his colour and. Is he’s in a position to do so he is speaking out about it, but really, he should just go and do some charity work quietly?

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 19:43:27 »

As long as people allow themselves, or actively choose to be categorised by the colour of their skin, then they will always be underrepresented in society as a whole.

If a person choses to be defined by the colour of their skin, then that's on them. And nothing anyone says or does is likely to positively influence any misunderstanding around that.

Hmmmm...that's one point of view, I suppose. But, coming from someone who's never had to give the colour of their skin a second thought, it's maybe a one sided point of view. Even if a person decides not to be defined by the colour of their skin, their going to be pretty disappointed if everyone else defines them that way.

Hmmmm...that's one point of view, I suppose. But, coming from someone who's never had to give the colour of their skin a second thought, it's maybe a one sided point of view. Even if a person decides not to be defined by the colour of their skin, their going to be pretty disappointed if everyone else defines them that way.
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This is nail meeting head. Not always, but a lot of the time, a white life will not have ever given their colour of skin a second thought. The reasons behind this would be what is referred to as white privelege. A lot of black people will have given their colour of skin a second thought, and not because they chose to be defined by it, but because of something else in society that causes them to. The point of BLM is to bring about change so that they don’t have to, in the same way a white person wouldnt have to. It’s not make white lives mean less, it’s make black lives mean the same, and if a person thinks that BLM is going to make a white life mean less by either bringing the two closer, or some other way, that should only serve to illustrate the point, not set you against it.

What Hamilton is doing - really, it’s no different to a tv personality hearing about a friends 2 year old kid who is going to die if they don’t get a heart transplant and then using their platform to ask people to be tested for comparability, draw attention to related charities, etc. Would it stop me watching their program if I enjoyed it, no, of course not.

The overall issue is much too big to ever be solved within the next few years, but everything starts somewhere.

I’d also argue, if someone famous stood up and started spouting off about views or a cause you agreed with or supported or matched your views, it wouldn’t turn you off them, it’d probably make you like then more and so I’d say feeling uncomfortable or having the reaction you’ve (the op) had to Hamilton says something too.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 19:00:32 »

Used to like him as he was good driver and made it to the top through hard work.

Now he's joined the BLM (Marxist, anti-free market, anti-police) march and, allegedly, will 'take the knee' at the first GP in Austria.

No longer a supporter of his, I'm afraid.

Politics and sport do not mix.

Looks like it will be a summer without football and F1 for me.

I’m a little confused - did you like him as a person, or did you like him as a racer?

I’m not sure how recognising someone’s talent and liking them within their profession as a result of that talent is impacted by their support of BLM.

Are you saying you no longer like him as a racer?
That’s a bit like saying you no longer like an actor you previously did because you found out they voted for a particular party last election, or you won’t support your favourite footballer as they come out as gay.

The fact you’re prepared to stop your support of a racer over this kind of speaks to the problem.

Unless you meant you liked him as a person and now you don’t, in which case why bring his achievements as a racer in to it?

His support of BLM does nothing to change the criteria you state you previously judged him on, perhaps, it’s something else......

I "like" all sorts of sportstars, film stars or other celebrities for their professional ability. However, as soon as they use fame to drive their political views, I just get turned off. Granted, they may be still be good at what they do, like Hamilton, but once they start spouting off, I find it hard to support them.

It's just the way I am, I guess.

They’re using their position of power/influence/privilege to push their agenda. No different to all the figures historically that have done the same to push their agenda of the time. An agenda that at times has created some of the issues BLM is raising and pushing back against.

It’s human nature to do that, just as it’s human nature to feel threatened and resist and not like change that is perceived as a threat to their position, especially if it means a worsening of their position - it’s why a lot of us feel uneasy about the current situation without really understanding why or while feeling they aren’t saying black lives don’t matter.

If you like someone for a specific reason - in this case their driving - then just ignore the rest and continue to enjoy their talent.

If no one spoke out politically or used their position to achieve change, where would we all be?

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 18:55:38 »

BLM

Turns out that White Lives don't Matter.

Silly me, I though all lives mattered, but no, with the current hysteria, only BLM

I think that’s a key point - the current hysteria. I’d suggest that’s being generated in large parts by those completely neutral people with no ulterior interests - MSM.

If you speak to anyone reasonable on the blm side of the fence they’re quite clear that they’re not saying other lives don’t matter, rather, that they feel there is an assumed security, safety, privilege, value or general ‘mattering’ that other lives may have or have had historically, and they want black lives to matter the same way, or have the same.

I don’t think they’re saying this is only restricted to black lives - you can look at no blacks no Irish as an example of how those lives mattered less, but they have chosen to organise and say their lives matter just as much as everyone else’s.

A lot of people wouldn’t argue that, and in general life behave in a way that means the difference doesn’t exist for them, which makes it a bit of an Afront when they feel lumped in with idiots like the edl, and political correctness/positive discrimination hasn’t really helped, but I would hope that the same people can see there are issues still, and they should change.

Some of those issues affect more than just black people, such as police brutality in America (where it takes place) but blm isn’t saying that it doesn’t exist or shouldn’t be changed all round, it’s just them calling out what affects them and asking for change.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Hamilton

« on: 23 June 2020, 18:44:38 »

Used to like him as he was good driver and made it to the top through hard work.

Now he's joined the BLM (Marxist, anti-free market, anti-police) march and, allegedly, will 'take the knee' at the first GP in Austria.

No longer a supporter of his, I'm afraid.

Politics and sport do not mix.

Looks like it will be a summer without football and F1 for me.

I’m a little confused - did you like him as a person, or did you like him as a racer?

I’m not sure how recognising someone’s talent and liking them within their profession as a result of that talent is impacted by their support of BLM.

Are you saying you no longer like him as a racer?
That’s a bit like saying you no longer like an actor you previously did because you found out they voted for a particular party last election, or you won’t support your favourite footballer as they come out as gay.

The fact you’re prepared to stop your support of a racer over this kind of speaks to the problem.

Unless you meant you liked him as a person and now you don’t, in which case why bring his achievements as a racer in to it?

His support of BLM does nothing to change the criteria you state you previously judged him on, perhaps, it’s something else......

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General Discussion Area / Re: cummings

« on: 31 May 2020, 10:53:10 »

https://apple.news/AoZqo6zTeTpKFRMvaWwotgw

I’m not saying it’s been a witch hunt, but if you look at the facts vs what was reported, the MSM behaviour, and stuff like people openly making stories up, it’s hard to see how this wasn’t politically motivated.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boris' (non) speech

« on: 11 May 2020, 15:25:45 »

A bit more detail/context

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/884171/FINAL_6.6637_CO_HMG_C19_Recovery_FINAL_110520_v2_WEB__1_.pdf

There’s been consultation across business groups to work out what ‘Covid secure’ looks like and I would expect that a lot of employers with returning workers will have been working to implement changes to try and keep as much safety as possible, however, it’s a moving target so I would expect things to evolve over the next weeks.

Schools have several weeks to prepare and consider how they will meet the aim of a partial opening - I would expect if they turn around and say they can’t deliver it and be Covid secure, they won’t open and it will be rethought.

Once they publish what Covid secure looks like this week then I’d imagine it’ll be pretty clear (to some people) what the picture looks like and the different possibilities of how this will play out for the rest of the year.

As a side note, it’s much easier to deliver online lessons to university students than a load of 5 year olds, and I’d expect by the time schools start to return there will be more contact allowed socially with family and small groups of friends.
I’d also say that the government is making policies around who you can and can’t see in the knowledge people will be liberal with how they follow it. I don’t expect there to be strong enforcement except for blatant flouting, and I would expect nothing more from the government - this way they have a defence if it blows up again - we told you just one person per household, but you didn’t listen, now look....
Common sense and assumption of personal risk and responsibility should still be a thing the public practices.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boris' (non) speech

« on: 11 May 2020, 09:35:48 »

The media got everyone’s hopes up last week with talk of creating social bubbles of 10 people. Opposition parties have pushed, bordered in demanded, an exit strategy, and in general, a lot of people seem to expect/want a detailed and committed plan with an end date. That’s understandable, it’s how the human brain has been conditioned to work, but the level of complete failure to accept how impossible this is to do, without breaking any such plan down the line, is beyond me.

What point is there giving concrete dates and making detailed plans when it could all change as we ease restrictions and see a change to the current situation of infections and deaths? At that point everyone would quickly jump to condemn the planning and say it was all wrong.

I am sure that there will be many eyes on Germany at the moment and that will be guiding decisions, but realistically, all that can be done is have rough plans or target dates, and if all is going well, take the small steps then, if not, push it back a little.

This is essentially what last nights speech detailed, and was not that confusing. There was no order to put yourself at risk to go back to work, rather, if you can, and it’s safe, do. If not, don’t.

Plans for schools returning and everything else will have detail added in coming weeks, as more is known and the situation develops, but why people are up in arms about something that hasn’t even happened, or even been said is going to happen, is beyond me. “May” and “if” does not mean definitely will.

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General Discussion Area / Re: On your bike.

« on: 09 May 2020, 22:04:01 »

From what I understood they are targeting specific journeys outside of London commutes that are less than 3 miles. This is a fair chunk of journeys.

It may not apply to you, but if it takes a proportion of the population in to account, along with getting people fitter (obesity a big factor in Covid deaths) and reduces pollution (which I am throwing in for the greenies), where’s the harm?

It’s not mandatory!

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General Discussion Area / Re: Usb wi fi adaptor for PC.

« on: 09 May 2020, 21:56:45 »

One of these -
 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01NBMJGA9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NCXTEbN809WMC
Will do you.

Also, noisy fan could possibly be sorted easily enough.

Having a useable mesh Wi-Fi I haven’t used power line adapters - do they provide a cat5 connection on each adapter or just extend Wi-Fi? If the latter an adapter will still be needed.

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General Discussion Area / Re: How hard can it be?

« on: 23 November 2019, 19:23:54 »

https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs.html?tv_screen_size_breaks=1377

Plenty here